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isometricantaliac
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Posted - 2008.02.16 14:01:00 -
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Well after reading through all of the posts in this thread I can't help but laugh at some of them.
I mean we have people calling other people cowards because they are avoiding a war on an internet MMO If you people had any idea as to what you were on about you would realise that this is a game not RL, and to call another person a coward in a game makes me wonder if you really understand what a coward is or if you are getting RL and this game mixed up somehow.
Now although I don't really agree with what these people are doing they also do have the right to play the game how they want to play and if you don't like then go wardec a corp that will fight back, or is there a problem with finding corps that will fight back in a game that usually has 30k of players online?
Also what is making statements like this supposed to do?:
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On principle traps make sure they get paid, or you won't play the game. So it would be wise for these carebear pukes to give her what she wants.
If it is supposed to be scaring the people he/she is wardec'ing I don't think it is working, and as for principle remember this is a game where people do things that are way off how they are in RL so principles in this game are a joke. (eg. where is the principle in standing over people who are weaker than you are? Where is the principle in scamming people out of their ISK?) Talking about principles in a game that is partially built around doing things that show a lack of principles is interesting to say the least.
So although the people that are avioding the wardec's are probably walking a very fine line between playing the game and using an exploit I would also have to say that the OP must also be walking a very fine line between playing the game and harassment. So exactly where do the lines begin and end?
Personally I can't understand why you are so hell bent about these people and it looks to me like you have made this personal (not a good idea in a game), what was the thing that made you first decide to wardec this corp? Did they do something to you or did you think that they might be an easy target, or what happened?
What are you hoping to gain from your wardec's?, this thread?, your petition? because if you are looking to try to bully CCP into finding in favour of you by creating this post it might not work and it might end up backfiring on you.
Anyway I am sure once CCP makes a decission all will be worked out one way or another, and one thing is for sure. there is going to be some upset people around on one side or the other.
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coffeecigarettebeer
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Posted - 2008.02.16 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Flashh Gorden
We take great pleasure in dealing with Empire griefers and were good at it too.
Dont change corps hire us instead.
I personaly dont know any of the people involved in this dispute but i am tempted to hire you just to watch traps run.
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Sanity Lost
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Posted - 2008.02.16 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nexa Necis
Of course if CCP says it's 100% legal, then I will keep them dec'd with my alts and do it endlessly. Which is what I have been doing with no problems at all.
This is taking it personaly. If using corps to move themselves around is an exploit then i would say this is on similar ground.
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Iridis Bloodclaw
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Posted - 2008.02.16 15:33:00 -
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It is an exploit. How much time should ccp be spending to take care of it? Should the players who do this be kicked out of the game?
Doubt anything will really change. CCP is not going to kick players because they don't want to fight in empire. I hear there is a place with tons of pew pew. You should head there. 
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.02.16 15:39:00 -
[65]
Originally by: isometricantaliac
Anyway I am sure once CCP makes a decission all will be worked out one way or another, and one thing is for sure. there is going to be some upset people around on one side or the other.
The whole point is, it doesn't matter what they did or didn't do to get war dec'd. It has nothing to to with the situation.
Bottom line is I think this is a questionable tactic. I am not bullying CCP into doing anything. Notice there are no pleas to CCP in any of my posts. No demands, no holding of breath or stomping of feet.
I also posted to make people aware of the tactic and to see if anyone else had this tactic used against them. It's also, as I said, easier for people to keep updated on the progress here as opposed to asking me in game.
War dec's are not harassment. One dec for one person or twenty decs on the same person over and over are legal in CCP's eyes.
My personal opinion is that this tactic of creating 4 corps is an exploit, but CCP doesn't have any rules saying it is, so I petitioned them for clarification. The same as there is no rule against war dec'ing the same people every time they join a corp. I have sent petitions on that as well to make sure we are within the rules, and every GM has said unequivocally that we are allowed to war dec them over and over and they are allowed to jump from corp to corp because just as we incur a war fee, they incur a create corp fee. Now that these people have ceased to pay a new corp fee I have to question the tactic.
I am ok with whatever CCP determines in this situation.
