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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:45:00 -
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Do you know this situation?
You are in some system of low security, solo-mining or hunting and watching the belt for NPC ships. Suddenly someone warps in, locks you, webs and scrambles you and starts pummeling on your shields and armour - then the channel opens:
"Your money or your pod, 40 million."
Say, you are in a mining battleship, your head full of implants and a decent amount of valuable ore in your cargo. What do you do?
I strongly recommend NOT to pay. For a very simple reason. The money you give that pirate will buy him half a battleship or several cruisers and allow him to visit you sooner or later again. Do not let him make money that easily. "If" you want piracy of this kind to stop, simply stop throwing isk into pirates wallets.
What will happen then? The pirate will destroy your ship, your pod. You lose your implants, the ore and the shiny ship. You go and buy a new ship from insurance and add some isk for the ship, equipment and implants. That money is lost for you but will not go into the pirate's wallet (unless you buy the new ship from him or his alt or buddy of course) where it does not belong at all.
And the next time you solo-mine in a belt you do not do it in a battleship but in a cruiser, losing that ship will be no biggy in comparision to a lost battleship. And use standard equipment, instead of fancy stuff. You will mine less ore, of course, but the loss in mining ore will be less than a 2 or 3 times loss of 40 million in a month. Question of maths.
As far as I am concerned, my ships are insured and I do not care about implantss. I will not pay. Think about it.
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:47:00 -
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Carebear|Me
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Fatal Attraction
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:48:00 -
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:50:00 -
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wow someone legit-pirated you and you are whining...
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Dash Prik
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:51:00 -
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Garreck
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:52:00 -
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I agree completely, Randuin...although for me it's more than just a question of maths, it's a question of pride. If a pirate is going to profit off of me, it's going to be from whatever scrap he picks off the remains of my vessel; NOT from money I shoved into his wallet, pathetically grovelling for my life.
Of course, I don't fly around with tens of millions worth of implants in my head, so maybe my perspective is a bit skewed.
Garreck
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.30 14:54:00 -
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wow someone legit-pirated you and you are whining...
Hm, no, not at all ;) I just refer to someones elses encounter. As said, I do not pay.
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:13:00 -
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It's up to you if you don't want to pay, but you lose a lot more money and time that way.
You will drop guns and modules anyways, so there is always a few millions of profit for the pirate.
Some other ppl who have done "the math", too, want to pay, but your attitude makes it impossible for them, because pirates won't even bother asking.
Btw. if you really want to hurt a pirate's wallet, why not shoot back? ;)
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:15:00 -
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Btw. if you really want to hurt a pirate's wallet, why not shoot back? ;)
"Say, you are in a mining battleship, your head full of implants and a decent amount of valuable ore in your cargo"
thats why 
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:17:00 -
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Some other ppl who have done "the math", too, want to pay, but your attitude makes it impossible for them, because pirates won't even bother asking.
Interesting point - if their maths come to another conclusion I would be interested in that calculation.
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Btw. if you really want to hurt a pirate's wallet, why not shoot back? ;)
If possible, of course  but a lost blackbird will not hurt that much as long as the next blackbird will bring in another 30+ million.
Anyways, of course it is up to each pilots decision, how to react - let us read more opinions on this issue.
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vecdran
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:19:00 -
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wow someone legit-pirated you and you are whining...
Care to explain how he is whining?
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Sinikad
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:26:00 -
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A better option is to hit your shield boosters and hardeners, hull repairer if you have it, and log.
I have found that most of the time, you can survive. Your ship has to last 30 seconds; i had 3 scorpions attack me at a gate recently and logged while cloaked. I came back a few hours later in deep space, with 1/3 of my armor intact. It's very hard to kill a tier 2 bs in 30 seconds.
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Monica Scuro
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:29:00 -
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Yes the rule is try to fight back, if you cant or it looks like its going badly, take the heroes way out, self destruct your ship. That way they will get nothing and soon give up hastling you. Also in most cases you will get away in your pod, just be ready with the warp to selection on a planet or a moon.
Well said randuin
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Raeff
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:29:00 -
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rules for mining in low sec:
1. always watch local and know the pirates that roam that area
2. NEVER mine at the warp in point of a belt..warp in from a moon or somethin(less likely to have someone warp in on you in range to scramble you)
3. your BS is harder to replace than your ore, so wtf are you doing sitting there looking confused .. RUN
any questions?
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Eneroth
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:30:00 -
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wow someone legit-pirated you and you are whining...
