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The Bandid Amarr The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.09 11:49:00 - [31] Originally by: Shevar Originally by: vespasian bold I agree Ishtar does'nt need any changes,as for heavy drones being for a battleship,durrrrr,its a tech II ship!!!!!! Why can't I fit torpedo's or cruise missiles on a sac then? It's t2 as well right? Cause ure stpd, Gallente is a DRONE RACE, VEXOR -> Ishtar Are Drone boats, with low dmg on the guns and high dmg from Drones, And btw Drones die pretty easily if u know how to pvp, Sac isnt a Missile ship from base, Thats why it cant use BS Modules thats the diffrence A heavy drone isn a BS class Module it isnt a Module, i rest my case stop whining and adapt ffs
Antodias North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.02.09 12:09:00 - [32] Well, the hybrid bonus might be near useless, but I doubt that change would put an end to the nanololling - since a lot of Ishtar nano setups I see are shield tanking autocannon setups. I don't like it tbh, I think it brings the Ishtar too close to the Myrmidon in the same way the Deimos has been moved to close to the Brutix. ------------------------------------ Politically Correct since 2007. No really.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.09 12:42:00 - [33] Originally by: The Bandid And btw Drones die pretty easily if u know how to pvp, Utter bullzhit. Id like to see you kill an ishtars 15xOgreII drones before you go pop under the fire of 500-600dps. Good luck. Dont lie. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation
Benito M	Posted - 2008.02.09 13:02:00 - [34] An Ishtar is a HAC... The DPS from heavy drones is no more powerfull than any other races... except they can be killed. Learn to adapt.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.09 13:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Benito M An Ishtar is a HAC... The DPS from heavy drones is no more powerfull than any other races... except they can be killed. Learn to adapt. Id like to see you kill 15xOgreII and at the same time tank 500-600 dps until you can kill them all in anything except a fairly tanked battleship. I think youre full of it. Aye... -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation
Benito M	Posted - 2008.02.09 13:12:00 - [36] You ever flown a hac? My deimos has nearly 700+ DPS and the full DPS of 5 Ogre IIs is around 490 iirc if you have MAX skills. I dont get your point AT all.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.09 13:15:00 - [37] Originally by: Benito M You ever flown a hac? My deimos has nearly 700+ DPS and the full DPS of 5 Ogre IIs is around 490 iirc if you have MAX skills. I dont get your point AT all. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU KILL 15XOGREII THAT A NANO ISHTAR HAS IN ANYTHING SMALLER THEN A BATTLESHIP WITHOUT DYING. THE POINT IS YOU CANNOT KILL ITS DRONES FAST ENOUGH SO YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT ABOUT DRONES BEING KILLABLE IS TOTALLY FUBAR. Yes your deimos has 700 dps but not at 10-24km range mkay? -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation
Benito M	Posted - 2008.02.09 13:21:00 - [38] what ship? BS = Smartbombs Hac = I fly a deimos and it will easily eat up ogre IIs with web and blasters Cruiser's = If your quick enough you can probably take some down depending on your setup, but your a cruiser against a HAC.. BC = Most BC's could easily tank that long enough to kill them Frigs / Ceptors = Are going WAY to fast for an ogre to hit You just dont know how to PVP imo, sorry... And any decent Ishtar pilot is NOT fielding 15 Ogre II's.
