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Rathverg
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.15 03:57:00 -
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Solo PVP harb Setup
High:
x6 Focused Medium Beam Laser II w/Amarr Navy Multifreaks
x1 Medium Nosferatu II
x1 Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Mid:
x1 Medium Electorchemical Capasitor Booster I
x1 X5 Prototype I Engine Elivator
x1 10MN AB II
x1 Warp Disruptor II
Low:
x1 Medium Armor Rep II
x3 N-type hardners Kenetic, Thermic, and Exsplosive
x1 Refuge Adaptive Nano Plating
x1 Damage Control II
Drone:
x5 Hammerhead's II or
x5 Valkyrie II's (to spread damage)
This setup does a little less dps then a pulse setup but put it this way with a pulse setup you can do more dps but he can also active tank with this setup he could not really tank due to the lack of cap.... This setup Deals 386 DPS and tanks 135 dps have fun with it....
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.02.15 04:25:00 -
[2]
 Originally by: Rathverg
This setup does a little less dps then a pulse setup but put it this way with a pulse setup you can do more dps but he can also active tank with this setup he could not really tank due to the lack of cap....
That i don't understand. Not only will a pulse setup deal more damage but it will also be more cap efficient and easier to tank be it actively or by hp mostly.
Also if you are solo you need to be within 24km. So at these ranges pulses will be superior because they have the needed range and better tracking and more damage. They are also easier to fit and consume less cap. Tough choice. 
I doubt you could even kill a thorax with that setup.
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Rathverg
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.15 04:33:00 -
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Acttually you would be suprised on what you can kill with this setup ive killed a couple pirates in Hac's and some others in BC's so this is an affective setup not only could it kill a thorax easly it can kill Pretty much BC sized Vessles and below exept commandships
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.02.15 04:41:00 -
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Edited by: Wu Jiun on 15/02/2008 04:45:09
Edited by: Wu Jiun on 15/02/2008 04:44:46
Originally by: Rathverg
Acttually you would be suprised on what you can kill with this setup ive killed a couple pirates in Hac's and some others in BC's so this is an affective setup not only could it kill a thorax easly it can kill Pretty much BC sized Vessles and below exept commandships
I've once killed an armageddon in an omen. However that doesn't imply my Omen fit was good but that the guy had no idea what he was doing. Indeed i remember he had long range weapons also. Howitzers though maybe a bit more crazy than beams really.
I have no trouble believing that you have killed a lot of people who had even worse fittings or were noobs. I do however doubt that this thing could kill my pulse harbinger which does more damage, has much better tank and is faster.
But whatever works for you.
Edit: 7 x fmp, mwd, web, scram, med inject, 1600mm RT, eanm, dmg control, med rep, 2 x hs, 3 x trimark
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xXHitmanXx
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Posted - 2008.02.15 04:42:00 -
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Hate to say this, as much as I love to solo pvp, there is no more. It always gangs/big fleets, But I like the setup
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Rathverg
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.15 04:53:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Wu Jiun
Edited by: Wu Jiun on 15/02/2008 04:45:09
Edited by: Wu Jiun on 15/02/2008 04:44:46
Originally by: Rathverg
Acttually you would be suprised on what you can kill with this setup ive killed a couple pirates in Hac's and some others in BC's so this is an affective setup not only could it kill a thorax easly it can kill Pretty much BC sized Vessles and below exept commandships
I've once killed an armageddon in an omen. However that doesn't imply my Omen fit was good but that the guy had no idea what he was doing. Indeed i remember he had long range weapons also. Howitzers though maybe a bit more crazy than beams really.
I have no trouble believing that you have killed a lot of people who had even worse fittings or were noobs. I do however doubt that this thing could kill my pulse harbinger which does more damage, has much better tank and is faster.
But whatever works for you.
Edit: 7 x fmp, mwd, web, scram, med inject, 1600mm RT, eanm, dmg control, med rep, 2 x hs, 3 x trimark
oh boy..... Some people i have killed were noobs yes but the hac's were not noobs and had pretty good setup's and as i have stated this setup does do less then a pulse setup yes but its the fact that it will be hard to tank with no cap and thats regaursless if your a noob or not
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Ashira Twilight
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Posted - 2008.02.15 05:27:00 -
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My alt used to use this setup
7x FMP2
1x Small Neut
1x web
1x warp disruptor(best named most likely)
1x 10mn mwd2
1x med cap booster
1x heat sink 2
1x 1600mm rolled tungsten
1x kin hardener
1x exp hardener
1x therm hardener
1x MAR2
Only one heat sink, and you'll end up using named hardeners. The plate though, is a must.
