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Fetty Chico	Posted - 2004.03.30 20:50:00 - [31] Quote: You will drop guns and modules anyways, so there is always a few millions of profit for the pirate. if it be a miner,ya get nuthin but miner 2s and co-processors take it from experiance ------------------------------------------------ Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly. If this world was supposed to be friendly CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons
Corpus Kristi	Posted - 2004.03.30 21:09:00 - [32] Self destruct ---> Two fingered salute ---> New Clone
Lord Armagon	Posted - 2004.03.30 22:04:00 - [33] Quote: I say dont pay,they will blow you up any way even if you pay just to satisfie the own sick mind This is just so sad and to show you how wrong you are i will show you this log that happend less then 10 minutes ago. This guy is caught in his caracal and scrambled. he says he will pay, i tell him to stop his ship. his ship slows down and sudenly he is gone from local. I ofcource blows his caracal to start dust and pick up his loot. 3 min later i get this convo. ------------------------------------------------------------ Channelname: Joe's Load conversation Listener: Zarquon Beeblebrox Session started: 2004.03.30 21:40:23 ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 2004.03.30 21:40:41 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > why did you log of ? [ 2004.03.30 21:40:44 ] Joe's Load > why did yo blow me up i had to **ch to my main charcter to get the money [ 2004.03.30 21:40:53 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > you loged of [ 2004.03.30 21:40:59 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > you cant do that [ 2004.03.30 21:41:04 ] Joe's Load > i had to switch character [ 2004.03.30 21:41:05 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > its a trick everyone tries [ 2004.03.30 21:41:09 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > you should have told me [ 2004.03.30 21:41:21 ] Joe's Load > that ***** sucks [ 2004.03.30 21:41:33 ] Joe's Load > i roght 1.5 actuallt [ 2004.03.30 21:41:40 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > when you do that your ship disapeares after a litle while [ 2004.03.30 21:41:46 ] Joe's Load > i was goning to pay you that [ 2004.03.30 21:41:53 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > and its a normal trick ppl try to not pay up [ 2004.03.30 21:42:11 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > whats your insurence pay out ? [ 2004.03.30 21:42:14 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > 4.2mil ? [ 2004.03.30 21:42:30 ] Joe's Load > i had silvar [ 2004.03.30 21:42:35 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > and it pays out ? [ 2004.03.30 21:42:42 ] Joe's Load > i got 3. something [ 2004.03.30 21:43:01 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > a caracal goes for 4.2mil now. you got 3. ill give you 1mil and keep your loot [ 2004.03.30 21:43:14 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > and thats the nicest thing a pirate ever will do [ 2004.03.30 21:43:16 ] Joe's Load > ok thanks [ 2004.03.30 21:43:20 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > and never log of again like that [ 2004.03.30 21:43:38 ] Joe's Load > thanks i will have the money on me fro know on [ 2004.03.30 21:43:43 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > when that happend we insta kill [ 2004.03.30 21:43:44 ] Joe's Load > ok [ 2004.03.30 21:43:58 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > cant beleve i just did this =) [ 2004.03.30 21:44:02 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > safe travles mate [ 2004.03.30 21:44:12 ] Joe's Load > thanks a million lol [ 2004.03.30 21:44:17 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > =) [ 2004.03.30 21:44:18 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > cya [ 2004.03.30 21:44:22 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > next time dont log [ 2004.03.30 21:44:23 ] Joe's Load > cya And now he is probably lauging his ass out in his corp for that stupid pirate falling for this...
