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Kale Kold
Caldari V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:17:00 -
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Me and my mate was thinking today about the risk versus reward to carebear mission runners. We all know that lvl4 missions have a good payout and lots of people run them with little or no risk.
We also know that CCP and players would like to see more people in lowsec.
The solution: move ALL lvl4 missions into lowsec.
This would both get more targets into lowsec and add that element of risk to carebear mission runners. Lets get things moving on this and start asking CCP for change.
Balance if ever i saw it!
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:19:00 -
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Or everyone would just find incredibly fast ways to complete level 3 missions, hardly anyone will do level 4 missions anymore in the same way that hardly anyone does level five missions! SWEET! ---------------- Tarminic - 32 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.3 (NEW VERSION!) |
Orin Valari
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:20:00 -
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!search == fail
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:20:00 -
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Or maybe they could introduce a higher level mission that is only offered in low sec.
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Ralara
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:20:00 -
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Ur the first person to think of that. -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons.
THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK.
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic Or everyone would just find incredibly fast ways to complete level 3 missions, hardly anyone will do level 4 missions anymore in the same way that hardly anyone does level five missions! SWEET!
^ That, or you'd have mass exodus of mission runners from the game. /me shrugs.
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Dalek Commander
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:24:00 -
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Poor little piwate getting sick of being concorded in highsec chasing after CNRs? If you had any balls you would go after people doing complexes in 0.0, but that would mean you were actually taking a risk huh.
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Plave Okice
Gallente Red.
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:26:00 -
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This has been discussed forever and always ends up in 8 pages of flames.
Now there is salvage there is too much reward for L4's though given the risk I agree, indeed for NPCing in general. Remove the ISK faucet that is NPC bounties.
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Maulith
V i r u s
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:35:00 -
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All hail the carebear coconut shy that would be low sec!
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.02.13 16:42:00 -
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I actually make better isk running two lvl 3 q20 agents than i would with a single lvl 4 q20. i can run 6 missions an hour if i push it. for around 18k lp. -
At last the Gallente can finally lay claim to saying... "my DICtor" is bigger than yours.
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Phaige
Minmatar Reaver Construction Services
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ogdru Jahad I actually make better isk running two lvl 3 q20 agents than i would with a single lvl 4 q20. i can run 6 missions an hour if i push it. for around 18k lp.
Agreed. I have been doing lv3s in a Jaguar lately. Was suprised to find that I could do them in that even faster then a BC -----------------------------------------------
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:51:00 -
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How do all those npc's get in highsec anyways
also lvl4's to lowsec isn't the answer as some have stated they'll just run lvl3's. Dynamic agent quality based on the agents relative use is the answer.
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Vagel
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Vagel on 13/02/2008 17:54:34 I would never take a faction fitted CNR to lowsec, risking 1,5 to 2 bill in a missionsetup is just NOT worth it.
I would NEVER do level 4's in any other ship - so, i guess that's the problem :P
Noone want's to get shoot down in a missionship - to actually DO the level 4's, you need to make a major investment in faction gear/rigs/faction ship - and to risk it to a pirate gatecamp just isnt worth it at all.
EDIT: Check all qual 20 agents, level 4. They HAVE been moved allready - but that really doesnt solve anything. Anyone to be so STUPID as to go mission around the new qual. 20 agent's SHOULD be shoot down.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Angel DeMorphis
Originally by: Tarminic Or everyone would just find incredibly fast ways to complete level 3 missions, hardly anyone will do level 4 missions anymore in the same way that hardly anyone does level five missions! SWEET!
^ That, or you'd have mass exodus of mission runners from the game. /me shrugs.
These prophecies of doom never really follow through. Remember highsec freighter kills? remember how IT WAS THE END OF EMPIRE TRADE AS WE KNOW IT!?
yeah
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dalek Commander Poor little piwate getting sick of being concorded in highsec chasing after CNRs? If you had any balls you would go after people doing complexes in 0.0, but that would mean you were actually taking a risk huh.