Lorz0r You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.02.09 13:34:00 - [39] Originally by: NoNah There are a serie of misconceptions regarding that will simply never ever die as long as the caldari whinesquad rules the forums. They are by far the best, and most experienced ones. Like ninjas lurking and striking with backstabs injecting their propaganda in valid threads all over eve-online. Simple truths are void by the massive propaganda gone down through generations of the academies through out caldari space. The two most common ones are: Heavy drones are NOT battleshipsized. This applies to tracking, signature resolution and damage. Armortanking is NOT more cap efficient than shield tanking. It is in fact inferior in just about every aspect - short of slotlayout and fitting(different but fair). This does not mean that heavy drones or armor tanks are imbalanced. As for the ishtar with such a bonus, as already pointed out in thread, it would be overpowered. Right now, it can field a tank similiar to the one of a dominix, in all but pure explosive damage. Adding signature radius and movement - it tanks better, with very similiar damage. Giving it a rep bonus would render both the myrmid and domi largely useless. The ishtar would however need more mass, and another turret hardpoint while awaiting a useful highslot module for droneboats. The only way shield tanking is more efficient than armour tanking is using a shield boost amp. This fails because they take a load of CPU and another very precious mid slot which can be used for something better. All the front line caldari ships don't have more than 6 mid slots - making it very difficult to do anything other than fit a tank which is why we're slow and can't tackle. You shrug off the slot layout of the tanks as nothing but it's probably the biggest single point that makes shield tanking WORSE than armour tanking.
Moridin Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.09 14:44:00 - [40] ffs. i want to keep the gun bonus. i also want the ship fixed so i can fit guns and good tank. serius the ishtar is the most cpu gimped HAC out there
cytomatrix Caldari Comrades in Destruction	Posted - 2008.02.09 15:08:00 - [41] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Benito M An Ishtar is a HAC... The DPS from heavy drones is no more powerfull than any other races... except they can be killed. Learn to adapt. Id like to see you kill 15xOgreII and at the same time tank 500-600 dps until you can kill them all in anything except a fairly tanked battleship. I think youre full of it. Aye... Come to nonni if you would like a demonstration. I fly ishtar and i know how easy it is to kill ogres. ______________________________________________________________
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2008.02.09 15:08:00 - [42] Originally by: Benito M what ship? BS = Smartbombs Hac = I fly a deimos and it will easily eat up ogre IIs with web and blasters Cruiser's = If your quick enough you can probably take some down depending on your setup, but your a cruiser against a HAC.. BC = Most BC's could easily tank that long enough to kill them Frigs / Ceptors = Are going WAY to fast for an ogre to hit You just dont know how to PVP imo, sorry... And any decent Ishtar pilot is NOT fielding 15 Ogre II's. If your suggesting that a deimos, infamously the hardest HAC to tank with some pretty bad cap based problems, would run round trying to kill an ishtars wave after wave of drones rather than running away or trying to shred it on its own, then maybe you need to learn to PvP too ...
El Yatta Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.02.09 16:24:00 - [43] HELL NO. Please can we have no changes to the Ishtar. It is a very nice boat, great damage, (you CAN use the hybrid damage bonus quite well in PVP, both nano and plated fits), and fantastic slot layout, but limited by its drones being killable, its abominably poor CPU and grid, and its mediocre T2 bonuses. Its a superb ship, does not need any changes. Frankly, the same goes for the Deimos, but if it must be changed, then yes, -1 high, not low. One of your two rotating signatures exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Galyrion Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2008.02.09 16:30:00 - [44] Ishtar needs a heavy hit with the nerfbat. Either in a way of reducing speed on the ship or nerfing polycarbons all together. Sure u can spend 5 min killing drones, but u will never catch the ship doing 4-5km/s. Ishtar with nanofit is eve on easymode atm.