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Dipluz
Stair Fall
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Posted - 2008.02.10 13:05:00 -
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this is so damn annoying, their taking all our salvage, CCP DO SOMETHING! please people sign this. Make them thief flagged if they salvage our wrecks please.
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null01001
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.02.10 13:26:00 -
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CCP has already state on this. It will not be change.
Leave Motsu/Saila if its where you live 
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realbadman
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:01:00 -
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this is what a gm had to say
scroll down and look for the red bars
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Krashtest
Exploratory Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.10 14:49:00 -
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Salvaging a ship is wide open to whomever gets to the wreck first. If you do not like it, move away from Motsu and other high traffic mission spots, or bring along your own salvager during the mission.
If they are willing to risk NPC ship aggro to grab wrecks you made available, you should be bringing in your own salvager before they can scan your mission location down.
CCP has stated officially that salvaging the wreck will not be a criminal act, only looting the contents of the container will be.
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SheriffFruitfly
Caldari
FlyinPenguin Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.02.10 18:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Dipluz
this is so damn annoying, their taking all our salvage, CCP DO SOMETHING! please people sign this. Make them thief flagged if they salvage our wrecks please.
I don't understand why ppl continue to whine about this. There are solutions (mission somewhere else, shoot the wrecks), and ccp has already said they're not going to change it.
Let it go, whiners.
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Jessamine
Beltane Brewers
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Posted - 2008.02.10 23:36:00 -
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I love how I can always go in and look at the person in game and without fail their highest standing agent is in either Dodixie, Motsu, Aramachi or Saila.
This guys' is in Aramachi.
GTFO
Custom Corporations for Hi-Sec POS Anchoring - All Empires Available!
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Hectaire Glade
Forum Jockey
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Posted - 2008.02.11 09:15:00 -
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move systems, i moved to a backwater, yes the rewards are fractionaly lower due to agent quality drop, but by god the lag is soo much less than Dodi.
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Sendraks
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:26:00 -
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Stop flogging this dead issue already!
This issue is dead. It has ceased to be. It has expired and gone to meet its maker.
It's a stiff, bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't posted on the forums, it'd be pushing up the daisies. The arguments around it are now history. It's off the page. Its kicked the bucket, its shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-ISSUE!
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Oldin Kinrod
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Posted - 2008.02.11 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sendraks
This issue is dead. It has ceased to be. It has expired and gone to meet its maker.
It's a stiff, bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't posted on the forums, it'd be pushing up the daisies. The arguments around it are now history. It's off the page. Its kicked the bucket, its shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-ISSUE!
Monty Python FTW!!
People stealing your wrecks? Players intruding your missions? |
Mad Crafter
Green Men Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.11 20:10:00 -
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Every thread like this more people get the idea to scan for mission runners. They rely are couter productive.
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Wahjoo
Minmatar
Pandemic Influenza
Infinite Innovation
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Posted - 2008.02.11 20:58:00 -
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May I offer you a bat to beat this dead horse a little more?
"We were once so close to heaven; Peter came out and gave us medals, declaring us the nicest of the damned." |
Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.02.11 21:18:00 -
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Yeah, it is very counterproductive.
I am training salvaging now for the sole purpose of doing this. 
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syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.02.11 21:19:00 -
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SPam SPam SPam SPaM SPamm SPam SPam SPam SPaM SPamm SPam SPam SPam SPaM SPamm SPam SPam SPam SPaM SPamm
Originally by: GM Faolchu
People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.02.11 23:45:00 -
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Salvage is not yours. It belongs to anyone, thats' why it's called salvage. When they take it, they aren't stealing from you.
Salvage as you go or step outside the super crowded mission hubs, and I doubt you'll run into competing salvagers.
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Nariya Zhao
Caldari
Reseune Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.13 22:03:00 -
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Step 1:
http://eve.grismar.net/explorer/ in-game or out-of-game, your choice
Step 2:
Find agents ->
- belonging to corp with name containing -> (corp of your choice)
- requiring standing -> <= (whatever your standing is)
For optimal results, pick a system with the lowest sec rating that you dare, as this will increase both monetary and faction rewards.
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Helen Hunts
Gallente
Red Dragon Mining inc
Red Dragon Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.14 06:28:00 -
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EVE-Agents will have a nice handy listing of agents that you can search for by corp, level, region, division, etc.
Find a nice quiet area.
Find an agent that will still pay off fairly well.
Run missions AWAY FROM THE CROWDS and those who cling to the crowds.
Profit.
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Mine da rocks, make more ships.
Pop da rats, make more rigs.
Sell da gear, make more money.
