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ShopperDuck ChopperRock
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Posted - 2008.02.05 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: ShopperDuck ChopperRock on 05/02/2008 21:29:32
I was wondering which ship is the best for a solotrip to 0.0.
I need something to be able to tank a trible bs-spawn, and yet fast/agile enough to travel tru 0.0 without the big risk of getting ganked. (all ships can be caught, i know)
Is it a recon or hac or ?
what is the best solo-trip-to-0.0-ship?
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.02.05 21:30:00 -
[2]
Velator, hands down.
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Zephyr Rengate
Racketeers
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Posted - 2008.02.05 21:37:00 -
[3]
Deimos
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ShopperDuck ChopperRock
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Posted - 2008.02.05 21:40:00 -
[4]
but why?
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Ricky1989
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.05 21:48:00 -
[5]
Chimera.
Fighters ftw.
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Ursula LeGuinn
Versus Gloria Omnis
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Posted - 2008.02.05 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn on 05/02/2008 21:51:53
 Originally by: ShopperDuck ChopperRock
but why?
You need a ship that can dish out good DPS, tank damage from two or three battleships and their escorts (faction-specific tanking usually preferred), and that can align for warp fairly quickly (ideally).
Any T1 Battlecruiser or better can be fitted to do this relatively well, and probably a good number of T2 cruisers. I assume the Deimos was suggested because drones + guns = passable DPS, and Deimos has a solid tank. Plus, it's fast and aligns fast compared to bigger ships.
Open up EFT and try a bunch of stuff, do some ship setups research, find some ratting guides (perhaps someone has the link to that).
EDIT: Link to Ratting Guide
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Zephyr Rengate
Racketeers
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Posted - 2008.02.05 21:52:00 -
[7]
Originally by: ShopperDuck ChopperRock
Edited by: ShopperDuck ChopperRock on 05/02/2008 21:29:32
I was wondering which ship is the best for a solotrip to 0.0.
I need something to be able to tank a trible bs-spawn, and yet fast/agile enough to travel tru 0.0 without the big risk of getting ganked. (all ships can be caught, i know)
Is it a recon or hac or ?
what is the best solo-trip-to-0.0-ship?
Deimos can do all that + dish out a hell of a lot of damage, especialy against guritstas and serpentis rats.
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Laila Eldgorn
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Posted - 2008.02.05 21:55:00 -
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First explore a bit with HAC or battlecruiser (which can be insured pretty well). When you get known with 0.0 stuff, get alt or friend scouting your battleship in some nice place where you can either cloak in safespot or dock in NPC station like in Delve 0.0 (good rats there) or Stain 0.0 (best rats there) or Curse (ok rats there) etc. Sometimes you can also buy a battleship somewhere. Also command ships (absolution, damnation, nighthawk, astarte) are pretty cool for ratting if you can afford one.
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Paddlefoot Aeon
Neogen Industries
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.05 22:13:00 -
[9]
I love my ratting Dominix... simply because it is the drone machine.
I am able to perma-run my tank while my fighters take care of the rats... rats of any size, might I add.
Highs:
2x NOS
1x 425mm Rail (for getting aggro)
Drone Link Augmentor
Tractor and salvager
Meds:
100mn AB
Target Painter (helps drone damage.... really!)
2x Cap Rechargers
Drone Navigation Computer (speed boost for drones)
Lows:
Large Armor Rep
Medium Armor Rep
"xxx" Armor Hardner (active)
"yyy" Armor Hardner (active)
Damage Control
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Capacitor Power Relay
You can fit rigs for armor rep or salvage help if you want...
I perma run my medium... only occasionally pulsing the large. With the Dominix's drone bonus, you only need to carry 100 rounds for the occasional railgun shot.
Remember, keep a repper drone or 2 to rep any drones that may take damage.
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.02.05 22:17:00 -
[10]
Faction-fit Caldari Navy Raven.
Please let me know when and where you'll be ratting, and me and my friends will be more than happy to *cough* help.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.02.05 22:18:00 -
[11]
For Angels, I found the Sac to be perfect. Shieldtanked with a Domination med booster and just one T2 Invul (other meds were MWD and I forgot what), it could tank triple Seras (and of course any lesser spawns) and dish out 500+ dps, while also being pretty fast in aligning (even had a spare low for an istab I think) and having a huge cargohold for ammo and the occasional good loot item.
There is no 'n' in turret
There is no 'r' in faction
There is no 'a' in Scorpion
There is no 'e' in Caldari
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.05 22:27:00 -
[12]
Dominix or Raven is enough, unless you want to be nber and use a MS.
