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Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.16 21:53:00 - [1] Edited by: Viqer Fell on 16/02/2008 21:54:25 On behalf of Trinity Nova Mercenary Services (ôTNTö) I am delighted to announce the successful completion of its latest contract. TNT was recently contracted via a broker (MERC WANTED) on behalf of his client, the client wishes to retain their anonymity at this time. Whilst we are ignorant of the client's ultimate motivations we understand that the target, New Age Solutions Amalgamated Alliance (ôNASAö), was refuge to a lone pilot who ransomed our client and then proceeded to destroy them afterwards breaking the ago old code of allowing ransomed pilots to escape with their hull intact. This was to prove extraordinarily costly for NASA and the moral of the tale is obvious, to be honourable and gracious even as a criminal. Our Contractual aims were simple and yet wide-ranging, to destroy NASA's logistics during their ongoing re-deployment to the Minotaur constellation of Fountain, to disrupt their ongoing Empire operations, to inflict large scale damage on their space based assets (shipping and structures) and to demoralise their pilots and member corporations. We were advised however that the client did not expect us to venture into Fountain as the price negotiated did not reflect this level of job. Within four days of our contractual war beginning though we began to see a swathe of NASA pilots retreating to their home systems in Minotaur, Fountain. We were determined to exceed our clients expectations on this contract, and as such, we resolved that we'd not let the fact they were retreating to Fountain stop us. Soon NASA were losing pilots and ships in their 0.0 hideaway as well as across the gulf of empire space. During the course of our job, alliance membership fell from a zenith of c500 pilots to just 305 by the end of the war. Most people would assume we had helped cut away the dead wood as happens in some wars but what became clear to NASA was that far from clearing the rotten outer shell we were hewing deep into its core membership and they had begun to lose active pilots hand over fist. One corporation left to try and save it's Shadow Tower once they noticed our siege engines reducing its defences to rubble. They initially tried to plead for clemency but it was not ours to offer. The tower was subsequently destroyed despite the impact on some of my pilots security status following the corporation leaving NASA's. This was just one of many corporations that left the alliance whilst receiving TNT's attention. The stress and strain of having TNT shadow and anticipate their every move soon began to tell and internal dissension became rife as pilots argued over what the alliance should be focussing on. NASA is desperate to hang on the coat tails of the larger alliances and thus obtain space in Fountain of its own. To this end they have taken up an "Anti-Bob" stance in an effort to curry favour with MM and Bruce. Thus whilst their members were being smashed on both the empire front and in their home systems the leadership committed their members to fighting BOB at the southern end of Fountain with the coalition forces. With their logistics stretched, their morale sapped, their pilots under constant fire from TNT and their home systems now being challenged for sovereignty, the pressure was too much and several of their member corps snapped and began to fire upon the +10's that were setting up POS's in their backyard. This led to their removal from the Alliance and the destruction of their POS's by local forces as they were now set as "neutral". Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.16 21:53:00 - [2] Edited by: Viqer Fell on 16/02/2008 21:54:46 During the course of our operations we noted that NASA's logistics were primarily based around Carrier and Rorqual jumps and these were being timed and planned so that the ships were jumping almost immediately upon undocking and that the jump-in point's were located to place them in dock range of their destination station or within safety range of a POS shield. This was the only contractual goal that was causing us some small concern. NASA had immediately moved their freighter and hauler pilots into alternate corporations when they received Concord's notification of our war. They were able, via the aforementioned, capital ships to continue to move assets out of our sphere of influence. TNT actively hunted and destroyed their cynosaural pilots repeatedly but this wasn't enough to our minds. The only way to stymie their operations and to over-achieve in our goals was becoming clear. We needed to focus our attentions on removing their access to their Capital Fleet and in doing so cripple their logistics in one fell blow. Over the first two weeks we had destroyed billions of ships and assets and reduced NASA's pilots to sneaking around space, hoping they wouldn't be seen as they rushed from hole to hole like frightened rabbits. It was time to deliver what we believed would be a devastating blow to morale and to their abilities to move assets. Covert operatives entered the key organisations structures in 0.0 and boarded two Thanatos class carrier ships. As they left the safety of the POS shields they tractored multiple ships into the waiting ship bays and transported the contents of the alliances space based cargo containers into the awaiting hangars. Immediately afterwards our operatives also boarded the alliances Rorqual class industrial ship that had also been left unguarded and unsecured. This behemoth of an industrial ship was slow coming online but once the pilot had breached the primary command system he ordered the ships systems to drag the remaining space based mining barges and Exhumers and set a course out of the system. Within the space of minutes our operatives had removed almost 7 billion Isk in assets from the alliances storage depot and, without a Rorqual, we had massively hindered their ability to move further assets into Fountain from Empire. We are aware via our covert operatives that NASA were approached at this time by the client to explain why they had received TNT's attentions. We are also aware that NASA was approached by a third party who mailed them regarding the thefts suggesting that it had been undertaken by an internal member for personal gain. I am more than happy to put pay to this rumour and confirm that TNT were responsible for the assets being removed in a direct effort to