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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.04 14:04:00 -
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Is it possible to either boost the other ew-drones or simply nerf ecm-drones?
Compare the time it takes to train ecm-drones and use the same amount of time to train combat drones and youll notice how overpowered these ecm drones are.
Especially in low-sec around gates/stations and in empire wars (concord risk) you cant even use a viable counter like smartbombs against these, therefor a huge overuse of these overpowered ecm-drones are to be seen.
CCP, can we please fix the balance of the ecm-drones?
Also, I heard youre doing close combat balancing between deimos and zealot and zealot is winning? Stick some ecm-drones in deimos bay and youll see that either deimos is fine or ecm-drones are overpowered. Take a pick. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation |
Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.02.04 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Is it possible to either boost the other ew-drones or simply nerf ecm-drones?
Compare the time it takes to train ecm-drones and use the same amount of time to train combat drones and youll notice how overpowered these ecm drones are.
Especially in low-sec around gates/stations and in empire wars (concord risk) you cant even use a viable counter like smartbombs against these, therefor a huge overuse of these overpowered ecm-drones are to be seen.
CCP, can we please fix the balance of the ecm-drones?
Also, I heard youre doing close combat balancing between deimos and zealot and zealot is winning? Stick some ecm-drones in deimos bay and youll see that either deimos is fine or ecm-drones are overpowered. Take a pick.
ECM drones only target one person at a time, either smartbomb them, or have a friend knock them off of you? _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.04 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Is it possible to either boost the other ew-drones or simply nerf ecm-drones?
Compare the time it takes to train ecm-drones and use the same amount of time to train combat drones and youll notice how overpowered these ecm drones are.
Especially in low-sec around gates/stations and in empire wars (concord risk) you cant even use a viable counter like smartbombs against these, therefor a huge overuse of these overpowered ecm-drones are to be seen.
CCP, can we please fix the balance of the ecm-drones?
Also, I heard youre doing close combat balancing between deimos and zealot and zealot is winning? Stick some ecm-drones in deimos bay and youll see that either deimos is fine or ecm-drones are overpowered. Take a pick.
ECM drones only target one person at a time, either smartbomb them, or have a friend knock them off of you?
Did you read the OP? I bolded the part you may have missed.
Lyria has a point. The other EW drones are pointless when you can use ECM drones. They barely require any training time. You can't smartbomb them in hisec without getting concorded. Friend launchers are nice for every situation so "bring some friends" isn't a very constructive argument here.
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Y3R M4W
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Posted - 2008.02.04 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Y3R M4W on 04/02/2008 16:18:08 As much as I hate to whine, I feel light ECM drones are far too effective for the time it takes to train, and the dronebay/bandwidth they use.
Conversly, things like web drones, there only exists one size and they stack and generally suck due to being slower than anything with a MWD etc, and they take longer to train.
TD/TP/SD drones are all but never used, not sure how good they are though, neut drones are more common, but again I can't comment much on them.
In short: yes, ECM drones need a good 'balancing' (ie*****-slap with the nerf-phallus).
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Eve University
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Posted - 2008.02.04 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Y3R M4W TD/TP/SD drones are all but never used, not sure how good they are though, neut drones are more common, but again I can't comment much on them.
In short: yes, ECM drones need a good 'balancing' (ie*****-slap with the nerf-phallus).
Issue with the other EWAR drones is not only are they weak, especially in the case of the TD/SD drones they draw the stacking nerf, reducing the effects of any REAL ewar being done. They simply do not work effectively enough to counteract the DPS loss. I'm guessing you all want ECM drones the same way.
Speaking of which, am I the only pilot in EvE not to have success with the things? At this point, the only thing my skill points in EWAR Drone Interfacing do is increase my control range ...
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc. Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.04 16:50:00 -
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Quote: At this point, the only thing my skill points in EWAR Drone Interfacing do is increase my control range ...
That's all that everyone's SP in EWAR Drone Interfacing do.
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Y3R M4W
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Posted - 2008.02.04 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Y3R M4W on 04/02/2008 16:54:12
Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin
Originally by: Y3R M4W TD/TP/SD drones are all but never used, not sure how good they are though, neut drones are more common, but again I can't comment much on them.