Did he say he was going after Raven Navy Issues?, Also good luck crashing a complex with the way local works
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Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vagel Edited by: Vagel on 13/02/2008 17:54:34 I would never take a faction fitted CNR to lowsec, risking 1,5 to 2 bill in a missionsetup is just NOT worth it.
I would NEVER do level 4's in any other ship - so, i guess that's the problem :P
Noone want's to get shoot down in a missionship - to actually DO the level 4's, you need to make a major investment in faction gear/rigs/faction ship - and to risk it to a pirate gatecamp just isnt worth it at all.
EDIT: Check all qual 20 agents, level 4. They HAVE been moved allready - but that really doesnt solve anything. Anyone to be so STUPID as to go mission around the new qual. 20 agent's SHOULD be shoot down.
I seem to be able to do lvl 4 missions in a standard Raven with T1 launchers and T2 tank with no problem what so ever. Perhaps I'm doing them wrong?
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 13/02/2008 17:58:43 mispost
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Vagel
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Posted - 2008.02.13 17:58:00 -
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No, you dont do them wrong, but WAY too slow (compared to what you could make of ISK dooing level 3's solo in that setup!)
If you are a hardcore missionrunner, you invest to make it pay off fast.
BTW, i have been there, T2 fitted standart raven - and it's dooable. However - there will be a lot of missions you have to turn down. That is NOT the case in a well fitted faction CNR.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.13 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Vagel Edited by: Vagel on 13/02/2008 17:54:34 I would never take a faction fitted CNR to lowsec, risking 1,5 to 2 bill in a missionsetup is just NOT worth it.
I would NEVER do level 4's in any other ship - so, i guess that's the problem :P
Noone want's to get shoot down in a missionship - to actually DO the level 4's, you need to make a major investment in faction gear/rigs/faction ship - and to risk it to a pirate gatecamp just isnt worth it at all.
Not an estamels fitted Raven Navy Issue
Not an estamels fitted Raven Navy Issue
Not an estamels fitted raven navy issue
Not an estamels fitted raven navy issue
Not an estamels fitted Raven Navy Issue
Not an estamels fitted Raven Navy Issue
Not an estamels fitted raven navy issue
Not an estamels fitted Raven Navy Issue
Not an estamels fitted Raven Navy Issue
Not an estamels fitted Raven Navy Issue
Not an estamels fitted Raven Navy Issue
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Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
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Posted - 2008.02.13 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vagel No, you dont do them wrong, but WAY too slow (compared to what you could make of ISK dooing level 3's solo in that setup!)
If you are a hardcore missionrunner, you invest to make it pay off fast.
BTW, i have been there, T2 fitted standart raven - and it's dooable. However - there will be a lot of missions you have to turn down. That is NOT the case in a well fitted faction CNR.
Tbh, I never turn down a mission except for the ones against other faction navies, and that's just because I like to be able to fly everywhere. Can't say the missions are that slow either. My main problem with the faction ship route though: Why even bother doing missions if all you are spending your cash on is pimped out ships for more missions? I run my missions in a cheapo fit - effectively I might add - and I use the isk for pvp ships.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.02.13 18:05:00 -
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basically, what it boils down to:
- If they move L4s to low-sec, carebears whine and/or quit, CCP loses money
- If they make low-sec safe, pirates/antipirates whine and/or quit, 0.0 people will demand more people move out of empire and into 0.0, carebears demand 0.0 is made safer first, risk vs reward, etc.
Any change on CCPs part will likely cost them lost revenue, basically, which is why they're probably not doing anything. I'm not sure what the real solution is, but seeing this game tumble to PvE carebear fluffy haven would be saddening.
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Earl Black
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Posted - 2008.02.13 18:18:00 -
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Seems to come up every now and again, OP's never seem to twig ALL the high lvl 4 agents are already there in low sec, any who want to can already run lvl 4 missions for the max reward in LP/isk.
Time and again the call goes out, somehow improve low sec, all sorts of ideas but dragging missions runners always pops in there somewhere, if your not a pet of some overlord or your best buddies is friends with a friend of a friend, you wont last long.