achieve its clients goals. Our operatives are now safely home and have left their temporary employ within NASA's subsidiary organisations. Overall TNT has inflicted almost 13 billion Isk worth of damage to NASA, we have cost them almost 40% of the membership and perhaps most severely we were sufficient hindrance to their operations that it enabled the Black Star Alliance to begin claiming system sovereignty from right under NASA's nose. Without the ability to put up further POS, NASA could do little but sit at the side lines wringing their hands. It is now likely that NASA will be forced to relocate out of Minotaur as a result and we understand they are currently looking with dismay at basing out of Kraken. TNT's services have already been secured for a further contract and following this we will be offering our pilots a period of shore leave. We have now been on active contract for almost 7 weeks in one form or another. If you wish to discuss securing our services then please feel free to contact us via our forums, our ingame channel TrinityNova or by speaking directly to Viqer Fell, TheMantisCH, Fojar or Shajra K'han. I will now open the floor to any questions you may have. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.16 21:55:00 - [3] . Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Gallant Nose Thunderstruck.	Posted - 2008.02.16 22:02:00 - [4] nice write up
touchvill D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.16 22:09:00 - [5] Played guys! Great write up as usual! ---------- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Larice Minmatar Seven Provinces	Posted - 2008.02.16 23:15:00 - [6] Gratz TNT. Nice report.
Ace Frehley Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.16 23:37:00 - [7] Yeah I know, I¦m the greatest..... not
Rastelle Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.17 00:24:00 - [8] Great contract,well FC'ed, and amazing team playing. my only wish is that i could have played more (dam work)
Imperius Blackheart Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.17 00:25:00 - [9] o7 Great stuff TNT, good to see you doing what you do best. Some seriously impressive stats there. And Fojar good vid, very entertaining <3 Love you guys. [/url] Proud member of the Caldari Death Squad
Little Zandra Minmatar Funky Monkey Lovers	Posted - 2008.02.17 00:40:00 - [10] its good to see you guys have grown from your early days where i myself wasnt all that much impressed but i have to say this isnt all that bad. keep up the good work and the more people stick to their ransoms and let people live if they pay the better it is for the pirates in and around eve.

proselytizer New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.02.17 00:46:00 - [11] TNT, You guys did a good job. Stole my carrier (Grey's Believer)... if there's honor in that. You did get within 7km of my black ops... You popped me in a mega (at least we were actually hunting you). You outclassed us this time. Perhaps we meet again on the battlefield. Cudos. proselytizer
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.17 01:01:00 - [12] Cheers for the props guys. Pros all I can say is that you appeared to be the one guy willing to try to fight and I tip my hat to you on that. We would seriously have loved to have fought and destroyed the carriers and Rorqual but circumstances were such that your alliance refused to risk them during the war. Removing them from NASA's ownership was the only real option open to us in prosecuting that aspect of the goals set. As for the black ops given the area we had to cover, I am quite pleased we got that close. My guys tried very very hard to pin that ship down and were disappointed when you managed to eek your way away from the gate. If you guys ever need a merc force give us a shout, at least you know we deliver Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Frogzuk Dragonian Freelancers KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.17 02:12:00 - [13] nice write up Viqer and congrats to TNT for a job well done ! froggy DGF website killboard
Mikron Alexarr New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.02.17 02:33:00 - [14] Yes, a very literary write-up. Unfortunately there was some creative license taken in the composition. I'm here to make some clarification. Firstly, there was a corp that decided to leave our alliance due to the pressure that trinity nova's capital fleet put on their tower. True enough. Secondly, our alliance with the Northern Powers - From the days of the beginning of NAS (the corp), we have always allied ourselves with the northern powers against the band of brothers alliance. We started our null sec presence in Cloud Ring during the reign of G-Alliance. Since then, we have always shared the common goal with the North to end the tyranny of the band of brothers alliance. NAS has always had the same motto. From our corporate description: "We at NAS seek to empower our members by giving them the freedom to pursue their own agendas, while also benefiting from corp solidarity and the experience of senior members, as well as totally voluntary group activities." We do not force the fight against bob. We only encourage our pilots to follow us. Round Table Enterprises (RDTBL) joined up with NASA to take the space in fountain known as Minotaur. Before bob's presence was gone, NASA pilots were setting up control towers in the constellation. We were growing at a rapid pace. Our free will policy was fine. Almost everyone wanted a piece of the action, and many pilots came to support our growth. The beginnings of Black Star Alliance (before they were an alliance) moved to minotaur, asking if they could share our space. We had always relied on the kindness of the the north before as a corporation and decided that we would pass along the goodwill that had been shown to us. All was well until BLAST formed. They then moved to set up towers. We allowed it. They showed no hostile intentions. This was a critical error. Soon, BLAST established itself in minotaur. It grew, as we had. One day, we were given an ultimatum to leave the constellation by the people that we had shown goodwill to. We retreated into a defensive position and prepared our towers and pilots for battle. BRUCE and MM stepped in and said that there would be no fighting lest we both be driven from Fountain. We both settled down and tabled the matter of the ownership of Minotaur. ____________________________________________________________________] "Did you just smacktalk my grandma?"