Hm, no, not at all ;) I just refer to someones elses encounter. As said, I do not pay.
ye someone didnt pay us yesterday and he lost his bs. The he was crying and saif it took me 8 months to get this and i cant afford a new one im quitting the game.. :P And then some swearing and he got gaged..
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:37:00 -
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Edited by: XpoHoc on 30/03/2004 15:40:45
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A better option is to hit your shield boosters and hardeners, hull repairer if you have it, and log.
I have found that most of the time, you can survive. Your ship has to last 30 seconds; i had 3 scorpions attack me at a gate recently and logged while cloaked. I came back a few hours later in deep space, with 1/3 of my armor intact. It's very hard to kill a tier 2 bs in 30 seconds.
Lame.
You say 30 seconds? Well then it was an exploit (before patch).
I love it when GMs take ppl's ships away because of that :)
Hope you know that it doesn't work anymore, if you are scrambled you can log off if you want, you won't move or disappear.
And it's not very difficult to destroy a battleship within 30 sec with the right fitting.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 30/03/2004 15:41:43
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And it's not very difficult to destroy a battleship withiin 30 sec with the right fitting.
Well, if the target ship has a (XL) shield booster and is a scorp with my skills, you'd need to deal like ~570 damage per second. That's pretty hard since you are not very likely to be in blaster range from the beginnning.
Edit: BTW, corp description "We believe in honor, honesty and integrity". The guy should get kicked out for telling people to log out from fights. 
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Vashy Stampede
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Vashy Stampede on 30/03/2004 15:45:56
"Legit pirating", is that the "in" word now? :)
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The money you give that pirate will buy him half a battleship or several cruisers and allow him to visit you sooner or later again. Do not let him make money that easily. "If" you want piracy of this kind to stop, simply stop throwing isk into pirates wallets.
Just 1 problem: if they don't lose anything, what makes you think they can't visit you again even without being paid back there?
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:45:00 -
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JarJar, I have to tell that to make them think twice before loggin off ;)
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CoolSprog
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Posted - 2004.03.30 15:59:00 -
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"If" you want piracy of this kind to stop
What kind of piracy would that be?
Piracy where we give u an option, or would you prefer us to just blow u up no questions asked?
Or piracy in general, EVE should become carebare land where we all hold hands in an astroid belt and mine veldspar, or travel through 50 jumps of 0.0 AFK happy in the knowlage that no one will kill us!
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Reluah
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Posted - 2004.03.30 16:00:00 -
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so how do a pirate really pod kill you? like when your ship blow up, you double click on some random moon/planet warp there, make a bookmark mid warp, come out of warp at the planet, warp to safe spod. whats so hard about it?
the only way you really can pod someone with half a brain is using torpdos to splash him to death. but any smart pirate woudlent do that because they risk killing the loot, leaving them with nothing at all kind of idiotic if your trying to make money  |
Sinikad
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Posted - 2004.03.30 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: XpoHoc on 30/03/2004 15:40:45
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A better option is to hit your shield boosters and hardeners, hull repairer if you have it, and log.
I have found that most of the time, you can survive. Your ship has to last 30 seconds; i had 3 scorpions attack me at a gate recently and logged while cloaked. I came back a few hours later in deep space, with 1/3 of my armor intact. It's very hard to kill a tier 2 bs in 30 seconds.
Lame.
You say 30 seconds? Well then it was an exploit (before patch).
I love it when GMs take ppl's ships away because of that :)
Hope you know that it doesn't work anymore, if you are scrambled you can log off if you want, you won't move or disappear.
And it's not very difficult to destroy a battleship within 30 sec with the right fitting.
This happened 2 days ago. Skillz was in an elite frig, and there were 3 other bs there. Naturally I don't know precisely what happened after I logged, but I did have another char in system (2 accounts) in a stabber. It was apparent the pirates did now know I had logged, as they were demanding 40 mil even after char was gone.
30 seconds may not be quite correct, its either 30 or 60. And afaik, you do in fact poof after the time limit is up whether you are scrambled or not.
