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Nakamura San
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.10 11:29:00 -
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i think the speed bonus on my Ishtar instead of damage bonus will be fine :P
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.10 13:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Nakamura San
i think the speed bonus on my Ishtar instead of damage bonus will be fine :P
Dream on. It'll never happen.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Eve University
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 10/02/2008 14:25:23
I think a CPU usage bonus to drone modules would be fine so I'm not running faction gear to get good cap regen/tank + 2x omnidirectional tracking links/insert other drone modules here - but that would make fitting the ship too easy, now wouldn't it, and we can't have anything to encourage people NOT to nano it, can we?
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Nakamura San
i think the speed bonus on my Ishtar instead of damage bonus will be fine :P
Dream on. It'll never happen.
it's called sarcasm lyria  relax.. no it won't happen so take it easy *rrrrrrrrrrrUUFFF*
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Helldrek Demonstar
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2008.02.10 17:35:00 -
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Yes, pretty please. Leave the deimos how it was, remove the dmg bonus and add the darn rep bonus to the ishtar aswell.
Mass increaasement can be nifty too, but then i won't have as much fun killing silly nanoishtars in my huginn...
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Nakamura San
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.12 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Nakamura San
i think the speed bonus on my Ishtar instead of damage bonus will be fine :P
Dream on. It'll never happen.
it's called sarcasm lyria relax.. no it won't happen so take it easy *rrrrrrrrrrrUUFFF*
yep. but just imagine how everyone around will **** in their pants if it happens xD *rofl*
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Kira Pasisson
Suicidal Intentions
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.12 14:20:00 -
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hi
can someone plz explain this "nerf nanos" (after they have been nerfed already!!)
you got ships to counter speed-tankers (huginn, rapier, hyena...)...so look for a balanced gang, hyena ist not really hard to skill.....all those attempts to make ships in eve unique are really, really stupid...as this will decrease the tactical possibilities more and more, making eve more BORING... :( ....you see, lets nerf everything, this damn rook can jam every other ships in 1vs1, lets give the rook a shield boost bonus and take away the jammer-strength bonus.....oh and plz give some mass to the vagabond and change the speed bonus for a mining bonus....it will still be fast enough to keep the roids at range.....
one of eve's biggest strengths are the differenciated ships, so that you need to think how to get your gang working.....if this is too much, play RUNE, or doom2 :P
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Ferrosa
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.12 14:37:00 -
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I tanked 4 ishtars, sabre, rapier and curse for over 2 minutes in my hyperion... In the end it died though, since I couldnt kill over 40 Ogre IIs (counting those in their bays too) fast enough :)
They sure do a lot of dmg with their Ogre IIs, but they can be killed when you kill the drones... My point is: a smart, experienced nano-ishtar can't get killed easily... It can always run away if it wants... and that shouldn't be possible imo!
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Kira Pasisson
Suicidal Intentions
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.13 11:55:00 -
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so it can run away from a huginn? interesting, thought huginn can web 30-40km......each ship in eve can be countered
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.02.13 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ferrosa
I tanked 4 ishtars, sabre, rapier and curse for over 2 minutes in my hyperion... In the end it died though, since I couldnt kill over 40 Ogre IIs (counting those in their bays too) fast enough :)
They sure do a lot of dmg with their Ogre IIs, but they can be killed when you kill the drones... My point is: a smart, experienced nano-ishtar can't get killed easily... It can always run away if it wants... and that shouldn't be possible imo!
How many Ogre II's did you kill? And how much isk did you loose when your ship blew up? So that was 7 vs 1 fight?
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.13 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ferrosa
They sure do a lot of dmg with their Ogre IIs, but they can be killed when you kill the drones... My point is: a smart, experienced nano-ishtar can't get killed easily... It can always run away if it wants... and that shouldn't be possible imo!
Pay attention to the underlined part. Cannot be killed easily (true) does not equate can always run away if it wants.
At any rate, if you are not going to nano a Ishtar/etc, what's the point of the ship? You might just as well use a BC.
Giving it bonuses to tanking might encourage more people to tank them really.
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Ivan Kinsikor
Amarr
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.13 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
At any rate, if you are not going to nano a Ishtar/etc, what's the point of the ship? You might just as well use a BC.
Because with some thought, careful fitting, and creativity, you can do some pretty scary things in an Ishtar OTHER than nano it.