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Rathverg
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.15 05:34:00 -
[8]
nice setup there Ashira can you fitt a medium Newt?
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Lamiah
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Posted - 2008.02.15 07:15:00 -
[9]
I like this setup:
[Harbinger]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Faint Warp Prohibitor I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
[empty high slot]
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
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Ararius
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2008.02.15 09:12:00 -
[10]
Nano it
It's the only way to be sure
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.15 11:20:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Rathverg
Solo PVP harb Setup
High:
x6 Focused Medium Beam Laser II w/Amarr Navy Multifreaks
x1 Medium Nosferatu II
x1 Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Mid:
x1 Medium Electorchemical Capasitor Booster I
x1 X5 Prototype I Engine Elivator
x1 10MN AB II
x1 Warp Disruptor II
Low:
x1 Medium Armor Rep II
x3 N-type hardners Kenetic, Thermic, and Exsplosive
x1 Refuge Adaptive Nano Plating
x1 Damage Control II
Drone:
x5 Hammerhead's II or
x5 Valkyrie II's (to spread damage)
Will get *eaten* by any competent BC pilot.
First off, Amarr have the benefit of the longest-ranged short-range guns. Pulses - use them. They get more DPS then beams and can cover all the way from 0km to 24km relatively efficently.
Secondly, 10MN AB is very risky for two purposes:
(a) if you jump into a gatecamp and you have a AB, you almost certainly die
(b) if you attack a blasterboat (like a, say, Brutix), he MWDs up to your optimal and you, again, die.
So fit a 10MN MWD - because solo PvP requires roaming and roaming is just too damn risky without a MWD, particularly once you're flashing red and sentries won't move a finger to help you.
Lastly, I'm not a Amarr pilot* so take this with a grain of salt, but the Harbringer seems in many ways like a slower Hurricane with better performance at range. Now the Hurricane and the Harbringer (unlike the Drake/Myrmidon) both get ganking bonuses instead of tanking bonuses, and their DPS outputs are somewhere on par with the Harbringer doing better at range (longer optimal) and the Hurricane doing somewhat better up close. All the gank bonused ships imo cry without a damage mod, so I'd probably fit a heatsink II there.
As for the other slots, you could either try to plate it (and then fit more damage mods for maximum gankage) or do a 2x MAR II, 2x EANM II, 1x DC II tank (which is going to be relatively crappy so you should absolutely try not to be on top of the more damaging targets, the 210 or so DPS tank you get isn't very good).
*I fly almost exclusively Minmatar despite starting out Gallente, I love Minmatar ships & flying style, I'd sooner fly Amarr then Gallente really) so I don't exactly know how cap stable a Harbringer with good skills is from personal use. Then again, it should probably work with BC IV+max cap skills (requirement for heat, which you really really really want on the ship for a number of reasons).
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Rathverg
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.15 12:49:00 -
[12]
Edited by: Rathverg on 15/02/2008 12:50:35
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 15/02/2008 11:26:56
Originally by: Rathverg
Solo PVP harb Setup
High:
x6 Focused Medium Beam Laser II w/Amarr Navy Multifreaks
x1 Medium Nosferatu II
x1 Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Mid:
x1 Medium Electorchemical Capasitor Booster I
x1 X5 Prototype I Engine Elivator
x1 10MN AB II
x1 Warp Disruptor II
Low:
x1 Medium Armor Rep II
x3 N-type hardners Kenetic, Thermic, and Exsplosive
x1 Refuge Adaptive Nano Plating
x1 Damage Control II
Drone:
x5 Hammerhead's II or
x5 Valkyrie II's (to spread damage)
Will get *eaten* by any competent BC pilot.
First off, Amarr have the benefit of the longest-ranged short-range guns. Pulses - use them. They get more DPS then beams and can cover all the way from 0km to 24km relatively efficently.
Secondly, 10MN AB is very risky for two purposes:
(a) if you jump into a gatecamp and you have a AB, you almost certainly die
(b) if you attack a blasterboat (like a, say, Brutix), he MWDs up to your optimal and you, again, die.
So fit a 10MN MWD - because solo PvP requires roaming and roaming is just too damn risky without a MWD, particularly once you're flashing red and sentries won't move a finger to help you.
Lastly, I'm not a Amarr pilot* so take this with a grain of salt, but the Harbringer seems in many ways like a slower Hurricane with better performance at range. Now the Hurricane and the Harbringer (unlike the Drake/Myrmidon) both get ganking bonuses instead of tanking bonuses, and their DPS outputs are somewhere on par with the Harbringer doing better at range (longer optimal) and the Hurricane doing somewhat better up close. All the gank bonused ships imo cry without a damage mod, so I'd probably fit a heatsink II there.
