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Shereza
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Posted - 2008.02.06 18:19:00 -
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The Sacrilege is a completely different beast than the maller so after this change the deimos will be the only heavy assault ship that effectively throws away one of its T1 bonuses while maintaining the same role and loadout.
I would like to propose that the ishtar loses it's 5%/level hybrid damage bonus which is, arguably, a far less useful bonus to the ishtar (especially given the loss of a turret in the vexor->ishtar conversion) than the deimos' MWD bonus is to it with a repair bonus as well.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2008.02.06 18:19:00 -
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The Sacrilege is a completely different beast than the maller so after this change the deimos will be the only heavy assault ship that effectively throws away one of its T1 bonuses while maintaining the same role and loadout.
I would like to propose that the ishtar loses it's 5%/level hybrid damage bonus which is, arguably, a far less useful bonus to the ishtar (especially given the loss of a turret in the vexor->ishtar conversion) than the deimos' MWD bonus is to it with a repair bonus as well.
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Trojanman190
Yultani Advanced Research and Reproduction
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Posted - 2008.02.06 18:32:00 -
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/signed
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Neena Valdi
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.06 19:04:00 -
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While the idea sounds cool I highly doubt CCP will implement it. It will make ishtar overpowered.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.06 19:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Neena Valdi
It will make ishtar overpowered.
QFT. But Im not suprised to read stuff like this. Lately every gallente and minmatar boost idea is overpowered. People seem to think that amarr and the other races were on par and therefor want equally large boosts to ships that dont need em...
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Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.06 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Neena Valdi
It will make ishtar overpowered.
QFT. But Im not suprised to read stuff like this. Lately every gallente and minmatar boost idea is overpowered. People seem to think that amarr and the other races were on par and therefor want equally large boosts to ships that dont need em...
Uber overpowered?No however it will become FOTM quickly and in a short time ccp will just nerf it to hell....That is if people STOP SPEED TANKING IT!
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Shereza
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Posted - 2008.02.06 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Neena Valdi
It will make ishtar overpowered.
QFT. But Im not suprised to read stuff like this. Lately every gallente and minmatar boost idea is overpowered. People seem to think that amarr and the other races were on par and therefor want equally large boosts to ships that dont need em...
Frankly, I don't care about over-powered, and in many respects the ishtar is already over-powered.
I am simply suggesting that if CCP is going to replace a bonus that is relatively useful on the deimos with one that's less useful (at least in PvP, probably gonna make people who want to use it in PvE tickled pink) then the least they could do in compensation is replace a less useful bonus on the ishtar with one that'd be relatively useful.
Heck, I won't even argue if they continue this apparent "opposites day" farce (they swapped a mid to a low on the eos to "increase" its survivability, right?) and try to tell us that the gun bonus on the ishtar is making it over-powered and that they're replacing it with a tank bonus to bring it in line with other ships.
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delta phi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.07 04:10:00 -
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QFT
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Organized Combat Consortium
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.07 04:22:00 -
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Oh my god, I am going to kill you.
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6Bagheera9
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.07 06:52:00 -
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And the Deus Ex Machina descends from the rafters...
Diemos:
+1mid, -1 Hi, +Armor HP
Ishtar:
Hybrid damage bonus replaced with armor rep bonus, Mass increased to put an end to nano-faggotry.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.02.07 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: 6Bagheera9
And the Deus Ex Machina descends from the rafters...
Diemos:
+1mid, -1 Hi, +Armor HP
Ishtar:
Hybrid damage bonus replaced with armor rep bonus, Mass increased to put an end to nano-faggotry.
No, I'm actually scared they're going to take away a midslot and add a highslot :s
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Don Juanito
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Posted - 2008.02.07 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza
Frankly, I don't care about over-powered, and in many respects the ishtar is already over-powered.
this is where any argument you wanted to make loses credibility.
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AvatarOfHope
Amarr
The Nexus Project
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.02.07 08:44:00 -
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/signed
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.02.07 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza
Frankly, I don't care about over-powered, and in many respects the ishtar is already over-powered.
End of thread?
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L70Rogue
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Posted - 2008.02.07 11:49:00 -
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if anything the ship needs to be nerfed to hell. 5 heavy drones (battleship size weapons) from a cruiser? if that's not overpowered...
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Grytok
moon7empler
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.02.07 12:12:00 -
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Ishtar is fine as she is. No need for any changes.
Same goes for the Deimos. CCP simply fails (as all others) by comparing one ship to another 1vs1.
EvE is not a leveled playground 1vs1, so stop making all ships the same with just different hulls.
Nobody want's to tank a Deimos or a Ishtar or what ever HAC there is besides the Sacrilege.
HACs allready do tank very well compared to T1-cruisers, while dishing out the damage of BC or even BS. Nothing wrong here, as this is their sole purpose.
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Neena Valdi
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.07 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Grytok
Ishtar is fine as she is. No need for any changes.
Same goes for the Deimos. CCP simply fails (as all others) by comparing one ship to another 1vs1.
EvE is not a leveled playground 1vs1, so stop making all ships the same with just different hulls.
Nobody want's to tank a Deimos or a Ishtar or what ever HAC there is besides the Sacrilege.
What he said. Ishtar is absolutely fine as it is.
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vespasian bold
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Posted - 2008.02.07 12:39:00 -
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I agree Ishtar does'nt need any changes,as for heavy drones being for a battleship,durrrrr,its a tech II ship!!!!!!
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Shereza
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Posted - 2008.02.07 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Don Juanito
Originally by: Shereza
Frankly, I don't care about over-powered, and in many respects the ishtar is already over-powered.
this is where any argument you wanted to make loses credibility.
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Amusing that honesty results in loss of credibility.
