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Kurt Gergard Caldari Sons of Gehenna	Posted - 2008.02.09 21:59:00 - [1] I'm quite new to eve but realy enjoy this game. After a few months of skilling I reached the bs lvl and now I don't have a goal. I mean I still got about 10 months of skilling to be able to fly the rokh in the all out way but than what? I like big ships with lots of guns/missiles. I though that after the bs level you skill dreads and other big ships but as I read this forum I see that those are niche fleet ships which surely require in game skills and pilot skils but are not as versile as bs - you can do a lot of diffrent things with it while the capitals have a rather determind role - and generaly the fire power is not as impressiv as I thought. Do you have any suggestions what should my goal now be? I want moooore fire power :D "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
Hank Soral	Posted - 2008.02.09 22:01:00 - [2] train skills to fly it well, i'm willing to bet your setup and skills suck
Kurt Gergard Caldari Sons of Gehenna	Posted - 2008.02.09 22:03:00 - [3] TBH no... I fly a t2 fitted raven atm and almost t2 fitted rokh (yes those are the only ships that I can truly fly but those were my goals from the beginning) "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
Joseph 9 Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.02.09 22:11:00 - [4] Well instead of skills you could look at getting different ships. Say start working towards faction battleships? Away from that look at HACs and Command ships, less damage maybe but more versatility and different niches open up.
Kyanzes Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.02.09 22:37:00 - [5] Focus on learning all skills needed to fly ALL the four Titans at L5. --------------------------------------------- GET TO THE CHOPPA!!!
Kurt Gergard Caldari Sons of Gehenna	Posted - 2008.02.09 22:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Joseph 9 Well instead of skills you could look at getting different ships. Say start working towards faction battleships? Away from that look at HACs and Command ships, less damage maybe but more versatility and different niches open up. Forgot to mention that I fly a faction fitted cruise cnr (cool mission ship :)) The titan idea is very interesting ... evemon says about 2 years :D "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2008.02.09 22:57:00 - [7] what about T2 battle ships like the golem ----------------------------------------------- "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation."
Ecky X Your Assets Relocated	Posted - 2008.02.09 23:35:00 - [8] How about non-Caldari ships? They aren't really known for their DPS...
Stuart Price Caldari Havoc Inc Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.09 23:41:00 - [9] Does your Rokh have t2 large blasters and maxed gunnery support (Rapid Fire, Controlled Bursts etc) skills? If the answer is, "Sir no SIR", you have a new goal. If you think blasters on a Rokh is silly you haven't done enough small gang pvp in lowsec. Or met mine. Or pick something you want to specialise in, such as interceptors, e-war support, logistics (badly, badly underrated imho), sniping etc and get all the relevant skills to 5. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Visera V2	Posted - 2008.02.09 23:50:00 - [10] I know not everyone sees things the same way, but me personaly, i think BS's are boring to fly. I Have much more fun in interceptors. HAC's and logistics are cool too. There are so many fun ships to fly that i can't see myself running out of stuff i really want to train. As i can tell from your one post, you like to do missions, but i don;t know if you pvp at all, if not, try it....make isk to buy ships, go and lose those ship and gain experiance for pvp. you'll never be the absolute best at pvp, so that will give you something to strive towards, getting better! hope ya figure out what you wanna do soon :)
Kurt Gergard Caldari Sons of Gehenna	Posted - 2008.02.09 23:52:00 - [11] As I stated I need some more months of training for rokh ( mainly blaster rokh the idea is in line with moooore fire power ) my vision is t2 heavy blasters with null. "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
Breed Love FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.10 00:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Kurt Gergard TBH no... I fly a t2 fitted raven atm and almost t2 fitted rokh (yes those are the only ships that I can truly fly but those were my goals from the beginning) Wrong. You need atleast one year of training to use a battleship decently and atleast two years to use it really well. Until you have battleship 5, all shield tanking skills at 5, armor skills at 5 (in case you armor tank your raven ;)), cap skills at 5, drone skills at 5, electronics skills at 5, navigation skills at 4 atleast (not really critical unless you nanofag it), gunnery/missile spec atleast 4, etc, you should stfu and train those skills. ----- Originally by: Zhulik I thought Premium graphics were supposed to fix that bug where people were trying to salvage Minmatar ships.