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.09 17:02:00 - [45] Originally by: Benito M what ship? BS = Smartbombs Hac = I fly a deimos and it will easily eat up ogre IIs with web and blasters Cruiser's = If your quick enough you can probably take some down depending on your setup, but your a cruiser against a HAC.. BC = Most BC's could easily tank that long enough to kill them Frigs / Ceptors = Are going WAY to fast for an ogre to hit You just dont know how to PVP imo, sorry... And any decent Ishtar pilot is NOT fielding 15 Ogre II's. Are we playing the same game or are you deliberatly pouring out bullzhit? BS = Smartbombs, yeah the rare ones like tempest and alike might fit this because they have 2 utility slots. No ordinary pvp fit BS is fitting SB before a heavy neut. Hac = Deimos chasing? I think not. Fail. Cruisers = Ishtar webs it and it dies within seconds. Fail. BC = Excuse me but what BC is tanking 500 dps and at the same time does more damage then a pea shooter? Fail. Frigs = yeah they run, because they are faster. Thats about it. Ok so he fields 5 mediums, 5 lights and 12 heavies. My point is still valid. You wont kill 12 Ogre IIs if youre in anything small then a battleship and are slower then the ishtar. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.02.09 17:06:00 - [46] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 09/02/2008 17:14:23 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 09/02/2008 17:09:13 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Benito M what ship? BS = Smartbombs Hac = I fly a deimos and it will easily eat up ogre IIs with web and blasters Cruiser's = If your quick enough you can probably take some down depending on your setup, but your a cruiser against a HAC.. BC = Most BC's could easily tank that long enough to kill them Frigs / Ceptors = Are going WAY to fast for an ogre to hit You just dont know how to PVP imo, sorry... And any decent Ishtar pilot is NOT fielding 15 Ogre II's. Are we playing the same game or are you deliberatly pouring out bullzhit? BS = Smartbombs, yeah the rare ones like tempest and alike might fit this because they have 2 utility slots. No ordinary pvp fit BS is fitting SB before a heavy neut. Hac = Deimos chasing? I think not. Fail. Cruisers = Ishtar webs it and it dies within seconds. Fail. BC = Excuse me but what BC is tanking 500 dps and at the same time does more damage then a pea shooter? Fail. Frigs = yeah they run, because they are faster. Thats about it. Ok so he fields 5 mediums, 5 lights and 12 heavies. My point is still valid. You wont kill 12 Ogre IIs if youre in anything small then a battleship and are slower then the ishtar. web drones, shoot them 1 by 1, tank while your doing it? you don't chase the ishtar you kill it's damage, that has to come to you in order to deal any damage. don't chase the ishtar let the drones come to you till it decides to run. and if it tries to come closer to web you and make it easier to recall the drones then you hit it with all you've got. your making it sound like drones are somehow hard to kill with web. and i'd say as the post above said, are we playing the same game? nah, we are, it's just another ishtar "wtf it's overpowered" misconcieved reply, like the one you started off and then somehow forgetting that amarr is currently being boosted en masse.. and rightly so cause they needed it. i guess it's a case of having whined for so long about amarr that when they finally start getting fixed you have to whine about something else
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.09 17:22:00 - [47] Originally by: 7shining7one7 I have no problems with the ishtar at its current state. I do have a problem with it getting love when it doesnt need anymore love that can be used with nano-fits. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.02.09 17:31:00 - [48] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 09/02/2008 17:34:37 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: 7shining7one7 I have no problems with the ishtar at its current state. I do have a problem with it getting love when it doesnt need anymore love that can be used with nano-fits. oh yeah definately, i have an ishtar and it's fine the way it is i agree. tbh i don't think ccp will listen to this proposal anyways, since we all know what would happen if it gets a repping bonus instead or whatever. which is why it has a near useless second bonus in the first place, to balance out the first. that doesn't stop the pwnmobile lobbyists though
Gunner Chick	Posted - 2008.02.09 17:46:00 - [49] Quote: Hybrid damage bonus replaced with armor rep bonus, Mass increased to put an end to nano-faggotry. here here
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.02.09 17:55:00 - [50] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 09/02/2008 17:55:07 Originally by: Gunner Chick Quote: Hybrid damage bonus replaced with armor rep bonus, Mass increased to put an end to nano-faggotry. here here uhm.. no.. "omg ccp nerf speed -> omg ccp nerf drones -> omg ccp nerf tank -> omg ccp nerf guns -> omgccp nerf uhm.. hp -> omg ccp nerf ewar -> omg ccp nerf high sp players -> omg ccp nerf.. "there's not much left bud, everything is the same now.. " oh.. screw this game i'm leaving.."