Originally by: L70Rogue
if anything the ship needs to be nerfed to hell. 5 heavy drones (battleship size weapons) from a cruiser? if that's not overpowered...
I never did understand the whole "heavy drones are battleship size weapons" thing. For that matter I never understood why it's always about the heavies and nobody whines about the sentries. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that 50% of all T1/faction battleships in the game have 75mbit/sec bandwidth or less while only 3 (armageddon and state armageddon along with the 2x-DPS/turrent nightmare) T1/faction battleships can't fill every high-slot with a weappon.
Originally by: Grytok
HACs allready do tank very well compared to T1-cruisers, while dishing out the damage of BC or even BS. Nothing wrong here, as this is their sole purpose.
"Nothing wrong here," with regards to current stats/designs, is rather my point, but if CCP's going to make bad design changes I might as well try to slip in one for the gallente HAS I fly.
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Hardcorpsy
Amarr
Star Blossom
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Posted - 2008.02.07 12:51:00 -
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L70Rogue, its not a cruiser... its a cruiser HULL but its a t2 ship. An advanced weapon who requier a nice ammount of sp to fly it well.
Yes it can pull out 5 heavy drone, but if you dont know how to counter ogre for exemple , i suggest you to stop posting and go train before. Just buy an mwd and click on it with your mouse, or target enemy drone and launch yours on it ?... ANY ship with at least 25 dronebandwith ans 25m¦ drone bay can launch heavy drone. Yes 125 dronebandwith is a bs sized stuff, but a dominix cost 50m (full insurance)and an ishtar cost 100m (insurance is really low). I dont get the point.
To the op, a repair bonus instead of medium turret damage is ugly. The goal is not to make a mini hyperion. You can fit rails to increase your dps. Nobody want to tank an ishtar... or im really missing something..
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Zubakis
Bambooule
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.07 12:56:00 -
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What ishtar really needs is CPU. So you actually can fit it with T2 stuff and put some drone upgrades on it.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2008.02.07 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hardcorpsy
To the op, a repair bonus instead of medium turret damage is ugly. The goal is not to make a mini hyperion. You can fit rails to increase your dps. Nobody want to tank an ishtar... or im really missing something..
There seem to be more people in favor of tanking the ishtar than the deimos, and possibly not just in the mission-running circles (of which I'm part of). 
Joking aside, taking away the deimos' MWD bonus and giving it a repair bonus will be making it a mini-hyperion. Hyperion's bonuses are? 5% damage, 7.5% rep. First two bonuses on the new deimos? 5% damage, 7.5% rep.
Giving the ishtar a repair bonus instead of the hybrid damage bonus would turn it into a turbo-charged myrmidon.
Still, why the "fit rails to increase your dps" comment? Better tanking through faster killing philosophy?
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Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.07 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: L70Rogue
if anything the ship needs to be nerfed to hell. 5 heavy drones (battleship size weapons) from a cruiser? if that's not overpowered...
Hi , noob posting alt... The Ishtar has 3 turret slots, how else do you expect a Heavy Assault cruiser to do damage ?
Ishtar is fine as it is, and besides a repper bonus would really just help it for PvE anyways, it doesnt have too much grid/cpu for a great tank....
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Hardcorpsy
Amarr
Star Blossom
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Posted - 2008.02.07 13:33:00 -
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 For pve i admit it ll be a cool buff.
"Still, why the "fit rails to increase your dps" comment? Better tanking through faster killing philosophy?"
Yes, i ve forget a couple of words ^^, you can do that with or without the repair or damage bonus.
I mean the bonus add a bit of dps to break tank you wouldnt without it. In fact, many people use small blaster to kill speedy drone, so it really depend on the enemy you ll face ( against mass drone, small is better, against cruiser and bigger ship, medium gun is better). I agree with you that this bonus is not a must have, but it can make the diference.
To be honest, if you have a tanked ishtar and get caught by a bs or something like that(and you probably will because yon dont nanotank) you ll die really quick. Try it in front of a dual rep, dual magstab megathron when you are webbed and scram 
And yes, i prefer gank to tank for many ship, but its a personal choice 
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Sonja Vladomirovic
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Posted - 2008.02.07 14:39:00 -
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What I would like to see on Vexor/Ishtar/Dominix is a remote armor rep bonus instead of the turret bonus. They could be some well-tanked logistic ships, with a good dps (only based on the drones).
Btw: Nano-Ishtars are overpowered, they need some mass increasement love, or I will be a sad panda.
Cptn out.
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Guelwin III
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Posted - 2008.02.09 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shereza
The Sacrilege is a completely different beast than the maller so after this change the deimos will be the only heavy assault ship that effectively throws away one of its T1 bonuses while maintaining the same role and loadout.
I would like to propose that the ishtar loses it's 5%/level hybrid damage bonus which is, arguably, a far less useful bonus to the ishtar (especially given the loss of a turret in the vexor->ishtar conversion) than the deimos' MWD bonus is to it with a repair bonus as well.
/Signed !
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.02.09 02:02:00 -
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There are a serie of misconceptions regarding that will simply never ever die as long as the caldari whinesquad rules the forums. They are by far the best, and most experienced ones. Like ninjas lurking and striking with backstabs injecting their propaganda in valid threads all over eve-online. Simple truths are void by the massive propaganda gone down through generations of the academies through out caldari space. The two most common ones are:
Heavy drones are NOT battleshipsized. This applies to tracking, signature resolution and damage.
Armortanking is NOT more cap efficient than shield tanking. It is in fact inferior in just about every aspect - short of slotlayout and fitting(different but fair).
This does not mean that heavy drones or armor tanks are imbalanced.
As for the ishtar with such a bonus, as already pointed out in thread, it would be overpowered. Right now, it can field a tank similiar to the one of a dominix, in all but pure explosive damage. Adding signature radius and movement - it tanks better, with very similiar damage. Giving it a rep bonus would render both the myrmid and domi largely useless.
