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Rathverg Viziam	Posted - 2008.02.15 03:57:00 - [1] Solo PVP harb Setup High: x6 Focused Medium Beam Laser II w/Amarr Navy Multifreaks x1 Medium Nosferatu II x1 Medium Energy Neutralizer II Mid: x1 Medium Electorchemical Capasitor Booster I x1 X5 Prototype I Engine Elivator x1 10MN AB II x1 Warp Disruptor II Low: x1 Medium Armor Rep II x3 N-type hardners Kenetic, Thermic, and Exsplosive x1 Refuge Adaptive Nano Plating x1 Damage Control II Drone: x5 Hammerhead's II or x5 Valkyrie II's (to spread damage) This setup does a little less dps then a pulse setup but put it this way with a pulse setup you can do more dps but he can also active tank with this setup he could not really tank due to the lack of cap.... This setup Deals 386 DPS and tanks 135 dps have fun with it....
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.02.15 04:25:00 - [2] Originally by: Rathverg This setup does a little less dps then a pulse setup but put it this way with a pulse setup you can do more dps but he can also active tank with this setup he could not really tank due to the lack of cap.... That i don't understand. Not only will a pulse setup deal more damage but it will also be more cap efficient and easier to tank be it actively or by hp mostly. Also if you are solo you need to be within 24km. So at these ranges pulses will be superior because they have the needed range and better tracking and more damage. They are also easier to fit and consume less cap. Tough choice. I doubt you could even kill a thorax with that setup.
Rathverg Viziam	Posted - 2008.02.15 04:33:00 - [3] Acttually you would be suprised on what you can kill with this setup ive killed a couple pirates in Hac's and some others in BC's so this is an affective setup not only could it kill a thorax easly it can kill Pretty much BC sized Vessles and below exept commandships
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.02.15 04:41:00 - [4] Edited by: Wu Jiun on 15/02/2008 04:45:09 Edited by: Wu Jiun on 15/02/2008 04:44:46 Originally by: Rathverg Acttually you would be suprised on what you can kill with this setup ive killed a couple pirates in Hac's and some others in BC's so this is an affective setup not only could it kill a thorax easly it can kill Pretty much BC sized Vessles and below exept commandships I've once killed an armageddon in an omen. However that doesn't imply my Omen fit was good but that the guy had no idea what he was doing. Indeed i remember he had long range weapons also. Howitzers though maybe a bit more crazy than beams really. I have no trouble believing that you have killed a lot of people who had even worse fittings or were noobs. I do however doubt that this thing could kill my pulse harbinger which does more damage, has much better tank and is faster. But whatever works for you. Edit: 7 x fmp, mwd, web, scram, med inject, 1600mm RT, eanm, dmg control, med rep, 2 x hs, 3 x trimark
xXHitmanXx	Posted - 2008.02.15 04:42:00 - [5] Hate to say this, as much as I love to solo pvp, there is no more. It always gangs/big fleets, But I like the setup
Rathverg Viziam	Posted - 2008.02.15 04:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Wu Jiun Edited by: Wu Jiun on 15/02/2008 04:45:09 Edited by: Wu Jiun on 15/02/2008 04:44:46 Originally by: Rathverg Acttually you would be suprised on what you can kill with this setup ive killed a couple pirates in Hac's and some others in BC's so this is an affective setup not only could it kill a thorax easly it can kill Pretty much BC sized Vessles and below exept commandships I've once killed an armageddon in an omen. However that doesn't imply my Omen fit was good but that the guy had no idea what he was doing. Indeed i remember he had long range weapons also. Howitzers though maybe a bit more crazy than beams really. I have no trouble believing that you have killed a lot of people who had even worse fittings or were noobs. I do however doubt that this thing could kill my pulse harbinger which does more damage, has much better tank and is faster. But whatever works for you. Edit: 7 x fmp, mwd, web, scram, med inject, 1600mm RT, eanm, dmg control, med rep, 2 x hs, 3 x trimark oh boy..... Some people i have killed were noobs yes but the hac's were not noobs and had pretty good setup's and as i have stated this setup does do less then a pulse setup yes but its the fact that it will be hard to tank with no cap and thats regaursless if your a noob or not
Ashira Twilight	Posted - 2008.02.15 05:27:00 - [7] My alt used to use this setup 7x FMP2 1x Small Neut 1x web 1x warp disruptor(best named most likely) 1x 10mn mwd2 1x med cap booster 1x heat sink 2 1x 1600mm rolled tungsten 1x kin hardener 1x exp hardener 1x therm hardener 1x MAR2 Only one heat sink, and you'll end up using named hardeners. The plate though, is a must. ---------------------------------------
Rathverg Viziam	Posted - 2008.02.15 05:34:00 - [8] nice setup there Ashira can you fitt a medium Newt?
