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Tyrunedeth	Posted - 2008.02.08 00:32:00 - [1] I will just throw it there... why not give the assault frigates the role of counter nanoships / drones / fighters ? this is a specific role that would give to nanoships the right to exist (and maybe the right to slight buff even) and to AF a very appetible role as a hard counter to fast thigs. This will encourage people to fly them at the side of BSs like in a "real" fleet where the bigs need protection from quick-hard hitting vessels. How to do this is not easy, but maybe mixed bonuses... something like extreme tracking/explosion velocity webbers effectiviness AND range fast lock times, extreme resists and maybe tank BUT huge signature (this is to make them take huge dmg from big weapons but will make them able to stand against cruiser/frigate weapons). they should be vulnerable to battleships and not that much to HACs and cruisers Stealth bombers would obviously destroy the,
marie claude Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.08 00:37:00 - [2] /me scratches her head.you know the ishkur was perfect before it got nerfed.its still a good ship i fly mine a lot.its fine for hi sec plex running good to support a bs with in fleet.please dont ask ccp to 'fix' it any more than they have. trinity = EPIC FAIL
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.02.08 00:37:00 - [3] Stealing someone else's idea and adding my own. I think AF's should get Two role bonues. Immune to webs, 100% boost to afterburner speed. Make them awesome in wolfpacks, and VS larger ships. And doesn't really change much vs small ships.
Compendium	Posted - 2008.02.08 00:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Last Wolf Stealing someone else's idea and adding my own. I think AF's should get Two role bonues. Immune to webs, 100% boost to afterburner speed. Make them awesome in wolfpacks, and VS larger ships. And doesn't really change much vs small ships. Agreed!
Volzir Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.08 00:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Last Wolf Stealing someone else's idea and adding my own. I think AF's should get Two role bonues. Immune to webs, 100% boost to afterburner speed. Make them awesome in wolfpacks, and VS larger ships. And doesn't really change much vs small ships. This essentially makes them ridiculously fast nano-frigates without a need for MWD, and nearly unkillable by bigger ships. In fact, I think with these changes, a cruiser would be incapable of fighting an AF at all, let alone something like a BS. Member of the second best race in the galaxy.
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.02.08 01:10:00 - [6] Edited by: Last Wolf on 08/02/2008 01:10:48 AF's already have stupidly high amounts of mass for a frig. They're going to be going about 50% faster than a tech 1 frig with an AB. Secondly, there still completely vulnerable to drones, missiles, other AF/frigs nose/nuets, and snipers. Hell 1 heavy nuet will slow and AF to a crawl letting your drones chew it to pieces.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.02.08 01:31:00 - [7] /signed actually,this is a great idea. This is what happens when a kestrel with thermal missiles declares war on earth
Corstaad	Posted - 2008.02.08 17:28:00 - [8] AB speeds even if they gave it a 100% bonus would do nothing for it in PvP. Also I can't really see them making it webless because we'd have AF's becoming op'd and not solving core problems of the ship. Gaining the orginal 4th bonus back, reducing mass to T1 size, and maybe some sort group role. Taking away a rifters core ship bonus never made sense.
Red Harvest	Posted - 2008.02.08 18:34:00 - [9] Tbh i had a very different idea for the AFs, give them a much lower signature than they have now while at the same time introducing high-tracking lowish damage large guns for the BSs (or just change some of the ones we already got). That would turn them into heavy tacklers vs BSs while those get some decent weaponry vs the nano ships. Extra bonus is it wouldnt even make the BSs overpowered because they would have to give up some of the DPS which is quite a disadvantage in a BS vs BS situation.
Caios Caldari Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.08 19:19:00 - [10] +on making AFs useful -on giving them a role other than as a raw frigate sized combat vessel. The best fix is what everyone's been talking about for a while: some sort of web immunity (maybe not full, but something to give it survivability) and a real bonus/AB bonus. Then EVE would have honest to goodness fighters (not the Templar, the amarr fighter used by carriers), not just inties which have a totally different and well thought out role already.
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.02.08 20:05:00 - [11] New AF role bonus : Gains + 1% damage / AF in gang Gains + 1% resist / AF in gang etc :)
Cleric JohnPreston	Posted - 2008.02.08 20:20:00 - [12] some great ideas which of course ccp will ignore!
Temujin Ka Amarr Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters	Posted - 2008.02.08 20:32:00 - [13] I like the web immunity idea a lot. That would actually encourage them to fit high dmg short range weapons while still maintaining survivability at close range.
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation	Posted - 2008.02.08 20:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Trevor Warps New AF role bonus : Gains + 1% damage / AF in gang Gains + 1% resist / AF in gang etc :) lol i can see that working well for the goons with 300+ wolf's/Jag's in 1 massive gang. I like the whole make them web immune since they still have a small cap easy to counter with a med neut never mind a large and still easy for drone's to kill them. Death is great rember where all dying to get there.
Edmund Khan Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.09 10:36:00 - [15] Originally by: Last Wolf Stealing someone else's idea and adding my own. I think AF's should get Two role bonues. Immune to webs, 100% boost to afterburner speed. Make them awesome in wolfpacks, and VS larger ships. And doesn't really change much vs small ships. this... signed :)

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