The ishtar would however need more mass, and another turret hardpoint while awaiting a useful highslot module for droneboats.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.09 04:19:00 -
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I myself would rather like to see this change get implemented, for a few reasons:
1) The hybrid damage bonus is completely useless, it not only sucks because of the small number of turrets (and lack of fitting abilities) but because of the fact that it encourages a drone ship to use guns, tbqfh it'd be nice to see drone ships relying solely on DRONES to do their damage, take away a high slot or 2 on the ishtar and give it a rep bonus, let it be used the way it was meant to be used
2) ANY change that coaxes people into using this ship in a non-nano way would be very much welcommed. Is it so bad to want a HAC to be able to tank well? Buffing non-nano specs on ships that commonly get nanoed would be a great response to the nano problem. It would encourage non-nano setups without nerfing the ships people have spent billions on.
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.02.09 10:06:00 -
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personally i find the hybrid bonus ok.
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.02.09 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: vespasian bold
I agree Ishtar does'nt need any changes,as for heavy drones being for a battleship,durrrrr,its a tech II ship!!!!!!
Why can't I fit torpedo's or cruise missiles on a sac then? It's t2 as well right?
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The Bandid
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.09 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shevar
Originally by: vespasian bold
I agree Ishtar does'nt need any changes,as for heavy drones being for a battleship,durrrrr,its a tech II ship!!!!!!
Why can't I fit torpedo's or cruise missiles on a sac then? It's t2 as well right?
Cause ure st*p*d, Gallente is a DRONE RACE, VEXOR -> Ishtar Are Drone boats, with low dmg on the guns and high dmg from Drones,
And btw Drones die pretty easily if u know how to pvp,
Sac isnt a Missile ship from base, Thats why it cant use BS Modules thats the diffrence
A heavy drone isn a BS class Module it isnt a Module,
i rest my case stop whining and adapt ffs
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.09 12:09:00 -
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Well, the hybrid bonus might be near useless, but I doubt that change would put an end to the nanololling - since a lot of Ishtar nano setups I see are shield tanking autocannon setups.
I don't like it tbh, I think it brings the Ishtar too close to the Myrmidon in the same way the Deimos has been moved to close to the Brutix.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.09 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: The Bandid
And btw Drones die pretty easily if u know how to pvp,
Utter bullzhit. Id like to see you kill an ishtars 15xOgreII drones before you go pop under the fire of 500-600dps. Good luck. Dont lie.
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Benito M
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Posted - 2008.02.09 13:02:00 -
[34]
An Ishtar is a HAC... The DPS from heavy drones is no more powerfull than any other races... except they can be killed. Learn to adapt.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.09 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Benito M
An Ishtar is a HAC... The DPS from heavy drones is no more powerfull than any other races... except they can be killed. Learn to adapt.
Id like to see you kill 15xOgreII and at the same time tank 500-600 dps until you can kill them all in anything except a fairly tanked battleship. I think youre full of it. Aye...
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Benito M
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Posted - 2008.02.09 13:12:00 -
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You ever flown a hac?
My deimos has nearly 700+ DPS and the full DPS of 5 Ogre IIs is around 490 iirc if you have MAX skills.
I dont get your point AT all.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.09 13:15:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Benito M
You ever flown a hac?
My deimos has nearly 700+ DPS and the full DPS of 5 Ogre IIs is around 490 iirc if you have MAX skills.
I dont get your point AT all.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU KILL 15XOGREII THAT A NANO ISHTAR HAS IN ANYTHING SMALLER THEN A BATTLESHIP WITHOUT DYING. THE POINT IS YOU CANNOT KILL ITS DRONES FAST ENOUGH SO YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT ABOUT DRONES BEING KILLABLE IS TOTALLY FUBAR.
Yes your deimos has 700 dps but not at 10-24km range mkay?
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Benito M
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Posted - 2008.02.09 13:21:00 -
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what ship?
BS = Smartbombs
Hac = I fly a deimos and it will easily eat up ogre IIs with web and blasters
Cruiser's = If your quick enough you can probably take some down depending on your setup, but your a cruiser against a HAC..
BC = Most BC's could easily tank that long enough to kill them
Frigs / Ceptors = Are going WAY to fast for an ogre to hit
You just dont know how to PVP imo, sorry...
And any decent Ishtar pilot is NOT fielding 15 Ogre II's.
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Lorz0r
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.02.09 13:34:00 -
[39]
Originally by: NoNah
There are a serie of misconceptions regarding that will simply never ever die as long as the caldari whinesquad rules the forums. They are by far the best, and most experienced ones. Like ninjas lurking and striking with backstabs injecting their propaganda in valid threads all over eve-online. Simple truths are void by the massive propaganda gone down through generations of the academies through out caldari space. The two most common ones are:
Heavy drones are NOT battleshipsized. This applies to tracking, signature resolution and damage.
Armortanking is NOT more cap efficient than shield tanking. It is in fact inferior in just about every aspect - short of slotlayout and fitting(different but fair).
This does not mean that heavy drones or armor tanks are imbalanced.
As for the ishtar with such a bonus, as already pointed out in thread, it would be overpowered. Right now, it can field a tank similiar to the one of a dominix, in all but pure explosive damage. Adding signature radius and movement - it tanks better, with very similiar damage. Giving it a rep bonus would render both the myrmid and domi largely useless.
The ishtar would however need more mass, and another turret hardpoint while awaiting a useful highslot module for droneboats.
The only way shield tanking is more efficient than armour tanking is using a shield boost amp. This fails because they take a load of CPU and another very precious mid slot which can be used for something better.