Isiana	Posted - 2004.03.30 22:16:00 - [34] Quote: Self destruct ---> Two fingered salute ---> New Clone lol when the pirate sees the 120 sec timer to selfdestruct message he will just kill u and take the loot , Nub Carebear\|Me Alts
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb	Posted - 2004.03.30 23:23:00 - [35] LOL! I'd rather keep an eye on local and NOT put myself in a situation where I have to "decide" on something like this. It's worked for me for 9mos. Greed and Laziness on the part of the "victim" are the major contributors to getting yourself snatched up. Posting for Numbnutz
Skelator	Posted - 2004.03.31 00:24:00 - [36] Quote: wow someone legit-pirated you and you are whining... Im very curious what you would do in this situation Negotiator? Although I got a gut feeling you would go down with your Gun batteries still firing.. They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards
Emperor Wolverine	Posted - 2004.03.31 05:01:00 - [37] Edited by: Emperor Wolverine on 31/03/2004 05:09:53 Next time put 3-4 warp core stablizers and than some ECM modules and you will never have to pay nor lose your ship. Its all about how you demonstrate your smarter than a monkey.
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.03.31 06:09:00 - [38] Edited by: Negotiator on 31/03/2004 06:12:46 a) i would never be in a situation like that :P. b) call for backup, try to tank for as long as possible(if no guns, no ECM and such). c) sit there and loose the ship. why? because im a fighter, not a pirate, and not a miner >.> also im a damn poor one at that, and when im not poor im extreemly cheap. also if i ever paid it would be like forum things with posting screenshots and stuff (remember *****cat?). If someone held up my alt i would pay most likely. ummm forgot to summarize the point i was trying to make. for a miner, paying is normal and smart most of the time. for a pirate its also smart cuz pirates are after money. for a fighter its...not...because honor > money in that case.
vanBuskirk	Posted - 2004.03.31 07:02:00 - [39] Quote: ok so peeps ***** and moan when they get ganked at a gate. ok. pirates start asking for tolls. peeps start moaning again cuz they dont want pirates to camp gates. so pirates start ransoming at belts. no, still not good. what do u want pirates to do, sit in Yulai wacking their monkey and beggin for ISK? Yes, that would do nicely. Or better still get the hell out of EVE. ---------------------------------------------- "Violence is the last resort of the incompetent". ----------------------------------------------
Bogenhagen	Posted - 2004.03.31 07:14:00 - [40] If I get completely locked down by pirates, I deserver to have my ship destroyed . But there's no way I'm gonna pay a pirate anything, it's just unethical. Rule 1: Don't use anything you can't afford to lose.
DampJim	Posted - 2004.03.31 07:14:00 - [41] i think ppl who gets killed by pirates in 0.0 are just lame when they whine about it. When u are in 0.0 u are in NON SECURE space. U shall know that it is a possibility that a pirate comes to try and kill u when u mine. It nothing to whine about when a pirate says like "20 mill or ur corpse" its just to pay up if u want to live. I got killed and podded in my badger mark 1 in aurohunen once. By a gatecamper...... but hey.... its the game. Just learn to live with it. I have never been in 0.0 space for long time but i can understand the pirates (and m0o) when ppl just whine when they are killed. JUST LIVE WITH IT DAMMIT ------------------------------------------ Reallife.dll is not found..... The Xel'Naga Corp forums (ingame to register) #xel'naga @ quakenet.org
Siddy	Posted - 2004.03.31 07:58:00 - [42] Edited by: Siddy on 31/03/2004 08:03:44 Quote: It's up to you if you don't want to pay, but you lose a lot more money and time that way. You will drop guns and modules anyways, so there is always a few millions of profit for the pirate. Some other ppl who have done "the math", too, want to pay, but your attitude makes it impossible for them, because pirates won't even bother asking. Btw. if you really want to hurt a pirate's wallet, why not shoot back? ;) so true - if i start to ask money, guess what i get? Siddy > pay or die! mister X > sorry i dont speak so good english.. i am from [insert a country here] sigh its shoot first ask later - because its just stupid to pay anyway - inshurance will cover theyr loses - only if the BS is uninshured - and the worst case scanaio is that the vicktim log off - ofcorse if hes scrambled the ship will not warp away, but here u can se an examples for the attitude towards pirating we realy got no choise exept killing em at the tracks -------------------------------------------
Fager	Posted - 2004.03.31 08:32:00 - [43] **** happens! Live with it... Its a game ffs... Pirats make the day fun as we need to think some to get around them... Imagine Eve with just NPC spawning pirates.... FFS Bows to all who take on the difficult job if pirats You make eve an more exciting world to live in! "I can predict the movement of the stars but not the madness of men" Xel'Naga Forums (ingame to register):http://www.spiderweb.se/xnc