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Jason Travers
Space 1999
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Posted - 2008.02.17 00:24:00 -
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Well the largest majority of the EvE community is of the carebear persuasion. Now think about it. If you continually force people into PVP or to ôQuit the game entirely you lose. You lose because like all MMOÆs contrary to the boards popular belief itÆs not all about the PVP itÆs about the money. Not isk but real tangible money. The people that work as developers and tech and such covering the wide aspect of bringing the game to life do not work for free. They too have familiesÆ bills and such that require real work for real pay.
Keeping this game running is their real work in which they receive real money. The real money comes from the player base. You remove that base by forcing people to PVP that actually donÆt care for or harass them until they quit, you are taking food out of the workers mouths. This will in turn cause the collapse of the game because it will no longer be financially feasible to keep it running. Then it closes down and you will have to fine something else to do. Maybe go to that legendary place called outside. I hear there is this thing called the sun. Maybe you can see it if you venture there.
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Krumpit
Caldari
Madness of Crowds
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Posted - 2008.02.17 00:33:00 -
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It's perfectly simple:
Continually jumping corps costs 8 million ISK.
Continually war dec'ing them costs more than 8 million ISK.
This unintended asymmetry is unfair, therefore it should be addressed to make it fair.
Otherwise, word gets around, and it will be exploited to the full, as exploits always are.
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Ernesto Hoost
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Posted - 2008.02.17 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Travers
Not isk but real tangible money. The people that work as developers and tech and such covering the wide aspect of bringing the game to life do not work for free. They too have familiesÆ bills and such that require real work for real pay.
There's your problem right there. Once upon a time CCP created this game as a product of love. They were not interested in global marketing, they just wanted to make a unique product. The 1 server/no where is safe/pvp aspect of this game sets it apart.
Now it is beginning to get lost among the many other MMOG's out there.
I am sure there is a sustainable customer base out there that would love to fly in EVE carebear heaven. A game with pvp on/off flag's, a "I don't want to be war decced" flag, and a "please don't suicide me in high sec" option.
The above vision of EVE is feasible in terms of subscriptions, but I have to wonder what the developers who created the original concept would feel about having their baby grow up into such mediocrity.
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Sanity Lost
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Posted - 2008.02.17 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ernesto Hoost
There's your problem right there. Once upon a time CCP created this game as a product of love. They were not interested in global marketing, they just wanted to make a unique product. The 1 server/no where is safe/pvp aspect of this game sets it apart.
Now it is beginning to get lost among the many other MMOG's out there.
I am sure there is a sustainable customer base out there that would love to fly in EVE carebear heaven. A game with pvp on/off flag's, a "I don't want to be war decced" flag, and a "please don't suicide me in high sec" option.
The above vision of EVE is feasible in terms of subscriptions, but I have to wonder what the developers who created the original concept would feel about having their baby grow up into such mediocrity.
Money talks and bullsh*t walks.
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Jason Travers
Space 1999
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Posted - 2008.02.17 03:18:00 -
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I have to agree but the harsh truth is a simple idea from a group of friends doing something in their basement or what ever can have the potential to grow beyond what they originally imagined.
A prime example of this is the MMO Ever Quest. When it originally started by Variant Interactive. They had a few different servers PVP, Teams, Racial and PVE. After a few years the originally popular PVP servers started to dry up as people got tired of PVP only and they migrated to the PVE. As this happened they were forced to open new servers to accommodate the masses due to the lagg it created when two many folks got into one zone (it also tended to crash the entire zone).
Over time they sold it to Sony and people started to leave and then they started to combine servers that had completely different cultures on them. This led to more people leaving the game. It has since balanced out on populations but the game has evolved to a point where I finally left it after 8+ years of play and 8 accounts. Bottom line is growth is inevitable and as it grows it is going to attract different types of people with different styles of play. And growth requires more dedicated workers to maintain and develop new things.
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Tarantelita
Ragna Rok Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.17 03:53:00 -
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They are not the first to use this kind of "tactics", and its lame. CCP should try to do something about those kind of lame "tactics".
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Azinoth
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Posted - 2008.02.17 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: mercspy
Edited by: mercspy on 15/02/2008 11:37:48
oh here we go again you don't give up do you what you are doing now is classed as harassment you have been doing it for last 2 weeks. you are basically harassing indy players non stop because they jumped corp because they were war decked? you are pathetic grow up,
And so what if they jump corps they don't want to pay for a game and sit in a station all day they want to play the game how they want to and not how you want to.
leave them alone and go deck a pvp corp you are pathetic don't you have anything better to do?