All the front line caldari ships don't have more than 6 mid slots - making it very difficult to do anything other than fit a tank which is why we're slow and can't tackle. You shrug off the slot layout of the tanks as nothing but it's probably the biggest single point that makes shield tanking WORSE than armour tanking.
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Moridin
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.09 14:44:00 -
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ffs. i want to keep the gun bonus.
i also want the ship fixed so i can fit guns and good tank.
serius the ishtar is the most cpu gimped HAC out there
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cytomatrix
Caldari
Comrades in Destruction
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Posted - 2008.02.09 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Benito M
An Ishtar is a HAC... The DPS from heavy drones is no more powerfull than any other races... except they can be killed. Learn to adapt.
Id like to see you kill 15xOgreII and at the same time tank 500-600 dps until you can kill them all in anything except a fairly tanked battleship. I think youre full of it. Aye...
Come to nonni if you would like a demonstration. I fly ishtar and i know how easy it is to kill ogres.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar
Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2008.02.09 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Benito M
what ship?
BS = Smartbombs
Hac = I fly a deimos and it will easily eat up ogre IIs with web and blasters
Cruiser's = If your quick enough you can probably take some down depending on your setup, but your a cruiser against a HAC..
BC = Most BC's could easily tank that long enough to kill them
Frigs / Ceptors = Are going WAY to fast for an ogre to hit
You just dont know how to PVP imo, sorry...
And any decent Ishtar pilot is NOT fielding 15 Ogre II's.
If your suggesting that a deimos, infamously the hardest HAC to tank with some pretty bad cap based problems, would run round trying to kill an ishtars wave after wave of drones rather than running away or trying to shred it on its own, then maybe you need to learn to PvP too ...
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.02.09 16:24:00 -
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HELL NO.
Please can we have no changes to the Ishtar. It is a very nice boat, great damage, (you CAN use the hybrid damage bonus quite well in PVP, both nano and plated fits), and fantastic slot layout, but limited by its drones being killable, its abominably poor CPU and grid, and its mediocre T2 bonuses.
Its a superb ship, does not need any changes.
Frankly, the same goes for the Deimos, but if it must be changed, then yes, -1 high, not low.
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Galyrion
Alcatraz Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2008.02.09 16:30:00 -
[44]
Ishtar needs a heavy hit with the nerfbat. Either in a way of reducing speed on the ship or nerfing polycarbons all together. Sure u can spend 5 min killing drones, but u will never catch the ship doing 4-5km/s. Ishtar with nanofit is eve on easymode atm.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.09 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Benito M
what ship?
BS = Smartbombs
Hac = I fly a deimos and it will easily eat up ogre IIs with web and blasters
Cruiser's = If your quick enough you can probably take some down depending on your setup, but your a cruiser against a HAC..
BC = Most BC's could easily tank that long enough to kill them
Frigs / Ceptors = Are going WAY to fast for an ogre to hit
You just dont know how to PVP imo, sorry...
And any decent Ishtar pilot is NOT fielding 15 Ogre II's.
Are we playing the same game or are you deliberatly pouring out bullzhit?
BS = Smartbombs, yeah the rare ones like tempest and alike might fit this because they have 2 utility slots. No ordinary pvp fit BS is fitting SB before a heavy neut.
Hac = Deimos chasing? I think not. Fail.
Cruisers = Ishtar webs it and it dies within seconds. Fail.
BC = Excuse me but what BC is tanking 500 dps and at the same time does more damage then a pea shooter? Fail.
Frigs = yeah they run, because they are faster. Thats about it.
Ok so he fields 5 mediums, 5 lights and 12 heavies. My point is still valid. You wont kill 12 Ogre IIs if youre in anything small then a battleship and are slower then the ishtar.
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.02.09 17:06:00 -
[46]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 09/02/2008 17:14:23
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 09/02/2008 17:09:13
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Benito M
what ship?
BS = Smartbombs
Hac = I fly a deimos and it will easily eat up ogre IIs with web and blasters
Cruiser's = If your quick enough you can probably take some down depending on your setup, but your a cruiser against a HAC..
BC = Most BC's could easily tank that long enough to kill them
Frigs / Ceptors = Are going WAY to fast for an ogre to hit
You just dont know how to PVP imo, sorry...
And any decent Ishtar pilot is NOT fielding 15 Ogre II's.
Are we playing the same game or are you deliberatly pouring out bullzhit?
BS = Smartbombs, yeah the rare ones like tempest and alike might fit this because they have 2 utility slots. No ordinary pvp fit BS is fitting SB before a heavy neut.
Hac = Deimos chasing? I think not. Fail.
Cruisers = Ishtar webs it and it dies within seconds. Fail.
BC = Excuse me but what BC is tanking 500 dps and at the same time does more damage then a pea shooter? Fail.
Frigs = yeah they run, because they are faster. Thats about it.
Ok so he fields 5 mediums, 5 lights and 12 heavies. My point is still valid. You wont kill 12 Ogre IIs if youre in anything small then a battleship and are slower then the ishtar.
web drones, shoot them 1 by 1, tank while your doing it?
you don't chase the ishtar you kill it's damage, that has to come to you in order to deal any damage.
don't chase the ishtar let the drones come to you till it decides to run. and if it tries to come closer to web you and make it easier to recall the drones then you hit it with all you've got.
your making it sound like drones are somehow hard to kill with web. and i'd say as the post above said, are we playing the same game?
nah, we are, it's just another ishtar "wtf it's overpowered" misconcieved reply, like the one you started off and then somehow forgetting that amarr is currently being boosted en masse.. and rightly so cause they needed it.
i guess it's a case of having whined for so long about amarr that when they finally start getting fixed you have to whine about something else
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.09 17:22:00 -
[47]
Originally by: 7shining7one7
I have no problems with the ishtar at its current state. I do have a problem with it getting love when it doesnt need anymore love that can be used with nano-fits.