Adriana	Posted - 2004.03.31 08:46:00 - [44] 4-5 warp stabs, face a warpable object, and the second a pirate enters the system, warp and log. Don't wait around for him to say hi. Barring that, warp to an object and call in reinforcements. Either way, forget about fighting. You CAN'T fight a dedicated PvP set up when you are set up for mining. Not effectively anyway. Thats what these pirates count on. So either log, call in back up, or at the very least hit a station and refit for battle. If you know what you are doing and it's one on one, you might stand a chance if you get a combat rig and then return. If you stop paying attention for a bit and get a face to face with him, the warp stabs should keep him from locking you down. Two finger salute while running like hell. I've never been in 0.0 myself, but there are multiple posts about this stuff. They all say pretty much what I've written above. If you are only worried about NPC rats you can get away with as few as 2 warp stabs in most cases. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. -Napoleon Bonaparte
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2004.03.31 10:10:00 - [45] Quote: "If" you want piracy of this kind to stop What kind of piracy would that be? Piracy where we give u an option, or would you prefer us to just blow u up no questions asked? Or piracy in general, EVE should become carebare land where we all hold hands in an astroid belt and mine veldspar, or travel through 50 jumps of 0.0 AFK happy in the knowlage that no one will kill us! I think this is a crucial point. It will lead to more killing. In fact, the pirate is there to kill you. By giving you a chance, she's being very generous. Your choice to take it or not. I know I'll enjoy my work either way. You decide if you want to keep your ship and implants.
Kikapu	Posted - 2004.03.31 11:12:00 - [46] Yes, we pirates have a hard time making the people we ransom actually pay. This is what the whining should be about, but like most of u, i dont like whining. I have experienced that if the pirates (at least works for me) lower the price a bit, they will get people to pay. When i ransom i usually do it like this: any cruiser: 2 mill lvl1 bs: 10 mill lvl2 bs: 20 mill Now, those prices are pretty reasonable if u ask me. My experience says that most people actually pay, and that is what i want! money being transfered... If u however log off, u will see ur shiny little egg, when u log back on again. Happy mining. -------------------------------------------------------------- Making a new char picture will not work on the forums. The payment, however, does.
Morfhman	Posted - 2004.03.31 11:20:00 - [47] LOL honorble pirets i have never meet 1 PLZ tell me another one
Morfhman	Posted - 2004.03.31 11:28:00 - [48] Oke no foul intended. If you find me at a belt in 0,4 or below im usaly wery well armed and will fight to the last drop becous i will not give a piret a singel ISK.
Randuin MaraL	Posted - 2004.03.31 11:53:00 - [49] Quote: i think ppl who gets killed by pirates in 0.0 are just lame when they whine about it. ... JUST LIVE WITH IT DAMMIT No lame whining at all, read my initial post . However, 'tis not necessary to "live with it" - Question is still: 'To pay or not to pay' - and maybe find solutions how to evade paying if not willing to pay to make a pirate rich. So far most of the posts gave some ideas - thanks a lot. ____________________________________________________ Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die. MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner
Randuin MaraL	Posted - 2004.03.31 11:55:00 - [50] Quote: "If" you want piracy of this kind to stop What kind of piracy would that be? Piracy where we give u an option, or would you prefer us to just blow u up no questions asked? Or piracy in general, EVE should become carebare land where we all hold hands in an astroid belt and mine veldspar, or travel through 50 jumps of 0.0 AFK happy in the knowlage that no one will kill us! Honestly, I do not care about how you earn your isk. I only care how I spend mine. And I am glad to see that the word "carebear" is still used as an offense ____________________________________________________ Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die. MEDUSA veteran, Khumaak Award winner
Scorpyn	Posted - 2004.03.31 15:15:00 - [51] I don't see the problem. If ppl want to pay, why not? Pay : Lose honor+money (possibly +ship+cargo+equipment+pod+implants, depends on pirate, should be rare) Not pay : Lose ship+cargo+equipment+pod+implants (generally more expensive, if not the fee is too high and the pirate should reconsider the amount if he/she wants ppl to pay) If you don't care about the honor and principles, I don't see the point in not paying, as you will lose less money that way. Would I pay? Probably not. It's a lot more likely that I'd attack with whatever weapons I have, and if all else fail I'd probably start ramming the pirate (although I know it won't do any good).