In short: yes, ECM drones need a good 'balancing' (ie*****-slap with the nerf-phallus).
Issue with the other EWAR drones is not only are they weak, especially in the case of the TD/SD drones they draw the stacking nerf, reducing the effects of any REAL ewar being done. They simply do not work effectively enough to counteract the DPS loss. I'm guessing you all want ECM drones the same way.
Speaking of which, am I the only pilot in EvE not to have success with the things? At this point, the only thing my skill points in EWAR Drone Interfacing do is increase my control range ...
That's all the skill does, but at base they (light ECM drones) have something like 25-40% (sorry for vagueness) chance of jamming a cruiser, BC or HAC. Command ships and above are a bit more tricky, especially with any sort of ECCM, but the med ones will do pretty well against commands, and heavy's will **** off a BS pilot pretty well.
The problem is they can be used on anything with a drone bay, often to greater effect than combat drones, as they effectively boost your tank by giving you time when you're not being hit (either by having you jammed or forcing your opponent to attack the drones), which I feel should come at some sort of cost.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.04 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin I'm guessing you all want ECM drones the same way.
Yes I want the inline with the power of damage drones. ECM drones give you extra tank, extra warp core stab and protection from other ew and its *****ble on every ship. Yes nerf them to the ground because we already have mwd and cap boosters as must-fit-modules, we dont need a must-fit-drone. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation |
Angelic Eviaran
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:29:00 -
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/signed
nerf these no-skill drones please.
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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:45:00 -
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No matter if you find their performance balanced or not, their SP cost to reach max efficiency is far FAR too low.
300k for ECM drones vs 2 mil for t2 (small and medium) drones? Yes, right.
The non-performance of the non-ecm EW drones is pretty balanced with their low SP cost to aquire, the ECM drones would still be cosidered a worthwhile SP investement if it would take 3 mil SP.
Needed: a higher SP cost for making ECM drones effective. Suggestion: reduce ECM drone strength to 40% of current, give them the same 20%/lvl as dps drones for drone interfacing and 5%/lvl for EW drone interfacing.
Then there is the performance disaprity between ECM and other EW/utility drones.
Web drones are marginally useful, as are energy neut drones. Damp, TD, TP drones are utterly pointless. ECM drones are very powerful.
Reducing ECM drone power by 25% wouldn't overnerf them IMO. The problem is what to do with the useless EW drones. YOu basically would have to remove the stacking penality for them to make them viable, but such a selective stacking penality removal might very well not be possible without significant game engine modifications.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.04 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Reducing ECM drone power by 25% wouldn't overnerf them IMO.
CCP, do this. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation |
Tes Quin
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:01:00 -
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why do i feel like i just read a i-got-pwnd-by-XXX-ccp-nerf-it-i-cant-deal-with-it-myself thread? -- Artillery is the God of War |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tes Quin why do i feel like i just read a i-got-pwnd-by-XXX-ccp-nerf-it-i-cant-deal-with-it-myself thread?
Afraid that youll lose your poor no skill drones so you have troll this thread? You know they are not balanced but you still defend them to the grave. Go back to your cave filthy gallente noob. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation |
Tes Quin
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Tes Quin on 04/02/2008 22:17:55
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Afraid that youll lose your poor no skill drones so you have troll this thread? You know they are not balanced but you still defend them to the grave. Go back to your cave filthy gallente noob.
'cant, my main is in there. stuck, because he drank too much quafe to get over someone taking away his teddy along with an iteron1 load of veld. i think that someone was flying a h-dictor.
btt: balance is strongly in the eye of the beholder. think about "paper scissor stone" for a moment. is one of these overpowered? would you think the same if you were "stone"? -- Artillery is the God of War |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tes Quin Edited by: Tes Quin on 04/02/2008 22:17:55
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Afraid that youll lose your poor no skill drones so you have troll this thread? You know they are not balanced but you still defend them to the grave. Go back to your cave filthy gallente noob.