As for the other slots, you could either try to plate it (and then fit more damage mods for maximum gankage) or do a 2x MAR II, 2x EANM II, 1x DC II tank (which is going to be relatively crappy so you should absolutely try not to be on top of the more damaging targets, the 210 or so DPS tank you get isn't very good).
You could also drop a MAR for a plate and have a single rep setup with a decent buffer, but it would kill your speed/agility so I'm not too sure how would that work.
*I fly almost exclusively Minmatar despite starting out Gallente, I love Minmatar ships & flying style, I'd sooner fly Amarr then Gallente really) so I don't exactly know how cap stable a Harbringer with good skills is from personal use. Then again, it should probably work with BC IV+max cap skills (requirement for heat, which you really really really want on the ship for a number of reasons).
I can show you that this setup is affective and like i stated before which people dont seem to get is the fact it will be hard to tank anything without CAP thats what this setup is desind to do aswell deal good dps in the prosses.... And as far as me getting killed by a BC it will be hard for them to do so without Cap.I have killed Brutix's, Ferox's, Prohicys, Harb's, and Drakes with this setup and That is due to the fact that it was hard to tank dps due to the lack of Cap....
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.15 13:18:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Rathverg
I can show you that this setup is affective and like i stated before which people dont seem to get is the fact it will be hard to tank anything without CAP thats what this setup is desind to do aswell deal good dps in the prosses.... And as far as me getting killed by a BC it will be hard for them to do so without Cap.I have killed Brutix's, Ferox's, Prohicys, Harb's, and Drakes with this setup and That is due to the fact that it was hard to tank dps due to the lack of Cap....
Said setup is horrible due to the fact it will not neut anything effectively enough to shut down its tank while it has paltry tank itself and very crap DPS with BEAMS.
I mean, I'll kill it in a Hurricane without worries, and give me two days to train Gallente/Caldari Cruiser III and I'll kill it in a Myrmidon/Drake without worries as well 
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Rathverg
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.15 14:15:00 -
[14]
Well Sense you have no experince with Harbs and obviously you have no clue what you are talking about im just going to Respond.... "Ummmm Sure"
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Larice
Minmatar
Seven Provinces
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Posted - 2008.02.15 15:40:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Rathverg
Well Sense you have no experince with Harbs and obviously you have no clue what you are talking about im just going to Respond.... "Ummmm Sure"
I am pretty sure that he can beat it easily with his Hurricane. Why? Because you'll never drain enough cap to completely shut his tank down, not to mention capboosters and capless weapons. In the meantime he will do more damage than you, because he's utilising the full damage potential of the Hurricane.
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Rathverg
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.15 15:57:00 -
[16]
Well there is only 1 way to find out isnt there
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lags alt
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Posted - 2008.02.15 16:16:00 -
[17]
Quote:
7x FMP2
1x Small Neut
1x web
1x warp disruptor(best named most likely)
1x 10mn mwd2
1x med cap booster
1x heat sink 2
1x 1600mm rolled tungsten
1x kin hardener
1x exp hardener
1x therm hardener
1x MAR2
Is a nasty setup. Works extremelly well.
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.15 16:21:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Lamiah
I like this setup:
[Harbinger]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Faint Warp Prohibitor I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
[empty high slot]
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
^^ this
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Rathverg
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.15 16:56:00 -
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Nice harb setup Lamiah. My question is this would a medium NewtII fitt in the last high?
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Lamiah
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Posted - 2008.02.15 17:09:00 -
[20]
No, this is a very tight fit.
Only fits with AWU3, E/E V, and has 6 CPU and 13 grid left.
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Amberly Coteaz
Amarr
Blood Corsair's
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.15 17:13:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Rathverg
Nice harb setup Lamiah. My question is this would a medium NewtII fitt in the last high?
No, thats the same setup I use you dont have the grid or the cpu. With a few implants you could fit a small neut but a med is a no go.
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kor anon
Amarr
Keepers of the Holy Bagel
Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.15 17:16:00 -
[22]
i very much doubt that your cap will last very long, even with the booster, you could invest in some ccc rigs but i dont think that will totally solve the problem
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Willy Joe
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Posted - 2008.02.15 17:17:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Lamiah
I like this setup:
[Harbinger]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Faint Warp Prohibitor I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M
[empty high slot]
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
You're better off fitting an armageddon with the amount of money you're investing in the rigs.
@ OP : You posted your setup on a public forum yet you are unable to accept anyone else's suggestion about it.