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.02.09 17:31:00 -
[48]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 09/02/2008 17:34:37
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: 7shining7one7
I have no problems with the ishtar at its current state. I do have a problem with it getting love when it doesnt need anymore love that can be used with nano-fits.
oh yeah definately, i have an ishtar and it's fine the way it is i agree.
tbh i don't think ccp will listen to this proposal anyways, since we all know what would happen if it gets a repping bonus instead or whatever. which is why it has a near useless second bonus in the first place, to balance out the first.
that doesn't stop the pwnmobile lobbyists though
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Gunner Chick
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Posted - 2008.02.09 17:46:00 -
[49]
Quote:
Hybrid damage bonus replaced with armor rep bonus, Mass increased to put an end to nano-faggotry.
here here
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.02.09 17:55:00 -
[50]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 09/02/2008 17:55:07
Originally by: Gunner Chick
Quote:
Hybrid damage bonus replaced with armor rep bonus, Mass increased to put an end to nano-faggotry.
here here
uhm.. no..
"omg ccp nerf speed -> omg ccp nerf drones -> omg ccp nerf tank -> omg ccp nerf guns -> omgccp nerf uhm.. hp -> omg ccp nerf ewar -> omg ccp nerf high sp players -> omg ccp nerf.. "there's not much left bud, everything is the same now.. " oh.. screw this game i'm leaving.."
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Benito M
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Posted - 2008.02.09 20:14:00 -
[51]
@ Katarlia Simov
When my deimos is caught by an ishtar 1v1... and it has several times... I have no choice but to fight the drones, Ive never died to an ishtar 1v1, my drones alone tear ogres apart let alone if I get hold of one with web and blasters. Ishtar's generaly run away at this point. Ive had close calls with double nuet ishtar's, but an overloaded web and me quickly changing target to the ship after ive killed a few drones doesnt fair well for an ishtar (there cap isnt that crap) I can go into detail of how even activating /deactivating mwd causes drones to miss and move again before hitting a decent orbit works to if you like? (trust me, i know how to PVP)
@ Lyria Skydancer
BS - I always fit one when I have the slightest chance of fighting drone boats. Thats a lot these days with nanofits, so do a lot of people I know, JUST 1 SB on a BS is enough to render drones useless. I dont always fit one... but the point still stands.
BC - If you can't fit a Drake / Hurrican / Myrmidon / Harb. well enough to take out ogre IIs before they kill you... wtf?
HAC - See @ Katarlia Simov post. and ofcourse, when im outnumbered I run fast in a deimos. But 1v1 against a ship that has to send its drones to less than 1K.. anyway...
Spewing BS? seriously, get someone decent to teach you PVP... The ishtar along with most other ships need to be left alone.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.09 23:19:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Benito M
You ever flown a hac?
My deimos has nearly 700+ DPS and the full DPS of 5 Ogre IIs is around 490 iirc if you have MAX skills.
I dont get your point AT all.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU KILL 15XOGREII THAT A NANO ISHTAR HAS IN ANYTHING SMALLER THEN A BATTLESHIP WITHOUT DYING. THE POINT IS YOU CANNOT KILL ITS DRONES FAST ENOUGH SO YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT ABOUT DRONES BEING KILLABLE IS TOTALLY FUBAR.
Yes your deimos has 700 dps but not at 10-24km range mkay?
5x Ogre IIs with *MAX SKILLS* gives you 475 DPS (and who really has Gallente Drone Spec 5?).
Pop one drone, you're down to 380 DPS. Every time a drone has to be pulled back and docked, replaced, etc., you're losing average DPS over the course of the fight.
The Ishtar does *not* do "500-600" DPS. Stop talking out your ass.
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[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y
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Culitza
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Posted - 2008.02.10 01:15:00 -
[53]
5% armor rep bonus would suck ... you don't have enough PG-cpu to fit guns or nos/neuts and armor rep tank + cap booster and mwd .... this is silly. If they would do that ... they would need to massively increase its PG&cpu. If not ... then a 5% resists bonus should be in order
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.10 01:26:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Benito M
BS - I always fit one when I have the slightest chance of fighting drone boats. Thats a lot these days with nanofits, so do a lot of people I know, JUST 1 SB on a BS is enough to render drones useless. I dont always fit one... but the point still stands.
You do? Intresting because the pro-nano squad always says everyone fits heavy neuts rendering all nano's useless...
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Nuclear Warrior
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Posted - 2008.02.10 02:20:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Nuclear Warrior on 10/02/2008 02:24:08
Edited by: Nuclear Warrior on 10/02/2008 02:22:39
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Benito M
what ship?
BS = Smartbombs
Hac = I fly a deimos and it will easily eat up ogre IIs with web and blasters
Cruiser's = If your quick enough you can probably take some down depending on your setup, but your a cruiser against a HAC..
BC = Most BC's could easily tank that long enough to kill them
Frigs / Ceptors = Are going WAY to fast for an ogre to hit
You just dont know how to PVP imo, sorry...
And any decent Ishtar pilot is NOT fielding 15 Ogre II's.
BS = Smartbombs, yeah the rare ones like tempest and alike might fit this because they have 2 utility slots. No ordinary pvp fit BS is fitting SB before a heavy neut.
Hac = Deimos chasing? I think not. Fail.
Cruisers = Ishtar webs it and it dies within seconds. Fail.
BC = Excuse me but what BC is tanking 500 dps and at the same time does more damage then a pea shooter? Fail.
BS = if you arent tanking at least 600dps in a battleship, your doing it wrong. Only gankathrons should so much as care if it ran into an ishtar,
Hac = A deimos will probably lose to a ishtar because of its horrid tank. Most other ones? A cerberus would laugh at OgreII's one volley them then the Ishtar is screwed, as most cerbs are nanocerbs anyway.