People need to learn to think outside the box :(
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arbalesttom
Caldari
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.13 13:28:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Kira Pasisson
so it can run away from a huginn? interesting, thought huginn can web 30-40km......each ship in eve can be countered
except the minnie recons?
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Shereza
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Posted - 2008.02.13 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
At any rate, if you are not going to nano a Ishtar/etc, what's the point of the ship? You might just as well use a BC.
You know, that sounds like the best reason I've seen in this thread for an armor rep bonus, or at least for something about the ishtar to be changed.
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Splash Whale
Master Miners
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Posted - 2008.02.13 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: arbalesttom
except the minnie recons?
zomg minnie recons overpowered, nerf!
Please try to fly the ishtar yourself before you start whining about it being overpowered. Unlike some of you, alot of people do know how to shoot drones and that can be a real pain in the ass.
Sure, it can disengage at will when it has a nanofit but that's also what nanofits are for. To get in fast and get out fast when you need to.
Lyria Skydancer I thought you were a forum warrior with a brain and when I first read your posts I thought you actualy had a clue, it turns out you're nothing more then just a mindless poster anyways. Quite sad.
The Ishtar isn't an I-Win ship as some of you like to believe. In my opinion the Sacriledge is the best nanoship available, yet nobody is whining about that one. Probably because you don't see them around that much and not alot of people get killed by them. If people get killed by a certain ship they like to make up excuses on how they died. "Man, that was a vagabond that engaged me.. Do you think I had any chance?" "Heh, that was a nanoboat.. No way I could have won"...
I get those sorts of hatemail from my victims from time to time, flaming me for being a nanofaggot. But is this any different then your passive tanked drake that's sitting on a gate all day and just jumps through when he get's shot at by something he can't take? You probably counter this by sticking a friend on the other side of the gate in a ship with a webber. Not that hard to do the same against any nanoship...
tl;dr
10% speed bonus per lvl instead of 5% hybrid damage please!
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Denga Vulture
The X-Trading Company
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:20:00 -
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Well i dont think CCP will change the 5 % damage bonus cos of its variations Vexor and Navy Vexor.
So we should speak about this ship slot / turret layout and its HAC bonus.
I think a 2 turret ishtar would do fine with only 4 highslots left.
The HAC range bonus is senseless to this ship, too and can easliy done with drone link augs.
So my perfect Ishtar would be a 4/5/6 with a 5/mbit Bandwidth Bonus , allowing it to spread 6 Drones at HAC lvl 5. Also a the Drone Bay bonus should be increased per level to counter drone killing.
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Wu Jiun on 13/02/2008 16:54:47
Ishtar is fine. Why can't people stop behaving like children? Whats next now: Boost the Vaga, boost the Huginn, boost the Sacrilege threads or what? There are a lot of ships that could need some help (hint: none of them was discussed in this thread) and you complain about the ishtar? Get a grip you morons.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Denga Vulture
Well i dont think CCP will change the 5 % damage bonus cos of its variations Vexor and Navy Vexor.
Bad logic. Look at the thorax and vigilant, both have the 5% MWD bonus. While it'd be a lot easier to use in the argument if it were the per-level bonus on the vigilant and the tracking bonus was the "special ability" they both have (at cruiser 5 for the thorax) a 25% damage bonus as well.
In a sense the T1 and faction thorax have the same two bonuses, same as the first two bonuses on the current deimos, and in all three variants the second T1 bonus is the MWD bonus, which is the one CCP is changing.
To me that honestly throws more wood on the fire for changing one of the T1 bonuses on the ishtar.
So we should speak about this ship slot / turret layout and its HAC bonus.
I think a 2 turret ishtar would do fine with only 4 highslots left.
Originally by: Denga Vulture
The HAC range bonus is senseless to this ship, too and can easliy done with drone link augs.
As strapped for CPU as the ishtar is that drone control bonus is a god-send. With the drone control bonus I can get an ishtar to be a mid-range drone sniper almost as good as the dominix. The dominix beats it due to raw fitting power despite needing a couple more slots to do it.
Originally by: Denga Vulture
So my perfect Ishtar would be a 4/5/6 with a 5/mbit Bandwidth Bonus , allowing it to spread 6 Drones at HAC lvl 5. Also a the Drone Bay bonus should be increased per level to counter drone killing.
I'd like to see a bandwidth bonus but I'd rather see it on the eos, same with the turret reduction if that's what it takes to get the bandwidth bonus.