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Mainsil
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Posted - 2008.02.14 17:22:00 -
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I experienced this problem for the first time recently and was given a useful piece of advice. Just pop the wrecks as the salvager gets close to them. If that's too much trouble (or you need to concentrate on the rats) just pop the wrecks as you progress through the mission. It just takes one extra shot.
Yes you lose the loot, but it is far less irritating than watching someone else make off with your stuff.
I tried it and it worked pretty well, they quickly got bored and left me alone. You go through the mission a faster since there is no salvage stage, so the ISK/hr loss is probably not that much (seems to take me longer to salvage a mission than it does to kill everything).
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2008.02.14 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mad Crafter
Every thread like this more people get the idea to scan for mission runners. They rely are couter productive.
Heh. Exactly. After seeing a system in the list of 'everyone missions here!' systems that is near by me I'm half tempted to try it out now.
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Tehopenee
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Posted - 2008.02.14 22:53:00 -
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As per usual CCP does its best to promote strife in the game. I dont mind the strife like salvage thiefs as much as I dislike the fact I cant do anything about it. Sometimes I wonder if any of the gm's actually play the game. And then the turkey who wrote salvage belongs to anyone. lol Obviously he either steals it or has never had anyone take his salvage. Probably both. Ok yes, I know this is a dead horse. Still it makes me wonder. :)
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Nitemare111
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Posted - 2008.02.15 02:25:00 -
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Have you read the GM answers to this question?
They modelled it on real world salvage procedures. Stuff inside belongs to the owner. Wreck belongs to whoever salvaged it.
Suck it up, move to another system, or quit EVE. We don't care, just quit whining.
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"When in doubt, aim for the crotch."
"There's no problem that the application of suitable firepower cannot fix."
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Nariya Zhao
Caldari
Reseune Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.15 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: Nariya Zhao on 15/02/2008 03:15:25
I guess I find the whole question hilarious for two reasons.
1. I've yet to have anyone make even the slightest try to horn in on my salvage.
2. If someone did, and salvaging my wrecks flagged them, what would I do about it? Hell, what would I do about it if they took the loot out of them which already does flag them? Shoot them and get flagged to their whole pirate corp? DO NOT WANT, thanks.
Seriously, think about it, people. If you don't feel safe enough to mission in lowsec, it's because you're afraid you can't stand up to PvP pirates without CONCORD to back you up. And in that case, the last thing you want to do is shoot at a ninja-salvager and flag yourself to his whole corp. Even if he looted the wrecks - which already flags him - you're still usually better off not opening fire. If you're that sure you can take him, mission in lowsec and then you don't have to worry about whether he's flagged or not. Plus which lowsec agents give you much better mission payouts anyway.
Hell, even if you're a noob, you should seriously consider missioning in lowsec for the better rewards. Just make an effort to find low-traffic systems, watch local like a hawk, and be prepared to run like a little girl if a player shows up in your encounter.
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Asmosis
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Posted - 2008.02.15 04:58:00 -
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Maybe CCP should just sticky a salvage topic n/t saying SALVAGING OTHERS IS LEGAL
and just delete all these thread.
btw salvaging used to loot contents flagging you and CCP changed it so that you dont get flagged to fix it.
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Kusha'an
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.15 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mainsil
I experienced this problem for the first time recently and was given a useful piece of advice. Just pop the wrecks as the salvager gets close to them. If that's too much trouble (or you need to concentrate on the rats) just pop the wrecks as you progress through the mission. It just takes one extra shot.
Yes you lose the loot, but it is far less irritating than watching someone else make off with your stuff.
I tried it and it worked pretty well, they quickly got bored and left me alone. You go through the mission a faster since there is no salvage stage, so the ISK/hr loss is probably not that much (seems to take me longer to salvage a mission than it does to kill everything).
Even funnier than that - tractor the wrecks they approach and watch them chase the wrecks futilely. It's as much fun as the 10-dollar bill on a string trick.
Seriously, salvage pirating is SUCH a waste of time. Go run a mission and see how much more you make. Anybody doing it makes far less isk than I will per hour. I'll take my 5-10 million in bounties and loot and you can have all my tangled power conduits.
Good luck with that, suckers.
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.02.15 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nariya Zhao
Edited by: Nariya Zhao on 15/02/2008 03:15:25
I guess I find the whole question hilarious for two reasons.
1. I've yet to have anyone make even the slightest try to horn in on my salvage.
2. If someone did, and salvaging my wrecks flagged them, what would I do about it? Hell, what would I do about it if they took the loot out of them which already does flag them? Shoot them and get flagged to their whole pirate corp? DO NOT WANT, thanks.