Lamiah	Posted - 2008.02.15 07:15:00 - [9] I like this setup: [Harbinger] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Faint Warp Prohibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M [empty high slot] Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5
Ararius Earned In Blood	Posted - 2008.02.15 09:12:00 - [10] Nano it It's the only way to be sure
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.15 11:20:00 - [11] Originally by: Rathverg Solo PVP harb Setup High: x6 Focused Medium Beam Laser II w/Amarr Navy Multifreaks x1 Medium Nosferatu II x1 Medium Energy Neutralizer II Mid: x1 Medium Electorchemical Capasitor Booster I x1 X5 Prototype I Engine Elivator x1 10MN AB II x1 Warp Disruptor II Low: x1 Medium Armor Rep II x3 N-type hardners Kenetic, Thermic, and Exsplosive x1 Refuge Adaptive Nano Plating x1 Damage Control II Drone: x5 Hammerhead's II or x5 Valkyrie II's (to spread damage) Will get eaten by any competent BC pilot. First off, Amarr have the benefit of the longest-ranged short-range guns. Pulses - use them. They get more DPS then beams and can cover all the way from 0km to 24km relatively efficently. Secondly, 10MN AB is very risky for two purposes: (a) if you jump into a gatecamp and you have a AB, you almost certainly die (b) if you attack a blasterboat (like a, say, Brutix), he MWDs up to your optimal and you, again, die. So fit a 10MN MWD - because solo PvP requires roaming and roaming is just too damn risky without a MWD, particularly once you're flashing red and sentries won't move a finger to help you. Lastly, I'm not a Amarr pilot* so take this with a grain of salt, but the Harbringer seems in many ways like a slower Hurricane with better performance at range. Now the Hurricane and the Harbringer (unlike the Drake/Myrmidon) both get ganking bonuses instead of tanking bonuses, and their DPS outputs are somewhere on par with the Harbringer doing better at range (longer optimal) and the Hurricane doing somewhat better up close. All the gank bonused ships imo cry without a damage mod, so I'd probably fit a heatsink II there. As for the other slots, you could either try to plate it (and then fit more damage mods for maximum gankage) or do a 2x MAR II, 2x EANM II, 1x DC II tank (which is going to be relatively crappy so you should absolutely try not to be on top of the more damaging targets, the 210 or so DPS tank you get isn't very good). *I fly almost exclusively Minmatar despite starting out Gallente, I love Minmatar ships & flying style, I'd sooner fly Amarr then Gallente really) so I don't exactly know how cap stable a Harbringer with good skills is from personal use. Then again, it should probably work with BC IV+max cap skills (requirement for heat, which you really really really want on the ship for a number of reasons). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Rathverg Viziam	Posted - 2008.02.15 12:49:00 - [12] Edited by: Rathverg on 15/02/2008 12:50:35 Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 15/02/2008 11:26:56 Originally by: Rathverg Solo PVP harb Setup High: x6 Focused Medium Beam Laser II w/Amarr Navy Multifreaks x1 Medium Nosferatu II x1 Medium Energy Neutralizer II Mid: x1 Medium Electorchemical Capasitor Booster I x1 X5 Prototype I Engine Elivator x1 10MN AB II x1 Warp Disruptor II Low: x1 Medium Armor Rep II x3 N-type hardners Kenetic, Thermic, and Exsplosive x1 Refuge Adaptive Nano Plating x1 Damage Control II Drone: x5 Hammerhead's II or x5 Valkyrie II's (to spread damage) Will get eaten by any competent BC pilot. First off, Amarr have the benefit of the longest-ranged short-range guns. Pulses - use them. They get more DPS then beams and can cover all the way from 0km to 24km relatively efficently. Secondly, 10MN AB is very risky for two purposes: (a) if you jump into a gatecamp and you have a AB, you almost certainly die (b) if you attack a blasterboat (like a, say, Brutix), he MWDs up to your optimal and you, again, die. So fit a 10MN MWD - because solo PvP requires roaming and roaming is just too damn risky without a MWD, particularly once you're flashing red and sentries won't move a finger to help you. Lastly, I'm not a Amarr pilot* so take this with a grain of salt, but the Harbringer seems in many ways like a slower Hurricane with better performance at range. Now the Hurricane and the Harbringer (unlike the Drake/Myrmidon) both