'cant, my main is in there. stuck, because he drank too much quafe to get over someone taking away his teddy along with an iteron1 load of veld. i think that someone was flying a h-dictor.
btt: balance is strongly in the eye of the beholder. think about "paper scissor stone" for a moment. is one of these overpowered? would you think the same if you were "stone"?
Youre trying to derail this. Paper-scissor-stone isnt really eve. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation |
Tes Quin
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Posted - 2008.02.04 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Youre trying to derail this. Paper-scissor-stone isnt really eve.
i am trying to give my opinion on this thread. i happen to not exactly share all your points, yes. i understand paper-scissors-stone as an ideally ballanced game, something all mmo makers try to create. i also tried to hint that ballancing is a hard thing to do. let me point you to the right direction:
by what standard does a module/ship deffine as overpowered? do others agree with it? what if YOU are on the other end of the stick? do more ppl disagree than agree? should it be changed anyway?
try to aswer the above questions thouroghly before reading further so you can answer the following ones with the right perception:
if ecm drones are overpowered, what about ecm-ships? is giving up half (or even ALL) your dps a fair(or should i say ballanced) tradeoff? how many ecm drones should equal 1 multispec iyho? what about drones needing replacement once destroyed? should it be possible for someone to win 1v2? which side is the one using the drones, left or right?
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tes Quin
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Youre trying to derail this. Paper-scissor-stone isnt really eve.
i am trying to give my opinion on this thread. i happen to not exactly share all your points, yes. i understand paper-scissors-stone as an ideally ballanced game, something all mmo makers try to create. i also tried to hint that ballancing is a hard thing to do. let me point you to the right direction:
by what standard does a module/ship deffine as overpowered? do others agree with it? what if YOU are on the other end of the stick? do more ppl disagree than agree? should it be changed anyway?
try to aswer the above questions thouroghly before reading further so you can answer the following ones with the right perception:
if ecm drones are overpowered, what about ecm-ships? is giving up half (or even ALL) your dps a fair(or should i say ballanced) tradeoff? how many ecm drones should equal 1 multispec iyho? what about drones needing replacement once destroyed? should it be possible for someone to win 1v2? which side is the one using the drones, left or right?
Eve isnt like other mmo's. There are always counters but its never a circle.
Something is overpowered when there is no valid defense against it compared to the other options. SBs dont work near gates/stations and are dangerous to use in empire wars.
The people not agreeing with it are people that are abusing these. The funny thing is these are the same people that see themselves as "out of the box-thinkers" because they think they come up with something nifty to use but they are just using something that is broken.
I could be on the other end of the stick, but I find it ecm boring; specially when its not balanced like ecm-drones.
I think its a tie, half agree half dont. Who cares?
It should obviously be changed.
Dont compare ecm-drones with ecm-ships. Ecm ships cant do dps but a deimos with 5xmed ecm-drones is stupidly overpowered in small engagements, as are thorax and similar ships.
light ecm should only be able to jam frigs, medium only cruiser and down and heavy for BS and down.
drones need replacement? How you gonna destroy something if you are jammed and cant use smartbombs viably? you cant, so no problem there.
what the hell does 1vs2 have to do with anything? -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation |
Praxis1452
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:28:00 -
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How about supplying some numbers. More specifically how many ECM drones should cause a BS-BC-Cr-Fr- to be jammed at what % of the time. You can say BS at 20 Sensor strength and so on. Compare it to it's current state and then argue for a specific change.
I don't care about your "25% might be ok". Provide something in detail. If you don't want to do the legwork, then why should people listen to your idea?
"Because CCP should do it?". Like trusting ccp with things has always worked. While this is the game development forum, your trying to ask for the support of the game community. They will listen more if your provide facts, not random numbers.
I think CCP is a bit too much like yourself. They don't balance for balance. They also like to see even numbers. I mean for example the new Apoc. Some people have expressed concerns that it is overpowered. I don't think I'll ever see 6.5% ship bonus' or 5.5% etc. Just something I've noticed. <- Not going to argue with you about the apoc. In all honesty it is not something I must deal with everyday so it's not that important to me anyway as well as the fact that I don't fly amarr. Just saying that perhaps this may be a case where taking off a quarter of a percentage may be better.