2isk
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.02.05 22:30:00 -
[13]
DRAKE DRAKE DRAKE DRAKE DRAKE DRAKE
Low cost to buy and fit compared to battleships. Good DPS especially with some BCU IIs. Excellent tank. Battleships won't hit you for full damage and you can outpace the battleships you do encounter, and hit them from beyond their optimal range. Even though Caldari ships handle worse than anyone else's, the Drake is still more maneuverable than a battleship.
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Glassback
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.05 22:55:00 -
[14]
Ishtar.
G.
BH Kharnubis > Need more people against the MC meanies |
ExcellciuM
Exair Industries
United Connection's
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Posted - 2008.02.05 22:57:00 -
[15]
I hear soloing rats in a titan is good practice these days. Might take you some time to get through the belts in some systems though.
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Andtha Splits
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Posted - 2008.02.05 23:29:00 -
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Assault Frigs are fine except when you consider the cargo size compared to ammo necessary. If you're based out of a npc station or a couple of jumps from empire that's hardly an issue. Enyo for the win. |
RattleHed
Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2008.02.05 23:34:00 -
[17]
Nighthawk+mwd+2*rigs for dps+1salvage
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Reven Darklight
256 FREELANCERS
Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.02.05 23:43:00 -
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i've always liked the drake, with decent BC skills the drake has an awesome tank.
I've got mine at 68% resists minimum and 17k of shields and with T2 hvy missile launchers its only ever a matter of time. pack a 5 pack of light drones to take care of the frigs.
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Cadiz
Caldari
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.02.05 23:45:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Glassback
Ishtar.
G.
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Director, No Quarter
"There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence." |
codex09
Minmatar
Entropy Systems Mining Co.
The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.05 23:57:00 -
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Hmmm well from what I have seen the Raven seems to be one of the most popular ships for ratting in, in both empire space and in 0.0.
I am a minmatar pilot so am not exactly sure why a lot of people like the Raven but at a guess it is because it is able to pack decent DPS, it has reasonable sized drone bay and can armor tank reasonably well with the right skills.
I don't fly one but have heard that they aren't too bad with manuvering and can allign reasonably fast enough.
they aren't that expensive unless you want to go the way of a CNR and have a fair sized cargo hold (although these mods that now take up 100 units of space are a bit of a pain in the rear )
As for BC's I have heard that the Drake is a good ship as it can carry quite a few missile launchers and can also armor tank reasonably well. Really it is a scaled down version of a Raven only it can move much quicker and can be much more deadly when used by a pilot that has good skills. The Drake would have to be close to the best BC available out of all the BC's and I would dare to guess that it would be one of if not the best DPS machine available.
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Reven Darklight
256 FREELANCERS
Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.02.06 00:00:00 -
[21]
Originally by: codex09
armor tank reasonably well.
*cough* shield tank *cough*
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codex09
Minmatar
Entropy Systems Mining Co.
The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.06 00:15:00 -
[22]
Hmmm I thought Caldari ship were armor tankers, anyway if it is shield it's shield.
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The Slayer
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.06 00:16:00 -
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Domi, hands down.
Highs :
2 x Heavy Diminishing Nos (They don't get much cap but every little helps)
2 x Tractor Beams
2 x Salvagers (Why have guns on a drone boat)
Meds :
1 x Quad Lif Booster Rockets (Mwd to get in range)
4 x Cap Recharger II
Lows :
2 x Large Armor Rep II
2 x Energized Adaptive II
1 x Damage Control II
1 x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plates
Can't perma run the tank but who needs to. Rats never get me past about 25% armor even if I leave the armor reps off. Use T2 heavy drones always.
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Paddlefoot Aeon
Neogen Industries
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.06 00:58:00 -
[24]
Originally by: The Slayer
Domi, hands down.
Highs :
2 x Heavy Diminishing Nos (They don't get much cap but every little helps)
2 x Tractor Beams
2 x Salvagers (Why have guns on a drone boat)
Meds :
1 x Quad Lif Booster Rockets (Mwd to get in range)
4 x Cap Recharger II
Lows :
2 x Large Armor Rep II
2 x Energized Adaptive II
1 x Damage Control II
1 x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plates
Can't perma run the tank but who needs to. Rats never get me past about 25% armor even if I leave the armor reps off. Use T2 heavy drones always.