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.03.30 16:06:00 -
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so how do a pirate really pod kill you? like when your ship blow up, you double click on some random moon/planet warp there, make a bookmark mid warp, come out of warp at the planet, warp to safe spod. whats so hard about it?
the only way you really can pod someone with half a brain is using torpdos to splash him to death. but any smart pirate woudlent do that because they risk killing the loot, leaving them with nothing at all kind of idiotic if your trying to make money
Cruise missles do the job clean ;)
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.03.30 16:49:00 -
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ok so peeps ***** and moan when they get ganked at a gate. ok. pirates start asking for tolls. peeps start moaning again cuz they dont want pirates to camp gates. so pirates start ransoming at belts. no, still not good. what do u want pirates to do, sit in Yulai wacking their monkey and beggin for ISK?
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Raeff
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Posted - 2004.03.30 17:21:00 -
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ok so peeps ***** and moan when they get ganked at a gate. ok. pirates start asking for tolls. peeps start moaning again cuz they dont want pirates to camp gates. so pirates start ransoming at belts. no, still not good. what do u want pirates to do, sit in Yulai wacking their monkey and beggin for ISK?
no no, what we really want is lo-jacks duct taped to your butts so we can hunt you better .. oh and yulai is bad for whacking .. too many people fly up and look in your windows
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Morfhman
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Posted - 2004.03.30 17:50:00 -
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I say dont pay,they will blow you up any way even if you pay just to satisfie the own sick mind
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Grimveous
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Posted - 2004.03.30 17:55:00 -
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Most honorable, real pirates, will not blow you up after you have payed there said toll. We in SNeaky magic will not blow up anyone who pays the said toll, as we dont benefit much from blowing up your bs, we would just rather get the isk and let you go. For some reason people still thinking logging will save them and if you cant afford 15mill then you really shouldnt be flying a bs.
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Posted - 2004.03.30 18:17:00 -
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Ok let's be realistic for a second. If the toll is not crazy and inculdes basically a leave me alone for the day clause you would be stupid not to agree. Now 40 mil is too much unless you mine with rare mods in which case I can't help you anyway. 20 mil on the other hand to save a ship,implants if you have them and most importantly to be able to keep mining uninterupted and not have to waste time getting another ship. Well that sounds reasonable.
Oh yeah it isn't the hero's way to die by self destruct. I hate that you can even do that. Hero's fight back with what ever weapons you have.
If people don't pay the tolls they will just pwn you 155 km from the gate and pick up your crap.
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OG Rabbit
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Posted - 2004.03.30 18:30:00 -
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Most honorable pirates will not ask a ridiculous amount of money depending on the ship and if you pay, they will add you to a list of people to leave alone the rest of the day.
But tomorrow is another day.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.03.30 20:23:00 -
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ok so peeps ***** and moan when they get ganked at a gate. ok. pirates start asking for tolls. peeps start moaning again cuz they dont want pirates to camp gates. so pirates start ransoming at belts. no, still not good. what do u want pirates to do, sit in Yulai wacking their monkey and beggin for ISK?
what he said.
first they took high sec space and no one spoke up. then...
it will never end.
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2004.03.30 20:50:00 -
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You will drop guns and modules anyways, so there is always a few millions of profit for the pirate.
if it be a miner,ya get nuthin but miner 2s and co-processors
take it from experiance
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Corpus Kristi
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Posted - 2004.03.30 21:09:00 -
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Self destruct ---> Two fingered salute ---> New Clone
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Lord Armagon
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Posted - 2004.03.30 22:04:00 -
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I say dont pay,they will blow you up any way even if you pay just to satisfie the own sick mind
This is just so sad and to show you how wrong you are i will show you this log that happend less then 10 minutes ago.
This guy is caught in his caracal and scrambled. he says he will pay, i tell him to stop his ship. his ship slows down and sudenly he is gone from local. I ofcource blows his caracal to start dust and pick up his loot. 3 min later i get this convo.
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Channelname: Joe's Load conversation
Listener: Zarquon Beeblebrox
Session started: 2004.03.30 21:40:23
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[ 2004.03.30 21:40:41 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > why did you log of ?
[ 2004.03.30 21:40:44 ] Joe's Load > why did yo blow me up i had to ****ch to my main charcter to get the money
[ 2004.03.30 21:40:53 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > you loged of
[ 2004.03.30 21:40:59 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > you cant do that
[ 2004.03.30 21:41:04 ] Joe's Load > i had to switch character
[ 2004.03.30 21:41:05 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > its a trick everyone tries
[ 2004.03.30 21:41:09 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > you should have told me
[ 2004.03.30 21:41:21 ] Joe's Load > that ******* sucks
[ 2004.03.30 21:41:33 ] Joe's Load > i roght 1.5 actuallt
[ 2004.03.30 21:41:40 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > when you do that your ship disapeares after a litle while
[ 2004.03.30 21:41:46 ] Joe's Load > i was goning to pay you that
[ 2004.03.30 21:41:53 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > and its a normal trick ppl try to not pay up
[ 2004.03.30 21:42:11 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > whats your insurence pay out ?