Try the setup and then you will agree that the setup with pulses does more damage within warp disruptor range and it fits more easily thus giving you an easier time with fitting your beloved Neut 
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Rathverg
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.15 18:06:00 -
[24]
Originally by: kor anon
i very much doubt that your cap will last very long, even with the booster, you could invest in some ccc rigs but i dont think that will totally solve the problem
It will last longer then the fight thats for sure and thats all the cap you really need
And as far as the Medium Newt not fitting Take off the t2 MWD and put a named MWD and it would fitt without rigs or implants
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Rathverg
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.15 18:08:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Willy Joe
@ OP : You posted your setup on a public forum yet you are unable to accept anyone else's suggestion about it.
Who are you talking about willy?
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Julius Romanus
Blood Corsair's
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.15 18:12:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Rathverg
Originally by: kor anon
i very much doubt that your cap will last very long, even with the booster, you could invest in some ccc rigs but i dont think that will totally solve the problem
It will last longer then the fight thats for sure and thats all the cap you really need
And as far as the Medium Newt not fitting Take off the t2 MWD and put a named MWD and it would fitt without rigs or implants
Your setup is horrible. You're expecting to use beams inside med nos/neut range, which is NOT a good idea. The FMP setups that have been listed have more tank, and as much as 2x the gank yours puts out. As well as better tracking. The heavy pulse versions easily double your dammage output.
If you're going to fit beams, fit for 50-70km engagement. With what you have any well fit harb, hurricane(or cyclone! you lose that hard), drake, arbitrator, or nano-omen(ha ha) will have you for a killmail.
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Rathverg
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.15 19:32:00 -
[27]
You know what Julius Romanus you havent faced my harb no one here has faced my harb and im not dissing anyone elses setups im just asking a few questions and Julius before you say someone's setup suck's face them first.... Its a put up or shut up kind of thing
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Julius Romanus
Blood Corsair's
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.15 19:38:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Rathverg
You know what Julius Romanus you havent faced my harb no one here has faced my harb and im not dissing anyone elses setups im just asking a few questions and Julius before you say someone's setup suck's face them first.... Its a put up or shut up kind of thing
Amberly's setup is the one I use, with varying levels of variation. I dont have to face your harb, I fly harbs and I've used both beams and pulses, I know how they work, and how they do not work. Everyone here has told you the same thing, that you have a poor setup, and several good ones have already been given to you.
Frankly, if you really want to keep harping on the "you havent faced my harb" feel free. No one cares. You're always welcome to come to blood blind's hunting grounds and lose your harb there if thats what its going to take for you to start listening to the advice you've been given.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.15 19:46:00 -
[29]
Fit focused medium pulse, and 7 of them.
You should be able to fit all 7 there, and a medium neut; you don't need the nos. FMP will have more damage and you won't have any range problems because you can hit to 20km optimal with scorch.
Fit beams if you're trying to hit from range. You aren't. You have a web and a scram which means you don't need to shoot more than 24km. Your damage outside of that will be so awful anyway that I doubt anything you fight will care about it, and you won't be able to get in range because you have an AB and everything you fight will have MWD fitted.
Your DPS is poor and your tank is extraordinarily poor and you don't have a buffer tank to make your poor tank last a long time. Your range and damage are poor. Your cap warfare is welcome but weak, and you're not going to cap anyone out with it anytime soon before they tear through your poor tank and low EHP, while tanking (if active tanked) or basically ignoring (if buffer tanked) your poor dps.
There are very, very good reasons why nobody likes your setup and that's because it is poor.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.15 19:50:00 -
[30]
P.S. the FMP setup posted is good, I have also used this on the test server with some success:
7x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Conflag)
2x Web, Scram, Small Injector
3x HS II, 1600mm RT, EANM II, DC II
2x Trimark, ACR (powergrid)
5x HammerheadIIs / Med ECM drone
It also doesn't have a MWD but it can work pretty well without one, since basically anything that can scram you is also in scorch range, and I've found that most things don't like getting hit by scorch and will close to web range.
At that point you can dual-web them and open up with conflag - it's worth using in this case because you'll only use it against things that are dualwebbed and therefore not moving.
You can (and probably should) also play with that by dropping the 1600 for an 800 plate and trying to cram a MWD on.
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Fifi LeFume
Griefers Inc.
Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.15 19:56:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Rathverg
Nice harb setup Lamiah. My question is this would a medium NewtII fitt in the last high?
I dont see why you're so insistant on fitting a neut at all on the harb. Your setup in the OP is horrible. Im pretty sure the 'hac's you killed were moronic pilots. I think any other bc will just about take yours down. You're running hardners, beams, and a bloody neut, all on one injector. Good luck killing any competent pilot buddy
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Rathverg
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.15 20:07:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Fifi LeFume
Originally by: Rathverg
Nice harb setup Lamiah. My question is this would a medium NewtII fitt in the last high?
