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Phoebus Athenian
Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.18 16:56:00 -
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Good job guys, proud of you :) Nice stats and definitely great write up! ---
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Xaldor
New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.02.18 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Viqer Fell
Firstly, there were at least 2 or 3 freighter pilots that fled the alliance to preserve their safety following the war declaration. Lucy Stratos is but one example. Given that Lucy is the alt of Lucian Stratos who remained in NASA throughout the war it cannot be reasonably argued that the character left for any other reason.
Fled is such a harsh would, manoeuvred is probably more accurate. ;)
You would have caused loss or disruption if you caused the corp or alliance to lose members, people moving alts into different corps or leaving them in noobcorp to avoid wardec is not a disruption to the alliance given there was little in the way of disruption in NASA territory. It is one thing to pick off loners in empire space, another to venture into the belly of the beast.
I continued my mining operation in empire for basic ore during the period of the war, it was a minor inconvenience for me personally but I have enough miner and hauling characters that are not in NASA for this reason. For me it wasn't a massive disruption, just an inconvenience. I encouraged some people to move non-critical characters from the corp/alliance during the war dec for those of us that use empire for R&D and other activities.
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You go on to confirm that one of the member corporations left the alliance due to the war, The Hidden Hand, when we destroyed their POS. The implication being that the other 6 corps that left, did not do so due to the pressures of war.
I think we have had 3 or 4 merc corps operating against us over a period of time, some at the same time. I can only think of one person who has left because of the merc activity, a lot of the corp movement in the alliance has more to do with NASA's greater involvement with the coalition, corps in NASA have had the freedom to largely do what they like but life gets a lot more complicated when you are a part of something bigger and you have a lot more responsibilities and greater accountability when you can be blown out of your plot of land. When you look at the cause and effect of the corp movement I don't think ther merc activity had a major role in the movement.
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TNT understands also that Roundtable and HSHB were expelled due to their actions against BLAST. The internal strife that was caused by TNT's presence clearly exacerbated an already volatile position and ultimately led to Roundtable taking the action they did. Had NASA not had TNT sat on its doorstep, Roundtable pilots would not have had to call for help in defending their home systems and may not have felt the need to take the actions they did.
That is drawlng a long bow, I don't think any of the mercs had anything to do with those events unless you claim to be manipulating BLAST. Besides, searching through your website's killboard most of the casuaultied TNT inflicted were in empire space, picking off loners, mission runners and the odd logistic ship, did TNT venture out to NASA territory with any real success?
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On a final note I am pleased that you have been able to start recovering in the aftermath of the war. We take no personal pleasure in inflicting our clients lessons upon the target organisations, a job is just a job after all, we have no issue with wishing you every success in your future endeavours.
The financial loss was insignificant compared to what we have learnt in recent months, in fact, TNT and other merc activity has been most beneficial as a large industrial based alliance there is a significant learning curve as you establish military practices. Had we not learnt the lessons we have recently the potential loss we could have sustained in the future could have been catastrophic. So in essence we should thank those that funded your training services. ;)
What doesn't kill you does indeed make you stronger.
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.18 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Viqer Fell on 18/02/2008 18:57:11
Dear, oh dear.
It's funny but I do see why you are having to protest and respond in the way you do. I know exactly how fearful the NASA leadership was of internal strife, of inactivity and feeble participation in the operations against BoB and the effect these would have on the perception of NASA by the larger alliances controlling the territories you occupy. Having such bad public relations material out here must be a serious concern with little to mitigate it.
"Oh man, that makes us look well ****" was, I think, the phrase used by your pilot at the time.
Scared of being perceived as weak and ineffectual you cannot but protest that you were indeed pre-occupied with your "main fighting force" away in northern delve or whereever Miklon mentioned. You forget, we were part of your alliance for the term of the contract. Your main fighting force was lucky to contain more than a handful of ships. That said I want to make it clear I am not denuding the individual pilots involved. You have some good people and eager fighters. Just very, very few of them.