1 Question that will define how you search for the topic I have addressed above. How much % of dps should a ship lose being jammed? Then find that percentage vs average Ship class strenght v ECM drone.
Basically: "25%" means nothing. Forum posters generally won't look for the answer for you. Neither will I. ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it.ö
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Azuma Hijikata
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: Azuma Hijikata on 04/02/2008 23:41:28
Originally by: Aramendel
Needed: a higher SP cost for making ECM drones effective. Suggestion: reduce ECM drone strength to 40% of current, give them the same 20%/lvl as dps drones for drone interfacing and 5%/lvl for EW drone interfacing.
Love this idea as a 4.5 million SP dronefag. On the other hand, giving ECM drones a 60% increase over their current jamming strength at DI5 (as I have) would be generating even more whines and moans than they do now. The tears are delicious, but there's only so much you can drink.
Originally by: Aramendel
Web drones are marginally useful, as are energy neut drones. Damp, TD, TP drones are utterly pointless. ECM drones are very powerful.
Reducing ECM drone power by 25% wouldn't overnerf them IMO. The problem is what to do with the useless EW drones. YOu basically would have to remove the stacking penality for them to make them viable, but such a selective stacking penality removal might very well not be possible without significant game engine modifications.
I see your line of thought follows my own here. I don't have any idea how to make the other ewar drones better without making them terribly broken, though.
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Tes Quin
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:18:00 -
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i'll leave out the nice quotes
[Eve isnt like other mmo's.]
that is perception. but you do want a ballanced game, dont you.
[Something is overpowered when there is no valid defense against it compared to the other options. SBs dont work near gates/stations and are dangerous to use in empire wars.]
are other options invalid becuse someone does not WANT to use them? bring friends, use your own drones, fit small weapons to assist, take care using SB, fit eccm. all possible and i didnt even try hard to find them.
[The people not agreeing with it are people that are abusing these. The funny thing is these are the same people that see themselves as "out of the box-thinkers" because they think they come up with something nifty to use but they are just using something that is broken.]
wrong agin. i stopped using ecm drones 1 year ago due to ineffectiveness. well, you just put me in a box. i dont cosider myself ingenious, how do i think myself out of it?
[I could be on the other end of the stick, but I find it ecm boring; specially when its not balanced like ecm-drones.]
[I think its a tie, half agree half dont. Who cares? It should obviously be changed.]
i'd say that's ballanced.
[Dont compare ecm-drones with ecm-ships. Ecm ships cant do dps but a deimos with 5xmed ecm-drones is stupidly overpowered in small engagements, as are thorax and similar ships.]
those still have to close range, and let me ashure you, a thorax with combat drones can easyly doubble the dps.
[light ecm should only be able to jam frigs, medium only cruiser and down and heavy for BS and down]
poor ppl flying t1 frigs trying to jam stuff than. what does light ecm mean exactly in terms of strength? stacking nerf?
[drones need replacement? How you gonna destroy something if you are jammed and cant use smartbombs viably? you cant, so no problem there.]
your own drones autoagress the closest enemy, like fofs do. and how does being jamed prevent you from smartboming?
[what the hell does 1vs2 have to do with anything?]
strength in numbers -- Artillery is the God of War |
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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Azuma Hijikata Edited by: Azuma Hijikata on 04/02/2008 23:41:28
Originally by: Aramendel
Needed: a higher SP cost for making ECM drones effective. Suggestion: reduce ECM drone strength to 40% of current, give them the same 20%/lvl as dps drones for drone interfacing and 5%/lvl for EW drone interfacing.
Love this idea as a 4.5 million SP dronefag. On the other hand, giving ECM drones a 60% increase over their current jamming strength at DI5 (as I have) would be generating even more whines and moans than they do now. The tears are delicious, but there's only so much you can drink.