I dont see why you're so insistant on fitting a neut at all on the harb. Your setup in the OP is horrible. Im pretty sure the 'hac's you killed were moronic pilots. I think any other bc will just about take yours down. You're running hardners, beams, and a bloody neut, all on one injector. Good luck killing any competent pilot buddy
Take advice from two noobs lol.... Yes these setup's are pretty good and i will use pulses yes but you guys are hyped up about a damn question i have asked plain and simple I know more about setup's then both of you Fifi, and the guy from blood. Evedintly you dont see the reason. The reason is the Newt gives you an advantage in SOLO pvp It Prevents a person from tanking you constantly Because Frankly Put you need all Advantage you can get in this game Simple as that
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Julius Romanus
Blood Corsair's
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.15 20:11:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Rathverg
Originally by: Fifi LeFume
Originally by: Rathverg
Nice harb setup Lamiah. My question is this would a medium NewtII fitt in the last high?
I dont see why you're so insistant on fitting a neut at all on the harb. Your setup in the OP is horrible. Im pretty sure the 'hac's you killed were moronic pilots. I think any other bc will just about take yours down. You're running hardners, beams, and a bloody neut, all on one injector. Good luck killing any competent pilot buddy
Take advice from two noobs lol.... Yes these setup's are pretty good and i will use pulses yes but you guys are hyped up about a damn question i have asked plain and simple I know more about setup's then both of you Fifi, and the guy from blood. Evedintly you dont see the reason. The reason is the Newt gives you an advantage in SOLO pvp It Prevents a person from tanking you constantly Because Frankly Put you need all Advantage you can get in this game Simple as that
I didnt miss that you fit a neut on your harb. It just doesnt make up for any of your massive fitting errors. Anyway noob, you refuse accept the truth and thats your choice, I'm done with you.
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Rathverg
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.15 20:38:00 -
[34]
Julius your the damn Noob i could whoop your but in a pvp fight and thats a fact. There Are no Massive fitting errors with my setup you Slouch Just better hope i dont find you because your ship will be going bye bye
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.15 21:06:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Rathverg
Julius your the damn Noob i could whoop your but in a pvp fight and thats a fact. There Are no Massive fitting errors with my setup you Slouch Just better hope i dont find you because your ship will be going bye bye
Protip: a single neut doesn't help that much. A solid HAC will wtfpwn you anyway, and a single neut isn't really bothersome to BCs and larger. Everything has injectors, anyway, and you're draining your own cap too.
Can you get onto the test server? I'd be happy to throw any number of harbingers against that thing.
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Encalderante
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Posted - 2008.02.15 22:25:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Wu Jiun
I've once killed an armageddon in an omen. However that doesn't imply my Omen fit was good but that the guy had no idea what he was doing. Indeed i remember he had long range weapons also. Howitzers though maybe a bit more crazy than beams really.
Heh, I think that was me you killed.
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Rathverg
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.02.15 22:38:00 -
[37]
Eri you wernt on test....
All i know is my Harb Proved it self again and again against pirats and other pvpers
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Barasu
Minmatar
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2008.02.16 00:00:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Ararius
Nano it
It's the only way to be sure
I did and your rifter was to powerful!
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.16 01:29:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Rathverg
Eri you wernt on test....
All i know is my Harb Proved it self again and again against pirats and other pvpers
Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean right now.
I'll be on in ~14-16 hours from now - I'll look for you :)
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grace amarr
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.16 02:43:00 -
[40]
well, checked the post,
and found some fun/nice fit except the OP's.
Thanks for guys posting here, and that's the only advantage brought by the OP.
cheers
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Darth Decon
Ad Astra Vexillum
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.20 13:25:00 -
[41]
hmmm bump
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0raven0
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.20 13:42:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Rathverg
Solo PVP harb Setup
High:
x6 Focused Medium Beam Laser II w/Amarr Navy Multifreaks
x1 Medium Nosferatu II
x1 Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Mid:
x1 Medium Electorchemical Capasitor Booster I
x1 X5 Prototype I Engine Elivator
x1 10MN AB II
x1 Warp Disruptor II
Low:
x1 Medium Armor Rep II
x3 N-type hardners Kenetic, Thermic, and Exsplosive
x1 Refuge Adaptive Nano Plating
x1 Damage Control II
Drone:
x5 Hammerhead's II or
x5 Valkyrie II's (to spread damage)
This setup does a little less dps then a pulse setup but put it this way with a pulse setup you can do more dps but he can also active tank with this setup he could not really tank due to the lack of cap.... This setup Deals 386 DPS and tanks 135 dps have fun with it....