Point 1.... Use the gun to grab aggro, so you don't have to wait ages for the entire spawn to aggro you instead of popping your drones. If you REALLY don't want to fit a gun, fit a medium armor repper to heal any drone armor damage.
Point 2... rats only deal 2 damage types... ditch the 1 EAMN II and the plate in favour of 2 type-specific hardeners (Guristas shoot kin and therm, Blood Raiders shoot EM and Therm, etc).
Point 3... a plate is not like a shield extender. If you cannot be stable with 7k armor... you won't be stable with 10k armor.
Point 4... The setup I posted above works for regular ratting, cosmic anomolies, complexes and solo level 4 missions. It may not be the prototypical Domi setup... but I've been flying that same setup for over 2 years, and I've never lost a Domi to regular, complex or mission rats. Other Pilots who jump in and pop me when ratting, sure... but never to rats.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.02.06 01:05:00 -
[25]
Originally by: RattleHed
Nighthawk+mwd+2*rigs for dps+1salvage
Tech 2 ships only have 2 rig slots   
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Eve University
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Posted - 2008.02.06 01:10:00 -
[26]
Cheap ratting setup? Vexor/Thorax will get the job done ... just fit it well ;) AFs work too (Ishkur FTW - at least the old one) ...
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Eclip
SUBLIME L.L.C.
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Posted - 2008.02.06 02:43:00 -
[27]
its been my experience that usually any hac is faster to rat with then a BS of that race. Uusally speed getting to the ships/wreck looting salvaging etc is much faster. They have comparable tanks to the BS's when specific damage is tanked. They tend to use alot of ammo though which can be a pain if u dont have a station near by. Other then a hac a domi or rave would be the fastest i would say. Maybe a siege typhoon with MWD but i havent flown one in a while
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Robert0288
Caldari
g guild
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Posted - 2008.02.06 02:46:00 -
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deimos, ishtar, drake, raven, dommy, most AF's
deimos = DPS, Tank, room for salvager/tractorbeam/cloak, con = uses lots of ammo
ishtar = drones kick ass, highest for anything you want, you don't even need to be tanked (can use speed too), con = drones dieing in 0.0 = fail.
drake = BC sized, tank, dps, room for other stuff up high, con = not very maneuverable, somewhat ammo dependent.
raven = what else is there to say?
dommy = no ammo needed, lots of room for any type of setup (you can rat in pvp setup), don't lose your drones.
AF's= might have trouble with faction spawns and ammo usage.
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VeiledFlare
NEW EDEN CLEANING SERVICES INC.
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:21:00 -
[29]
Edited by: VeiledFlare on 06/02/2008 03:23:00
For solo trips from empire to 0.0, or while in 0.0 but traveling into potentially hostile territory, I use a Wolf or Harpy. The Wolf for Sansha, and Angels. Harpy for Serpenti and Guristas. Both can kill faction spawns easily. People who are able to fly HACs I know favour the Deimos, Ishtar and Vagabond.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:37:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon
I love my ratting Dominix... simply because it is the drone machine.
I am able to perma-run my tank while my fighters take care of the rats... rats of any size, might I add.
Highs:
2x NOS
1x 425mm Rail (for getting aggro)
Drone Link Augmentor
Tractor and salvager
Meds:
100mn AB
Target Painter (helps drone damage.... really!)
2x Cap Rechargers
Drone Navigation Computer (speed boost for drones)
You know, with a target painter you don't need to railgun to get aggro. I just have a target painter for that purpose and don't use any guns.
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Trojanman190
Yultani Advanced Research and Reproduction
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Posted - 2008.02.06 06:00:00 -
[31]
Originally by: VeiledFlare
Edited by: VeiledFlare on 06/02/2008 03:23:00
For solo trips from empire to 0.0, or while in 0.0 but traveling into potentially hostile territory, I use a Wolf or Harpy. The Wolf for Sansha, and Angels. Harpy for Serpenti and Guristas. Both can kill faction spawns easily. People who are able to fly HACs I know favour the Deimos, Ishtar and Vagabond.
Vagabond? Plows through more ammo than the deimos, will do less damage, and wont tank as well. If you use a vagabond for ratting its because you REALLY enjoy flying the ship, not because you want to make money fast.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.02.06 06:04:00 -
[32]
Vagabond with two LSE II's and a tracking disruptor can pretty much chain 1.8 mil Sansha and BR indefinitely. But yes, it blows through ammo really quick.