ZzeusS	Posted - 2004.03.31 15:15:00 - [52] Quote: Edited by: Siddy on 31/03/2004 08:03:44 Quote: It's up to you if you don't want to pay, but you lose a lot more money and time that way. You will drop guns and modules anyways, so there is always a few millions of profit for the pirate. Some other ppl who have done "the math", too, want to pay, but your attitude makes it impossible for them, because pirates won't even bother asking. Btw. if you really want to hurt a pirate's wallet, why not shoot back? ;) so true - if i start to ask money, guess what i get? Siddy > pay or die! mister X > sorry i dont speak so good english.. i am from [insert a country here] sigh its shoot first ask later - because its just stupid to pay anyway - inshurance will cover theyr loses - only if the BS is uninshured - and the worst case scanaio is that the vicktim log off - ofcorse if hes scrambled the ship will not warp away, but here u can se an examples for the attitude towards pirating we realy got no choise exept killing em at the tracks Let me see if I understand this. YOU are making fun of someone elses English?
Siddy	Posted - 2004.03.31 16:31:00 - [53] Quote: Quote: Edited by: Siddy on 31/03/2004 08:03:44 Quote: It's up to you if you don't want to pay, but you lose a lot more money and time that way. You will drop guns and modules anyways, so there is always a few millions of profit for the pirate. Some other ppl who have done "the math", too, want to pay, but your attitude makes it impossible for them, because pirates won't even bother asking. Btw. if you really want to hurt a pirate's wallet, why not shoot back? ;) so true - if i start to ask money, guess what i get? Siddy > pay or die! mister X > sorry i dont speak so good english.. i am from [insert a country here] sigh its shoot first ask later - because its just stupid to pay anyway - inshurance will cover theyr loses - only if the BS is uninshured - and the worst case scanaio is that the vicktim log off - ofcorse if hes scrambled the ship will not warp away, but here u can se an examples for the attitude towards pirating we realy got no choise exept killing em at the tracks Let me see if I understand this. YOU are making fun of someone elses English? nope - i am telling that peep that spok perfekt english in EVE-chat is trying to say that Beacuse hes from [insert country]. he cant understand what Pay 10milion or die means it ****es me of -------------------------------------------
ZzeusS	Posted - 2004.03.31 16:35:00 - [54] Quote: Quote: Quote: Edited by: Siddy on 31/03/2004 08:03:44 Quote: It's up to you if you don't want to pay, but you lose a lot more money and time that way. You will drop guns and modules anyways, so there is always a few millions of profit for the pirate. Some other ppl who have done "the math", too, want to pay, but your attitude makes it impossible for them, because pirates won't even bother asking. Btw. if you really want to hurt a pirate's wallet, why not shoot back? ;) so true - if i start to ask money, guess what i get? Siddy > pay or die! mister X > sorry i dont speak so good english.. i am from [insert a country here] sigh its shoot first ask later - because its just stupid to pay anyway - inshurance will cover theyr loses - only if the BS is uninshured - and the worst case scanaio is that the vicktim log off - ofcorse if hes scrambled the ship will not warp away, but here u can se an examples for the attitude towards pirating we realy got no choise exept killing em at the tracks Let me see if I understand this. YOU are making fun of someone elses English? nope - i am telling that peep that spok perfekt english in EVE-chat is trying to say that Beacuse hes from [insert country]. he cant understand what Pay 10milion or die means it ****es me of Oh, stalling.

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