I also do think this can be petitioned against you as Game harassment.
This
Heres an idea, PVP with some one that wants to PVP or are you to scared.
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.02.17 04:29:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Azinoth
Originally by: mercspy
Edited by: mercspy on 15/02/2008 11:37:48
oh here we go again you don't give up do you what you are doing now is classed as harassment you have been doing it for last 2 weeks. you are basically harassing indy players non stop because they jumped corp because they were war decked? you are pathetic grow up,
And so what if they jump corps they don't want to pay for a game and sit in a station all day they want to play the game how they want to and not how you want to.
leave them alone and go deck a pvp corp you are pathetic don't you have anything better to do?
I also do think this can be petitioned against you as Game harassment.
This
Heres an idea, PVP with some one that wants to PVP or are you to scared.
Alts asking other people if they're scared? Not likely. Post with your main sometime.
Just because they don't want to pvp doesn't mean they don't deserve to die.
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Skytrain
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Posted - 2008.02.17 04:38:00 -
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Edited by: Skytrain on 17/02/2008 04:39:04
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coffeecigarettebeer
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Posted - 2008.02.17 04:57:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Nexa Necis
Just because they don't want to pvp doesn't mean they don't deserve to die.
Are you continuing their harassment on a personal level on these forums?
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Mickey Simon
Esoteric Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.17 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Mickey Simon on 17/02/2008 05:24:47
Late last year my corp got war decced by a player much much older then us. We all freaked out for a bit, then realised it was only ONE player, and he was in a big ship. We spent 2 weeks training up how to beat him, had ECM cruisers, tackling frigates and DPS BC's ready to confront him in his one lone BS. We were in the process of organising as attack then we got the message from Concorde - he had failed to pay his war bill.
Now that's a situation where a corp full of relative newbies in frigates and cruisers got wardecced by someone a lot bigger then them and actually learnt something about how to engage someone in PvP [we'd never really considered it before]. While it WAS by a player who had a lot of experience and skill points, it wasn't by a lot of players.
In the event that a big experienced corp actually decced us at the time, I'm not sure what we would have done and probably would have considered leaving that corp, and creating a new one just to avoid the war. Why? We were new, learning about how to do really basic stuff like mine and mission. If it's okay for corporations with heaps of members and experience to war dec small newbie corps, then I think it should be okay for those newbies to run to the hills and leave their corp and make another. Sure, it's really really annoying - but is it any more annoying then having a large part of a game ruined by a heap of bigger players who just want easy targets?
edit: I can't spell >_>
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Tiny Tom
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Posted - 2008.02.17 05:37:00 -
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To my knowledge, corp jumping to avoid war decs is an exploit. At least that's what my now-departed corp mates were told years ago when faced with one.
The three of them were new characters time mining in 0.4 when a PC pirate jumped them. One or two were on defense, but none of them had sufficient skills to put up a fight and they new it. They were in real trouble before some NPC's warped in, aggro'ed on the pirate and popped his ship while they got away.
After learning about the options--including that corp hopping was an exploit--they ran. (The CEO also sent a humorious e-mail saying that war was bad for business, but they'd be willing to cut the declarers a deal on some nice, shiny ammo.) Ultimately, the dec was dropped and they returned home. I wound up joining after this all happened.
I can understand the notion that players should be prepared for the rigors of diplomacy when forming a corp, but to be honest the game does tend to lure in players who aren't ready. That 2M barrier is too small to keep players who have no real knowledge of the war dec system from founding a corp. It'd be better if the game had a more tiered system for corporations, or at least had a higher requirement for founding corps.
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Arazel Chainfire
United System's Commonwealth
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Posted - 2008.02.17 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lugs Brannigan
Originally by: Thomas Redux
...
... Better people like them try Cakemania or Kitty online 
Did you know that Hello Kitty online is actually a game now? Or were you just referring to the tv-show/whatever the heck it is?
(yes, thats right everyone... this is not just a saying... there actually is a hello kitty online   )
On topic though - why do you want to war-dec this corp? I've read through a page and a half on this thread, and read your other one, but I don't remember seeing anywhere why you want to war-dec them. Did it get to you're pride or something that they went to such lengths to avoid your war, or is there an actual economic reason for deccing them (at such prices). If you are just looking to kill some farmers, there's much easier lengths that you can go to to do so, non the least going to some of those lowsec stations that are often used.