Seriously, think about it, people. If you don't feel safe enough to mission in lowsec, it's because you're afraid you can't stand up to PvP pirates without CONCORD to back you up. And in that case, the last thing you want to do is shoot at a ninja-salvager and flag yourself to his whole corp. Even if he looted the wrecks - which already flags him - you're still usually better off not opening fire. If you're that sure you can take him, mission in lowsec and then you don't have to worry about whether he's flagged or not. Plus which lowsec agents give you much better mission payouts anyway.
Hell, even if you're a noob, you should seriously consider missioning in lowsec for the better rewards. Just make an effort to find low-traffic systems, watch local like a hawk, and be prepared to run like a little girl if a player shows up in your encounter.
Somebody please sticky this post. This is one of the few people that actualy understand what they are talking about.
I will have a celebration today just because I found this post. I mean realy, intelligent people are few and far between.
Originally by: Aravel Thon
Originally by: Nith Batoxxx
Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox...............
I am so so terribly sorry...
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ChrisFish
Red.
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Posted - 2008.02.15 16:24:00 -
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'Salvage Thief'
There is no such thing anywhere in EvE.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.15 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kusha'an
Even funnier than that - tractor the wrecks they approach and watch them chase the wrecks futilely.
My salvage/probing ship has a aferbuerner and can keep up with tractored cans, no problem. In fact, with 4 salvagers and 3 rigs, I can snatch the salvage as the can whizzes by.
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Anybody doing it makes far less isk than I will per hour.
I don't do it for the isk. I do it to get salvage to build rigs with, which I then fit to my ships. Why should I spend a boatload of time getting standings for level 4 missions, just to get salvage? It takes far less time to train Minmatar cruiser 2, get a Stabber and take all I want with no muss, no fuss, no standings grind.
What I did spend some time grinding standings for, was my Sisters of EVE agent. She gives me those lovely Sisters Scan Probe Launchers which let me use the high strength exploration probes to directly scan for player ships in mission deadspace in a reasonable amount of time. And my Quafe agent gives me those wonderful PP-series implants to further boost probing efficiency. Now that's worth grinding for.
But not salvage.
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William Ortega
Grave Diggers
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.15 21:33:00 -
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Most enthusiastically /signed!!!
Hi-sec carebear CNR's delivered to you on a silver platter without any interference from CONCORD whatsoever? And since this is not low-sec they dont fit warp core stabs and most likely don't have much/any PvP experience? Heck I'm not a pirate, but as soon as salvaging gets you flagged I will personally start to "salvage" missions. The money would be just too good to pass up.
Lets see what are my choices, rat or mine in 0.0 and make ~20 mil an hour on good days, or get my alt into Motsu to have a chance at a billion isk paydirt in faction mods? Where as before you would have to get > 6 BS's to try to suicide pimped faction ships at the gates, now the entire thing would be viable as a single person operation. Hmm decisions, desicions.
Seriously, CCP DO SOMETHING!
P.S. Yes there is sarcasm in this post. Aside from the fact that this dead horse has been kicked so many time I suspect necrophilia, the OP and others like him do not really understand what they are trying to bring onto their heads.
-Willy |
Jim Nakamura
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.15 21:42:00 -
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I approve of this idea, as I want to play the entire game in a hermetically sealed bubble in highsec so I can pretend I'm the only person around. Hell, I don't even want to interact with other people, I just want the whole game to be a very boring single-player grinding game with a couple of chat channels bolted on to stop me getting bored. I don't care if there's 30,000+ other people online at the moment, and I certainly don't want them intruding on the antisociable way in which I want to play.
/sarcasm
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Jamie Freely
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Posted - 2008.02.16 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dipluz
this is so damn annoying, their taking all our salvage, CCP DO SOMETHING! please people sign this. Make them thief flagged if they salvage our wrecks please.
Yea I'm getting tired of having people shot me when I'm ratting in the drone region, CCP do something, please turn this into hello Kitty Online.
To the noob, go find another game or learn to read. Mods this has been talked about over and over and over, auto lock these threads and ban the posters for a 24 hour period for not knowing how to read.
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Kahega Amielden
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Posted - 2008.02.16 01:07:00 -
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Seriously, salvage pirating is SUCH a waste of time. Go run a mission and see how much more you make. Anybody doing it makes far less isk than I will per hour. I'll take my 5-10 million in bounties and loot and you can have all my tangled power conduits.
I made 13 mil worth of salvage in about 45 minutes. I couldn't have made anywhere CLOSE to that running missions myself (seeing as how I can only fit a Rupture with t1 stuff)
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