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Aprudena Gist
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.06 06:08:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Leandro Salazar
For Angels, I found the Sac to be perfect. Shieldtanked with a Domination med booster and just one T2 Invul (other meds were MWD and I forgot what), it could tank triple Seras (and of course any lesser spawns) and dish out 500+ dps, while also being pretty fast in aligning (even had a spare low for an istab I think) and having a huge cargohold for ammo and the occasional good loot item.
shield tank a sac yea that's totally the right thing to do.
what it really comes down to it depends on what your ratting and if you want to spend money on ammo.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.02.06 06:25:00 -
[34]
If all our wanting to do is rat in 0.0 without gatecamp issues then train for a Pilgrim.
High: 3x heavy pulse 1x cov ops cloak. Drop a pulse for a salvager if desired.
Med: 1x 10nm mwd 1x Invul field 1x drone speed mod 2x large extender
Low: 3x heatsink 2x pds
Drone: 10x med rat specific 10x warrior II
Rig: Not really needed but if you want go for some resist thats effective vs your rats of choice.
No ammo needed tanks triple bs spawns nicely as long as you pop the support first and kills even the toughest bs quickly if your drone skills are top notch. Plus if you know how then even bubbled gates with drone spamming mwd cruisers and intys won't stop you from getting to the next system. Ask the guys out in the branch/venal area how hard it is to catch my Pilgrims. ^^
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Ping Li
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Posted - 2008.02.06 06:34:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Ping Li on 06/02/2008 06:34:46
Originally by: Reven Darklight
Originally by: codex09
armor tank reasonably well.
*cough* shield tank *cough*
You will be surprised how well an armor tanked Raven works in 0.0, it's good enough for ratting and you keep your midslots free for EW-mods in case you encounter enemies.
atm i usually fly a Drake though. Very cheap and it can easily tank and kill any spawn.
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.06 06:58:00 -
[36]
Originally by: ShopperDuck ChopperRock
Edited by: ShopperDuck ChopperRock on 05/02/2008 21:29:32
I was wondering which ship is the best for a solotrip to 0.0.
I need something to be able to tank a trible bs-spawn, and yet fast/agile enough to travel tru 0.0 without the big risk of getting ganked. (all ships can be caught, i know)
Is it a recon or hac or ?
what is the best solo-trip-to-0.0-ship?
I'm will hazard a guess and say that you want to squat in someones back yard and encounter as few of the local residents as possible while making yourself filthy rich. If this is correct you want something that does not use ammo and isn't made of nerf. Drone ships and most Amarr ships satisfy both conditions. Knock yourself out.
The cheque will be in the mail.
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.06 07:18:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon
Originally by: The Slayer
Domi, hands down.
Highs :
2 x Heavy Diminishing Nos (They don't get much cap but every little helps)
2 x Tractor Beams
2 x Salvagers (Why have guns on a drone boat)
Meds :
1 x Quad Lif Booster Rockets (Mwd to get in range)
4 x Cap Recharger II
Lows :
2 x Large Armor Rep II
2 x Energized Adaptive II
1 x Damage Control II
1 x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plates
Can't perma run the tank but who needs to. Rats never get me past about 25% armor even if I leave the armor reps off. Use T2 heavy drones always.
Point 1.... Use the gun to grab aggro, so you don't have to wait ages for the entire spawn to aggro you instead of popping your drones. If you REALLY don't want to fit a gun, fit a medium armor repper to heal any drone armor damage.
Point 2... rats only deal 2 damage types... ditch the 1 EAMN II and the plate in favour of 2 type-specific hardeners (Guristas shoot kin and therm, Blood Raiders shoot EM and Therm, etc).
Point 3... a plate is not like a shield extender. If you cannot be stable with 7k armor... you won't be stable with 10k armor.
Point 4... The setup I posted above works for regular ratting, cosmic anomolies, complexes and solo level 4 missions. It may not be the prototypical Domi setup... but I've been flying that same setup for over 2 years, and I've never lost a Domi to regular, complex or mission rats. Other Pilots who jump in and pop me when ratting, sure... but never to rats.
He is a goon, and if you know where goons rat, those rats does more then 2 type of damage, so his low-slot fits isent all off-side. (hint: angels do all type of damage)
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Ovno ConSyquence
Amarr
Free Mercenaries Union
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2008.02.06 08:35:00 -
[38]
Personnally I use an af usually an enyo or a retribution, the dps is a little low and you really need to manage you transversals and keep your speed up but it can easily kill a triple 1.5, and with skill a tripple 1.8, just don't go after the low value cruiser and dessy spawn, cus they'll rip you a new one.