Mikron Alexarr New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.02.17 02:34:00 - [15] Trinity Nova was hired at a very convenient time. We were spread thin. They started with our logistics in empire, while we had our combat pilots engaged at the front in Fountain and northern Delve. I was busy trying to gather minerals with the now stolen Rorqual. I was faced with a difficult position. I had no combat pilots to secure our logistic lines. Throughout the ordeal, RDTBL resented the very presence of BLAST in Minotaur. The day finally came when they started shooting members of BLAST. Members of heaven sent and hell bent also joined in on the fighting. They were consequently removed from the alliance. We did not want them to leave or be kicked as we had grown close with them over the past months. However, we would not risk our long-standing relationship with the north for our new friends. This had been a long time coming and in no way forced by the contract against NASA. To be clear, at no point was NASA "hanging on the coat tails" of the other alliances. We were fighting bob and holding our space with the forces that had decided to come to null sec. We did submit to the other, bigger alliances' order not to fight BLAST in the interest of self preservation. We would not be the ones to fire against the coalition. It would simply be unthinkable - not just because we were outnumbered, but because of the good relations we have always maintained. Additionally, our freighter pilots were not moved into different corporations. I, being one of them, can attest to that. The rorqual that was stolen was done so while under the care of another of the NAS directorate. His inexperience with capital ships and trusting nature proved to be a major fault. This is a summary of the above events as they happened on our end. I didn't mean to detract from the OP's skill with words, I simply wanted to clarify some points that were not sufficiently covered. ____________________________________________________________________] "Did you just smacktalk my grandma?"
Mikron Alexarr New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.02.17 02:35:00 - [16] And now! On to the good bits. Trinity Nova was contracted by a pilot who was unhappy with the way that NAS (not NASA) conducted their low-sec business. In the Lonetrek region, we have always operated, officially, under the policy of NBSI. Personally, I normally work on NRDS. This was the letter from Trinity Nova: ôAs you are no doubt aware you have recently been on the receiving end of Trinity Nova. This is due to a single incident which I will try and explain now. Several months ago a pilot was ransomed in a low security system. Once the ransom had been paid however, his captives (members of your organisation) destroyed his ship regardless. At the time the only response from alliance leadership had been that you did not see yourselves responsible for your pilots actions, even if you did not like the actions taken. I have been asked to inform you that this must change. As a large organisation you MUST hold yourself accountable for the action of the people that fly under your banner. I have been instructed to end the contract with Trinity Nova at the end of the current period IF you follow the following actions. Cont... ...Cont 1) An apology on Eve Forums for any past activities that may be seen as ôpiratingö. 2) Included in the above, a statement that the alliance leadership is, and will remain accountable for activities of all of its pilots, past and present. 3) Re-imbursement for the ship and modules lost (including cargo) totalling to 1,23 Billion ISK (1,230,000,000) û funds to be sent to MERC WANTED. If the above is conformed to by 09:00 Eve time on Thursday 14th February (message to be posted on COAD or SHC Eve forums) then Trinity Nova will no longer continue on their current contract. Any questions or comments then please don't hesitate to contact me. Regards Merc.ö ____________________________________________________________________] "Did you just smacktalk my grandma?"