[ 2004.03.30 21:42:14 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > 4.2mil ?
[ 2004.03.30 21:42:30 ] Joe's Load > i had silvar
[ 2004.03.30 21:42:35 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > and it pays out ?
[ 2004.03.30 21:42:42 ] Joe's Load > i got 3. something
[ 2004.03.30 21:43:01 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > a caracal goes for 4.2mil now. you got 3. ill give you 1mil and keep your loot
[ 2004.03.30 21:43:14 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > and thats the nicest thing a pirate ever will do
[ 2004.03.30 21:43:16 ] Joe's Load > ok thanks
[ 2004.03.30 21:43:20 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > and never log of again like that
[ 2004.03.30 21:43:38 ] Joe's Load > thanks i will have the money on me fro know on
[ 2004.03.30 21:43:43 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > when that happend we insta kill
[ 2004.03.30 21:43:44 ] Joe's Load > ok
[ 2004.03.30 21:43:58 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > cant beleve i just did this =)
[ 2004.03.30 21:44:02 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > safe travles mate
[ 2004.03.30 21:44:12 ] Joe's Load > thanks a million lol
[ 2004.03.30 21:44:17 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > =)
[ 2004.03.30 21:44:18 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > cya
[ 2004.03.30 21:44:22 ] Zarquon Beeblebrox > next time dont log
[ 2004.03.30 21:44:23 ] Joe's Load > cya
And now he is probably lauging his ass out in his corp for that stupid pirate falling for this...
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.03.30 22:16:00 -
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Self destruct ---> Two fingered salute ---> New Clone
lol when the pirate sees the 120 sec timer to selfdestruct message he will just kill u and take the loot , Nub
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2004.03.30 23:23:00 -
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LOL! I'd rather keep an eye on local and NOT put myself in a situation where I have to "decide" on something like this. It's worked for me for 9mos.
Greed and Laziness on the part of the "victim" are the major contributors to getting yourself snatched up.
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.03.31 00:24:00 -
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wow someone legit-pirated you and you are whining...
Im very curious what you would do in this situation Negotiator?
Although I got a gut feeling you would go down with your Gun batteries still firing..
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Emperor Wolverine
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Posted - 2004.03.31 05:01:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor Wolverine on 31/03/2004 05:09:53
Next time put 3-4 warp core stablizers and than some ECM modules and you will never have to pay nor lose your ship.
Its all about how you demonstrate your smarter than a monkey.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2004.03.31 06:09:00 -
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Edited by: Negotiator on 31/03/2004 06:12:46
a) i would never be in a situation like that :P. b) call for backup, try to tank for as long as possible(if no guns, no ECM and such). c) sit there and loose the ship.
why? because im a fighter, not a pirate, and not a miner >.> also im a damn poor one at that, and when im not poor im extreemly cheap. also if i ever paid it would be like forum things with posting screenshots and stuff (remember *****cat?). If someone held up my alt i would pay most likely.
ummm forgot to summarize the point i was trying to make. for a miner, paying is normal and smart most of the time. for a pirate its also smart cuz pirates are after money. for a fighter its...not...because honor > money in that case.
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vanBuskirk
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Posted - 2004.03.31 07:02:00 -
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ok so peeps ***** and moan when they get ganked at a gate. ok. pirates start asking for tolls. peeps start moaning again cuz they dont want pirates to camp gates. so pirates start ransoming at belts. no, still not good. what do u want pirates to do, sit in Yulai wacking their monkey and beggin for ISK?
Yes, that would do nicely. Or better still get the hell out of EVE.
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Bogenhagen
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Posted - 2004.03.31 07:14:00 -
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If I get completely locked down by pirates, I deserver to have my ship destroyed  . But there's no way I'm gonna pay a pirate anything, it's just unethical.
Rule 1: Don't use anything you can't afford to lose.
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DampJim
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Posted - 2004.03.31 07:14:00 -
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i think ppl who gets killed by pirates in 0.0 are just lame when they whine about it. When u are in 0.0 u are in NON SECURE space. U shall know that it is a possibility that a pirate comes to try and kill u when u mine. It nothing to whine about when a pirate says like "20 mill or ur corpse" its just to pay up if u want to live.