Oh and when you are working on a 1.5+ it takes so long to kill them that it starts chaining nicely 
The real benefit though is the ease of running and hiding from enemys and also if you do get caught your only down 10-20mil 
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Titos Polo
Senseless Violence
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Posted - 2008.02.06 08:45:00 -
[39]
Deimos
Ratting in a Deimos is like driving a Porsche
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HenkieBoy
Enrave
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2008.02.06 09:46:00 -
[40]
Cyclone, just because its fun to rat with it
high:
650mm arties
heavy missile launcher
salvager
tractorbeam (only if you hate to fly towards the wrecks)
meds:
shield hardners (based on the type of dmg the rats do it that area)
shield booster
low:
dmg control
trackingspeed + dmg modifier mod
2x pdu
This setup is alot of fun to rat with
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Lord Zoran
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.02.06 10:32:00 -
[41]
a myrm, proph or harbinger come to mind as this saves a lot of time messing around with ammo
Yarr!?!?!?!?! |
E Vile
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.02.06 11:16:00 -
[42]
I enjoy ratting in my Passive shield Nighthawk with 2 BCU down low.
It's got a good cargo bay, and good against all size npc.
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Laila Eldgorn
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Posted - 2008.02.06 11:18:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Ping Li
Edited by: Ping Li on 06/02/2008 06:34:46
Originally by: Reven Darklight
Originally by: codex09
armor tank reasonably well.
*cough* shield tank *cough*
You will be surprised how well an armor tanked Raven works in 0.0, it's good enough for ratting and you keep your midslots free for EW-mods in case you encounter enemies.
atm i usually fly a Drake though. Very cheap and it can easily tank and kill any spawn.
Point of ratting in battleship is that they kill rats a lot faster, less time spend on killing equals to more isk generated in hour. Now if you want to have even half decent armor tank on raven you cannot fit ballistic control units. You want to have at least 2 of them to make any decent damage with cruise missiles. On the other hand you can use damage rigs, but then you have to use mids for capacitor, because you don't want to bother carrying cap boosters.
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Miss Rumpelstilzchen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.06 11:48:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen on 06/02/2008 11:48:19
use the Dominix .. best ship i see for ratting/pvp, u only need to change the salvager/tractor`s and some drones for pvp
and if u have good support skills (cap recharge)use this setup:
[Dominix, New Setup 1]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Rate spec Activ hardener
Rate spec Activ hardener
Rate spec Activ hardener
Capacitor Power Relay II
Large Armor Repairer II
Large Armor Repairer II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron <-- for aggro
100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Ogre II x5 <- standart pvp drones
Hornet EC-300 x5 <-- for intys or something
Hobgoblin II x5 <-- also for inty if he is slow enought xd
Hammerhead II x5
Rate Spec Heavy Drones x5
Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot I x1 <-- for repp your drones
if u can nos a BS or 2 u can perm run the 2 Large repper
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.02.06 11:59:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Xanos Blackpaw on 06/02/2008 12:00:16
i usaly use a retribution or an aribitrator for 0.0 ratting
retri fit:
4 T2 med pulses
1 cheap cloak for SSing when there is a hostile gang moveing through
1AB
1 small T2 rep
1 therm resist
1 HS
2 CPR
its a good estup but with the cloak you wont be able to salvage and salvage is very good isk on sanshas...so here is ship no: 2...the arby
arby
3 salvagers
1 cheap cloak
1 AB
3 CR T2
1 med rep
2 resist
1 CPR
15 HH 1s
can kill any spawn and salvage the remains but is alittle slower than the retri...
remember to anchor a giant secure can on one of your safe spots. that way you dont need do move to the station that can be several jumps away so often...one trip a week with an indy is enough unless you pick up random T1 crap...stick to named and one can will be plenty for a week...
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Magazaki
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Posted - 2008.02.06 13:59:00 -
[46]
So you basically want to:
1)Maximize damage so you make more money (This would imply battleship, and remove frigs)
2)Have enough of a tank for the rats (This kills all T1 ships but BS and BC)
3)Be mobile so you don't get killed by a lone ship and are able to escape from a gang
4)Have a reasonable cargo space for loot
5)Have at least reasonable ammo capacity so you don't go back and forth all the time
Scratch Frigs, destroyers, inties, dictors, logistics and indies as they don't satisft anything but 3 and sometimes 5
Battleships and capships would be good but scratch these because they don' satisfy 3
Recons and HIC's generally do less damage than HACS (not satisfying 1) while the EW and the disruption capability are not needed for your purpose.