Cruiser = T2>T1... I dont see a problem here
Battlecruisers = Well, the rigged myrm I fly tanks roughly 550dps and DPS's roughly 550dps (with blasters so those drones are no problem) And yes I will be taking 100 damage a second, but I will be 1 volleying those drones. So that gives me about 2 minutes or so before I go pop. I am happy with those odds, I wont be able to kill the Ishtar afterwards, but I will survive its onslaught and leave the pilot 15m odd worse off. *edit* Also, you dont need to do more than pea shooter dps, as a nano ishtar is not tanked as it relies on speed tanking, if you can tank its dps and track it with your guns, it is dead.
Frigates = They run up to the Ishtar, Web + scram and laugh mercilessly as its gang warps in and horribly mauls the ishtar which now cant escape and is moving >750m/s while its ogres play fools gold and the ishtar looks on hopelessly as its guns cant track the tackler. And if you say "this is solo", or "Assume the frigate isnt a nano-frig or isnt built for speed." a T1 300k hull cant beat a 100m T2 hull? Nothing seems wrong here.
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.02.10 02:39:00 -
[56]
yeah the only "bad" things about threads like this are that people grow increasingly aware of how exactly to effectively combat nano boats
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Miss Rumpelstilzchen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.10 02:57:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Frigs = yeah they run, because they are faster. Thats about it.
/quote
LoOoL
frigs with mwd .. are faster then a oger so, orbit at hmm 18km, scram u and waiting for support and u will die
have a nice day ;)
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.10 03:20:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Frigs = yeah they run, because they are faster. Thats about it.
LoOoL
frigs with mwd .. are faster then a oger so, orbit at hmm 18km, scram u and waiting for support and u will die
have a nice day ;)
Hell, my tank-fit Sacrilege outruns Ogre IIs with MWD. (Okay, almost)
They're REALLY slow.
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Posted - 2008.02.10 05:11:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Benito M
You ever flown a hac?
My deimos has nearly 700+ DPS and the full DPS of 5 Ogre IIs is around 490 iirc if you have MAX skills.
I dont get your point AT all.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU KILL 15XOGREII THAT A NANO ISHTAR HAS IN ANYTHING SMALLER THEN A BATTLESHIP WITHOUT DYING. THE POINT IS YOU CANNOT KILL ITS DRONES FAST ENOUGH SO YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT ABOUT DRONES BEING KILLABLE IS TOTALLY FUBAR.
Yes your deimos has 700 dps but not at 10-24km range mkay?
5x Ogre IIs with *MAX SKILLS* gives you 475 DPS (and who really has Gallente Drone Spec 5?).
Pop one drone, you're down to 380 DPS. Every time a drone has to be pulled back and docked, replaced, etc., you're losing average DPS over the course of the fight.
The Ishtar does *not* do "500-600" DPS. Stop talking out your ass.
IT DOES. You pop a drone the ishtar get out another. And two things will happen. Either the ishtar is far a way so it can **** off safely, or it is closeish and it doesn't take a lot to put the new ogre on the target.
Whoever says killing drones of a drone ship is now easier is mentally deficient and has never tried or is too blinded by their bias. If you are killing the drones you arent killing the ship. If you kill a drone, another will pop up from the infinite drone bay. Killing drones on drone boats? Losing proposition.
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Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.02.10 05:16:00 -
[60]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 10/02/2008 05:19:36
Originally by: S******dly Hater
Whoever says killing drones of a drone ship is now easier is mentally deficient and has never tried or is too blinded by their bias. If you are killing the drones you arent killing the ship. If you kill a drone, another will pop up from the infinite drone bay. Killing drones on drone boats? Losing proposition.
1/10
LOL infinite drone bay!
and yes you should go for the drones instead of the ishtar itself, to do otherwise will not diminish the dps on you and will be fighting a loosing battle.
the beauty of drone carriers is that the guns are mobile, the drawbacks are the "guns" can be killed and are not so easily retractable, especially when they are webbed and taken down 1 by 1, when you run out that's it.
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Nakamura San
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.10 11:29:00 -
[61]
i think the speed bonus on my Ishtar instead of damage bonus will be fine :P
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.10 13:48:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Nakamura San
i think the speed bonus on my Ishtar instead of damage bonus will be fine :P
Dream on. It'll never happen.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Eve University
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:25:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 10/02/2008 14:25:23
I think a CPU usage bonus to drone modules would be fine so I'm not running faction gear to get good cap regen/tank + 2x omnidirectional tracking links/insert other drone modules here - but that would make fitting the ship too easy, now wouldn't it, and we can't have anything to encourage people NOT to nano it, can we?
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:31:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Nakamura San
i think the speed bonus on my Ishtar instead of damage bonus will be fine :P
Dream on. It'll never happen.
it's called sarcasm lyria relax.. no it won't happen so take it easy *rrrrrrrrrrrUUFFF*
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Helldrek Demonstar
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2008.02.10 17:35:00 -
[65]
Yes, pretty please. Leave the deimos how it was, remove the dmg bonus and add the darn rep bonus to the ishtar aswell.
Mass increaasement can be nifty too, but then i won't have as much fun killing silly nanoishtars in my huginn...