Flee? Relocate? Either way it's the same end result, you removed your Freighter and Transport logistics to NPC organisations and / or alt corps because you had neither the capacity nor ability to defend them had you not.
I am quite sure that I mentioned we weren't paid to engage you in Fountain yet we chose to anyways as a method of exceeding our clients expectations. In fact I did. It's up above in the original thread.
Picking off lone mission runners? Attacking solo miners? Oh for shame, how could we? What rotters. Let's for one second ignore the fact that those categories alone account for 75% of your active online members at most times eh? We were hired to kill your pilots, so please excuse us for being so effective. Had the other 25% not consisted of 20% docked or POS'd up members then we'd gladly have picked on them too.
Now let us move swiftly on to touch upon this Belly of the Beast notion. Seriously? Belly of the Tame Pet might be a more appropriate phrase.
Few things to bear in mind. The only thing that stopped us considering bringing larger assets (numbers and ship class) to Minotaur was the fact we were:
1) not paid to do so hence our presence was merely skirmish gangs 2) that BLAST were capable of occasionally putting a solid defence together. In this respect you owe them as had it simply been NASA responsible for the defense of Minotaur then well let's be honest there really wouldn't have been a defense. 3) We were not short of all those juicy lone targets in empire.
It really wasn't TNT's business how many miner accounts you have outside the alliance so the fact we didn't manage to discover you had x alts mining and didn't harass them is pretty irrelevant.
If it makes the alliance feel any better to think that 7 corporations left in 3 weeks and that 6 of these did so just coincidentally at the time we were at war with NASA then so be it. On reflection I think if that were the case then you really do have some serious internal problems as you watch almost 200 members disappear. 40 percent of your pilots just happened to decide at the time we were at war with you to leave. Odd coincidence. But I do like your theory nonetheless. Yes must have just been the stress of being part of such a dynamic alliance.
I never claimed to be manipulatign BLAST. They seem to be quite competent at running their affairs for themselves. What I do think though is the additonal strain of having TNT in your face constantly caused internal strife and ultimately led to the RDTBL's to do what they did, when mostly what they wanted was to help defend the home systems from us.
I am glad you feel you have learnt something. Lessons can be harsh but you will become stronger for them. It is not the people here though that NASA need to prove their worth to.
Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards |
SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:55:00 -
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So where is the Capital for me for those....special.... favors for Ace Frehley?
With best regards, SentryRaven KIA Noobship Pilot
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Jureth22
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:10:00 -
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Jood job TNT.
I always enjoy reading Viqer's end of contract reports.
Jureth22
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Kumq uat
Gallente Round Table Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:28:00 -
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I spose as head of the RDTBL combat fleet I should put my buck fiddy in here.
First of all I will give my props to TnT. I faced ya'll back in my Atrocitas days and then as now ya'll were good. I am also a friend of Biggus Tankus who is one of your boys. You were very effective on the empire logistics as most of our fighting force was in 0.0 Now as for your prescence there I only saw one nano fleet roam through and heard of a couple others but I would say your actual impact in 0.0 was not all that great. Not a slam on you understand, just what I saw.
Now as for the big question, why did we fire on BSA. As far as TnT's influence in this again I would say it was minimal. I will admit the timing was such that the war dec happened right with the ultimatum. This made me suspect BSA was behind the merc contract. When it is all said and done though that is just a drop in the bucket. I will spell out the main reasons.
I came up with the plan to take Minotaur. BoB still held the systems of PXF, RBG, and OL3. My thinking on it was that we spam our towers throughout the constelation to break Bob's sov and take down their cyno jammers. Bob would then make a choice. I was betting on Bob with all of their focus on Y2 and preventing incursions from Querious would choose not to expend the effort to hold a few systems that were cut off from the rest of their empire and would pull out. They could also have decided to shore up morale they would come in gunning and steamroll an upstart alliance. It was a risk but we decided to take it.