Percentual calculations do not add up, they multiply ;)
Current light ECM drone strength: 1 Reduction to 40%: 1 * 0.4 -> 0.4 Drone interfacing 5, 20% strength increase/lvl: 0.4 * (1 + 0.2 * 5) -> 0.8 EW DI 5, 5%/lvl: 0.8 * (1 + 0.5 * 5) -> 1
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Azuma Hijikata
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Percentual calculations do not add up, they multiply ;)
Current light ECM drone strength: 1 Reduction to 40%: 1 * 0.4 -> 0.4 Drone interfacing 5, 20% strength increase/lvl: 0.4 * (1 + 0.2 * 5) -> 0.8 EW DI 5, 5%/lvl: 0.8 * (1 + 0.5 * 5) -> 1
I misread what you wrote as reducing strength by 40%, not reducing to 40%. At 60% you get a 20% ECM strength bonus over current with DI5 alone, and EWDO5 just compounds the problem--again, as a diehard dronefag I don't mind this so much, but maybe it could be built into the Eos instead of the ganglink bonus. Or maybe the iwar ganglink should affect ewar drones?
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2008.02.05 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Azuma Hijikata Edited by: Azuma Hijikata on 04/02/2008 23:41:28
Originally by: Aramendel
Needed: a higher SP cost for making ECM drones effective. Suggestion: reduce ECM drone strength to 40% of current, give them the same 20%/lvl as dps drones for drone interfacing and 5%/lvl for EW drone interfacing.
Love this idea as a 4.5 million SP dronefag. On the other hand, giving ECM drones a 60% increase over their current jamming strength at DI5 (as I have) would be generating even more whines and moans than they do now. The tears are delicious, but there's only so much you can drink.
Pretty much sums up my thoughts on that idea. 5.4 million SP dronewh*** here. I would have 96% of the current strength already (EW Drones V is not worth 20 days for a measly 3km more range). Then give me T2 versions that require Heavies V, DI V and EW Drones V . -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth |
Zana Kito
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Posted - 2008.02.05 06:19:00 -
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Lyria i have to disagree. ECM drones are balanced in that 5 drones has the effect of 1 midslot ecm.
The fact is the other EW drones are utter crap due to stacked nerf on the stats they affect. 5 webber drones should be able to slow things down like a regular web for instance, but it doesn't.
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Gamesguy
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.05 07:26:00 -
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Edited by: Gamesguy on 05/02/2008 07:27:14
Originally by: Praxis1452 How about supplying some numbers. More specifically how many ECM drones should cause a BS-BC-Cr-Fr- to be jammed at what % of the time. You can say BS at 20 Sensor strength and so on. Compare it to it's current state and then argue for a specific change.
5 Medium ECM drones have a 33% chance to jam a megathron(sensor str 20) every 20 seconds. It also has a 41% chance to jam a deimos(sensor str 15) every 20 second cycle.
5 light ECM drones have a 23% chance to jam a mega, and 30% chance to jam a deimos.
Against caldari this percentage is slightly lower, against amarr and minmatr this percentage is significantly higher(especially against minnie).
As it stands, light and medium ECM drones are the most efficient use of drone space in the game. Damage drones are far outclassed by them.
Heavy ECM drones, ironically, are pretty balanced. Heavy ecm drones only offer a 33% boost in jamming str vs mediums, in comparison to damage drones, where heavies do twice the dps of mediums. Its the lights and the mediums that are really powerful, and overpowered compared to other drones.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.05 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy Edited by: Gamesguy on 05/02/2008 07:27:14
Originally by: Praxis1452 How about supplying some numbers. More specifically how many ECM drones should cause a BS-BC-Cr-Fr- to be jammed at what % of the time. You can say BS at 20 Sensor strength and so on. Compare it to it's current state and then argue for a specific change.
5 Medium ECM drones have a 33% chance to jam a megathron(sensor str 20) every 20 seconds. It also has a 41% chance to jam a deimos(sensor str 15) every 20 second cycle.
5 light ECM drones have a 23% chance to jam a mega, and 30% chance to jam a deimos.
Against caldari this percentage is slightly lower, against amarr and minmatr this percentage is significantly higher(especially against minnie).
As it stands, light and medium ECM drones are the most efficient use of drone space in the game. Damage drones are far outclassed by them.