I might support you're efforts if there is an actual reason why you're deccing them (ex. merc corp hired to move them out). However, if they've just gotten to your pride, I have to ask why you continue bothering when you can just forget them and go on to another target - perhaps one that might actually be willing to fight back hmm?
-Arazel
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Wind Ictiva
Delta Kappa Gamma
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Posted - 2008.02.17 06:06:00 -
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w h a t t h e f k h a p p e n e d t o e v e ?
from where did all these goddam spineless carebears come from?
people whining about not being invulnerable in this game is like going to ibiza and whining about there being too much sun.
pvp is not a part of eve. eve is pvp!
this has been said before and i proudly say it again: if you¦re not comfortable with other players trying to kill you whenever you turn your back to them, GO PLAY HELLOKITTY!
is this the end of this great game?
this kinda resembles when a nice, fun bar/club gets destroyed. first its full of good people who just wanna have fun. then the wannabe¦s get a whif of it and, slowly but surely, take it over. shortly after the club closes down cause only losers hang there.
the mining, missioning and trading in this game are a means to an end. not the goal.
leave our game alone.
Originally by: Admiral Love
Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty. |
Arazel Chainfire
United System's Commonwealth
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Posted - 2008.02.17 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: Wind Ictiva
w h a t t h e f k h a p p e n e d t o e v e ?
from where did all these goddam spineless carebears come from?
people whining about not being invulnerable in this game is like going to ibiza and whining about there being too much sun.
pvp is not a part of eve. eve is pvp!
this has been said before and i proudly say it again: if you¦re not comfortable with other players trying to kill you whenever you turn your back to them, GO PLAY HELLOKITTY!
is this the end of this great game?
this kinda resembles when a nice, fun bar/club gets destroyed. first its full of good people who just wanna have fun. then the wannabe¦s get a whif of it and, slowly but surely, take it over. shortly after the club closes down cause only losers hang there.
the mining, missioning and trading in this game are a means to an end. not the goal.
leave our game alone.
Yes, eve is pvp - but there are more kinds of PVP then just ship vs ship combat.
The market is pvp (proud to say that i've kinda cornered a section of it... too bad the section i cornered isn't very active - after all... who actually uses large electron blasters?)
Mission running can actually considered a benign form of pvp - it becomes a competition to see who can complete one kind of mission faster than the others.
Mining is a requirement for your kind of pvp - if you go about ganking all the nice carebearing miners, the price of your ships suddenly goes up because you are killing the production of them. This of course works very well in 0.0, and to a lesser extent in low sec. However, in high sec there are enough haulers that prices may go up slightly if there is mass miner ganking, there are enough miners out there that it won't go up much.
Trading is a form of pvp - and it could be said that this falls under the catagory of market.
And lastly, there is that funny thing that everyone seems to think is "true" pvp - ship vs. ship
It would be really nice if one of these days you "pvpers" realize that eve revolves around all these various forms of pvp work together, and if one form falls apart, it all falls apart.
For some, mining, missioning, and trading are not a means to an end - they are the goal.
For others, the goal is to ruin everyone else's.
Eve is not a game about ship vs ship combat. Eve is a giant economic experiment. The minor ship vs ship stuff is just a means to get more people interested and provide an unwitting market for the astute trader. Everything else is just a means to that end.
To everyone else reading this thread, I apologize for the lengthy dialog. Idiots who think that 100% of pvp is ship vs ship really **** me off though. The other forms just less visible - there tend to be less pretty explosions that way.
-Arazel
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Akkrillo
Dread Lords
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Posted - 2008.02.17 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Wind Ictiva
w h a t t h e f k h a p p e n e d t o e v e ?
this kinda resembles when a nice, fun bar/club gets destroyed. first its full of good people who just wanna have fun. then the wannabe¦s get a whif of it and, slowly but surely, take it over. shortly after the club closes down cause only losers hang there.
its not like that at all. the people in mining/manufacturing corps are not ruining anyones fun. if they want to do that type of thing how the hell is it affecting you? i find the corps that wardec these small mining types to be pathetic wastes of biomass. instead of challenging a pvp corp, they choose weak targets that wont be a challenge. take a risk and challenge someone who can fight back.