The risk worked as Bob started to take down their towers in this area. During this process we had been talking with BSA people flying through the area. BSA were supposed to be long time good friends of NAS and dedicated to the fight against Bob. They ninja jumped a tower into 57 and one into 9DQ. Tensions ran very high and we were ready to blast the Moros used for hauling the tower and the tower itself to scrap before it could even online itself but we were told to stand down. We were assured by BSA that the towers would not claim sov. 57 they said was to be used as a safe point from fighting in Y2 and 9DQ to launch strikes into the still currently BoB held PXF. We let them though most of my boys had a lot of misgivings about it including myself.
So eventually PXF fell and BSA jumps on a Chromium moon in there to as they said to us help fund their POS costs. So we say fine to that and continue to expand our prescence in Minotaur and gear up for assaulting B ob in Y2 now that Minotaur was Bob free. BSA confined themselves to ratting in PXF and we had just reached sov 2 in V6 and were about to hit Sov 2 in 9DQ. We also claimed sov 1 in OL3, RBG, and PXF during this time.
Then we got war decd by three merc corps followed with BSA announcing that we had 24 hours to leave Minotaur. As I thought a shooting war was about to start we made the decision to concentrate out assets to the V6/9DQ corridor in our deathstars to begin a war of attrition. My guys wanted blood. They never liked the BSA thing from the start. Then coalition politics got involved and they said we couldn't fire on them despite pulling off BS like that. We felt totaly stabbed in the back by our allies.
As BSA spammed more and more POS's and we could get our logistics in gear due to TnT we decided to screw this crap and started firing. This was a corp made decision and it was unanimous. We considered the POS's casualties of war, evacd what we could and killed as many BSA as we could before the coalition steamrolled our POS's with dread fleets. www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
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SoulBlythe
Five Dollar Angels Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.19 02:15:00 -
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I did not know that Black Sun Alliance (ticker is <BSA>) was in the fountain area. I will have to tell my alliance to watch out for them. ====================== President - Black Star Alliance <BLAST> CEO - Five Dollar Angels [FDA]
Split Infinity Radio DJ Host of the EvE Online show, Singularity
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Xaldor
New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.02.19 05:52:00 -
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I was not posting to trivialise the effort TNT went to, I am sure flying around empire space with next to nobody to shoot at most of the time is justification for your compensation alone, let alone the casualties you inflicted on those who failed to follow instruction.
I am a firm believer in natural selection, at some point survival instincts have to kick in or evolution does. In essence, what was lost is more hastening of the natural selection process and for us that ends up being a positive.
Your actions in empire space were impressive, but that is where it ends.
To claim that TNT was the reason for causing destabilization within the alliance I believe tarnishes any positive reputation you would have gained, trying to claim credit for events you had nothing to do with causes people to question the accuracy of all your other statements and many of your statements are tarnished with overstatements.
When I first joined NAS six months ago there were only a handful of active pilots, I think what we have achieved to date is significant. Nothing anyone has done to us to date has been more than a speedbump on the road in the greater scheme of things.
Grats to the mercs who fought the fight against us in empire space, moreso those that fought with some sense of honor that didn't need to stoop to infiltrating the corp and steal ships. There are a number of the mercs that fought against us that I would like to use one day if the need arises, TNT is not one of them. Infiltrating a corp and stealing ships I believe goes beyond the role of a merc and into the realm of pirates and thieves.
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Kumq uat
Gallente Round Table Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.02.19 06:44:00 -
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If you recruit like an idiot then you should be prepared to have stuff like that happen to you. Due to RDTBL recruiting policies we minimize the risk of getting spies. Nobody can be foolproof but I can also say we did not have our stuff stolen. We retained all of our cap ships and most of our equipment. You recruited spies by not paying due diligence to your recruiting efforts and it bit you in the ass. Tough **** and better luck next time.
Also don't trivialize what I wrote because I didn't put your exact ticker. Your entire alliance deserves to rot and die. The fact that the coalition hasn't gone and stomped a mud hole in your ass amazes me after the crap you pulled. I only hope after Bob is done Fluf makes good on what he has said and claims all of western Fountain and steamrolls you out of there. www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
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Ameri Boi
New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.02.19 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: SoulBlythe I did not know that Black Sun Alliance (ticker is <BSA>) was in the fountain area. I will have to tell my alliance to watch out for them.