Koryvarn Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2008.02.10 00:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: Kurt Gergard TBH no... I fly a t2 fitted raven atm and almost t2 fitted rokh (yes those are the only ships that I can truly fly but those were my goals from the beginning) Wrong. You need atleast one year of training to use a battleship decently and atleast two years to use it really well. Until you have battleship 5, all shield tanking skills at 5, armor skills at 5 (in case you armor tank your raven ;)), cap skills at 5, drone skills at 5, electronics skills at 5, navigation skills at 4 atleast (not really critical unless you nanofag it), gunnery/missile spec atleast 4, etc, you should stfu and train those skills. If everyone did that before getting into a ship we'd all have quit of boredom a long time ago. Getting all skills to 5 is overkill for a new character. 4 is more than enough for most purposes, which only takes a few months and then you either specialise in a certain ship(s), or go to 5.
WardogX Minmatar Outkasts	Posted - 2008.02.10 01:41:00 - [14] Eve is a game that favors having a good goal in mind for flying a ship. If you over generalize (like I did) it takes you very very long to get good any a few of the things you eventualy grow to like I started eve wanting to fly ever battleship race and i did.. (tons of wasted time there) then I specialized on amarr and went full amarr battleship L5 and t2 large beam & pulse and high drone skills. It was fun but then lots of amarr hate + boredom made me specialize on gallente so i went full gallente battleship 5 and t2 large blaster & rail for a change of scenery.. and I really enjoyed that since many of my core skills worked with both gallente/amarr (armor tanking and cap skills)... then I got bored with that so I went carrier ship (since i had great drone skills for fighters)... then I figured hell I am nothing more then a couple skills from a dreadnaought too .. so i went there too. Later I went both flavors of commandships for amarr/gallente too. Battleship isnt the end of the road once you master it. The cool part of eve is meeting those long term goals.. at 1st when you see 200-300 days worth of skills trains you laugh and figure it will never happen.. but before you know it at the end of the year you met those goals and its time to start thinking about "what else do I wanna do?". That question can only be answered to you... capitals could be an option... maybe minmatar bs's? maybe commandships? maybe go into exploration? lots of paths but only you know whats worth the time investment. In the end I can do lots of different things.. so when I get bored I go back to doin what i was doin a couple years back (ships, activities, etc)... also after a while all those pre-req level 5 skills you got to diversify really pay off on new ship fittings in unusual ways... you start lookin at specializing in a new acivity in eve and you start to find.. o.. nice I already for this level 5 from before (so you save a lot of time going into new areas.) I would say your next specialization of ship should work well with the skills you have if you want to get there quickly.. look at what you can fly next with least amount of training.. that interests you.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.02.10 02:13:00 - [15] Edited by: Erotic Irony on 10/02/2008 02:14:10 Originally by: Breed Love Originally by: Kurt Gergard TBH no... I fly a t2 fitted raven atm and almost t2 fitted rokh (yes those are the only ships that I can truly fly but those were my goals from the beginning) Wrong. You need atleast one year of training to use a battleship decently and atleast two years to use it really well. Until you have battleship 5, all shield tanking skills at 5, armor skills at 5 (in case you armor tank your raven ;)), cap skills at 5, drone skills at 5, electronics skills at 5, navigation skills at 4 atleast (not really critical unless you nanofag it), gunnery/missile spec atleast 4, etc, you should stfu and train those skills. diminishing returns called, they want Delve back edit: OP is better off pimping his HAC skills, better mobility and relative ease of invention make them more practical than simply bigger ships ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Tarron Sarek Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.02.10 02:18:00 - [16] Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 10/02/2008 02:19:25 Threads like this make me feel sick. Or maybe it's Achura avatars? Ah well, anyways.. Originally by: Kurt Gergard I'm quite new to eve but realy enjoy this game. After a few months of skilling I reached the bs lvl and now I don't have a goal. (..) I fly a t2 fitted raven atm and almost t2 fitted rokh (yes those are the only ships that I can truly fly but those were my goals from the beginning). (..) Forgot to mention that I fly a faction fitted cruise cnr. Thanks a lot for those lines. Guess I'll put these quotes to good use the next time one of the 'new players need a boost' threads comes up again. ___________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well - Please stop using the word 'nerf' Nothing spells 'incompetence' or 'don't take me serious' like those four letters