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coffeecigarettebeer
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Posted - 2008.02.17 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Wind Ictiva
this has been said before and i proudly say it again: if you¦re not comfortable with other players trying to kill you whenever you turn your back to them, GO PLAY HELLOKITTY!
Do you realize what you have just said? If these players really did leave and start playing hello kitty this would just prove the type of player who you are capable of war deccing. Players that play hello kitty. Thats very sad. Who is really the spineless carebear?
Originally by: Wind Ictiva
the mining, missioning and trading in this game are a means to an end. not the goal.
It is the the goal for the majority of the players.
Originally by: Wind Ictiva
leave our game alone.
I agree with you. Leave OUR game alone.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2008.02.17 07:48:00 -
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What an odd thread.
Don't want to be war decced? Stay in npc corps. Want the benefits of a player corp? Risk being 'decced. Like everything else in Eve, risk is supposed to be balanced with rewards.
If the circle-corp hopping is a way to benefit without real risk, it should probably be an exploit.
Stop whining and kill them back or leave the area the opposing corp lives in.
This is Eve. You consent to pvp when you log on.
Originally by: Mangala Solaris
EVE really doesnt have set goals, its a freeform sandbox - yes a sandbox with kids that occasionally take a dump in it, but a sandbox never the less.
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Quelque Chose
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Posted - 2008.02.17 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Friendly
What an odd thread.
Don't want to be war decced? Stay in npc corps. Want the benefits of a player corp? Risk being 'decced. Like everything else in Eve, risk is supposed to be balanced with rewards.
So, um... what risk exactly is the OP's corp taking here?
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Karentaki
Gallente
Combat-Evolved
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Posted - 2008.02.17 12:40:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: Mr Friendly
What an odd thread.
Don't want to be war decced? Stay in npc corps. Want the benefits of a player corp? Risk being 'decced. Like everything else in Eve, risk is supposed to be balanced with rewards.
So, um... what risk exactly is the OP's corp taking here?
Judging from how stupid the war targets seem to be, I doubt there's any risk, but if they were just a tiny bit smarter they might consider hiring a merc corp or something. I'm sure TRAPS would suffer a few losses then, and probably drop the dec. However, the war targets seem to prefer using dubious meta-tactics to avoid any kind of losses rather than actually either standing up for themselves, hiring mercs, or just running off to an NPC corp.
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Carebear Trader
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Posted - 2008.02.17 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Karentaki
Originally by: Quelque Chose
Originally by: Mr Friendly
What an odd thread.
Don't want to be war decced? Stay in npc corps. Want the benefits of a player corp? Risk being 'decced. Like everything else in Eve, risk is supposed to be balanced with rewards.
So, um... what risk exactly is the OP's corp taking here?
Judging from how stupid the war targets seem to be, I doubt there's any risk, but if they were just a tiny bit smarter they might consider hiring a merc corp or something. I'm sure TRAPS would suffer a few losses then, and probably drop the dec. However, the war targets seem to prefer using dubious meta-tactics to avoid any kind of losses rather than actually either standing up for themselves, hiring mercs, or just running off to an NPC corp.
If anyone here has visited TRAPS killboards, they'll notice for almost all the campaigns, the kill/loss ratio is really lopsided in favor of TRAPS. Mainly because most of their campaigns were against Roleplay/mining/industrial corps.
I know nexa will say something like, 'look at those rich carebears isk farming and all flying battlships/faction gear etc...... but the point is she chooses those targets cos she knows they're usually **** poor at pvp and look good on the killboards.
One of her campaigns last summer was against the Crimson Federation; after raking up many kills against them, the Crimson ceo basically booted all the industrial corps from his alliance and vowed to not surrender and continue the fight with the several remaining hardcore pvp corps.
Of course within a few weeks, nexa called the war off, stating on the forums here it was due to 'lack of targets' lol. More likely she didn't like fighting people that were up for a fight. Afaik she still pursued all the soft targets ie. - former industrial member corps of the alliance and got surrender payments from most.
Hmm looking at her personal stats 384 kills to 8 losses, 48:1 kill ration, does seem to indicate a lot of padding via industrial kills though.
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coffeecigarettebeer
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Posted - 2008.02.17 13:33:00 -
[87]
Good Post.