Point of clarification: Kumquat-CEO of Roundtable Enterprises is referring to Black Star Alliance not Black Sun Alliance(alliance tickers are often confusing).
-Be advised this post and all posts not labeled as such by command officials do not represent the stance of NASA
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Scrutt5
Snuff inc
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Posted - 2008.02.19 07:18:00 -
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Great statistics and a very professional post contract report.
Looking forward to some great fights over the coming weeks.
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:05:00 -
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Eve is set in a harsh world where trust is a premium commodity far more valuable than Isk.
You can argue the morals of taking assets from an Alliance all day long and indeed these arguments have raged since the first new entrant looked at the first corp hangar and said "Nice Stuff, I'll take it!".
Some people, like TJ (glad you were man enough to post with your main btw) for example, see the world in Black and White. There is nothing wrong with this it's just that sometimes you'll be disappointed when you realise that others don't see the world from the same viewpoint.
Others see in shades of grey and at this point it comes down to where you draw the line. What becomes acceptable and unacceptable? At what point is shooting someone allowed or disallowed? Is it ok to use such tactics as logon traps or not? NBSI or NRDS? All choices are based on this dilemna of what is ok and what is not ok and it is only a matter for your own conscience.
Is it acceptable to steal and if the normal answer is no, are there circumstances when it becomes acceptable?
It is Trinity Nova's stance that it is acceptable to remove assets from an organisation where the contract goals are specifically achieved by doing so and only so much so that any such activity occurs during the term of the contract.
We do not spend months infiltrating corporations, we do not become your friends on Voice Comms and spend months working our way up some purpoted power structure.
In this instance, the interviews consisted of "can i join?" the answers were inevitably "yes, come straight in" and this was it. I've never in my entire eve years seen such lax recruitment policies. From that and nothing else our operatives had unrestricted access to the Capitals and equipment that were taken.
Now I am not trying to state you are wrong here, nor would I. This is a matter of individual judgement and everyone is entitled to their view. All I am trying to clarify is that this wasn't some random theft, it wasn't some dubious character randomly trying to nick your booty for personal gain, this was a paid for job and as soon as the job finished so did the infiltration.
On a serious note, you need to radically overhaul either your recruitment, your security or both if you wish to avoid a repeat event from exactly those random people I refer to above. If you continue to leave billions upon billions for a 1 day entrant to the alliance to get hold of then you are fooling yourselves if you believe you are not going to suffer such losses again.
If you wish to hire mercs then there is a job you need doing. Whether that be damage in space or to morale or escorting assets. In this respect you seek the best you can afford suitable for the job. It's counter-productive to then not hire the best simply because you disliked the way they excelled on a previous contract. It is for our clients to set our goals and aims and it is our clients that will judge our succeses not the people who still bear the bruised ego's of the last contract.
We're here to fight the fights that other people cannot, will not or simply do not wish to fight themselves. We kill people so that our clients don't have to. It is a dark and cold world in which we operate, we never claim to be nice people, just effective people.
It would have been so much easier to simply not mention the Assets removed. You were unaware who'd taken them and we could have simply snuck off into the night and not mentioned it again. This is not our style, if we do something then we are up front and honest about it. I would not advocate doing anything that we were not willing to admit to afterwards.
As for the other matter, all i suggested was that the added pressure of the war with TNT led to internal stresses that ultimately led to RDTBL losing patience with the weak stance you took. Do not forget we were in the alliance and corporate channels watching these events unfold. A rather unique vantage point to watch from.
Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards |
Slinktress
Gallente legion of qui Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:12:00 -
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Props to TNT; we had some good fights with you in Fountain. Cloakers are hard to catch, but we certainly had fun working to keep you off of our +10 neighbors NASA and Morsus Mihi. We lost a fair amount, but ended up getting a couple kills back.
