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turnschuh
Privateers
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: turnschuh on 11/02/2008 18:22:03
the worse part is that you dont notice it right away, you only notice it if you try to "do" something (chat, activate module, etc)
It happens a lot since the last days, almost 4-6 times a day.
tracert when I loose connection:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms my.router [192.168.0.1] 2 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms 217.0.118.30 3 7 ms 8 ms 7 ms 87.186.240.18 4 * * * Zeitnberschreitung der Anforderung. 5 * * * Zeitnberschreitung der Anforderung. 6 * * * Zeitnberschreitung der Anforderung. 7 * * 29 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.68.118.30] 8 21 ms 32 ms 21 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.132.126] 9 23 ms 32 ms 35 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.132.137] 10 29 ms 35 ms 37 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.132.130] 11 32 ms 33 ms 36 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.133.89] 12 * 39 ms 69 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.133.86] 13 44 ms 36 ms 37 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.132.133] 14 42 ms 35 ms 36 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.68.106.93] 15 34 ms 35 ms 34 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.68.116.75] 16 34 ms 34 ms 33 ms 195.50.91.22 17 36 ms 36 ms 36 ms myeve.eve-online.com [87.237.39.200]
tracert when its back there:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms my.router [192.168.0.1] 2 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms 217.0.118.30 3 7 ms 8 ms 7 ms 87.186.240.18 4 18 ms 15 ms 15 ms f-ea5.F.DE.net.DTAG.DE [62.154.16.161] 5 17 ms 17 ms 16 ms f-ea1.F.DE.net.DTAG.DE [62.154.17.182] 6 16 ms 17 ms 17 ms 62.156.139.202 7 30 ms 19 ms 20 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.68.118.30] 8 21 ms 21 ms 31 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.132.126] 9 35 ms 36 ms 36 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.132.137] 10 32 ms 36 ms 35 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.132.130] 11 32 ms 37 ms 34 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.133.89] 12 41 ms 36 ms 36 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.133.86] 13 35 ms 34 ms 34 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.132.133] 14 43 ms 36 ms 36 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.68.106.93] 15 36 ms 36 ms 36 ms ae-31-51.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.68.116.75] 16 35 ms 34 ms 34 ms 195.50.91.22 17 32 ms 32 ms 33 ms myeve.eve-online.com [87.237.39.200]
anyone else got the problem?
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Vienna Gates
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:30:00 -
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Please translate
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:31:00 -
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Seems like an issue with your ISP, unfortunately. ---------------- Tarminic - 32 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.3 (NEW VERSION!) |
turnschuh
Privateers
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:32:00 -
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considering its the larges ISP in germany, I kinda doupt that?
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:34:00 -
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It looks like frankfurt1.level3 is playing ping pong with your packets. 8 hops all on the same server.
Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english.
Irony. So delicious. |
Shizuka Muto
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: ****uka Muto on 11/02/2008 18:36:18
Originally by: turnschuh the worse part is that you dont notice it right away, you only notice it if you try to "do" something (chat, activate module, etc)
Exactly the same thing happens to me... it's quite annoying... and sometimes it happens only for one of my accounts, but most of the time, they both drop. I blame it on t-online...
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: turnschuh considering its the larges ISP in germany, I kinda doupt that?
Er...it's what your traceroute is showing. ---------------- Tarminic - 32 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.3 (NEW VERSION!) |
SirMolly
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:42:00 -
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I got the same problem and the same ISP.
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Agent Li
Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: turnschuh considering its the larges ISP in germany, I kinda doupt that?
Yes, it's probably the ISP.
ISPs are now doing traffic shaping, which causes this exact problem.
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Sleepkevert
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:47:00 -
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By the way, you are tracing the website, which is not in the same datacenter as the server i believe. Try tracing 87.237.38.200 which is the server IP. _
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:50:00 -
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Another thread on this is here.
It also just happened to me again, I come home, log in, bang all EVE related stuff dead, everything else working fine. I am also with Telekom and in my ignorance blame the Level3 crap. Maybe CCP could knock some doors in with them, as they do not seem to stoop so low as to have contact information for normal people...
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Qwakrz
Minmatar Suon Tactical Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:52:00 -
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Oh god, level3 playing up again... When are they going to actually replace the yogart pots and string with something more reliable???
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: turnschuh considering its the larges ISP in germany, I kinda doupt that?
Yes, it's probably the ISP.
ISPs are now doing traffic shaping, which causes this exact problem.
Someone is gonna have to explain what "Traffic Shaping" is please.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:56:00 -
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One day it will come out that all these connection problems for eve are the result of a band of nerds who live in thier respective isps basement and play wow all day as they manage the network. One day they all decided to make a guild in eve and grind missions for epic faction gear and T2 mounts. After figuring out high sec missions give crap loot they decided to head to 0.0 for some epic officer rattting. They then promptly got pwnd at the first low sec gate and lost everything and quit in frustration that all their stuff didn't get sent to thier clone station. This is their revenge.
Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.02.11 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: turnschuh considering its the larges ISP in germany, I kinda doupt that?
Yes, it's probably the ISP.
ISPs are now doing traffic shaping, which causes this exact problem.
Someone is gonna have to explain what "Traffic Shaping" is please.