That leaves us with Assault ships, Battlecruisers, Hacs and Command ships
Fleet command ships tank more than you need and shoot less than you need, so it's down to Assault ships, Battlecruisers, Hacs and Field Command ships
At that point, assault ships should be avoided because of 1 and 4 (damage could be better, cargo could be better, although speed is nice) and they may get into problems when a commander is followed by too many small escorts.
So it's BC, HAC or Command ship. Scratch the Minmatar ships because they either have more range than you need, or less damage than you would like.
So, at that point, if you can fly a gunship that does the correct damage type, go for that. For Guristas/Serpentis, Deimos and Beagle are first choice, leaning towards deimos. Brutix can work as well but has no inherent advantage to the other two. For Sansha/Blood raiders, the Harbinger, Zealot and Absolution are fine. If you don't fly a gunship with the correct damage type for the rats you hunt, use one of Ceberus, Nighthawk, Drake, Sacrilege, Myrmidon, Ishtar, Astarte.
Good enough? The strongest choice is of course command ships, but they are the most expensive too. I feel that a HAC must be your best choice. But really, all of these would work.
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Mangus Thermopyle
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.02.06 14:14:00 -
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Best ship for ratting is generally the ship with most effective DPS against the rats you are after. And if you want to loot, nothing will beat a marauder, although it will be expensive to be ganked.
For gurista/serpenties 0.0, I really liked the Deimos though (the deimos after the change wont be as good). It had good DPS, good tank and good speed with an mwd, and when the rat was dead you where almost in loot range.
One thing to consider when ratting is align and warp speed. Often you spend more than half your time warping around, which means a ship faster to align and faster to warp will be preferable.
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Posted - 2008.02.06 15:10:00 -
[48]
If we are talking about all-out ratting ship, which works well against every type of rats ships like Ishtar, nighthawk and dominix are at the bottom, to be hounest.
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Asherana
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.06 15:21:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Glassback
Ishtar.
G.
This.
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Polly Prissypantz
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Posted - 2008.02.06 15:26:00 -
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I'm going to assume none of you have ever ratted in a Marauder. Warp, shoot, loot. Don't even bother moving. A bit slow on the warps as with any BS, though.
Looks pretty on a lossmail, too.
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Asherana
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.06 15:26:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Best ship for ratting is generally the ship with most effective DPS against the rats you are after. And if you want to loot, nothing will beat a marauder, although it will be expensive to be ganked.
There is no need in 'most effective DPS' if you spend more time on aligning/warping between belts, approaching the rats and wrecks.
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xHUN73R
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Posted - 2008.02.06 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Asherana
There is no need in 'most effective DPS' if you spend more time on aligning/warping between belts, approaching the rats and wrecks.
This.
And taking into account the max velocity of heavy drones, which dominix is using its probably the worst ratting ship... 
Ishtar has the same problem, but it alignes and warps a lot faster, so it a bit better.
The nighthawk have the problem of defenders, cuz there are quite a few rat battleships which use them.
Don't forget that ratting in 0.0 is dangerous and when the enemy ceptor jumps in you should get out of the belts realy fast.
I personaly love the neutron mega. It has so much brutal DPS that doesn't need much of a tank, it just vaporaizes battleships. But there is still the approach/align problem.
So its very hard to tell which ship is best for 0.0 ratting. Every one of the has pros and cons. Instead may be the deimos
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Neena Valdi
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.06 19:18:00 -
[53]
In Ishtar case the drone travel time is neglectible if properly fitted. You spend time only to initially approach the rats (fast with MWD or even AB), start dpsing with blasters until you have full aggro, launch drones to unleash the full firepower. Works wonders.
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Neena Valdi
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.06 19:24:00 -
[54]
Originally by: xHUN73R
Don't forget that ratting in 0.0 is dangerous and when the enemy ceptor jumps in you should get out of the belts realy fast.
I personaly love the neutron mega. It has so much brutal DPS that doesn't need much of a tank, it just vaporaizes battleships. But there is still the approach/align problem.
Blaster mega is no no variant for ratting. It has like 1km/s speed with MWD and very slow on accelerating. Rail mega with sentry drones might work, but you will need 2nd account to loot/salvage wrecks and besides rail dominix with rig for sentry drones and t2 sentry drones will most likely outdps such megathron.