Heavy ECM drones, ironically, are pretty balanced. Heavy ecm drones only offer a 33% boost in jamming str vs mediums, in comparison to damage drones, where heavies do twice the dps of mediums. Its the lights and the mediums that are really powerful, and overpowered compared to other drones.
I think this says it all. Not overpowered my azz. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation |
Dristra
Amarr Shadows of the Dead The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.05 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tes Quin i'll leave out the nice quotes
[Eve isnt like other mmo's.]
that is perception. but you do want a ballanced game, dont you.
[Something is overpowered when there is no valid defense against it compared to the other options. SBs dont work near gates/stations and are dangerous to use in empire wars.]
are other options invalid becuse someone does not WANT to use them? bring friends, use your own drones, fit small weapons to assist, take care using SB, fit eccm. all possible and i didnt even try hard to find them.
[The people not agreeing with it are people that are abusing these. The funny thing is these are the same people that see themselves as "out of the box-thinkers" because they think they come up with something nifty to use but they are just using something that is broken.]
wrong agin. i stopped using ecm drones 1 year ago due to ineffectiveness. well, you just put me in a box. i dont cosider myself ingenious, how do i think myself out of it?
[I could be on the other end of the stick, but I find it ecm boring; specially when its not balanced like ecm-drones.]
[I think its a tie, half agree half dont. Who cares? It should obviously be changed.]
i'd say that's ballanced.
[Dont compare ecm-drones with ecm-ships. Ecm ships cant do dps but a deimos with 5xmed ecm-drones is stupidly overpowered in small engagements, as are thorax and similar ships.]
those still have to close range, and let me ashure you, a thorax with combat drones can easyly doubble the dps.
[light ecm should only be able to jam frigs, medium only cruiser and down and heavy for BS and down]
poor ppl flying t1 frigs trying to jam stuff than. what does light ecm mean exactly in terms of strength? stacking nerf?
[drones need replacement? How you gonna destroy something if you are jammed and cant use smartbombs viably? you cant, so no problem there.]
your own drones autoagress the closest enemy, like fofs do. and how does being jamed prevent you from smartboming?
[what the hell does 1vs2 have to do with anything?]
strength in numbers
Go away, they are clearly more powerful than their other ew-drone companions.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.05 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dristra
Go away, they are clearly more powerful than their other ew-drone companions.
Lets just ignore him, hes just trolling the thread to get it locked. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation |
Eleana Tomelac
Gallente Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.02.05 14:39:00 -
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The smartbombs are not too dangerous in lowsec. What the smartbomb hits is only the ships, drones and maybe sentry guns.
But -Sentry guns are far! They are not much of an issue -Unless you are int he station range restriction, you can activate a smartbomb, it doesn't damage the stargates or containers. (tested on multiplicity)
So -Innocent passerby are an issue (if you hit them, sentry may shoot at you). -high sec is an issue because of numerous NPCs and neutral playsers moving everywhere, smartbombs can only be used with extreme care and fairplay ennemies that won't ram you while smartbombing with an alt to get concord to shoot at you.
Well, the drones are quite hard to target so shooting them one by one in hi-sec would need more a friend in AF to shoot them than a smartbomb to save your life... -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast !
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Originally by: Eleana Tomelac The smartbombs are not too dangerous in lowsec. What the smartbomb hits is only the ships, drones and maybe sentry guns.
But -Sentry guns are far! They are not much of an issue -Unless you are int he station range restriction, you can activate a smartbomb, it doesn't damage the stargates or containers. (tested on multiplicity)
So -Innocent passerby are an issue (if you hit them, sentry may shoot at you). -high sec is an issue because of numerous NPCs and neutral playsers moving everywhere, smartbombs can only be used with extreme care and fairplay ennemies that won't ram you while smartbombing with an alt to get concord to shoot at you.
Well, the drones are quite hard to target so shooting them one by one in hi-sec would need more a friend in AF to shoot them than a smartbomb to save your life...
I dont quite understand your point. First you says SBs are not too dangerous and then you list alot of problems with it? Bring an AF friend is also a very silly argument, I could just bring a friend in a battleship and own them instead? The lesson is what? Bring more and you win? Duh. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation |
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