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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:45:00 -
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Do you know this situation?
You are in some system of low security, solo-mining or hunting and watching the belt for NPC ships. Suddenly someone warps in, locks you, webs and scrambles you and starts pummeling on your shields and armour - then the channel opens:
"Your money or your pod, 40 million."
Say, you are in a mining battleship, your head full of implants and a decent amount of valuable ore in your cargo. What do you do?
I strongly recommend NOT to pay. For a very simple reason. The money you give that pirate will buy him half a battleship or several cruisers and allow him to visit you sooner or later again. Do not let him make money that easily. "If" you want piracy of this kind to stop, simply stop throwing isk into pirates wallets.
What will happen then? The pirate will destroy your ship, your pod. You lose your implants, the ore and the shiny ship. You go and buy a new ship from insurance and add some isk for the ship, equipment and implants. That money is lost for you but will not go into the pirate's wallet (unless you buy the new ship from him or his alt or buddy of course) where it does not belong at all.
And the next time you solo-mine in a belt you do not do it in a battleship but in a cruiser, losing that ship will be no biggy in comparision to a lost battleship. And use standard equipment, instead of fancy stuff. You will mine less ore, of course, but the loss in mining ore will be less than a 2 or 3 times loss of 40 million in a month. Question of maths.
As far as I am concerned, my ships are insured and I do not care about implantss. I will not pay. Think about it.
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:47:00 -
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Carebear|Me
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Fatal Attraction
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:48:00 -
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:50:00 -
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wow someone legit-pirated you and you are whining...
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Dash Prik
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:51:00 -
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Garreck
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:52:00 -
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I agree completely, Randuin...although for me it's more than just a question of maths, it's a question of pride. If a pirate is going to profit off of me, it's going to be from whatever scrap he picks off the remains of my vessel; NOT from money I shoved into his wallet, pathetically grovelling for my life.
Of course, I don't fly around with tens of millions worth of implants in my head, so maybe my perspective is a bit skewed.
Garreck
Aeternus Crusade
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:54:00 -
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wow someone legit-pirated you and you are whining...
Hm, no, not at all ;) I just refer to someones elses encounter. As said, I do not pay.
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:13:00 -
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It's up to you if you don't want to pay, but you lose a lot more money and time that way.
You will drop guns and modules anyways, so there is always a few millions of profit for the pirate.
Some other ppl who have done "the math", too, want to pay, but your attitude makes it impossible for them, because pirates won't even bother asking.
Btw. if you really want to hurt a pirate's wallet, why not shoot back? ;)
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:15:00 -
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Btw. if you really want to hurt a pirate's wallet, why not shoot back? ;)
"Say, you are in a mining battleship, your head full of implants and a decent amount of valuable ore in your cargo"
thats why 
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:17:00 -
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Some other ppl who have done "the math", too, want to pay, but your attitude makes it impossible for them, because pirates won't even bother asking.
Interesting point - if their maths come to another conclusion I would be interested in that calculation.
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Btw. if you really want to hurt a pirate's wallet, why not shoot back? ;)
If possible, of course  but a lost blackbird will not hurt that much as long as the next blackbird will bring in another 30+ million.
Anyways, of course it is up to each pilots decision, how to react - let us read more opinions on this issue.
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vecdran
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:19:00 -
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wow someone legit-pirated you and you are whining...
Care to explain how he is whining?
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Sinikad
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:26:00 -
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A better option is to hit your shield boosters and hardeners, hull repairer if you have it, and log.
I have found that most of the time, you can survive. Your ship has to last 30 seconds; i had 3 scorpions attack me at a gate recently and logged while cloaked. I came back a few hours later in deep space, with 1/3 of my armor intact. It's very hard to kill a tier 2 bs in 30 seconds.
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Monica Scuro
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:29:00 -
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Yes the rule is try to fight back, if you cant or it looks like its going badly, take the heroes way out, self destruct your ship. That way they will get nothing and soon give up hastling you. Also in most cases you will get away in your pod, just be ready with the warp to selection on a planet or a moon.
Well said randuin
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Raeff
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:29:00 -
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rules for mining in low sec:
1. always watch local and know the pirates that roam that area
2. NEVER mine at the warp in point of a belt..warp in from a moon or somethin(less likely to have someone warp in on you in range to scramble you)
3. your BS is harder to replace than your ore, so wtf are you doing sitting there looking confused .. RUN
any questions?
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Eneroth
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:30:00 -
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wow someone legit-pirated you and you are whining...
Hm, no, not at all ;) I just refer to someones elses encounter. As said, I do not pay.
ye someone didnt pay us yesterday and he lost his bs. The he was crying and saif it took me 8 months to get this and i cant afford a new one im quitting the game.. :P And then some swearing and he got gaged..
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: XpoHoc on 30/03/2004 15:40:45
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A better option is to hit your shield boosters and hardeners, hull repairer if you have it, and log.
I have found that most of the time, you can survive. Your ship has to last 30 seconds; i had 3 scorpions attack me at a gate recently and logged while cloaked. I came back a few hours later in deep space, with 1/3 of my armor intact. It's very hard to kill a tier 2 bs in 30 seconds.
Lame.
You say 30 seconds? Well then it was an exploit (before patch).
I love it when GMs take ppl's ships away because of that :)
Hope you know that it doesn't work anymore, if you are scrambled you can log off if you want, you won't move or disappear.
And it's not very difficult to destroy a battleship within 30 sec with the right fitting.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 30/03/2004 15:41:43
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And it's not very difficult to destroy a battleship withiin 30 sec with the right fitting.
Well, if the target ship has a (XL) shield booster and is a scorp with my skills, you'd need to deal like ~570 damage per second. That's pretty hard since you are not very likely to be in blaster range from the beginnning.