Breed Love FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.10 02:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Koryvarn If everyone did that before getting into a ship we'd all have quit of boredom a long time ago. Getting all skills to 5 is overkill for a new character. 4 is more than enough for most purposes, which only takes a few months and then you either specialise in a certain ship(s), or go to 5. I didnt say you need that to get into a ship, I said you need that to pilot it decently (or well with most skills at 5, which normally comes after 2 years of specialized training). OP is acting like he already finished training for bs and is uber, which he obviously is not. Basically, he has a lot training left to do before he can say he achieved his goal of piloting his bs well. ----- Originally by: Zhulik I thought Premium graphics were supposed to fix that bug where people were trying to salvage Minmatar ships.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.02.10 02:59:00 - [18] Breed Love, I agree. It's a common misconception that fitting a ship 'full T2' is endgame. ___________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well - Please stop using the word 'nerf' Nothing spells 'incompetence' or 'don't take me serious' like those four letters
WardogX Minmatar Outkasts	Posted - 2008.02.10 03:31:00 - [19] Edited by: WardogX on 10/02/2008 03:32:45 Originally by: Tarron Sarek Breed Love, I agree. It's a common misconception that fitting a ship 'full T2' is endgame. Nothing is "end game" in eve... its a game that never ends.. more so then any other mmo on market.. cause you literally can keep training and training and training. T2 is just cheaper then fully deadspace/officer fitted ships and make it easier to risk in pvp and such and still has a very nice punch for the price. Its also easier to "fit" (cpu/grid) then officer anything. Nice faction gear is easier to fit over t2 but in some cases, faction can be better or worse then t2 variety. So unless you drop some real coin on deadspace/officer its "generally" worth training for t2 (in most cases). I think training to t2 is a generally a good rule of thumb as a goal. All too often I see new comers substituting isk to buy faction/deadspace/officer mods as a way to get out of skill training time requirements for t2. Always pays off to be well trained even if you go deadspace/officer loot route to make things even more effective (if you spend 1-10 bill per mod you should be using it to 100% of its ability). Only time T2 training doesn't pay off is if you know you will be using best deadspace/officer gear after your done training.. cause t2 items that require specialization skills.... (like t2 ships or t2 mods like turrets)... are wasted skill train time if you wind up switching later. You just got to keep goals in perspective.
Corstaad	Posted - 2008.02.10 03:41:00 - [20] Edited by: Corstaad on 10/02/2008 03:41:59 If your new to EvE you don't have your BS max'd. I'm 9months in and don't have my rifter max'd.
pushdogg Minmatar Kernkraft 400	Posted - 2008.02.10 03:56:00 - [21] if you want something new to pilot, train for something new. i really dislike when i see a player a few moths old bragging about their cnr's, i have been playing for over a year and a half, and have owned and lost ONE bs, and dont intend to be in a bs until i have reached an undisclosed and unforeseeable benchmark. i find it hard to believe that the OP has no skills that need to be trained on behalf of his "faction cnr", and furthermore urge him to bring said cnr to my section of space, where i could probably setup a t1 BC to rip it to shreds......hence giving him a new goal.... best sig ever:) Originally by: Soul Harvestor You're an idiot.
Sniggerdly Hater	Posted - 2008.02.10 04:59:00 - [22] Originally by: Ecky X How about non-Caldari ships? They aren't really known for their DPS... another Failpost. raven and golem do way too much damage now an d rokh outsnipe htem all. this dps whine is fail. 0/10
mercyonman	Posted - 2008.02.10 07:12:00 - [23] ok what i plan to do is learn how to fly every caldari ship up to bs this will give me everything i need in order to do his game perfectly cause with a golem you can kick some mighty fine ass 100%+ dmg to all weapons btu only 4 slots still thats good and that means i can do 1400 dmg with my torps soo yea then you got black ops same thing as covert but the class is a bs and has the same traits plus some more advanteges then you got command ships yes they are bc but with the right setup you can have 2000 dps in that ship also you have the manticore uncloak lock launch bombs cloak go to station reload unclock fire cloak i mean there are endless things you can do in eve even though the game was made on accident but when tey finally looked as it as a game they decided to make it never ending so you will always have goals following these giude lines and every shi[ has a fleet niche not just the dreads
Compendium	Posted - 2008.02.10 07:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Kurt Gergard I'm quite new to eve but realy enjoy this game. After a few months of skilling I reached the bs lvl and now I don't have a goal. I mean I still got about 10 months of skilling to be able to fly the rokh in the all out way but than what? I like big ships with lots of guns/missiles. I though that after the bs level you skill dreads and other big ships but as I read this forum I see that those are niche fleet ships which surely require in game skills and pilot skils but are not as versile as bs - you can do a lot of diffrent things with it while the capitals have a rather determind role - and generaly the fire power is not as impressiv as I thought. Do you have any suggestions what should my goal now be? I want moooore fire power :D Another goal could be to train to use the T2 ships which tend to have significantly better dps and survivability than their T1 versions.