get ganking bonuses instead of tanking bonuses, and their DPS outputs are somewhere on par with the Harbringer doing better at range (longer optimal) and the Hurricane doing somewhat better up close. All the gank bonused ships imo cry without a damage mod, so I'd probably fit a heatsink II there. As for the other slots, you could either try to plate it (and then fit more damage mods for maximum gankage) or do a 2x MAR II, 2x EANM II, 1x DC II tank (which is going to be relatively crappy so you should absolutely try not to be on top of the more damaging targets, the 210 or so DPS tank you get isn't very good). You could also drop a MAR for a plate and have a single rep setup with a decent buffer, but it would kill your speed/agility so I'm not too sure how would that work. *I fly almost exclusively Minmatar despite starting out Gallente, I love Minmatar ships & flying style, I'd sooner fly Amarr then Gallente really) so I don't exactly know how cap stable a Harbringer with good skills is from personal use. Then again, it should probably work with BC IV+max cap skills (requirement for heat, which you really really really want on the ship for a number of reasons). I can show you that this setup is affective and like i stated before which people dont seem to get is the fact it will be hard to tank anything without CAP thats what this setup is desind to do aswell deal good dps in the prosses.... And as far as me getting killed by a BC it will be hard for them to do so without Cap.I have killed Brutix's, Ferox's, Prohicys, Harb's, and Drakes with this setup and That is due to the fact that it was hard to tank dps due to the lack of Cap....
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Rathverg I can show you that this setup is affective and like i stated before which people dont seem to get is the fact it will be hard to tank anything without CAP thats what this setup is desind to do aswell deal good dps in the prosses.... And as far as me getting killed by a BC it will be hard for them to do so without Cap.I have killed Brutix's, Ferox's, Prohicys, Harb's, and Drakes with this setup and That is due to the fact that it was hard to tank dps due to the lack of Cap.... Said setup is horrible due to the fact it will not neut anything effectively enough to shut down its tank while it has paltry tank itself and very crap DPS with BEAMS. I mean, I'll kill it in a Hurricane without worries, and give me two days to train Gallente/Caldari Cruiser III and I'll kill it in a Myrmidon/Drake without worries as well Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Rathverg Viziam	Posted - 2008.02.15 14:15:00 - [14] Well Sense you have no experince with Harbs and obviously you have no clue what you are talking about im just going to Respond.... "Ummmm Sure"
Larice Minmatar Seven Provinces	Posted - 2008.02.15 15:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Rathverg Well Sense you have no experince with Harbs and obviously you have no clue what you are talking about im just going to Respond.... "Ummmm Sure" I am pretty sure that he can beat it easily with his Hurricane. Why? Because you'll never drain enough cap to completely shut his tank down, not to mention capboosters and capless weapons. In the meantime he will do more damage than you, because he's utilising the full damage potential of the Hurricane.
Rathverg Viziam	Posted - 2008.02.15 15:57:00 - [16] Well there is only 1 way to find out isnt there
lags alt	Posted - 2008.02.15 16:16:00 - [17] Quote: 7x FMP2 1x Small Neut 1x web 1x warp disruptor(best named most likely) 1x 10mn mwd2 1x med cap booster 1x heat sink 2 1x 1600mm rolled tungsten 1x kin hardener 1x exp hardener 1x therm hardener 1x MAR2 Is a nasty setup. Works extremelly well.
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.02.15 16:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Lamiah I like this setup: [Harbinger] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Faint Warp Prohibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M [empty high slot] Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 ^^ this
Rathverg Viziam	Posted - 2008.02.15 16:56:00 - [19] Nice harb setup Lamiah. My question is this would a medium NewtII fitt in the last high?
Lamiah	Posted - 2008.02.15 17:09:00 - [20] No, this is a very tight fit. Only fits with AWU3, E/E V, and has 6 CPU and 13 grid left.