Benito M	Posted - 2008.02.09 20:14:00 - [51] @ Katarlia Simov When my deimos is caught by an ishtar 1v1... and it has several times... I have no choice but to fight the drones, Ive never died to an ishtar 1v1, my drones alone tear ogres apart let alone if I get hold of one with web and blasters. Ishtar's generaly run away at this point. Ive had close calls with double nuet ishtar's, but an overloaded web and me quickly changing target to the ship after ive killed a few drones doesnt fair well for an ishtar (there cap isnt that crap) I can go into detail of how even activating /deactivating mwd causes drones to miss and move again before hitting a decent orbit works to if you like? (trust me, i know how to PVP) @ Lyria Skydancer BS - I always fit one when I have the slightest chance of fighting drone boats. Thats a lot these days with nanofits, so do a lot of people I know, JUST 1 SB on a BS is enough to render drones useless. I dont always fit one... but the point still stands. BC - If you can't fit a Drake / Hurrican / Myrmidon / Harb. well enough to take out ogre IIs before they kill you... wtf? HAC - See @ Katarlia Simov post. and ofcourse, when im outnumbered I run fast in a deimos. But 1v1 against a ship that has to send its drones to less than 1K.. anyway... Spewing BS? seriously, get someone decent to teach you PVP... The ishtar along with most other ships need to be left alone.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.09 23:19:00 - [52] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Benito M You ever flown a hac? My deimos has nearly 700+ DPS and the full DPS of 5 Ogre IIs is around 490 iirc if you have MAX skills. I dont get your point AT all. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU KILL 15XOGREII THAT A NANO ISHTAR HAS IN ANYTHING SMALLER THEN A BATTLESHIP WITHOUT DYING. THE POINT IS YOU CANNOT KILL ITS DRONES FAST ENOUGH SO YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT ABOUT DRONES BEING KILLABLE IS TOTALLY FUBAR. Yes your deimos has 700 dps but not at 10-24km range mkay? 5x Ogre IIs with MAX SKILLS gives you 475 DPS (and who really has Gallente Drone Spec 5?). Pop one drone, you're down to 380 DPS. Every time a drone has to be pulled back and docked, replaced, etc., you're losing average DPS over the course of the fight. The Ishtar does not do "500-600" DPS. Stop talking out your ass. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Culitza	Posted - 2008.02.10 01:15:00 - [53] 5% armor rep bonus would suck ... you don't have enough PG-cpu to fit guns or nos/neuts and armor rep tank + cap booster and mwd .... this is silly. If they would do that ... they would need to massively increase its PG&cpu. If not ... then a 5% resists bonus should be in order
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.10 01:26:00 - [54] Originally by: Benito M BS - I always fit one when I have the slightest chance of fighting drone boats. Thats a lot these days with nanofits, so do a lot of people I know, JUST 1 SB on a BS is enough to render drones useless. I dont always fit one... but the point still stands. You do? Intresting because the pro-nano squad always says everyone fits heavy neuts rendering all nano's useless... -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation
Nuclear Warrior	Posted - 2008.02.10 02:20:00 - [55] Edited by: Nuclear Warrior on 10/02/2008 02:24:08 Edited by: Nuclear Warrior on 10/02/2008 02:22:39 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Benito M what ship? BS = Smartbombs Hac = I fly a deimos and it will easily eat up ogre IIs with web and blasters Cruiser's = If your quick enough you can probably take some down depending on your setup, but your a cruiser against a HAC.. BC = Most BC's could easily tank that long enough to kill them Frigs / Ceptors = Are going WAY to fast for an ogre to hit You just dont know how to PVP imo, sorry... And any decent Ishtar pilot is NOT fielding 15 Ogre II's. BS = Smartbombs, yeah the rare ones like tempest and alike might fit this because they have 2 utility slots. No ordinary pvp fit BS is fitting SB before a heavy neut. Hac = Deimos chasing? I think not. Fail. Cruisers = Ishtar webs it and it dies within seconds. Fail. BC = Excuse me but what BC is tanking 500 dps and at the same time does more damage then a pea shooter? Fail. BS = if you arent tanking at least 600dps in a battleship, your doing it wrong. Only gankathrons should so much as care if it ran into an ishtar, Hac = A deimos will probably lose to a ishtar because of its horrid tank. Most other ones? A cerberus would laugh at OgreII's one volley them