This setup really sucks to be honest. Beams will give crap DPS and with those beams its not great range either. Seriously using multis with that setup you will have about 5km farther range with top skills then you would have had with FMP II. 99% of all setups involve an MWD these days which yours doesn't so that 5km will take about 5 seconds for someone to get in range. Also if your setting up beams because you want range whats the point of fitting a web? Either lose the web and fit something useful for a beam setup or lose the beams.
Next you have only fit 1 medium rep???? There are two viable tanks setups, 2 reps, or 1 rep and a 1600mm plate buffer tank. You have neither and will die very very fast.
And please don't say anything about "Well you don't have harbinger experience" as I only fly amarr, have multiple harbingers setup for pvp that i fly daily and have hundreds and hundreds of kills using the harbinger that I can prove with killboards. My harb uses an mwd as most ships do. It does over 500 DPS and it will eat your setup in seconds.
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Rathverg
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Posted - 2008.02.20 13:51:00 -
[43]
Well you come and kill me in my harb in the game then we will see who wil be right and who will be wrong oh and you better pack a lunch 0raven0
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.20 14:55:00 -
[44]
Quote:
Solo PVP harb Setup
High:
x6 Focused Medium Beam Laser II w/Amarr Navy Multifreaks
x1 Medium Nosferatu II
x1 Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Mid:
x1 Medium Electorchemical Capasitor Booster I
x1 X5 Prototype I Engine Elivator
x1 10MN AB II
x1 Warp Disruptor II
Low:
x1 Medium Armor Rep II
x3 N-type hardners Kenetic, Thermic, and Exsplosive
x1 Refuge Adaptive Nano Plating
x1 Damage Control II
Drone:
x5 Hammerhead's II or
x5 Valkyrie II's (to spread damage)
This setup Deals 386 DPS and tanks 135 dps have fun with it....
Those numbers are awful. Just compare it to the standard solo Drake fit, which beats it easily on speed, gank and tank.
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Darth Decon
Ad Astra Vexillum
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Posted - 2008.02.20 15:08:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Darth Decon on 20/02/2008 15:11:19
most people on this post have no clue what they are saying lol
And pluse Rathverg has more solo killes then both you Gypsio III and 0raven0
and guess what he uses that setup you two noobs call horible
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.20 15:26:00 -
[46]
Darth, after reading your Vulture thread, I'm disinclined to take any advice from you on ship fittings. And that is an awful Harbinger fit, it really is as simple as that.
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Darth Decon
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Posted - 2008.02.20 15:28:00 -
[47]
Oh and you would know that for a fact right you know nothing man you really dont hey i got a idea for you Face his harb and see if you win if not shut it.....
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.20 15:36:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Darth Decon
Oh and you would know that for a fact right you know nothing man you really dont hey i got a idea for you Face his harb and see if you win if not shut it.....
I have, in fact, already put up a locator agent for him and will be paying him a visit in the near future.
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Rathverg
Ad Astra Vexillum
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Posted - 2008.02.20 15:38:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Darth Decon
Oh and you would know that for a fact right you know nothing man you really dont hey i got a idea for you Face his harb and see if you win if not shut it.....
I have, in fact, already put up a locator agent for him and will be paying him a visit in the near future.
Ill be waiting
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.20 15:39:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 20/02/2008 15:39:55
Originally by: Rathverg
Well there is only 1 way to find out isnt there
Come to Sujarento and give me a call, and I'll show you why beams + no buffer is a bad idea, alright?
Single rep without a plate is just laughable.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.20 15:41:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Rathverg
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Darth Decon
Oh and you would know that for a fact right you know nothing man you really dont hey i got a idea for you Face his harb and see if you win if not shut it.....
I have, in fact, already put up a locator agent for him and will be paying him a visit in the near future.
Ill be waiting
You're not way the hell out in 0.0 are you? :P
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.20 15:42:00 -
[52]
In the unlikely event that you win the previous fights, make your next stop Ishomilken. Or the test server if you prefer.
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Rathverg
Ad Astra Vexillum
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.20 16:06:00 -
[53]
Why what make you say that?
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.20 16:20:00 -
[54]
I mentioned the test server in case you were concerned that a 1v1 wouldn't be honoured, or that Ishomilken was too far away, or too difficult to get to.
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Rathverg
Ad Astra Vexillum
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.20 16:23:00 -
[55]
ill meet you there on test after 5 or 6pm CST Gypsio III
but i was talking to Eri About the last post :P
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.20 16:36:00 -
[56]
Quote:
ill meet you there on test after 5 or 6pm CST Gypsio III
So that's 11pm or 12am EVE time, correct? That suits me well. Better make it FD-MLJ system though, that's the standard one with all the arenas in etc, and the seeded market.