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Nakamura San
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.12 14:03:00 -
[66]
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Nakamura San
i think the speed bonus on my Ishtar instead of damage bonus will be fine :P
Dream on. It'll never happen.
it's called sarcasm lyria relax.. no it won't happen so take it easy *rrrrrrrrrrrUUFFF*
yep. but just imagine how everyone around will **** in their pants if it happens xD *rofl*
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Kira Pasisson
Suicidal Intentions
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.12 14:20:00 -
[67]
hi
can someone plz explain this "nerf nanos" (after they have been nerfed already!!)
you got ships to counter speed-tankers (huginn, rapier, hyena...)...so look for a balanced gang, hyena ist not really hard to skill.....all those attempts to make ships in eve unique are really, really stupid...as this will decrease the tactical possibilities more and more, making eve more BORING... :( ....you see, lets nerf everything, this damn rook can jam every other ships in 1vs1, lets give the rook a shield boost bonus and take away the jammer-strength bonus.....oh and plz give some mass to the vagabond and change the speed bonus for a mining bonus....it will still be fast enough to keep the roids at range.....
one of eve's biggest strengths are the differenciated ships, so that you need to think how to get your gang working.....if this is too much, play RUNE, or doom2 :P
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Ferrosa
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.12 14:37:00 -
[68]
I tanked 4 ishtars, sabre, rapier and curse for over 2 minutes in my hyperion... In the end it died though, since I couldnt kill over 40 Ogre IIs (counting those in their bays too) fast enough :)
They sure do a lot of dmg with their Ogre IIs, but they can be killed when you kill the drones... My point is: a smart, experienced nano-ishtar can't get killed easily... It can always run away if it wants... and that shouldn't be possible imo!
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Kira Pasisson
Suicidal Intentions
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.13 11:55:00 -
[69]
so it can run away from a huginn? interesting, thought huginn can web 30-40km......each ship in eve can be countered
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.02.13 12:37:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Ferrosa
I tanked 4 ishtars, sabre, rapier and curse for over 2 minutes in my hyperion... In the end it died though, since I couldnt kill over 40 Ogre IIs (counting those in their bays too) fast enough :)
They sure do a lot of dmg with their Ogre IIs, but they can be killed when you kill the drones... My point is: a smart, experienced nano-ishtar can't get killed easily... It can always run away if it wants... and that shouldn't be possible imo!
How many Ogre II's did you kill? And how much isk did you loose when your ship blew up? So that was 7 vs 1 fight?
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.13 12:48:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Ferrosa
They sure do a lot of dmg with their Ogre IIs, but they can be killed when you kill the drones... My point is: a smart, experienced nano-ishtar can't get killed easily... It can always run away if it wants... and that shouldn't be possible imo!
Pay attention to the underlined part. Cannot be killed easily (true) does not equate can always run away if it wants.
At any rate, if you are not going to nano a Ishtar/etc, what's the point of the ship? You might just as well use a BC.
Giving it bonuses to tanking might encourage more people to tank them really.
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Amarr
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.13 13:17:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
At any rate, if you are not going to nano a Ishtar/etc, what's the point of the ship? You might just as well use a BC.
Because with some thought, careful fitting, and creativity, you can do some pretty scary things in an Ishtar OTHER than nano it.
People need to learn to think outside the box :(
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arbalesttom
Caldari
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.13 13:28:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Kira Pasisson
so it can run away from a huginn? interesting, thought huginn can web 30-40km......each ship in eve can be countered
except the minnie recons?
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Shereza
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Posted - 2008.02.13 15:10:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
At any rate, if you are not going to nano a Ishtar/etc, what's the point of the ship? You might just as well use a BC.
You know, that sounds like the best reason I've seen in this thread for an armor rep bonus, or at least for something about the ishtar to be changed.
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Splash Whale
Master Miners
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Posted - 2008.02.13 15:13:00 -
[75]
Originally by: arbalesttom
except the minnie recons?
zomg minnie recons overpowered, nerf!
Please try to fly the ishtar yourself before you start whining about it being overpowered. Unlike some of you, alot of people do know how to shoot drones and that can be a real pain in the ass.
Sure, it can disengage at will when it has a nanofit but that's also what nanofits are for. To get in fast and get out fast when you need to.
Lyria Skydancer I thought you were a forum warrior with a brain and when I first read your posts I thought you actualy had a clue, it turns out you're nothing more then just a mindless poster anyways. Quite sad.
The Ishtar isn't an I-Win ship as some of you like to believe. In my opinion the Sacriledge is the best nanoship available, yet nobody is whining about that one. Probably because you don't see them around that much and not alot of people get killed by them. If people get killed by a certain ship they like to make up excuses on how they died. "Man, that was a vagabond that engaged me.. Do you think I had any chance?" "Heh, that was a nanoboat.. No way I could have won"...
I get those sorts of hatemail from my victims from time to time, flaming me for being a nanofaggot. But is this any different then your passive tanked drake that's sitting on a gate all day and just jumps through when he get's shot at by something he can't take? You probably counter this by sticking a friend on the other side of the gate in a ship with a webber. Not that hard to do the same against any nanoship...
tl;dr
10% speed bonus per lvl instead of 5% hybrid damage please!
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Denga Vulture
The X-Trading Company
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:20:00 -
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Well i dont think CCP will change the 5 % damage bonus cos of its variations Vexor and Navy Vexor.
So we should speak about this ship slot / turret layout and its HAC bonus.
I think a 2 turret ishtar would do fine with only 4 highslots left.
The HAC range bonus is senseless to this ship, too and can easliy done with drone link augs.
So my perfect Ishtar would be a 4/5/6 with a 5/mbit Bandwidth Bonus , allowing it to spread 6 Drones at HAC lvl 5. Also a the Drone Bay bonus should be increased per level to counter drone killing.
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:54:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Wu Jiun on 13/02/2008 16:54:47
Ishtar is fine. Why can't people stop behaving like children? Whats next now: Boost the Vaga, boost the Huginn, boost the Sacrilege threads or what? There are a lot of ships that could need some help (hint: none of them was discussed in this thread) and you complain about the ishtar? Get a grip you morons.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:15:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Denga Vulture
Well i dont think CCP will change the 5 % damage bonus cos of its variations Vexor and Navy Vexor.
