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Rogue 2 Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.13 00:37:00 - [1] Bought a P^2 account with the idea of skilling it up then selling for ISK. But now brother in NC (I live in TX) wants to give EVE a shot. I figured the P^2 account might be an easy way for him to get going (it's at 4mil SP now) and then i could just give it to him if he likes it. Are there any prohibitions to him using it while it's still "mine"? I assume if he liked it enough, he'd have to buy a product key, but I'm really just thinking for a week or two right now.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.13 00:40:00 - [2] it's perfectly okay to 'give' someone your account so long as you're no longer using it. You can still get by with Account sharing, but CCP dosen't endorse it (it's also against the EULA) so if he messes something up for you/tries to steal stuff/etc then there's nothing CCP can do about it.
Matalino Gallente Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.02.13 00:50:00 - [3] CCP does not allow account sharing. That is it, end of policy. The only thing that comes remotely close to an acception is accounts registered on behalf of children. If you give your brother your password, it might go unnoticed. However, if you have the slightest problem or dispute over the account, CCP will quite likely ban the account and possibly every other account owned by your brother and yourself. Just have your brother start a trial account, then he can build his own character as he sees fit.
Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2008.02.13 00:54:00 - [4] The only way to "give" it to him is to have him sign up with a trial account, and then pay the $20 character transfer fee to transfer the char over to him. That's perfectly within the EULA and you will not be risking anything.
Blind Man1 Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.02.13 01:11:00 - [5] as long as CCP gets no complaints about the ownership of the account, etc.. they won't take action against anything. its not like they could even tell without seriously looking into it and its not like they would be able to prove anything.. in any case there is no way they would ban a paying customer for account sharing if there were no disputes..
Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2008.02.13 01:24:00 - [6] Edited by: Helganstandt on 13/02/2008 01:27:36 Originally by: Blind Man1 as long as CCP gets no complaints about the ownership of the account, etc.. they won't take action against anything. its not like they could even tell without seriously looking into it and its not like they would be able to prove anything.. in any case there is no way they would ban a paying customer for account sharing if there were no disputes.. This is wrong. I'm not allowed to give out specific names, but one of my former corp mates was banned because his RL friend gave him an account and they didn't do the transfer fee. There were no account disputes or any petitions made to make CCP look into it, they just banned him one day. I'm guessing they did a credit card check, noticed it changed names, and then did an IP check and noticed they weren't in the same area and using different IPs. You might be able to get away with it if you keep it on your credit card, but since he's in a different state the IP's will be different and could lead to suspicion. I suggest playing it safe and do the transfer fee. Edit: Also, he has been trying for months to get this character back, CCP has plain out told him no and to start a new character. Keeps getting escalated to senior GM's and then shot down. CCP isn't exactly known for their customer service.
Rogue 2 Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.13 01:32:00 - [7] Edited by: Rogue 2 on 13/02/2008 01:34:54 Edited by: Rogue 2 on 13/02/2008 01:33:20 Sorry, I may not have been clear. I would not be using the P^2 at all (not even using it now). I'd be playing my main account while he plays the P^2. in that sense, there would be no account sharing, would there? or is the mere fact that my name is on the account while he uses it considered "sharing"? I'd like to avoid xferring until the 6 months of the P^2 are up to save the monthly fees (I assume the 6 months doesn't transfer with the toon). EDIT: upon closer reading, Helganstandt may have answered my question. but I'll still leave the above response out there for clarification in case it changes anything.
Khatred ReallyPissedOff Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2008.02.13 01:32:00 - [8] In theory not even your spouse can use your account. Guess CCP is trying to protect you from being screwed by your spouse!
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.13 01:34:00 - [9] a very good thing in my experience Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Helganstandt Finis Lumen	Posted - 2008.02.13 01:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Rogue 2 Edited by: Rogue 2 on 13/02/2008 01:33:20 Sorry, I may not have been clear. I would not be using the P^2 at all (not even using it now). I'd be playing my main account while he plays the P^2. in that sense, there would be no account sharing, would there? or is the mere fact that my name is on the account while he uses it considered "sharing"? EDIT: upon closer reading, Helganstandt may have answered my question. but I'll still leave the above response out there for clarification in case it changes anything. If the account is originally bought under your name, it is yours and no one else is allowed access to it. You have to do a character transfer if you want to give him the character to keep good in CCP's eyes. Though in all honesty, why don't you email them and ask? If they say it's ok then at least you have fodder if they end up banning you I guess....