Yes its not fun strays and innocents are your main fodder, donĘt like it adapt like the rest of us, go 0.0 plenty of targets there only too willing to oblige.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.13 18:24:00 -
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AFAIK the only difference between the highsec lvl4 high quality agents and the lowsec lvl4 high quality agents is about 200k an hour.
And that is problem 1.
Problem 2 is that we as space pirates know where the good systems are and will squeeze the life out of them. You need agents to move around every once and a while. You need MORE agents Murethand is a high quality agent system and I always see an onyx sitting outside of it waiting for treats. You have to move the agents around every once and a while if you want to attract the solo players
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.13 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina 0.0 people will demand more people move out of empire and into 0.0
I have never, ever heard anyone living in 0.0 saying they want more people (people in general) to move out from empire space into 0.0.
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KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2008.02.13 18:43:00 -
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my wallet is disagree with you , i runned missions for nearly 5hours today and got 50m. Please go and do lvl4s and and tll us how much you are making per hour while running massive attack/score/Unauthorized Military Presence/stop the thieve. Funny thing i have a miner alt with exhumers 5 and could (i did not recalculate at last times may not be accurate now) make 30m-40m easily per hour in 0.0 btw i did missions with NH and i have 6m sp at missile skills
Originally by: Kale Kold Me and my mate was thinking today about the risk versus reward to carebear mission runners
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Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.13 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: KISOGOKU my wallet is disagree with you , i runned missions for nearly 5hours today and got 50m. Please go and do lvl4s and and tll us how much you are making per hour while running massive attack/score/Unauthorized Military Presence/stop the thieve. Funny thing i have a miner alt with exhumers 5 and could (i did not recalculate at last times may not be accurate now) make 30m-40m easily per hour in 0.0 btw i did missions with NH and i have 6m sp at missile skills
Originally by: Kale Kold Me and my mate was thinking today about the risk versus reward to carebear mission runners
Not sure who you're disagreeing with, but running Lvl 4 missions in a Raven, not a Nighthawk, earns me, as a noob Lvl 4 mission runner who still thinks his BS/missile skills aren't good enough, at least 13 Mil in an hour. I haven't calculated yet, but probably closer to 20 or more counting only the loot I picked up while actually running that mission (yes, I have a tractor beam on my Raven). So, I can easily see getting into a CNR, and especially if you salvage/loot afterwords, getting 30 - 40 Mil easily an hour.
So, my wallet is disagree with you, my good man.
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KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2008.02.13 18:58:00 -
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STFU ,if you are running massive attack/score/Unauthorized Military Presence/stop the thieves in a raven instead a NH you have no clue, please stop the reply to evrything.Btw my wallet is disagree with Op who could be ,did not you even look to quete? stop the trolling forums
Originally by: Angel DeMorphis
Not sure who you're disagreeing with, but running Lvl 4 missions in a Raven, not a Nighthawk, .
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Dalek Commander
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Posted - 2008.02.13 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Dalek Commander Poor little piwate getting sick of being concorded in highsec chasing after CNRs? If you had any balls you would go after people doing complexes in 0.0, but that would mean you were actually taking a risk huh.
Did he say he was going after Raven Navy Issues?, Also good luck crashing a complex with the way local works
It doesn't take much to conclude that the OP wants to gank faction fitted faction BS's in lowsec running level 4 missions. I could be wrong, but I doubt. If all the level 4 agents were moved to low sec, no one would bother doing level 4's because why risk 1/2 a billion or more worth of ships/mods when the pirates are risking nearly nothing in return?
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Frug
True Foundation R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.02.13 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Vagel to actually DO the level 4's, you need to make a major investment in faction gear/rigs/faction ship
Not if you're good at eve. All you need is some t2 shields. Sorry.
Also, a CNR makes it easy and only costs 500million.
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JR Cash
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Posted - 2008.02.13 19:17:00 -
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Simple answer. Move every single agent in the universe to Jita. And make Jita 0.0
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