Mikron Alexarr New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.02.17 02:35:00 - [17] This was the first communication and at first, I was dumbfounded as to how one of our pilots would not have honored a ransom. Never, and I repeat, never has any pilot in NAS taken a ransom and continued the fight after the receipt of the money. This was also the case in the above mentioned incident. After a second mailing, I realized what situation this was about. The æclientÆ that hired Trinity Nova was indeed ransomed by our pilots. Our pilots also left as soon as the ransom was paid. Now, we would have appeared on the killmail as assessories to his ships demise, but if you check that same kill mail (the full one) There are other pilots on that killers list. Those pilots are responsible for his loss û at least, the ones who made it a reality. I had even encouraged them to leave him be, as he had paid the ransom. Yes, I was there in a Scorpion. I did know the pilots responsible. However, they did not fly ôunder my bannerö and thus I had no control over their actions. (not that I would, as part of NASÆs mission statement) The pilot lost his maelstrom because he had asked me to take part in the destruction of my corpmates and friends outside my corp. In his haste for vengeance, (he had lost a hurricane to them before this while I was in a Griffin observing) he asked me to team up with him. I was astonished at the ignorance. My conscience was actually bothered by the events that transpired. I was reassured by DarwinÆs Law. The pilotÆs name was ColonelForbin. He has taken an isolated incident and involved the whole of my Alliance. I will not pursue this pilot as my time is better spent looking for targets more worthy of my time and money. The shame that this coward must endure for his foolish actions is punishment enough (along with the loss of his money to the mercenary organization). Rest assured, however, that I will not forget what has transpired, and IÆm sure that none of my fellow pilots will either. I hope this hasnÆt gone on too long. This is what happened through my eyes. I did my best to keep my opinions removed from the reportings of the incident. I am also happy to report that the capitals that have been stolen, have been replaced. Trinity Nova, thank you for testing my pilots, even if I disagreed with the reasons. I may even contact you for your sevices when we have fully recoverd from this incident. I am the director of resource management for NAS and, in the absence of my CEOs, acting CEO, along with Krennel Darius. We are the senior directors of NAS and NASA. ____________________________________________________________________] "Did you just smacktalk my grandma?"
Oofig VanDoogan Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.17 03:29:00 - [18] Nice writeups all around guys, grats TNT ---------------------------------------------- Full circle.
Trebor Locke Gallente Round Table Enterprises	Posted - 2008.02.17 03:30:00 - [19] Edited by: Trebor Locke on 17/02/2008 03:35:37 Originally by: Mikron Alexarr Throughout the ordeal, RDTBL resented the very presence of BLAST in Minotaur. The day finally came when they started shooting members of BLAST. Members of heaven sent and hell bent also joined in on the fighting. They were consequently removed from the alliance. We did not want them to leave or be kicked as we had grown close with them over the past months. However, we would not risk our long-standing relationship with the north for our new friends. This had been a long time coming and in no way forced by the contract against NASA. Your members sure did enjoy assisting in the destruction of our POSs. Also in throwing true hate mail our way. I also would like to add the fact that NASA was being pushed and shoved into positions that were incredibly revealing via BLAST. I hold no disdain for them but, when you claim territory, you hold it. We also had various problems killing reds in home systems because when RDTBL pilots called for assistance against a target, or an escort during mining, or a ratting buddy, the calls were to deaf ears. Of course with the exception of many others in NASA claiming 'Round Table Whines too Much' when in reality, it really looks bad to run away from a fight shrugs. We got fed up with it all and decided to have a little fun. Might have lost some nice POSs in the process but, still well worth it :) Wish you all the best though :) P.S. Wraith is still very much a loose cannon ;) -------------- Round Table Enterprises Your friendly heavy production corporation.
Arrakkis	Posted - 2008.02.17 03:51:00 - [20] Interesting to hear TNT's side of the conflict. I'm the pilot of the Taranis from the video that ran at hull during our first encounter, then chased you off later on. I'm a new member of NASA, only joined about a week before the wardec, so I'm new to PvP and 0.0 in general. That fight was my first real PvP battle; I was pleased enough to have saved my ally and escaped just barely alive. Nearly got you during our second encounter, but you managed to slip out of my web/scram just in time. Pity I got there a moment too late to save the Domi. I had hoped to score one kill on you before the wardec ended, but I guess it was not to be. A pleasure doing battle with you, I'm planning on doing some real PvP practice with corpmates so I can put up an actual fight in the future.

SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.17 04:03:00 - [21] Am I correct in my assement that Trinity took more losses to incidental 'NBSI' engagements during the campaign than they took to NASA itself? I know I killed a curse of thiers during all the fun. Was an epic small scale fight, went on a long time and was much fun. GL to Trinity in thier future. o7 ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
MERC WANTED	Posted - 2008.02.17 10:54:00 - [22] Firstly my thanks to Trinity Nova, they have, as usuall excelled my expectations and those of my client. The terms of the contract were filled quickly and in a proffetional manner. I continue to recomend TNT for any Mercinary Services you may have. Their willingness to risk their ships in Fountin and their security status removing a low sec pos as an extension of the contract is what seperates true Mercinaries from Pirates that just desire a sideline business. This contract has been on my books for some time, it was chosen to be implimented now due to NASA's move to Fountain. The logistics of any alliance are afterall easier to hit when they are not docked up. Originally by: Mikron Alexarr The pilotÆs name was ColonelForbin. I have at no time give a pilots name to Trinity Nova in relation to the above mentioned incident. I have moved operations away from inflicting combat losses due to the leadership of NASA being unwilling to comply with the terms i provided (see above) and my client being unwilling to continue to inflict losses in ships, modules and moral to the general public of NASA membership. Updates on the operation will be posted at the Clients discretion should the need arise. Again my thanks to TNT.