then the Ishtar is screwed, as most cerbs are nanocerbs anyway. Cruiser = T2>T1... I dont see a problem here Battlecruisers = Well, the rigged myrm I fly tanks roughly 550dps and DPS's roughly 550dps (with blasters so those drones are no problem) And yes I will be taking 100 damage a second, but I will be 1 volleying those drones. So that gives me about 2 minutes or so before I go pop. I am happy with those odds, I wont be able to kill the Ishtar afterwards, but I will survive its onslaught and leave the pilot 15m odd worse off. edit Also, you dont need to do more than pea shooter dps, as a nano ishtar is not tanked as it relies on speed tanking, if you can tank its dps and track it with your guns, it is dead. Frigates = They run up to the Ishtar, Web + scram and laugh mercilessly as its gang warps in and horribly mauls the ishtar which now cant escape and is moving >750m/s while its ogres play fools gold and the ishtar looks on hopelessly as its guns cant track the tackler. And if you say "this is solo", or "Assume the frigate isnt a nano-frig or isnt built for speed." a T1 300k hull cant beat a 100m T2 hull? Nothing seems wrong here.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.02.10 02:39:00 - [56] yeah the only "bad" things about threads like this are that people grow increasingly aware of how exactly to effectively combat nano boats
Miss Rumpelstilzchen Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.10 02:57:00 - [57] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Frigs = yeah they run, because they are faster. Thats about it. /quote LoOoL frigs with mwd .. are faster then a oger so, orbit at hmm 18km, scram u and waiting for support and u will die have a nice day ;)
Terianna Eri Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.10 03:20:00 - [58] Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Frigs = yeah they run, because they are faster. Thats about it. LoOoL frigs with mwd .. are faster then a oger so, orbit at hmm 18km, scram u and waiting for support and u will die have a nice day ;) Hell, my tank-fit Sacrilege outruns Ogre IIs with MWD. (Okay, almost) They're REALLY slow. __________________________________
Sniggerdly Hater	Posted - 2008.02.10 05:11:00 - [59] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Benito M You ever flown a hac? My deimos has nearly 700+ DPS and the full DPS of 5 Ogre IIs is around 490 iirc if you have MAX skills. I dont get your point AT all. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU KILL 15XOGREII THAT A NANO ISHTAR HAS IN ANYTHING SMALLER THEN A BATTLESHIP WITHOUT DYING. THE POINT IS YOU CANNOT KILL ITS DRONES FAST ENOUGH SO YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT ABOUT DRONES BEING KILLABLE IS TOTALLY FUBAR. Yes your deimos has 700 dps but not at 10-24km range mkay? 5x Ogre IIs with MAX SKILLS gives you 475 DPS (and who really has Gallente Drone Spec 5?). Pop one drone, you're down to 380 DPS. Every time a drone has to be pulled back and docked, replaced, etc., you're losing average DPS over the course of the fight. The Ishtar does not do "500-600" DPS. Stop talking out your ass. IT DOES. You pop a drone the ishtar get out another. And two things will happen. Either the ishtar is far a way so it can **** off safely, or it is closeish and it doesn't take a lot to put the new ogre on the target. Whoever says killing drones of a drone ship is now easier is mentally deficient and has never tried or is too blinded by their bias. If you are killing the drones you arent killing the ship. If you kill a drone, another will pop up from the infinite drone bay. Killing drones on drone boats? Losing proposition. 1/10
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.02.10 05:16:00 - [60] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 10/02/2008 05:19:36 Originally by: S****dly Hater Whoever says killing drones of a drone ship is now easier is mentally deficient and has never tried or is too blinded by their bias. If you are killing the drones you arent killing the ship. If you kill a drone, another will pop up from the infinite drone bay. Killing drones on drone boats? Losing proposition. 1/10 LOL infinite drone bay! and yes you should go for the drones instead of the ishtar itself, to do otherwise will not diminish the dps on you and will be fighting a loosing battle. the beauty of drone carriers is that the guns are mobile, the drawbacks are the "guns" can be killed and are not so easily retractable, especially when they are webbed and taken down 1 by 1, when you run out that's it.

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