By way of Wikipedia:
Quote: Traffic shaping (also known as "packet shaping") is an attempt to control computer network traffic in order to optimize or guarantee performance, low latency, and/or bandwidth by delaying packets. More specifically, traffic shaping is any action on a set of packets (often called a stream or a flow) which imposes additional delay on those packets such that they conform to some predetermined constraint (a contract or traffic profile). Traffic shaping provides a means to control the volume of traffic being sent into a network in a specified period (bandwidth throttling), or the maximum rate at which the traffic is sent (rate limiting), or more complex criteria such as GCRA. This control can be accomplished in many ways and for many reasons; however traffic shaping is always achieved by delaying packets. Traffic shaping is commonly applied at the network edges to control traffic entering the network, but can also be applied by the traffic source (for example, computer or network card) or by an element in the network. Traffic policing is the distinct but related practice of packet dropping and packet marking.
To put it simply, Traffic Shaping is the act of intentionally introducing additional delays for certain kinds of internet traffic in order to prioritize other kinds of traffic. This also can include "traffic policing," which is actually dropping or blocking packets in order to insure a certain amount of speed or bandwidth.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt Someone is gonna have to explain what "Traffic Shaping" is please.
Also someone is gonna have to explain why it ONLY affects EVE but none of my other internet applications if it is truly the culprit. When it happens to me, the whole traceroute to anything EVE related goes dead for like a minute, can that really be caused by this traffic shaping?
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SirMolly
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:02:00 -
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This ISP is not doing any traffic shapping. It's a routing problem.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Originally by: An Anarchyyt Someone is gonna have to explain what "Traffic Shaping" is please.
Also someone is gonna have to explain why it ONLY affects EVE but none of my other internet applications if it is truly the culprit.
Well, ISPs would block packets that would **** off the smallest amount of customers. Since EVE online is a relatively small game they would block it since only a few of their customers are likely to be screwed over by it.
Quote: When it happens to me, the whole traceroute to anything EVE related goes dead for like a minute, can that really be caused by this traffic shaping?
Probably not - have you done a traceroute and determined where the hangup is? ---------------- Tarminic - 32 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.3 (NEW VERSION!) |
Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 11/02/2008 19:08:53
Originally by: Tarminic Probably not - have you done a traceroute and determined where the hangup is?
Kinda hard to tell where exactly since the whole damn way goes **** up when I d/c. All my hops are Level3 hosts though, and yesterday one of them (ae-1-110.ebr1.London1.Level3.net) had constantly 50%+ packet loss, so I have some suspicions...
There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Originally by: An Anarchyyt Someone is gonna have to explain what "Traffic Shaping" is please.
Also someone is gonna have to explain why it ONLY affects EVE but none of my other internet applications if it is truly the culprit. When it happens to me, the whole traceroute to anything EVE related goes dead for like a minute, can that really be caused by this traffic shaping?
It's not only EVE but also other packets that aren't "usual internet things".
ISPs do this to throttle bandwidth to ensure that "usual internet things" are prioritized. Things like browsing the web (http) and so on.
Traffic shaping is usually done by ISPs that value money over customer satisfaction. They oversell their bandwidth, and then in prime time when the most users are "online" they they start traffic shape in order to keep the John Does that only use their bandwidth for web surfing happy.
EVE is caught in the category with P2P programs and other activities that suffer from such methods.
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Agent Li
Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.02.11 19:16:00 -
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Delaying packets that were meant to go to and from you and the Eve server would really bork things up.
The traffic shaping is mostly aimed at online games (certain ones) and p2p file sharing (all of them).
It will be on and off during certain portions of the day.
In some cases, you can pay for premium service and avoid the whole thing.
Here in the US, Cox Communications (my ISP) does traffic shaping. If you're on their base tier of broadband service (15MB/sec), you'll get shaped for 19 dollars a month. If you pay 70 dollars a month, you won't get shaped.
Verizon FioS is even screwier - they not only shape, but if you exceed 8 GB per month in downstream traffic per month, your service will suddenly stop with no warning - until the 1st of the next month. It's in the fine print.
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Jirden T'zisaar
Minmatar Rent-o-Kill
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Posted - 2008.02.11 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: SirMolly I got the same problem and the same ISP.
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Same problem and same ISP (T-Online in Germany) here. Very annoying..
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Leon Blue
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.02.11 23:40:00 -
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Same problem here.
So what are we supposed to do? Get a new provider, hope that ccp kicks t-coms butt, kick t-coms butt ourselves?
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Ademius Knortak
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.12 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Ademius Knortak on 12/02/2008 00:20:23 same crap here ... was like all 5 minutes in the afternoon and got better in the evening but still not acceptable.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.02.12 00:34:00 -
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Heh, wouldn't surprise me if the telecon is pulling a tiscali on eve. It sure would fit with their service policies. Good thing I'm using a local provider and not having such issues. -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
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Tenchu Cha
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Posted - 2008.02.12 10:16:00 -
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Same Problem here
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.12 10:23:00 -
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Quick question, is there any way to determine for sure if your ISP has introduced traffic shaping?
I ask because my ISP has recently got a lot worse for certain things, and I want to know for certain if they're shaping or not. Since I specifically went with them because they advertised that they DIDN'T use traffic shaping, if they now do then I can get angry with them :p ________________________________________________________________
Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.02.12 10:51:00 -
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I had a loose connection once, but then I tightened it and everything was ok. --
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar KULT Production Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.12 11:23:00 -
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From the information that was so far gathered in the ingame channel "Hilfe" the Telekom is already aware of the problem. At least hat is what a reply to one of our complaints said. So it may get fixed soonish[tm]. *prays* -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim |
Fantasia Freelance
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Posted - 2008.02.12 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: turnschuh anyone else got the problem?
Yes, on 2 different PCs here. Other Internet traffic is unaffected by the Eve client disconnects and restarts.
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