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.17 11:57:00 - [23] Dear Miklon, thank you for the courteous response. Just a few minor corrections I would make to your comments but on the whole it was nice to see a pleasant reply. Firstly, there were at least 2 or 3 freighter pilots that fled the alliance to preserve their safety following the war declaration. Lucy Stratos is but one example. Given that Lucy is the alt of Lucian Stratos who remained in NASA throughout the war it cannot be reasonably argued that the character left for any other reason. You go on to confirm that one of the member corporations left the alliance due to the war, The Hidden Hand, when we destroyed their POS. The implication being that the other 6 corps that left, did not do so due to the pressures of war. TNT understands also that Roundtable and HSHB were expelled due to their actions against BLAST. The internal strife that was caused by TNT's presence clearly exacerbated an already volatile position and ultimately led to Roundtable taking the action they did. Had NASA not had TNT sat on its doorstep, Roundtable pilots would not have had to call for help in defending their home systems and may not have felt the need to take the actions they did. In terms of TNT being hired and any ultimatums that were issued I am afraid we cannot discuss those. The terms of our hiring are confidential and as such none of anybody's business but TNT's and its clients. In terms of the ultimatum you need to note it was not sent by nor related to TNT in the slightest. It was my understanding that the ultimatum was sent directly from the intermediary broker MERC WANTED on behalf of the client whose identity was kept confidential. On a final note I am pleased that you have been able to start recovering in the aftermath of the war. We take no personal pleasure in inflicting our clients lessons upon the target organisations, a job is just a job after all, we have no issue with wishing you every success in your future endeavours. Finally thank you to MERC WANTED for selecting TNT to fulfill his clients needs. .TNT. We Kill People so you don't have to. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.17 13:01:00 - [24] Edited by: Viqer Fell on 17/02/2008 13:03:07 Unecessary Modding given the polite nature of what was said but I guess the rules is the rules. Arrakkis said Interesting to hear TNT's side of the conflict. I'm the pilot of the Taranis from the video that ran at hull during our first encounter, then chased you off later on. I'm a new member of NASA, only joined about a week before the wardec, so I'm new to PvP and 0.0 in general. That fight was my first real PvP battle; I was pleased enough to have saved my ally and escaped just barely alive. Nearly got you during our second encounter, but you managed to slip out of my web/scram just in time. Pity I got there a moment too late to save the Domi. I had hoped to score one kill on you before the wardec ended, but I guess it was not to be. A pleasure doing battle with you, I'm planning on doing some real PvP practice with corpmates so I can put up an actual fight in the future. and MERC WANTED said Firstly my thanks to Trinity Nova, they have, as usuall excelled my expectations and those of my client. The terms of the contract were filled quickly and in a proffetional manner. I continue to recomend TNT for any Mercinary Services you may have. Their willingness to risk their ships in Fountin and their security status removing a low sec pos as an extension of the contract is what seperates true Mercinaries from Pirates that just desire a sideline business. This contract has been on my books for some time, it was chosen to be implimented now due to NASA's move to Fountain. The logistics of any alliance are afterall easier to hit when they are not docked up. Originally by: Mikron Alexarr -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The pilot¦s name was ColonelForbin. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have at no time give a pilots name to Trinity Nova in relation to the above mentioned incident. I have moved operations away from inflicting combat losses due to the leadership of NASA being unwilling to comply with the terms i provided (see above) and my client being unwilling to continue to inflict losses in ships, modules and moral to the general public of NASA membership. Updates on the operation will be posted at the Clients discretion should the need arise. Again my thanks to TNT. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Sgt Jinxed Domination.	Posted - 2008.02.18 02:17:00 - [25] Good writeup. <3 Fojar
jam6549 Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.18 10:14:00 - [26] nice work, and good video!