Edit: BTW, corp description "We believe in honor, honesty and integrity". The guy should get kicked out for telling people to log out from fights. 
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Vashy Stampede
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Vashy Stampede on 30/03/2004 15:45:56
"Legit pirating", is that the "in" word now? :)
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The money you give that pirate will buy him half a battleship or several cruisers and allow him to visit you sooner or later again. Do not let him make money that easily. "If" you want piracy of this kind to stop, simply stop throwing isk into pirates wallets.
Just 1 problem: if they don't lose anything, what makes you think they can't visit you again even without being paid back there?
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:45:00 -
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JarJar, I have to tell that to make them think twice before loggin off ;)
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CoolSprog
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:59:00 -
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"If" you want piracy of this kind to stop
What kind of piracy would that be?
Piracy where we give u an option, or would you prefer us to just blow u up no questions asked?
Or piracy in general, EVE should become carebare land where we all hold hands in an astroid belt and mine veldspar, or travel through 50 jumps of 0.0 AFK happy in the knowlage that no one will kill us!
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Reluah
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Posted - 2004.03.30 16:00:00 -
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so how do a pirate really pod kill you? like when your ship blow up, you double click on some random moon/planet warp there, make a bookmark mid warp, come out of warp at the planet, warp to safe spod. whats so hard about it?
the only way you really can pod someone with half a brain is using torpdos to splash him to death. but any smart pirate woudlent do that because they risk killing the loot, leaving them with nothing at all kind of idiotic if your trying to make money  |
Sinikad
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Posted - 2004.03.30 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: XpoHoc on 30/03/2004 15:40:45
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A better option is to hit your shield boosters and hardeners, hull repairer if you have it, and log.
I have found that most of the time, you can survive. Your ship has to last 30 seconds; i had 3 scorpions attack me at a gate recently and logged while cloaked. I came back a few hours later in deep space, with 1/3 of my armor intact. It's very hard to kill a tier 2 bs in 30 seconds.
Lame.
You say 30 seconds? Well then it was an exploit (before patch).
I love it when GMs take ppl's ships away because of that :)
Hope you know that it doesn't work anymore, if you are scrambled you can log off if you want, you won't move or disappear.
And it's not very difficult to destroy a battleship within 30 sec with the right fitting.
This happened 2 days ago. Skillz was in an elite frig, and there were 3 other bs there. Naturally I don't know precisely what happened after I logged, but I did have another char in system (2 accounts) in a stabber. It was apparent the pirates did now know I had logged, as they were demanding 40 mil even after char was gone.
30 seconds may not be quite correct, its either 30 or 60. And afaik, you do in fact poof after the time limit is up whether you are scrambled or not.
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.03.30 16:06:00 -
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so how do a pirate really pod kill you? like when your ship blow up, you double click on some random moon/planet warp there, make a bookmark mid warp, come out of warp at the planet, warp to safe spod. whats so hard about it?
the only way you really can pod someone with half a brain is using torpdos to splash him to death. but any smart pirate woudlent do that because they risk killing the loot, leaving them with nothing at all kind of idiotic if your trying to make money
Cruise missles do the job clean ;)
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.03.30 16:49:00 -
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ok so peeps ***** and moan when they get ganked at a gate. ok. pirates start asking for tolls. peeps start moaning again cuz they dont want pirates to camp gates. so pirates start ransoming at belts. no, still not good. what do u want pirates to do, sit in Yulai wacking their monkey and beggin for ISK?
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Raeff
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Posted - 2004.03.30 17:21:00 -
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ok so peeps ***** and moan when they get ganked at a gate. ok. pirates start asking for tolls. peeps start moaning again cuz they dont want pirates to camp gates. so pirates start ransoming at belts. no, still not good. what do u want pirates to do, sit in Yulai wacking their monkey and beggin for ISK?
no no, what we really want is lo-jacks duct taped to your butts so we can hunt you better .. oh and yulai is bad for whacking .. too many people fly up and look in your windows
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Morfhman
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Posted - 2004.03.30 17:50:00 -
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I say dont pay,they will blow you up any way even if you pay just to satisfie the own sick mind
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Grimveous
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Posted - 2004.03.30 17:55:00 -
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Most honorable, real pirates, will not blow you up after you have payed there said toll. We in SNeaky magic will not blow up anyone who pays the said toll, as we dont benefit much from blowing up your bs, we would just rather get the isk and let you go. For some reason people still thinking logging will save them and if you cant afford 15mill then you really shouldnt be flying a bs.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.03.30 18:17:00 -
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Ok let's be realistic for a second. If the toll is not crazy and inculdes basically a leave me alone for the day clause you would be stupid not to agree. Now 40 mil is too much unless you mine with rare mods in which case I can't help you anyway. 20 mil on the other hand to save a ship,implants if you have them and most importantly to be able to keep mining uninterupted and not have to waste time getting another ship. Well that sounds reasonable.
Oh yeah it isn't the hero's way to die by self destruct. I hate that you can even do that. Hero's fight back with what ever weapons you have.
If people don't pay the tolls they will just pwn you 155 km from the gate and pick up your crap.
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OG Rabbit
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Posted - 2004.03.30 18:30:00 -
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Most honorable pirates will not ask a ridiculous amount of money depending on the ship and if you pay, they will add you to a list of people to leave alone the rest of the day.
But tomorrow is another day.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.03.30 20:23:00 -
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ok so peeps ***** and moan when they get ganked at a gate. ok. pirates start asking for tolls. peeps start moaning again cuz they dont want pirates to camp gates. so pirates start ransoming at belts. no, still not good. what do u want pirates to do, sit in Yulai wacking their monkey and beggin for ISK?
what he said.
first they took high sec space and no one spoke up. then...
it will never end.
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