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Rathverg
Ad Astra Vexillum
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.20 16:48:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Gypsio III
Quote:
ill meet you there on test after 5 or 6pm CST Gypsio III
So that's 11pm or 12am EVE time, correct? That suits me well. Better make it FD-MLJ system though, that's the standard one with all the arenas in etc, and the seeded market.
Correct, I wont be on eve till that time, im on right now but etting things done while im afk so ill probly see you on test then.....
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Viashivan
Dark Centuri Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.20 17:25:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Viashivan on 20/02/2008 17:27:02
I fly Harb's quiet regularly and form my point of view OP's setup is bad for at least two reasons.
First of all no MWD! If MWD's wouldn't be mandatory Armarr wouldn't have such fitting/cap/"and-so-on" problems. But with the current game mechanics an MWD is absolutely nessesary. The reasons are kown and I will not explain them in detail (escape BS; close in to get in webrange [Will you try that with an AB??];etc.) Especially since overheating is another reason for an MWD.
Secondly the combination of beams with nos/neut is contradicting. You were asking for a solo setup. Well you can scram up to 24km and web to 10km. Neut/NOS to 12,Xkm. And you decided to do use beams (amarr long range turret)? With close range multies on beams you will only do slightly more damage that you would do with scorch on pulses... Wich then will shoot further... That is neither logical nor surprising.
Either you have someone else tackle for you and you snipe, in that case you might want to use tracking cpu/enhancers and more heat sinks... or a Zealot.
Or if you want to solo, you want an MWD, close in, web and nos/neut him. For that aim pulses are much better.
Thus when someone else is reading this topic and came thus far: The original setup of the original poster isn't good or effective. Much better fittings are the ones from Ashira Twilight or Lamiah. Both posted in this thread.
Via
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0raven0
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.20 18:10:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Darth Decon
Edited by: Darth Decon on 20/02/2008 15:11:19
most people on this post have no clue what they are saying lol
And pluse Rathverg has more solo killes then both you Gypsio III and 0raven0
and guess what he uses that setup you two noobs call horible
Have any proof?
I know bruce keeps their killboard private but I also know that they are allowed to provide screenshots of statistical data as long as it doesn't show ship fittings.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:18:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Terianna Eri on 20/02/2008 19:22:19
Originally by: Rathverg
ill meet you there on test after 5 or 6pm CST Gypsio III
but i was talking to Eri About the last post :P
I was making sure you're not way out in 0.0 because I have better things to do than fly an armor-rigged battlecruiser through many, many hostile jumps.
Edit: Well you're 37 jumps away from me so f that
I'll be on Sisi in a few hours too; hope to see you there :)
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Rathverg
Ad Astra Vexillum
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:27:00 -
[61]
Originally by: 0raven0
Originally by: Darth Decon
Edited by: Darth Decon on 20/02/2008 15:11:19
most people on this post have no clue what they are saying lol
And pluse Rathverg has more solo killes then both you Gypsio III and 0raven0
and guess what he uses that setup you two noobs call horible
Have any proof?
I know bruce keeps their killboard private but I also know that they are allowed to provide screenshots of statistical data as long as it doesn't show ship fittings.
I just joined Bruce last night so i dont know were you get off telling me "do i have proof" lol
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0raven0
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:42:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Rathverg
Originally by: 0raven0
Originally by: Darth Decon
Edited by: Darth Decon on 20/02/2008 15:11:19
most people on this post have no clue what they are saying lol
And pluse Rathverg has more solo killes then both you Gypsio III and 0raven0
and guess what he uses that setup you two noobs call horible
Have any proof?
I know bruce keeps their killboard private but I also know that they are allowed to provide screenshots of statistical data as long as it doesn't show ship fittings.
I just joined Bruce last night so i dont know were you get off telling me "do i have proof" lol
I just want proof of all these solo kills you have.
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Rathverg
Ad Astra Vexillum
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:57:00 -
[63]
hmmm If you were smart you would know were to look my setup does work and if you dont think it does then do somthing 0raven0 or shut it
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Don Juanito
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Posted - 2008.02.20 20:27:00 -
[64]
ITT OP fits a horrible ship, then plays internet tough guy to distract from it
FMP with 1600mm plate is where its at tbh, unless you want no tank save for ecm drones and heavy pulses.
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Rathverg
Ad Astra Vexillum
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.20 20:45:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Don Juanito
ITT OP fits a horrible ship, then plays internet tough guy to distract from it
FMP with 1600mm plate is where its at tbh, unless you want no tank save for ecm drones and heavy pulses.
I have a question for ya i would like to try a gank setup like little tanks and alot of dps what would you recomend?