Tjakka KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.18 14:39:00 - [27] Edited by: Tjakka on 18/02/2008 14:40:53 Edited by: Tjakka on 18/02/2008 14:40:05 Originally by: Viqer Fell Their willingness to risk their ships in Fountin and their security status removing a low sec pos as an extension of the contract is what seperates true Mercinaries from Pirates that just desire a sideline business. So what exacly is the Difference between a pirate corp doing a sideline business and them? They shot a POS without having a offical war dec? (sec status hit) and they stole from a corp. Now you tell me what a pirate corp could do worse ... ... Avarage of 6-7kills per day, you probably stole more ISK then you destroyed
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.18 16:00:00 - [28] Edited by: Viqer Fell on 18/02/2008 16:01:27 TJ, I fully understand your stance is taken because you dislike the fact we removed their assets. Had we had any other option in respect of those capitals we would have gladly blown them up but sadly the game does not allow for this with instahopping capitals and poorly programmed collision detection around stations (40km docking radius anyone?). The POS issue is simple, the corp involved attempted to use a rather lame mechanic to try and avoid the consequences of the war where the amount of strontium you can fuel a pos with can exceed the time taken for a war declaration to expire when leaving an alliance. Had TNT been an alliance we would have immediately war declared the individual corporation and as such there would have been a fully sanctioned war in place for when the tower exited its reinforced mode. This is soon to be rectified and will not be an issue in future. As for the difference between what we did with the tower (bear in mind it was put in reinforced during a valid war)and a random pirate corp attacking a pos, don't be so obtuse. In that respect your comments regarding the numbers killed are just a little odd. We have colleagues in TRI killing 50-100 ships a week, people in Sylph havig their fun and friends in both BoB, BRUCE, MM and RAGOON blowing stuff up daily in mass quantities. Hell even Burn Eden manage to kill the odd pilot (joke BE guys <3 ). I am quite sure that down in Period Basis and Delve the Tortugans are applying substantial boot to ass and tbh I respect and applaud you all for the volumes of goods destroyed. Funny thing is that compared to BoB or RA or Goons or Hydra or BRUCE or any other of the Super-Alliances, a 500 man alliance, where the average online activity appeared to vary between 30-40 on day one and 15-20 by then end, doesn't offer the potential for hundreds of kills a week. Therfore to kill on average 1/5th of their daily activity and to have 75% of the rest docked or hiding is not a poor achievement. You know this and I know this so I find your viewpoint here quite bizarre. Ultimately your comments ingame, that you are against any sort of taking of equipment, whether this be by piracy, contracted mercenary work or just simple individual greed, is colouring your judgement and ultimately your response. Black and white veiwpoints are fine for hypothetical conversations, just don't expect the world to operate that way though. Or at least don't be surprised when someone does something that doesn't fit into this blinkered thinking. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.18 16:04:00 - [29] Just been linked to this. Good job TnT, nice write up :) KIA EVE Home Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.18 16:09:00 - [30] Thank you Eddz, KIA's performance within the Tortugan campaign has been impressive to say the least. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards

Phoebus Athenian Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.18 16:56:00 - [31] Good job guys, proud of you :) Nice stats and definitely great write up! ---
Xaldor New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.02.18 17:26:00 - [32] Originally by: Viqer Fell Firstly, there were at least 2 or 3 freighter pilots that fled the alliance to preserve their safety following the war declaration. Lucy Stratos is but one example. Given that Lucy is the alt of Lucian Stratos who remained in NASA throughout the war it cannot be reasonably argued that the character left for any other reason. Fled is such a harsh would, manoeuvred is probably more accurate. ;) You would have caused loss or disruption if you caused the corp or alliance to lose members, people moving alts into different corps or leaving them in noobcorp to avoid wardec is not a disruption to the alliance given there was little in the way of disruption in NASA territory. It is one thing to pick off loners in empire space, another to venture into the belly of the beast. I continued my mining operation in empire for basic ore during the period of the war, it was a minor inconvenience for me personally but I have enough miner and hauling characters that are not in NASA for this reason. For me it wasn't a massive disruption, just an inconvenience. I encouraged some people to move non-critical characters from the corp/alliance during the war dec for those of us that use empire for R&D and other activities. Quote: You go on to confirm that one of the member corporations left the alliance due to the war, The Hidden Hand, when we destroyed their POS. The implication being that the other 6 corps that left, did not do so due to the pressures of war. I think we have had 3 or 4 merc corps operating against us over a period of time, some at the same time. I can only think of one person who has left because of the merc activity, a lot of the corp movement in the alliance has more to do with NASA's greater involvement with the coalition, corps in NASA have had the freedom to largely do what they like but life gets a lot more complicated when you are a part of something bigger and you have a lot more responsibilities and greater accountability when you can be blown out of your plot of land. When you look at the cause and effect of the corp movement I don't think ther merc activity had a major role in the movement. Quote: TNT understands also that Roundtable and HSHB were expelled due to their actions against BLAST. The internal strife that was caused by TNT's presence clearly exacerbated an already volatile position and ultimately led to Roundtable taking the action they did. Had NASA not had TNT sat on its doorstep, Roundtable pilots would not have had to call for help in defending their home systems and may not have felt the need to take the actions they did. That is drawlng a long bow, I don't think any of the mercs had anything to do with those events unless you claim to be manipulating BLAST. Besides, searching through your website's killboard most of the casuaultied TNT inflicted were in empire space, picking off loners, mission runners and the odd logistic ship, did TNT venture out to NASA territory with any real success? Quote: On a final note I am pleased that you have been able to start recovering in the aftermath of the war. We take no personal pleasure in inflicting our clients lessons upon the target organisations, a job is just a job after all, we have no issue with wishing you every success in your future endeavours. The financial loss was insignificant compared to what we have learnt in recent months, in fact, TNT and other merc activity has been most beneficial as a large industrial based alliance there is a significant learning curve as you establish military practices. Had we not learnt the lessons we have recently the potential loss we could have sustained in the future could have been catastrophic. So in essence we should thank those that funded your training services. ;) What doesn't kill you does indeed make you stronger.