I got killed and podded in my badger mark 1 in aurohunen once. By a gatecamper...... but hey.... its the game. Just learn to live with it. I have never been in 0.0 space for long time but i can understand the pirates (and m0o) when ppl just whine when they are killed. JUST LIVE WITH IT DAMMIT
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.31 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 31/03/2004 08:03:44
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It's up to you if you don't want to pay, but you lose a lot more money and time that way.
You will drop guns and modules anyways, so there is always a few millions of profit for the pirate.
Some other ppl who have done "the math", too, want to pay, but your attitude makes it impossible for them, because pirates won't even bother asking.
Btw. if you really want to hurt a pirate's wallet, why not shoot back? ;)
so true - if i start to ask money, guess what i get?
Siddy > pay or die!
mister X > sorry i dont speak so good english.. i am from [insert a country here]
*sigh* 
its shoot first ask later - because its just stupid to pay anyway - inshurance will cover theyr loses - only if the BS is uninshured - and the worst case scanaio is that the vicktim log off - ofcorse if hes scrambled the ship will not warp away, but here u can se an examples for the attitude towards pirating
we realy got no choise exept killing em at the tracks
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Fager
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Posted - 2004.03.31 08:32:00 -
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**** happens! Live with it... Its a game ffs...
Pirats make the day fun as we need to think some to get around them...
Imagine Eve with just NPC spawning pirates.... FFS
*Bows to all who take on the difficult job if pirats*
You make eve an more exciting world to live in!
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Adriana
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Posted - 2004.03.31 08:46:00 -
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4-5 warp stabs, face a warpable object, and the second a pirate enters the system, warp and log. Don't wait around for him to say hi.
Barring that, warp to an object and call in reinforcements. Either way, forget about fighting. You CAN'T fight a dedicated PvP set up when you are set up for mining. Not effectively anyway. Thats what these pirates count on. So either log, call in back up, or at the very least hit a station and refit for battle. If you know what you are doing and it's one on one, you might stand a chance if you get a combat rig and then return.
If you stop paying attention for a bit and get a face to face with him, the warp stabs should keep him from locking you down. Two finger salute while running like hell.
I've never been in 0.0 myself, but there are multiple posts about this stuff. They all say pretty much what I've written above. If you are only worried about NPC rats you can get away with as few as 2 warp stabs in most cases.
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2004.03.31 10:10:00 -
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"If" you want piracy of this kind to stop
What kind of piracy would that be?
Piracy where we give u an option, or would you prefer us to just blow u up no questions asked?
Or piracy in general, EVE should become carebare land where we all hold hands in an astroid belt and mine veldspar, or travel through 50 jumps of 0.0 AFK happy in the knowlage that no one will kill us!
I think this is a crucial point. It will lead to more killing.
In fact, the pirate is there to kill you. By giving you a chance, she's being very generous. Your choice to take it or not. I know I'll enjoy my work either way. You decide if you want to keep your ship and implants.
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Kikapu
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Posted - 2004.03.31 11:12:00 -
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Yes, we pirates have a hard time making the people we ransom actually pay. This is what the whining should be about, but like most of u, i dont like whining. I have experienced that if the pirates (at least works for me) lower the price a bit, they will get people to pay. When i ransom i usually do it like this:
any cruiser: 2 mill
lvl1 bs: 10 mill
lvl2 bs: 20 mill
Now, those prices are pretty reasonable if u ask me. My experience says that most people actually pay, and that is what i want! money being transfered... If u however log off, u will see ur shiny little egg, when u log back on again.
Happy mining.
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Morfhman
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Posted - 2004.03.31 11:20:00 -
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LOL honorble pirets i have never meet 1
PLZ tell me another one
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Morfhman
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Posted - 2004.03.31 11:28:00 -
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Oke no foul intended.
If you find me at a belt in 0,4 or below im usaly wery well armed and will fight to the last drop becous i will not give a piret a singel ISK.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.31 11:53:00 -
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i think ppl who gets killed by pirates in 0.0 are just lame when they whine about it. ...
JUST LIVE WITH IT DAMMIT
No lame whining at all, read my initial post .
However, 'tis not necessary to "live with it" - Question is still: 'To pay or not to pay' - and maybe find solutions how to evade paying if not willing to pay to make a pirate rich.