Amberly Coteaz Amarr Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.15 17:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Rathverg Nice harb setup Lamiah. My question is this would a medium NewtII fitt in the last high? No, thats the same setup I use you dont have the grid or the cpu. With a few implants you could fit a small neut but a med is a no go. If you find yourself in a fair fight, something has gone wrong
kor anon Amarr Keepers of the Holy Bagel Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.15 17:16:00 - [22] i very much doubt that your cap will last very long, even with the booster, you could invest in some ccc rigs but i dont think that will totally solve the problem
Willy Joe	Posted - 2008.02.15 17:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Lamiah I like this setup: [Harbinger] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Faint Warp Prohibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M [empty high slot] Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 You're better off fitting an armageddon with the amount of money you're investing in the rigs. @ OP : You posted your setup on a public forum yet you are unable to accept anyone else's suggestion about it. Try the setup and then you will agree that the setup with pulses does more damage within warp disruptor range and it fits more easily thus giving you an easier time with fitting your beloved Neut
Rathverg Viziam	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:06:00 - [24] Originally by: kor anon i very much doubt that your cap will last very long, even with the booster, you could invest in some ccc rigs but i dont think that will totally solve the problem It will last longer then the fight thats for sure and thats all the cap you really need And as far as the Medium Newt not fitting Take off the t2 MWD and put a named MWD and it would fitt without rigs or implants
Rathverg Viziam	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:08:00 - [25] Originally by: Willy Joe @ OP : You posted your setup on a public forum yet you are unable to accept anyone else's suggestion about it. Who are you talking about willy?
Julius Romanus Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:12:00 - [26] Originally by: Rathverg Originally by: kor anon i very much doubt that your cap will last very long, even with the booster, you could invest in some ccc rigs but i dont think that will totally solve the problem It will last longer then the fight thats for sure and thats all the cap you really need And as far as the Medium Newt not fitting Take off the t2 MWD and put a named MWD and it would fitt without rigs or implants Your setup is horrible. You're expecting to use beams inside med nos/neut range, which is NOT a good idea. The FMP setups that have been listed have more tank, and as much as 2x the gank yours puts out. As well as better tracking. The heavy pulse versions easily double your dammage output. If you're going to fit beams, fit for 50-70km engagement. With what you have any well fit harb, hurricane(or cyclone! you lose that hard), drake, arbitrator, or nano-omen(ha ha) will have you for a killmail.
Rathverg Viziam	Posted - 2008.02.15 19:32:00 - [27] You know what Julius Romanus you havent faced my harb no one here has faced my harb and im not dissing anyone elses setups im just asking a few questions and Julius before you say someone's setup suck's face them first.... Its a put up or shut up kind of thing
Julius Romanus Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.15 19:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Rathverg You know what Julius Romanus you havent faced my harb no one here has faced my harb and im not dissing anyone elses setups im just asking a few questions and Julius before you say someone's setup suck's face them first.... Its a put up or shut up kind of thing Amberly's setup is the one I use, with varying levels of variation. I dont have to face your harb, I fly harbs and I've used both beams and pulses, I know how they work, and how they do not work. Everyone here has told you the same thing, that you have a poor setup, and several good ones have already been given to you. Frankly, if you really want to keep harping on the "you havent faced my harb" feel free. No one cares. You're always welcome to come to blood blind's hunting grounds and lose your harb there if thats what its going to take for you to start listening to the advice you've been given.
Terianna Eri Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.15 19:46:00 - [29] Fit focused medium pulse, and 7 of them. You should be able to fit all 7 there, and a medium neut; you don't need the nos. FMP will have more damage and you won't have any range problems because you can hit to 20km optimal with scorch. Fit beams if you're trying to hit from range. You aren't. You have a web and a scram which means you don't need to shoot more than 24km. Your damage outside of that will be so awful anyway that I doubt anything you fight will care about it, and you won't be able to get in range because you have an AB and everything you fight will have MWD fitted. Your DPS is poor and your tank is extraordinarily poor and you don't have a buffer tank to make your poor tank last a long time. Your range and damage are poor. Your cap warfare is welcome but weak, and you're not going to cap anyone out with it anytime soon before they tear through your poor tank and low EHP, while tanking (if active tanked) or basically ignoring (if buffer tanked) your poor dps. There are very, very good reasons why nobody likes your setup and that's because it is poor. __________________________________
Terianna Eri Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.15 19:50:00 - [30] P.S. the FMP setup posted is good, I have also used this on the test server with some success: 7x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Conflag) 2x Web, Scram, Small Injector 3x HS II, 1600mm RT, EANM II, DC II 2x Trimark, ACR (powergrid) 5x HammerheadIIs / Med ECM drone It also doesn't have a MWD but it can work pretty well without one, since basically anything that can scram you is also in scorch range, and I've found that most things don't like getting hit by scorch and will close to web range. At that point you can dual-web them and open up with conflag - it's worth using in this case because you'll only use it against things that are dualwebbed and therefore not moving. You can (and probably should) also play with that by dropping the 1600 for an 800 plate and trying to cram a MWD on. __________________________________

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