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.13 01:39:00 - [11] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 13/02/2008 01:39:23 Originally by: Helganstandt I'm guessing they did a credit card check, noticed it changed names, and then did an IP check and noticed they weren't in the same area and using different IPs. Was using parent's CC. Moved out, got own CC and on different ISP = ban of perfectly innocent player? Also, dynamic IPs.
NightF0x Gallente Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.13 01:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Khatred In theory not even your spouse can use your account. Guess CCP is trying to protect you from being screwed by your spouse! if you have a spouse then chances are you aren't getting screwed anyway ------------------------------------
Khatred ReallyPissedOff Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2008.02.13 01:52:00 - [13] Originally by: NightF0x Originally by: Khatred In theory not even your spouse can use your account. Guess CCP is trying to protect you from being screwed by your spouse! if you have a spouse then chances are you aren't getting screwed anyway You have to twist the knife in the wound, do you?
Blind Man1 Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.02.13 02:05:00 - [14] Originally by: Helganstandt Edited by: Helganstandt on 13/02/2008 01:27:36 Originally by: Blind Man1 as long as CCP gets no complaints about the ownership of the account, etc.. they won't take action against anything. its not like they could even tell without seriously looking into it and its not like they would be able to prove anything.. in any case there is no way they would ban a paying customer for account sharing if there were no disputes.. This is wrong. I'm not allowed to give out specific names, but one of my former corp mates was banned because his RL friend gave him an account and they didn't do the transfer fee. There were no account disputes or any petitions made to make CCP look into it, they just banned him one day. I'm guessing they did a credit card check, noticed it changed names, and then did an IP check and noticed they weren't in the same area and using different IPs. You might be able to get away with it if you keep it on your credit card, but since he's in a different state the IP's will be different and could lead to suspicion. I suggest playing it safe and do the transfer fee. Edit: Also, he has been trying for months to get this character back, CCP has plain out told him no and to start a new character. Keeps getting escalated to senior GM's and then shot down. CCP isn't exactly known for their customer service. yeah I see why that happened, I guess im talking more about account sharing than actually giving someone your account and letting them change the information
RedLion Caldari Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.13 03:58:00 - [15] It's not illegal for another person to pay for your accounts... I.e. an older brother etc... And I don't believe for a second that CCP would ban for "change" of billing person. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The Gallenteans must be destroyed - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.02.13 04:05:00 - [16] OP, save yourself potential hassle by paying the transfer fee... since it's your brother, you can always get the account back, right? The EULA is clear that you can be banned for sharing. Whether you are or not is a matter of opinion. Personally, I wouldn't risk my sp by risking my account access. Pay the man. If he's only looking to try Eve for a week or two, he's probably better off starting a trial account and seeing if he even likes Eve before he risks your character access. Eve, after all, is definitely not everyone's cup of tea. Originally by: Mangala Solaris EVE really doesnt have set goals, its a freeform sandbox - yes a sandbox with kids that occasionally take a dump in it, but a sandbox never the less.