So far most of the posts gave some ideas  - thanks a lot.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.31 11:55:00 -
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"If" you want piracy of this kind to stop
What kind of piracy would that be?
Piracy where we give u an option, or would you prefer us to just blow u up no questions asked?
Or piracy in general, EVE should become carebare land where we all hold hands in an astroid belt and mine veldspar, or travel through 50 jumps of 0.0 AFK happy in the knowlage that no one will kill us!
Honestly, I do not care about how you earn your isk. I only care how I spend mine. And I am glad to see that the word "carebear" is still used as an offense
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2004.03.31 15:15:00 -
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I don't see the problem. If ppl want to pay, why not?
Pay : Lose honor+money (possibly +ship+cargo+equipment+pod+implants, depends on pirate, should be rare)
Not pay : Lose ship+cargo+equipment+pod+implants (generally more expensive, if not the fee is too high and the pirate should reconsider the amount if he/she wants ppl to pay)
If you don't care about the honor and principles, I don't see the point in not paying, as you will lose less money that way.
Would I pay? Probably not. It's a lot more likely that I'd attack with whatever weapons I have, and if all else fail I'd probably start ramming the pirate (although I know it won't do any good).
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ZzeusS
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Posted - 2004.03.31 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 31/03/2004 08:03:44
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It's up to you if you don't want to pay, but you lose a lot more money and time that way.
You will drop guns and modules anyways, so there is always a few millions of profit for the pirate.
Some other ppl who have done "the math", too, want to pay, but your attitude makes it impossible for them, because pirates won't even bother asking.
Btw. if you really want to hurt a pirate's wallet, why not shoot back? ;)
so true - if i start to ask money, guess what i get?
Siddy > pay or die!
mister X > sorry i dont speak so good english.. i am from [insert a country here]
*sigh*
its shoot first ask later - because its just stupid to pay anyway - inshurance will cover theyr loses - only if the BS is uninshured - and the worst case scanaio is that the vicktim log off - ofcorse if hes scrambled the ship will not warp away, but here u can se an examples for the attitude towards pirating
we realy got no choise exept killing em at the tracks
Let me see if I understand this. YOU are making fun of someone elses English?
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Siddy
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Posted - 2004.03.31 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 31/03/2004 08:03:44
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It's up to you if you don't want to pay, but you lose a lot more money and time that way.
You will drop guns and modules anyways, so there is always a few millions of profit for the pirate.
Some other ppl who have done "the math", too, want to pay, but your attitude makes it impossible for them, because pirates won't even bother asking.
Btw. if you really want to hurt a pirate's wallet, why not shoot back? ;)
so true - if i start to ask money, guess what i get?
Siddy > pay or die!
mister X > sorry i dont speak so good english.. i am from [insert a country here]
*sigh*
its shoot first ask later - because its just stupid to pay anyway - inshurance will cover theyr loses - only if the BS is uninshured - and the worst case scanaio is that the vicktim log off - ofcorse if hes scrambled the ship will not warp away, but here u can se an examples for the attitude towards pirating
we realy got no choise exept killing em at the tracks
Let me see if I understand this. YOU are making fun of someone elses English?
nope - i am telling that peep that spok perfekt english in EVE-chat is trying to say that Beacuse hes from [insert country]. he cant understand what Pay 10milion or die means
it ****es me of
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ZzeusS
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Posted - 2004.03.31 16:35:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 31/03/2004 08:03:44
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It's up to you if you don't want to pay, but you lose a lot more money and time that way.
You will drop guns and modules anyways, so there is always a few millions of profit for the pirate.
Some other ppl who have done "the math", too, want to pay, but your attitude makes it impossible for them, because pirates won't even bother asking.
Btw. if you really want to hurt a pirate's wallet, why not shoot back? ;)
so true - if i start to ask money, guess what i get?
Siddy > pay or die!
mister X > sorry i dont speak so good english.. i am from [insert a country here]
*sigh*
its shoot first ask later - because its just stupid to pay anyway - inshurance will cover theyr loses - only if the BS is uninshured - and the worst case scanaio is that the vicktim log off - ofcorse if hes scrambled the ship will not warp away, but here u can se an examples for the attitude towards pirating
we realy got no choise exept killing em at the tracks
Let me see if I understand this. YOU are making fun of someone elses English?
nope - i am telling that peep that spok perfekt english in EVE-chat is trying to say that Beacuse hes from [insert country]. he cant understand what Pay 10milion or die means
it ****es me of
Oh, stalling.
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