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.18 18:51:00 - [33] Edited by: Viqer Fell on 18/02/2008 18:57:11 Dear, oh dear. It's funny but I do see why you are having to protest and respond in the way you do. I know exactly how fearful the NASA leadership was of internal strife, of inactivity and feeble participation in the operations against BoB and the effect these would have on the perception of NASA by the larger alliances controlling the territories you occupy. Having such bad public relations material out here must be a serious concern with little to mitigate it. "Oh man, that makes us look well ****" was, I think, the phrase used by your pilot at the time. Scared of being perceived as weak and ineffectual you cannot but protest that you were indeed pre-occupied with your "main fighting force" away in northern delve or whereever Miklon mentioned. You forget, we were part of your alliance for the term of the contract. Your main fighting force was lucky to contain more than a handful of ships. That said I want to make it clear I am not denuding the individual pilots involved. You have some good people and eager fighters. Just very, very few of them. Flee? Relocate? Either way it's the same end result, you removed your Freighter and Transport logistics to NPC organisations and / or alt corps because you had neither the capacity nor ability to defend them had you not. I am quite sure that I mentioned we weren't paid to engage you in Fountain yet we chose to anyways as a method of exceeding our clients expectations. In fact I did. It's up above in the original thread. Picking off lone mission runners? Attacking solo miners? Oh for shame, how could we? What rotters. Let's for one second ignore the fact that those categories alone account for 75% of your active online members at most times eh? We were hired to kill your pilots, so please excuse us for being so effective. Had the other 25% not consisted of 20% docked or POS'd up members then we'd gladly have picked on them too. Now let us move swiftly on to touch upon this Belly of the Beast notion. Seriously? Belly of the Tame Pet might be a more appropriate phrase. Few things to bear in mind. The only thing that stopped us considering bringing larger assets (numbers and ship class) to Minotaur was the fact we were: 1) not paid to do so hence our presence was merely skirmish gangs 2) that BLAST were capable of occasionally putting a solid defence together. In this respect you owe them as had it simply been NASA responsible for the defense of Minotaur then well let's be honest there really wouldn't have been a defense. 3) We were not short of all those juicy lone targets in empire. It really wasn't TNT's business how many miner accounts you have outside the alliance so the fact we didn't manage to discover you had x alts mining and didn't harass them is pretty irrelevant. If it makes the alliance feel any better to think that 7 corporations left in 3 weeks and that 6 of these did so just coincidentally at the time we were at war with NASA then so be it. On reflection I think if that were the case then you really do have some serious internal problems as you watch almost 200 members disappear. 40 percent of your pilots just happened to decide at the time we were at war with you to leave. Odd coincidence. But I do like your theory nonetheless. Yes must have just been the stress of being part of such a dynamic alliance. I never claimed to be manipulatign BLAST. They seem to be quite competent at running their affairs for themselves. What I do think though is the additonal strain of having TNT in your face constantly caused internal strife and ultimately led to the RDTBL's to do what they did, when mostly what they wanted was to help defend the home systems from us. I am glad you feel you have learnt something. Lessons can be harsh but you will become stronger for them. It is not the people here though that NASA need to prove their worth to. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
SentryRaven KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.18 21:55:00 - [34] So where is the Capital for me for those....special.... favors for Ace Frehley? With best regards, SentryRaven KIA Noobship Pilot
Jureth22 Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.18 23:10:00 - [35] Jood job TNT. I always enjoy reading Viqer's end of contract reports. Jureth22 -------------------------------------- Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war
Kumq uat Gallente Round Table Enterprises	Posted - 2008.02.19 00:28:00 - [36] I spose as head of the RDTBL combat fleet I should put my buck fiddy in here. First of all I will give my props to TnT. I faced ya'll back in my Atrocitas days and then as now ya'll were good. I am also a friend of Biggus Tankus who is one of your boys. You were very effective on the empire logistics as most of our fighting force was in 0.0 Now as for your prescence there I only saw one nano fleet roam through and heard of a couple others but I would say your actual impact in 0.0 was not all that great. Not a slam on you understand, just what I saw. Now as for the big question, why did we fire on BSA. As far as TnT's influence in this again I would say it was minimal. I will admit the timing was such that the war dec happened right with the ultimatum. This made me suspect BSA was behind the merc contract. When it is all said and done though that is just a drop in the bucket. I will spell out the main reasons. I came up with the plan to take Minotaur. BoB still held the systems of PXF, RBG, and OL3. My thinking on it was that we spam our towers throughout the constelation to break Bob's sov and take down their cyno jammers. Bob would then make a choice. I was betting on Bob with all of their focus on Y2 and preventing incursions from Querious would choose