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Slayton Ford
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.06 19:54:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Slayton Ford on 06/02/2008 19:54:51
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 06/02/2008 06:12:47
Vagabond with two LSE II's and a tracking disruptor can pretty much chain 1.8 mil Sansha and BR indefinitely. But yes, it blows through ammo really quick. Also you don't need a MWD and spend all your time manually controlling a Vaga in PvE. Orbiting with a burner and the right low slot mods still keeps you well above 1200 m/s (it's been about two months since I last did this so I forget the exact speed.)
For ratting Sanshas, a Munnin is better then a Vagabond.
With my skills (t2 guns, l4/5 related), a Munnin set up for ratting does 381 DPS. This is w/ 5x 425 ACs, 2 Gyros, armor tanked with the 2 other high slots used for tractor and salvager. A Vaga w/ 3 Gyros and 5x 220 ACs does 376 DPS. This doesnt allow for both a tractor and salvager though. If I was ratting Bloods which like to nos though, I'd runn a passive LSE tanked Vaga over a Munnin.
But a Typhoon works better then either hacs. Using 4x Dual 650s, Arb Seige, and 5x Ogres, your doing over 600 DPS (1 Gryo, 1 BCU).
As to ammo, if you buy a EMP M bpo, wreck loot will keep give you plenty of minerals for ammo.
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joshmorris
Silver Snake Enterprise
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.06 22:03:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon
I love my ratting Dominix... simply because it is the drone machine.
I am able to perma-run my tank while my fighters take care of the rats... rats of any size, might I add.
Highs:
2x NOS
1x 425mm Rail (for getting aggro)
Drone Link Augmentor
Tractor and salvager
Meds:
100mn AB
Target Painter (helps drone damage.... really!)
2x Cap Rechargers
Drone Navigation Computer (speed boost for drones)
Lows:
Large Armor Rep
Medium Armor Rep
"xxx" Armor Hardner (active)
"yyy" Armor Hardner (active)
Damage Control
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Capacitor Power Relay
You can fit rigs for armor rep or salvage help if you want...
I perma run my medium... only occasionally pulsing the large. With the Dominix's drone bonus, you only need to carry 100 rounds for the occasional railgun shot.
Remember, keep a repper drone or 2 to rep any drones that may take damage.
Highs:
Moar guns
1x 425mm Rail (for getting aggro)
Drone Link Augmentor
Tractor and salvager
Meds:
100 mwd (ab sux for ratting plex's and missions use ab)
Target Painter (helps drone damage.... really!)
2x Cap Rechargers II
Drone Navigation Computer (speed boost for drones)
Lows:
Large Armor Rep II
"xxx" Armor Hardner II (active) Primary damage type
"xxx" Armor Hardner II (active)
"yyy" Armor Hardner II(active) secondary damage type
Magnetic field stab II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Fixed. Can prolly perma run the lar. If not swap the extra mag stab for a cap power rely.
This will rat and salvage quicker(cause of more guns and the mag stab n the mwd to get to wrecks quicker than your setup soooo therefore it is better.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.02.06 22:55:00 -
[57]
Almost every ship and *guide* I've seen recommended so far in this thread is a quick way to get you killed in hostile 0.0 and give the aggressors some decent loots. But then again I'm going to assume thats the posters intentions. 
Originally by: Nice Guy
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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.06 23:09:00 -
[58]
Ishtar
highs for salvage and such
can be made to tank well and still be very agile
has enough DPS to kill any rat spawn easy just with drones.
Not a bad sized cargo either
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Vymorna Grom
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.07 01:55:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Zeba
Almost every ship and *guide* I've seen recommended so far in this thread is a quick way to get you killed in hostile 0.0 and give the aggressors some decent loots. But then again I'm going to assume thats the posters intentions.
That's and interesting thought.
But then again, even those "aggressors" needed to start somewhere . . .
I certainly hope pirates in EVE don't use the forums to go trolling for victims (as in: easy noob prey.)
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Neena Valdi
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.07 12:32:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Zeba
Almost every ship and *guide* I've seen recommended so far in this thread is a quick way to get you killed in hostile 0.0 and give the aggressors some decent loots. But then again I'm going to assume thats the posters intentions.
If you aren't stupid and pay attention you won't get killed even in a slow BS. Unless you are very unlucky and someone who jump into system warps right on top of you immediatly which happens not that often, least to say.
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Polly Prissypantz
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Posted - 2008.02.21 10:49:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Polly Prissypantz on 21/02/2008 10:55:34
Originally by: Zeba
Almost every ship and *guide* I've seen recommended so far in this thread is a quick way to get you killed in hostile 0.0 and give the aggressors some decent loots. But then again I'm going to assume thats the posters intentions.