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0raven0
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.20 21:32:00 -
[66]
Edited by: 0raven0 on 20/02/2008 21:32:47
Originally by: Rathverg
hmmm If you were smart you would know were to look my setup does work and if you dont think it does then do somthing 0raven0 or shut it
So what your saying is you don't have proof of any kills even though your new alliance mate says you do have kills?
Answer me one question. If your fitting a web then you plan on fighting under 10km. If so why would you want to use beams over pulses?
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Rathverg
Ad Astra Vexillum
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Posted - 2008.02.20 21:49:00 -
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i can use t2 beams only but ill train to use t2 pulses.... I do have kills just not in bruce yet. and one question for you who told you i had kills alredy? i have kills 32 kills 21 of those kills were with my harb. but i have 0 kills right now in bruce so your info is wrong
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0raven0
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.20 22:50:00 -
[68]
Edited by: 0raven0 on 20/02/2008 22:52:15
Originally by: Darth Decon
And pluse Rathverg has more solo killes then both you Gypsio III and 0raven0
Hes your alliance mate, posted in this thread on second page half way down.
Thats not relevant though. I never said you had kills in bruce, I just said show me your proof on a killboard. I saw that you were in bruce and thats why I mentioned it.
So the real reason your using beams is because you cannot use pulses?
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Rathverg
Ad Astra Vexillum
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Posted - 2008.02.20 22:59:00 -
[69]
well not t2 ones and the best named pulses cost to much so i use t2 beams
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0raven0
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.20 23:21:00 -
[70]
Edited by: 0raven0 on 20/02/2008 23:22:12
I checked your last corps kb to see all these solo kills you have gotten with that setup.
http://eve-sol.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4692 - Taranis kill
http://eve-sol.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4690 - Probe kill
http://eve-sol.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4590 - Cormorant kill
http://eve-sol.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4589 - 2nd Coromorant kill
http://eve-sol.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4584 - Caracal that was ratting, kb said the rats did most the damage.
http://eve-sol.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=4583 - Incurses (t1 frig)
http://eve-sol.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=211 - Finally, we have another BC kill and its a ferox. But wait not only is the ferox teir 1 and harb teir 2, but the ferox has the following fit!
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Small Nosferatu I
3x 250mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon
Large Shield Booster I
Warp Disruptor I
Stasis Webifier I
Damage Control I
Power Diagnostic System I
And that is the last of his solo harbinger kills with that setup for his last corp.
So with that setup you managed to kill not one thing that had a chance at killing you. I doubt you have a chance in sisi...
Here are a couple of my solo harb kills
http://shadowedsouls.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=1263 - Curse kill
http://shadowedsouls.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=1262 - Tempest kill
http://shadowedsouls.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=1250 - Passive drake kill before they were nerfed.
http://shadowedsouls.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=1249 - another passive drake. Yeah it was 2v1 passive drakes vs me in harb and i got them both.
There we have it, can we move off this thread now? His kills prove nothing, mine do.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.20 23:38:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Terianna Eri on 20/02/2008 23:40:02
Originally by: Rathverg
Originally by: Don Juanito
ITT OP fits a horrible ship, then plays internet tough guy to distract from it
FMP with 1600mm plate is where its at tbh, unless you want no tank save for ecm drones and heavy pulses.
I have a question for ya i would like to try a gank setup like little tanks and alot of dps what would you recomend?
High: 7x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Amarr Navy Multifrequency M; Scorch M)
Mid: 10mn Microwarpdrive II, Faint Warp Prohibitor (best named 20km), Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor (best named web), Small Capacitor Booster II (Cap Booster 200)
Low: 3x Heat Sink II, 800mm RT Plate, EANM II, DC II
Rig: Trimarks
Drone: Hammerhead IIs or Medium ECM Drones
Fits with zero CPU remaining and if you have AWU IV (which you need; it won't fit with AWU III) there's enough PG to fit a small repairer into one of the lows.
With good but not maxed out skills (Pulse spec IV, BC IV, Drone Interfacing IV, gunnery support maxed), this pushes out just about 700 dps. It'll melt quite a bit.
P.S. logging onto Sisi now, will be there until my computer fries itself again :P
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Breed Love
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:48:00 -
[72]
This setup is epic fail, a competent player would pwn you with a frigate ffs.
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I thought Premium graphics were supposed to fix that bug where people were trying to salvage Minmatar ships.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:57:00 -
[73]
Well, unfortunately Rathverg didn't turn up on Sisi, but Terianna and I had some fun with our BC fits. 
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.21 01:07:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Gypsio III
Well, unfortunately Rathverg didn't turn up on Sisi, but Terianna and I had some fun with our BC fits.
Dood that was an epic drake o_O
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