TNT is very professional and don't smack. Any alliance would have a hard time dealing with what I've read here.
Good fun o7
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:48:00 -
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We found BSA to be competent and polite defenders of their shared territories with NASA.
Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards |
Taram Caldar
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.19 13:51:00 -
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Good work TNT. Great job fulfilling your contract requirements.
However, I'm with others: Theft is just wrong and is below you guys. No matter the reason. Then again I'm very anti corp-theft... regardless of the why's and hows.
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.19 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Viqer Fell on 19/02/2008 15:27:30 First of all thank you for the kind words.
Secondly I respect your forthright opinions and your willingness to put them across. It was an extraordinarily hard decision to make in committing ourselves to this course of action and indeed we explored and exhausted every avenue open to us before taking it.
When most people in EvE think about mercenaries they assume that the only option available is the bog standard we killed xyz number of ships and achieved x ratio of kills / losses.
You only have to look at the Crime and Punishment Galnet forum to see the recent dearth of unproven corporations toting their supposed services as mercenaries to see that many people think as soon as they are able to shoot something they qualify for entry into what is a fiercely competitive market.
There is a wide spectrum of corporations offering their services. On one end are the Tortugans. On the other you have the 5 man "hey I want to be a merc" corps. The range of services offered by these companies and the range abilties is equally varied.
If I wanted an established alliance in 0.0 taking care of then tbh I would look no further than KIAEddz. If I want a solo pilot taken out in an assassination contract or maybe some 5 man grief war taking care of then I'd look to Crime & Punishment for the appropriate corp. But for when you need the job doing right then there are few options at the high end (ignoring KIA).
TNT, REPO and maybe Mournival being those that will do what it takes to deliver the results you need.
Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards |
Kumq uat
Gallente Round Table Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.02.19 16:03:00 -
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Actually I'm not the CEO of Roundtable. Trebor Locke is. I am more the **** Cheney of RDTBL www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
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Kumq uat
Gallente Round Table Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.02.19 16:13:00 -
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I would put Under the Wings of Fury up there with the best of them. Worked with them some and am friends with their CEO Phelean (or something like that) Very good at what they do.
TnT I have to say ya'll have improved since the last time we faced you a great deal. I may have to keep you in mind should I need a bit of discrete work done. www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:05:00 -
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Yeah my list was far from extensive. I've never really come across Wings and not heard much about them but of course that doesn't mean they are not competent.
As for the rest, thank you and I would be glad to discuss how TNT can help you fulfill your needs. Discretion is assured of course.
Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards |
Phurious Wrath
Gallente The Hidden Hand
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Posted - 2008.02.20 00:58:00 -
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sometimes the lure of bigger and better things can be too much for those of us that arent fully aware of the actual position we place ourselves in. the lure of 0.0 space was a great temptation for many and we were no different. our very 1st venture lead us to an alliance that left us with a unfavorable rule of engagement while in the area of 0.0 space they had access to. one where we werent allowed to take an aggressive stance against any nuetrals due to the delicate manner of flagging. there were corps that were blue to some but not blue to others. we lost some ships to that very scenario where we warped in amongst some blues while in 0.0. while giving salutations someoe else warped in and targeted and engaged us. through the confusion of the local chatter of " stop ... stop ... they are with us" we lost some ships. that in its own right was no big deal. you live and learn. this alliance also happen to be at war with a merc corp and just like with TNT, they attacked they rears. they attacked the miners, the mission runners and pretty much everywhere the main fleet wasnt. it was also at that time the corps left that alliance due in large part to a war that they couldnt defend theirselves in as well as the reluctance of the main fleet to render aid to the corps that were actually in need of defense. our corp wasnt one of the corps targted but heard enough of the complaints from the ones that were targeted. the question arouse as to why if we couldnt have secure 0.0 access were we in the alliance whos fleet for the most part couldnt go into high sec space due to the rating of their more capable pilots.