Considering this is a thread about ratting ships, I'm not sure what you're on about. Ratting (as with missions) is intrinsically risky in a hostile environment, and most fits that are well suited to ratting simply don't cope well with PvP. Your main goals for a ratter are: kill the rats as quickly as possible, get safe as quickly as possible. The best way to achieve both is to be able to kill rats at any range and to be able to stay stationary (moderate warp) or aligned (instant warp). A third goal if you're into it is to loot/salvage as quickly as possible (in Drone regions this is a must since your loot is your pay day).
Some of the fits suggested in this thread fit these goals... Some don't. But suggesting that they're all attempts at getting cheap kills is disingenuous.
For being able to also travel around safely (and I'm kinda contradicting the above paragraphs), a nano-Ishtar is the best ratter hands down since it's fast and fit for PvP. The only downside is that Guristas rats and their 5,000km range missiles will still cause you grief - but other turret based rats will cry as you orbit them at high speed while your drones *****them.
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dreddish
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Posted - 2008.02.21 12:45:00 -
[62]
armageddon, tachs, cloak, wcs x 5, mwd, medium armour rep - the rest cap rechargers.
that will get u in and out, and do the job nicely.
and its cheap.
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Sergara Darkthorn
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Posted - 2008.02.21 13:00:00 -
[63]
Retribution
4 T2 medium pulse lasers and a rat specific tank
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Isaac Swift
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Posted - 2008.02.23 07:41:00 -
[64]
I personally rat in a Domi. It's slow and I'm lazy, so typically I just align to a SS and drop sentry drones or heavies if the rats spawn nearby. If there is a chance that you will run into hostiles, ALWAYS make sure that you have a heavy neut, a large smartbomb, and a set of ECM drones if possible.
Neut will help scare off nanos/intys, smartbomb will clear up drones, and ECM drones can break a lock just long enough for you to escape. I've lost enough Domis to realize how important this rule is.
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Mehos Spun
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Posted - 2008.02.23 08:59:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Sergara Darkthorn
Retribution
4 T2 medium pulse lasers and a rat specific tank
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VeiledFlare
NEW EDEN CLEANING SERVICES INC.
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Posted - 2008.02.23 12:13:00 -
[66]
In a previous post I mentioned the Harpy and Wolf as being favourites, but now after realising I could fly a Myrmidon after a little cross training, I'm sold... Relatively cheap and the setup below is great for Guristas and Serpentis ratting. It paid for itself in one session.
[Myrmidon, Ratter]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Hobgoblin I x5
Wasp I x5
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zayanka
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Posted - 2008.02.23 12:21:00 -
[67]
isthar is the best one.
1. Doesnt use any ammo
2. Can fit 3 salvagers + 2 tractor beams
3. Big cargo hold.
4. Capable to kill any rats (can choose damage type, does exellent damage)
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Draeca
Combat-Evolved
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Posted - 2008.02.23 14:17:00 -
[68]
Vexor.
Quite agile and can kill stuff. Killing takes some time and those webbing frig/cruiser supports can ruin your day, but it still gets the job done. With under 10mil price tag.
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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2008.02.23 16:19:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Velator, hands down.
ROFL. That's good for getting TO 0.0 but not surviving there...
It's funny... I made my 1st trip to 0.0 not too long ago, and I chose a Condor for this. There was a huge gate camp with a dictor among them, but they just let me get out of the "vortex" and continue on my merry way. Meanwhile, another ship that jumped in right next to me got trapped, and he kept screaming in local for someone to save him. No one even touched me. I still cant understand why. I could have had implants or an expencive item on board..
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UMEE
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Posted - 2008.02.23 19:34:00 -
[70]
Edited by: UMEE on 23/02/2008 19:37:09
Originally by: ShopperDuck ChopperRock
Edited by: ShopperDuck ChopperRock on 05/02/2008 21:29:32
I was wondering which ship is the best for a solotrip to 0.0.
I need something to be able to tank a trible bs-spawn, and yet fast/agile enough to travel tru 0.0 without the big risk of getting ganked. (all ships can be caught, i know)
Is it a recon or hac or ?
what is the best solo-trip-to-0.0-ship?
in my opinion, a battleship is out of the question because you will probably lose it by the time you get to your system. it takes too long to align after jumping in. HAC is a slightly better option.
if you dont have the skills for the HAC, i recommend a T2 Ishkur. gets through battleships spawns really fast. if not ishkur, then T2 fitted rax, which isnt as mobile.
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