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.17 14:06:00 -
[88]
Originally by: mercspy
Edited by: mercspy on 15/02/2008 11:37:48
oh here we go again you don't give up do you what you are doing now is classed as harassment you have been doing it for last 2 weeks. you are basically harassing indy players non stop because they jumped corp because they were war decked? you are pathetic grow up,
And so what if they jump corps they don't want to pay for a game and sit in a station all day they want to play the game how they want to and not how you want to.
leave them alone and go deck a pvp corp you are pathetic don't you have anything better to do?
I also do think this can be petitioned against you as Game harassment.
Look at how stupid you are.
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Karentaki
Gallente
Combat-Evolved
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Posted - 2008.02.17 15:17:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Karentaki on 17/02/2008 15:19:24
Originally by: Carebear Trader
If anyone here has visited TRAPS killboards, they'll notice for almost all the campaigns, the kill/loss ratio is really lopsided in favor of TRAPS. Mainly because most of their campaigns were against Roleplay/mining/industrial corps.
I know nexa will say something like, 'look at those rich carebears isk farming and all flying battlships/faction gear etc...... but the point is she chooses those targets cos she knows they're usually **** poor at pvp and look good on the killboards.
One of her campaigns last summer was against the Crimson Federation; after raking up many kills against them, the Crimson ceo basically booted all the industrial corps from his alliance and vowed to not surrender and continue the fight with the several remaining hardcore pvp corps.
Of course within a few weeks, nexa called the war off, stating on the forums here it was due to 'lack of targets' lol. More likely she didn't like fighting people that were up for a fight. Afaik she still pursued all the soft targets ie. - former industrial member corps of the alliance and got surrender payments from most.
Hmm looking at her personal stats 384 kills to 8 losses, 48:1 kill ration, does seem to indicate a lot of padding via industrial kills though.
The point it, if TRAPS get decced by mercs, there is no way for them to avoid the war except by joining an NPC corp or just staying docked. I doubt they will do either of these things and will probably give a good fight. You really should consider which is worse: the self confessed pirates who war dec corps to make money, or the carebears who use metagame tactics verging on exploits to avoid said wardecs then deny any wrongdoing?
EDIT: /me wonders why he's arguing with an alt...
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Quelque Chose
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Posted - 2008.02.17 15:25:00 -
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Quote:
Judging from how stupid the war targets seem to be, I doubt there's any risk, but if they were just a tiny bit smarter they might consider hiring a merc corp or something. I'm sure TRAPS would suffer a few losses then, and probably drop the dec. However, the war targets seem to prefer using dubious meta-tactics to avoid any kind of losses rather than actually either standing up for themselves, hiring mercs, or just running off to an NPC corp.
I don't know that these guys are stupid necessarily, they certainly know how to game the system. More likely they can't afford mercs? Or perhaps they're hoping that what they're doing is simply the most efficient means of making it go away.
And as for rewards, what's really in it for these guys being a corp anyway? It's not like they could own a POS in this state even if they could afford one (laughable prospect). You can get all these things for free: a forum, an IRC channel, an ingame chat channel, ingame trades. TS and vent servers of the size they would seem to require are dirt cheap. If they organized that way they could even offer immunity to warfare as a recruiting perk, so in effect they'd get a slightly better return on zero risk. Seems to me the risk/ reward ratio in their incorporation isn't quite what you make it out to be. In fairness, the corp approach is moderately less hassle.
And finally, if it all comes down to cost/ benefit (as it surely must in a capitalist dystopia like EVE) what could they possibly stand to gain by not being "lamers" here? Besides massive expense, I mean. What they're doing must be a hassle for them; sure it keeps them organizationally solvent but a corp can't really hope to develop under such conditions. But still I'm sure they've looked at it and judged it to be less costly than certain death or payment of an outrageous ransom. Warfare obviously offers them all risk and no reward. And if your response to them is "them's the brakes" then surely it must be so for the warring party as well; sometimes it's just not worth it, and making it that way for the other guy is ultimately how you seem to win or lose here.
So it sounds to me like both sides are freaking out here because they've been denied access to their low- risk, low- return source of income and e-pen0r by "jerkwads." Though this situation has interested me enough to post about it, I'm having a pretty hard time finding somebody to sympathize with here.
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