Kurt Gergard Caldari Sons of Gehenna	Posted - 2008.02.10 07:37:00 - [25] Edited by: Kurt Gergard on 10/02/2008 07:40:25 Edited by: Kurt Gergard on 10/02/2008 07:38:03 Originally by: Breed Love OP is acting like he already finished training for bs and is uber, which he obviously is not. Basically, he has a lot training left to do before he can say he achieved his goal of piloting his bs well. I never said that I was uber. But maxing out those bs skills(support gunnery(rail blaster) seems to be not that far away (probalby 7-10 months as I look at the skill plan) just was wondering what then that's all. Also the phrase quite new led to some misconceptions. I am quite new but quite new in the sense under 1 year Originally by: pushdogg if you want something new to pilot, train for something new. i really dislike when i see a player a few moths old bragging about their cnr's, i have been playing for over a year and a half, and have owned and lost ONE bs, and dont intend to be in a bs until i have reached an undisclosed and unforeseeable benchmark. i find it hard to believe that the OP has no skills that need to be trained on behalf of his "faction cnr", and furthermore urge him to bring said cnr to my section of space, where i could probably setup a t1 BC to rip it to shreds......hence giving him a new goal. see above. And taking it to low sec? Not a lot of people solo pvp in a cnr a least that is what I heard ;P edit:spelling edit2some things were not clear "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
Caligulus Legion of Lost Souls	Posted - 2008.02.10 07:55:00 - [26] Suggestion of the day. Don't post in a publicly viewable area that you fly a faction fit CNR that a fair number of pirate corps are very good at ganking these days. Don't believe me? Hang out in any Caldari mission hub for a day. I saw some clown braging about his fit in local a few days ago and saw his wreck on the gate a few hours later. Don't think it can't be done. It's far easier then you think to gank a faction BS before concord intervenes. As for a new goal? Get proficient with the T2 BS roles (Marauder and Black Ops). Perhaps work on something with a heavy tank like a command ship. Cap ships are as you've pointed out, role specific and while the carrier is still very versatile it's in a losing battle with the devs and their nerf bat. If none of those options floats your boat then perhaps eve isn't for you. This game is more then about big guns. It's about strategy and team work. ------------------------------------------------- ** You're out of your mind! ** Well that's between me and my mind.
Osric Wuscfrea Gallente Icarus' Wings Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.02.10 09:15:00 - [27] More training required... -- Rgds Mike Dead-Fish, Deep Sea Daddies...
Kurt Gergard Caldari Sons of Gehenna	Posted - 2008.02.10 09:20:00 - [28] Edited by: Kurt Gergard on 10/02/2008 09:20:40 OOO the black ops seems to be a good idea. And when I run missions it's far away from caldari space ;P edit: SPELLING ONCE AGAIN ! "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.02.10 09:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Kurt Gergard I'm quite new to eve but realy enjoy this game. After a few months of skilling I reached the bs lvl and now I don't have a goal. I mean I still got about 10 months of skilling to be able to fly the rokh in the all out way but than what? I like big ships with lots of guns/missiles. I though that after the bs level you skill dreads and other big ships but as I read this forum I see that those are niche fleet ships which surely require in game skills and pilot skils but are not as versile as bs - you can do a lot of diffrent things with it while the capitals have a rather determind role - and generaly the fire power is not as impressiv as I thought. Do you have any suggestions what should my goal now be? I want moooore fire power :D If you want MOAR DPS for mission running you can consider branching out to amarr and getting a nightmare. Mucho more DPS then a raven but rather limited to amarr only missions (lasers don't work that well against gurista's, angels and serpentis). Other thing you can do is properly spec into caldari, if you are relatively new I in no way believe you got most of your skills even for the raven to level5. If you are interested in PvP you can choose to learn caldari t2 ships (recons, command ships, inties etc.). --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
CaperPuts Minmatar Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2008.02.10 10:04:00 - [30] I'd recommend cross training to either a Sleipnir or Astarte. They're both incredibly fun ships. I used to only fly Battleships and I finally trained Command Ships. Don't regret it at all. They're amazing.

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