Bad logic. Look at the thorax and vigilant, both have the 5% MWD bonus. While it'd be a lot easier to use in the argument if it were the per-level bonus on the vigilant and the tracking bonus was the "special ability" they both have (at cruiser 5 for the thorax) a 25% damage bonus as well.
In a sense the T1 and faction thorax have the same two bonuses, same as the first two bonuses on the current deimos, and in all three variants the second T1 bonus is the MWD bonus, which is the one CCP is changing.
To me that honestly throws more wood on the fire for changing one of the T1 bonuses on the ishtar.
So we should speak about this ship slot / turret layout and its HAC bonus.
I think a 2 turret ishtar would do fine with only 4 highslots left.
Originally by: Denga Vulture
The HAC range bonus is senseless to this ship, too and can easliy done with drone link augs.
As strapped for CPU as the ishtar is that drone control bonus is a god-send. With the drone control bonus I can get an ishtar to be a mid-range drone sniper almost as good as the dominix. The dominix beats it due to raw fitting power despite needing a couple more slots to do it.
Originally by: Denga Vulture
So my perfect Ishtar would be a 4/5/6 with a 5/mbit Bandwidth Bonus , allowing it to spread 6 Drones at HAC lvl 5. Also a the Drone Bay bonus should be increased per level to counter drone killing.
I'd like to see a bandwidth bonus but I'd rather see it on the eos, same with the turret reduction if that's what it takes to get the bandwidth bonus.
As for the drone bay bonus, the ishtar at HAS 5 has the same drone space as the dominix, no? Seems like plenty to me unless you're going to want the dominix to get a boost to its bay as well. Of course that did sort of happen in the form of the sin I suppose as it has a 400m3 drone bay.
Originally by: Wu Jiun
Ishtar is fine. Why can't people stop behaving like children? Whats next now: Boost the Vaga, boost the Huginn, boost the Sacrilege threads or what? There are a lot of ships that could need some help (hint: none of them was discussed in this thread) and you complain about the ishtar? Get a grip you morons.
I personally am not complaining about the ishtar. I was simply proposing that if CCP is going to remove a moderately useful bonus and replace it with a less useful bonus on the deimos that, as a balance to gallente ships as a whole, they should replace a less useful bonus on another ship, the ishtar in this case (though a self-rep bonus on the exequror might be very useful too), with a moderately useful bonus.
Frankly, it was intended more as commentary and satire aimed at the deimos than an actual attempt to boost the ishtar.
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On a side note, replacing the ishtar's hybrid damage bonus with a rep bonus would likely bring it closer to what some people wanted from the eos than what they ever got. Just an idle thought.
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Justice Bringer
Minmatar
Space-Bar
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:34:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Shevar
Originally by: vespasian bold
I agree Ishtar does'nt need any changes,as for heavy drones being for a battleship,durrrrr,its a tech II ship!!!!!!
Why can't I fit torpedo's or cruise missiles on a sac then? It's t2 as well right?
Dude you're being silly plain and simple.
You can fit Cruise launchers on certain Frigates but of course I'm quite sure you didn't know that. Take a look in the market and look for a class of ship known as 'Stealth Bombers'. I have a 3 cruise launchers fitted to my Nemesis and it works well.
The Ishtar is supposed to be able to field all sorts of drones because guess what? Yes you've guessed it, it's a 'Drone Ship' and it's a unique ship in EVE compared to its other Vexor counterparts.
Next you'll be saying that the Deimos shouldn't have all those damage bonuses and be able to fit a full rack of Havy Neutron IIs in the high slots because you're not able to dispatch one on your own.
Stop whinning, moaning and complaining! Train your skills and enjoy EVE for what it is, a GAME.
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Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:58:00 -
[80]
+2-5% speed!
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:22:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 19/02/2008 11:23:04
Originally by: Splash Whale
Lyria Skydancer I thought you were a forum warrior with a brain and when I first read your posts I thought you actualy had a clue, it turns out you're nothing more then just a mindless poster anyways. Quite sad.
10% speed bonus per lvl is just insane. Tbh anything that helps it in nano fit would be insane to give the ishtar. Ishtars and vagabonds are pretty much the only hacs seen in space. There is a reason for this and you want to boost it even further?
No sacri isnt the best nano. It has pretty weak dps, the average ishtar does twice the damage of a sacri and is faster. Yea drones can be shot but your average target is dead before he can kill all your drones because of the overwhelming dps.
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Durethia
Momentum.
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Neena Valdi
While the idea sounds cool I highly doubt CCP will implement it. It will make ishtar overpowered.
After what those bozos did to the Deimos....
Nature of Compensation my friend. Give the Ishtar this bonus.
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Susa Ou
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:47:00 -
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when did consistancy every figure into the greater eve plan?
It has a hybrid bonus which. . .if you ever bothered to use it. . .is actually quite nice. Be thankful for what you have - srsly.
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Darth Felin
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Posted - 2008.02.19 12:13:00 -
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I don't think that it is a good idea to add an Ishtar a tanking bonus, it tanks very good even now. But it is damage bonus is silly of course with only 3 turrets. I have a different proposal. It is currently THE drone ship so give it additional bonus for the drones. Something along those lines:
5% bonus to drone speed per cruiser level
5% bonus to drone tracking per cruiser level
5% bonus to drone hitpoints per cruiser level
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Kusha'an
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.19 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sonja Vladomirovic
What I would like to see on Vexor/Ishtar/Dominix is a remote armor rep bonus instead of the turret bonus. They could be some well-tanked logistic ships, with a good dps (only based on the drones).
Btw: Nano-Ishtars are overpowered, they need some mass increasement love, or I will be a sad panda.
Cptn out.
You've obviously never heard of the Exequror/Oneiros.
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