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.13 04:15:00 - [17] A change of billing is not really a problem. I was paying for my brother's account for a bit, but then he took over paying it once he turned 18 and got a credit card. There are "billing details" and "account details"... I think it only throws up red flags if you change the account details. One of my alliance mates got an account temp-banned once, because he travels for work and his account (all over North America, Japan on occasion, and all over Europe), and the reason for the temp ban was "logging on from multiple IP addresses". But he dropped them an email saying he traveled for work, and it got sorted out. Even with dynamic IP addresses... they are only dynamic withing a region (as I understand it). You may get a different IP address each time you log in, but if you're a North American player you probably won't get an IP address who's region is Europe. Now Recruiting. Join "Neogen" channel for details
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.13 06:58:00 - [18] You cannot do it anymore since you talked about it. ** GM's are already wiretapping your chats and your phones. In my point of view, your account is yours. As long as you don't * up with it and break EULA by getting caught of f.ex. isk buying you can do whatever you want with it. I will prolly get under wiretap by saying that but luckily, I have nothing to hide! ^^;; "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of gold"**

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.02.13 10:23:00 - [19] Just to clear up your question, Rogue, Account sharing is not permitted. The only way your brother can use the 4 mil sp character on your power of 2 account is if he creates his own account and you transfer the character to him. Navigator, Community Representative EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang

Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2008.02.13 10:48:00 - [20] Originally by: CCP Navigator Just to clear up your question, Rogue, Account sharing is not permitted. The only way your brother can use the 4 mil sp character on your power of 2 account is if he creates his own account and you transfer the character to him. In the case of direct family members, CCP does not take any action for account sharing. I have a link to Wrangler confirming this on my home computer (I am in uni at the moment) and can post it when I get home if required. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.13 10:52:00 - [21] Originally by: CCP Navigator Just to clear up your question, Rogue, Account sharing is not permitted. The only way your brother can use the 4 mil sp character on your power of 2 account is if he creates his own account and you transfer the character to him. same but then again when I asked years ago it was about my wife not my brother. what I got was, no you can't share, but your related and share bills so we won't take action. I mean you can't really say were sharing now can you? hehehe :P
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2008.02.13 10:56:00 - [22] Originally by: MotherMoon what I got was, no you can't share, but your related and share bills so we won't take action. It may be only if you live in the same house (and therefore share an internet connection) that CCP won't take action, but I'll have to check the wording of the quote when I get home. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.13 10:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: MotherMoon what I got was, no you can't share, but your related and share bills so we won't take action. It may be only if you live in the same house (and therefore share an internet connection) that CCP won't take action, but I'll have to check the wording of the quote when I get home. please do I can't find mine anymore.
Rarkal Caldari Brotherhood of Polar Equation Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.13 11:16:00 - [24] If I have multiple personality disorder do I have to buy an account for each personality?
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2008.02.13 19:48:00 - [25] Originally by: MotherMoon please do I can't find mine anymore. Found it: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=598066&page=1#24 You were right, it's only if you're living together as they can't make a rule banning account sharing for people who live together since they can't reliably tell that it's happening. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Druadan Institute of Fungineering	Posted - 2008.02.13 19:56:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Navigator Just to clear up your question, Rogue, Account sharing is not permitted. The only way your brother can use the 4 mil sp character on your power of 2 account is if he creates his own account and you transfer the character to him. So if I stop playing EVE and want to give my accounts to someone, I have to have them set up two accounts and then pay the character transfer fee for each character on those accounts? That's... I want to say ridiculous but I'm not sure that quite covers it.
Sirex007 Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.02.13 19:58:00 - [27] Originally by: Helganstandt Edited by: Helganstandt on 13/02/2008 01:27:36 Originally by: Blind Man1 as long as CCP gets no complaints about the ownership of the account, etc.. they won't take action against anything. its not like they could even tell without seriously looking into it and its not like they would be able to prove anything.. in any case there is no way they would ban a paying customer for account sharing if there were no disputes.. This is wrong. I'm not allowed to give out specific names, but one of my former corp mates was banned because his RL friend gave him an account and they didn't do the transfer fee. There were no account disputes or any petitions made to make CCP look into it, they just banned him one day. I'm guessing they did a credit card check, noticed it changed names, and then did an IP check and noticed they weren't in the same area and using different IPs. You might be able to get away with it if you keep it on your credit card, but since he's in a different state the IP's will be different and could lead to suspicion. I suggest playing it safe and do the transfer fee. paypal ?
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.02.13 20:00:00 - [28] but.. what if you have a split personality, and one day one personality uses the account , the next the other does. is this in breach of eula?
Auron Shadowbane Pelennor Swarm	Posted - 2008.02.13 20:05:00 - [29] Originally by: slothe but.. what if you have a split personality, and one day one personality uses the account , the next the other does. is this in breach of eula? only if you have a medicall document to prove said disorder. and then those perosnalities usually life in the same palce so ccp won't interfere.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.13 20:17:00 - [30] Originally by: slothe but.. what if you have a split personality, and one day one personality uses the account , the next the other does. is this in breach of eula? by this logic jenny spit fire should have her own spot in the eula

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