As for the drone bay bonus, the ishtar at HAS 5 has the same drone space as the dominix, no? Seems like plenty to me unless you're going to want the dominix to get a boost to its bay as well. Of course that did sort of happen in the form of the sin I suppose as it has a 400m3 drone bay.
Originally by: Wu Jiun
Ishtar is fine. Why can't people stop behaving like children? Whats next now: Boost the Vaga, boost the Huginn, boost the Sacrilege threads or what? There are a lot of ships that could need some help (hint: none of them was discussed in this thread) and you complain about the ishtar? Get a grip you morons.
I personally am not complaining about the ishtar. I was simply proposing that if CCP is going to remove a moderately useful bonus and replace it with a less useful bonus on the deimos that, as a balance to gallente ships as a whole, they should replace a less useful bonus on another ship, the ishtar in this case (though a self-rep bonus on the exequror might be very useful too), with a moderately useful bonus.
Frankly, it was intended more as commentary and satire aimed at the deimos than an actual attempt to boost the ishtar.
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On a side note, replacing the ishtar's hybrid damage bonus with a rep bonus would likely bring it closer to what some people wanted from the eos than what they ever got. Just an idle thought.
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Justice Bringer
Minmatar
Space-Bar
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shevar
Originally by: vespasian bold
I agree Ishtar does'nt need any changes,as for heavy drones being for a battleship,durrrrr,its a tech II ship!!!!!!
Why can't I fit torpedo's or cruise missiles on a sac then? It's t2 as well right?
Dude you're being silly plain and simple.
You can fit Cruise launchers on certain Frigates but of course I'm quite sure you didn't know that. Take a look in the market and look for a class of ship known as 'Stealth Bombers'. I have a 3 cruise launchers fitted to my Nemesis and it works well.
The Ishtar is supposed to be able to field all sorts of drones because guess what? Yes you've guessed it, it's a 'Drone Ship' and it's a unique ship in EVE compared to its other Vexor counterparts.
Next you'll be saying that the Deimos shouldn't have all those damage bonuses and be able to fit a full rack of Havy Neutron IIs in the high slots because you're not able to dispatch one on your own.
Stop whinning, moaning and complaining! Train your skills and enjoy EVE for what it is, a GAME.
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ImmortaL ZoorZ
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:58:00 -
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+2-5% speed!
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 19/02/2008 11:23:04
Originally by: Splash Whale
Lyria Skydancer I thought you were a forum warrior with a brain and when I first read your posts I thought you actualy had a clue, it turns out you're nothing more then just a mindless poster anyways. Quite sad.
10% speed bonus per lvl is just insane. Tbh anything that helps it in nano fit would be insane to give the ishtar. Ishtars and vagabonds are pretty much the only hacs seen in space. There is a reason for this and you want to boost it even further?
No sacri isnt the best nano. It has pretty weak dps, the average ishtar does twice the damage of a sacri and is faster. Yea drones can be shot but your average target is dead before he can kill all your drones because of the overwhelming dps.
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Durethia
Momentum.
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Neena Valdi
While the idea sounds cool I highly doubt CCP will implement it. It will make ishtar overpowered.
After what those bozos did to the Deimos....
Nature of Compensation my friend. Give the Ishtar this bonus.
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Susa Ou
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:47:00 -
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when did consistancy every figure into the greater eve plan?
It has a hybrid bonus which. . .if you ever bothered to use it. . .is actually quite nice. Be thankful for what you have - srsly.
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Darth Felin
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Posted - 2008.02.19 12:13:00 -
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I don't think that it is a good idea to add an Ishtar a tanking bonus, it tanks very good even now. But it is damage bonus is silly of course with only 3 turrets. I have a different proposal. It is currently THE drone ship so give it additional bonus for the drones. Something along those lines:
5% bonus to drone speed per cruiser level
5% bonus to drone tracking per cruiser level
5% bonus to drone hitpoints per cruiser level
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Kusha'an
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.19 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sonja Vladomirovic
What I would like to see on Vexor/Ishtar/Dominix is a remote armor rep bonus instead of the turret bonus. They could be some well-tanked logistic ships, with a good dps (only based on the drones).
Btw: Nano-Ishtars are overpowered, they need some mass increasement love, or I will be a sad panda.
Cptn out.
You've obviously never heard of the Exequror/Oneiros.
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