I am not talking about mains of that ppl that complain.
I am talking about botting alts that finance that combat records of some ppl.

And for your information, EVE is not all about pew pew combat, there are other kinds of combat that don't give you killmails.

Feel free to check mine.

Most of the complains here center around a muscle memory issue that will take a day or so to retrain... get used to putting your mouse over the overview when you want to freeze it to target or broadcast, and over other critical area's (like changing already locked targets, activating/deactivating modules, changing your heading) at other times.

The ctrl/freeze behavior needed to change, badly, and this HAS been mentioned many times. for obvious reasons.

The issues that do need tweaking are the column width/header issues, and multiple client behavior when the mouse changes screen. Neither one is major, and will likely be a fairly quick fix. Placement of new target and broadcast targets when the overview is frozen may need to be looked at as well.

I fully understand the desire for heavily combat oriented pilots to not have to look around or try to do something differently when in the midst of combat. We wish to be able to do certain things without having to think about it, so as to pay attention to more important things... this means when a change occurs it will likely receive a poor reception at first. This is understandable, but frankly some of the responses have been pretty silly.

I would suggest trying it for a few days before you pass judgement, allow yourself time to get used to it. The advantages are pretty obvious once you get past old habits.

Feel free to check mine.

Most of the complains here center around a muscle memory issue that will take a day or so to retrain... get used to putting your mouse over the overview when you want to freeze it to target or broadcast, and over other critical area's (like changing already locked targets, activating/deactivating modules, changing your heading) at other times.

The ctrl/freeze behavior needed to change, badly, and this HAS been mentioned many times. for obvious reasons.

The issues that do need tweaking are the column width/header issues, and multiple client behavior when the mouse changes screen. Neither one is major, and will likely be a fairly quick fix. Placement of new target and broadcast targets when the overview is frozen may need to be looked at as well.

I fully understand the desire for heavily combat oriented pilots to not have to look around or try to do something differently when in the midst of combat. We wish to be able to do certain things without having to think about it, so as to pay attention to more important things... this means when a change occurs it will likely receive a poor reception at first. This is understandable, but frankly some of the responses have been pretty silly.

I would suggest trying it for a few days before you pass judgement, allow yourself time to get used to it. The advantages are pretty obvious once you get past old habits.

because i pay money for TQ.

edit: i'm all for occasionally testing stuff on sisi, but don't act like it's a responsibility we have. People do it either because they can spare the time, or because they want to get some kind of advantage out of it

Feel free to check mine.

Most of the complains here center around a muscle memory issue that will take a day or so to retrain... get used to putting your mouse over the overview when you want to freeze it to target or broadcast, and over other critical area's (like changing already locked targets, activating/deactivating modules, changing your heading) at other times.

The ctrl/freeze behavior needed to change, badly, and this HAS been mentioned many times. for obvious reasons.

The issues that do need tweaking are the column width/header issues, and multiple client behavior when the mouse changes screen. Neither one is major, and will likely be a fairly quick fix. Placement of new target and broadcast targets when the overview is frozen may need to be looked at as well.

I fully understand the desire for heavily combat oriented pilots to not have to look around or try to do something differently when in the midst of combat. We wish to be able to do certain things without having to think about it, so as to pay attention to more important things... this means when a change occurs it will likely receive a poor reception at first. This is understandable, but frankly some of the responses have been pretty silly.

I would suggest trying it for a few days before you pass judgement, allow yourself time to get used to it. The advantages are pretty obvious once you get past old habits.

I dont know anyone with a problem with ctrl freeze. The only problem it had was in the last year when ccp introduced shortcuts and broke it.

As for not keeping my mouse on the overview, how am i supposed to scroll through pages of targets in a battle and watch their relative positions without having my mouse on the overview?

I dont need to try it a few days, ive played enough to know this change offers no improvement and only offers inconvenience for pvp.

If i want to pod kill someone in amamake, even if it was a frigate 1v1 i would have to switch to a large battle default because his pod will appear at the underneath 30 station and celestials so i would have to use a tab without those things just to even see his pod on page 1. That tab usually being used for fights 50vs50 +.

Not a good change.

i don't like my overview freezing at all. Its not too bad when it only freezes when you hold down your lock target button. But anytime you have your mouse over the overview its going to freeze. That is really dumb IMO just give me a option to disable it and i will be happy

I have nothing against making it optional, providing it doesn't jack with other aspects of the overview behavior to make it so that it can BE optional. However, with the new level of performance in effect, I don't think you're going to be as happy with the old way as you think.

I do, and you can ask anyone that broadcasts targets to the rest of their fleet. That was one issue, among others.

The rest of you posts illustrates that you are either unwilling, or unable, to figure out the couple of tweaks you would need to make to your habits and overview set up to have things work better than you currently do.

Buddy, it's not that hard.

Feel free to check mine.

so in a fleet of 200, 199 have to suffer so the FC can broadcast more easily?

also Ranger 1, please tone it down with the 'you're all stubborn and need to get used to it' comments. Do you seriously think 90% of the posts in this thread would be about the overview locking if it were a case of old habits die hard?

i cringed when this almost turned into a I HAS MORE KILLS THAN YOU SO I KNOW BETTER kinda thread, however




i hadnt checked yet. You do know the year is 2012 right? i cant even remember what the mechanics were like in 2010 but i know that CTRL'ing on the overview still worked. You're still free to have an opinion but please stop lecturing people that 'they don't know any better'

You do realize that Ranger 1 is merely my industrial alt, not one of my more combat oriented characters right?

You do realize that Ranger 1 is merely my industrial alt, not one of my more combat oriented characters right?

i'll take that as a yes to my question then

(also what then is the use of 'feel free to check mine')


ontopic: we never fly bigger than 50 man gangs, but we very rarely use broadcasts for targeting. And fc's seem to have done fine up to this point ^^ every single pilot ive spoken to that had undocked today disliked the new OV though

khm,khm

Overview changes broke someones botts?

This was one of the first things I thought when I saw the new overview.

I hope CCP didn't think that making it anti-bot (or harder to bot) by doing this was worth making the game lousy to play for presumably thousands of people who will have to adapt their playstyle.

Any issue that is plugged for botters or cheats just pushes them to another opportunity. The way to deal with botters is to remove the incentive to bot.

But that would require making navigating and scanning fun and lucrative which is way harder to do than screwing up the overview.

The "Incentive to Bot" has nothing to do with the level of fun involved with any given activity.

Hi All,

In December 1st 2011, I did a Petition regarding an issue that prevented dividends from being paid out to corporation members.

You tell me that you are looking into fixing it.

After 2 Months in the patch note of Crucible 1.1.2 you wrote that you have fix that problem, but after the patch the problem has not been fixed.

I did another petion dated 01/30/2012 and you ask me to do a Bug reports.

I did a bug report dated 02/03/2012 that you has not yet been filtered.

Now after the new patch Crucible 1.2 the problem has not benn fixed.

So, I would like to know If you want to fix it.

Best regards,

What does this mean and how is it relevant to what I posted?

What does this mean and how is it relevant to what I posted?

Any issue that is plugged for botters or cheats just pushes them to another opportunity. The way to deal with botters is to remove the incentive to bot.

But that would require making navigating and scanning fun and lucrative which is way harder to do than screwing up the overview.