one of the corps that left had a member that had formed some sort of back and forth communication wise with a member of our corp. that member turned us on to NAS. again the draw of 0.0 space became the issue. from the very begining logistics became a very big issue for us considering where we were and where minator was. one of the bigger issues was where do we refit our ships once we get there and once there what do we do. mine ... rat ... where do we sell. i mean no offense to anyone when i say this but the price of admission is what made it a worth while gamble. run 1 level 4 mission and your alliance fee for the month is paid for and then some.
shortly ( real short ) after we joined the big push for systems was getting started with more attention being paid to numbers and not the quality of numbers. we tried to get there and lost ships just trying to get there. then the war dec and call to arms. we tried to get there but lost ships in route which from our perspective seemed to fall on deaf ears. while other corps outside of where the main fleet was, were being attacked the response seemed to be "abandon your space and get out here to join the fleet this is where you are supposed to be. the more the better. we dont want to look bad in the eyes of the bigger more established alliances. if we show them numbers they might respect us better and let us hold this space"
now understand i am not an officer of my corp now am i a diplomat for my corp. im just a memeber that had good intentions even though i had misgivings about the whole thing to begin with. i spotted TNT in a our area of operations 2 days before they found where our pos was. while at the same time another merc corp also was in the area of where we like to run our missions. at this time i was kinda glad to actually not to have to go far to get some more real fighting in. i also saw it as a way to kick the birds out of the nest so to speak.
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Phurious Wrath
Gallente The Hidden Hand
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Posted - 2008.02.20 01:23:00 -
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Edited by: Phurious Wrath on 20/02/2008 01:23:49 was our leaving the alliance due in part to TNT and us trying to save our pos. depends on your perception of events. like i said .... i spotted TNT in our area of operations and communicated that fact 2 days before TNT found our pos. even when TNT entered the system with a scout ( we got some tech II drones out of that engagment ) we had time to take down our pos but we didnt. long story short ... i think The Hidden Hand was ready to learn the lesson we needed to learn. we were a bunch of individuals under the umbrella of a corp that still thought in ways of the individual 1st ... 2nd ... 3rd ... and corp 4th. i dont mean any of this to be taken in a negative way. it was what it was.
my position today as it was right before we joined NAS and this is too any new young corp in a position of making that jump to 0.0 as a corp. when you decide to make that move, make sure you have the ability to protect yourself to there ... once your there ... and on your way out if need be. the mistake The Hidden Hand made was relying totally on the alliance for protection of our ships and assests instead of thinking of protecting our own ships and assests with our own corp. the attraction to 0.0 is big but know there are certain requirments to being there. if you cant protect yourself then you aint ready. The Hidden Hand was not ready and regardless of the war dec we were having serious internal issues with understanding corp versus the individual.
now i would like to thank NAS for the opportunity that they offered us as a corp and i still will considered many of those corps allies regardless of current standing.
id also like to thank TNT for a nicely run operation and for helping me prove a point. what we lost in isk in time will be worth it in experience. you live and learn. by the way .... we still got those drones and i walk by and kick them daily.
this has been stated with my own mind and with out any knowledge of my corp mates who will be seeing it shortly if i have offended anyone outside of the ones in my corp then i am sorry, for my corpmates ... " hey my name is Richard because i am a ... "
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.20 10:28:00 -
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It is reassuring if somewhat disappointing to have our assessment of NASA's internal behaviours confirmed by somebody who lost a large amount of Isk to TNT.
I hope the learning experience for your company won't limit your future expansion and I believe that nothing in your post is critical of your own corporation beyond maybe that you tried to reach too high too fast. Had NASA provided any form of internal support for its members whilst they tried to achieve the orders of "move out here to Fountain" then maybe they wouldn't have lost half so many pilots, ships or assets.
I also note with interest your comments regarding the motivations for NASA's drive to get people in 0.0. It tallies with our previous assessment and seems somewhat at odds with NASA's strident protestations.
I wish you all the best in your future endeavours and should you need assistance in future with any problems, feel free to contact me. I like your honesty and I'm sure we'll be able to sort you out with a good rate.
Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards |
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