not to expend the effort to hold a few systems that were cut off from the rest of their empire and would pull out. They could also have decided to shore up morale they would come in gunning and steamroll an upstart alliance. It was a risk but we decided to take it. The risk worked as Bob started to take down their towers in this area. During this process we had been talking with BSA people flying through the area. BSA were supposed to be long time good friends of NAS and dedicated to the fight against Bob. They ninja jumped a tower into 57 and one into 9DQ. Tensions ran very high and we were ready to blast the Moros used for hauling the tower and the tower itself to scrap before it could even online itself but we were told to stand down. We were assured by BSA that the towers would not claim sov. 57 they said was to be used as a safe point from fighting in Y2 and 9DQ to launch strikes into the still currently BoB held PXF. We let them though most of my boys had a lot of misgivings about it including myself. So eventually PXF fell and BSA jumps on a Chromium moon in there to as they said to us help fund their POS costs. So we say fine to that and continue to expand our prescence in Minotaur and gear up for assaulting B ob in Y2 now that Minotaur was Bob free. BSA confined themselves to ratting in PXF and we had just reached sov 2 in V6 and were about to hit Sov 2 in 9DQ. We also claimed sov 1 in OL3, RBG, and PXF during this time. Then we got war decd by three merc corps followed with BSA announcing that we had 24 hours to leave Minotaur. As I thought a shooting war was about to start we made the decision to concentrate out assets to the V6/9DQ corridor in our deathstars to begin a war of attrition. My guys wanted blood. They never liked the BSA thing from the start. Then coalition politics got involved and they said we couldn't fire on them despite pulling off BS like that. We felt totaly stabbed in the back by our allies. As BSA spammed more and more POS's and we could get our logistics in gear due to TnT we decided to screw this crap and started firing. This was a corp made decision and it was unanimous. We considered the POS's casualties of war, evacd what we could and killed as many BSA as we could before the coalition steamrolled our POS's with dread fleets. www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
SoulBlythe Five Dollar Angels Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.19 02:15:00 - [37] I did not know that Black Sun Alliance (ticker is <BSA>) was in the fountain area. I will have to tell my alliance to watch out for them. ====================== President - Black Star Alliance <BLAST> CEO - Five Dollar Angels [FDA] Split Infinity Radio DJ Host of the EvE Online show, Singularity
Xaldor New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.02.19 05:52:00 - [38] I was not posting to trivialise the effort TNT went to, I am sure flying around empire space with next to nobody to shoot at most of the time is justification for your compensation alone, let alone the casualties you inflicted on those who failed to follow instruction. I am a firm believer in natural selection, at some point survival instincts have to kick in or evolution does. In essence, what was lost is more hastening of the natural selection process and for us that ends up being a positive. Your actions in empire space were impressive, but that is where it ends. To claim that TNT was the reason for causing destabilization within the alliance I believe tarnishes any positive reputation you would have gained, trying to claim credit for events you had nothing to do with causes people to question the accuracy of all your other statements and many of your statements are tarnished with overstatements. When I first joined NAS six months ago there were only a handful of active pilots, I think what we have achieved to date is significant. Nothing anyone has done to us to date has been more than a speedbump on the road in the greater scheme of things. Grats to the mercs who fought the fight against us in empire space, moreso those that fought with some sense of honor that didn't need to stoop to infiltrating the corp and steal ships. There are a number of the mercs that fought against us that I would like to use one day if the need arises, TNT is not one of them. Infiltrating a corp and stealing ships I believe goes beyond the role of a merc and into the realm of pirates and thieves.
Kumq uat Gallente Round Table Enterprises	Posted - 2008.02.19 06:44:00 - [39] If you recruit like an idiot then you should be prepared to have stuff like that happen to you. Due to RDTBL recruiting policies we minimize the risk of getting spies. Nobody can be foolproof but I can also say we did not have our stuff stolen. We retained all of our cap ships and most of our equipment. You recruited spies by not paying due diligence to your recruiting efforts and it bit you in the ass. Tough **** and better luck next time. Also don't trivialize what I wrote because I didn't put your exact ticker. Your entire alliance deserves to rot and die. The fact that the coalition hasn't gone and stomped a mud hole in your ass amazes me after the crap you pulled. I only hope after Bob is done Fluf makes good on what he has said and claims all of western Fountain and steamrolls you out of there. www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
Ameri Boi New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.02.19 07:12:00 - [40] Originally by: SoulBlythe I did not know that Black Sun Alliance (ticker is <BSA>) was in the fountain area. I will have to tell my alliance to watch out for them. Point of clarification: Kumquat-CEO of Roundtable Enterprises is referring to Black Star Alliance not Black Sun Alliance(alliance tickers are often confusing). -Be advised this post and all posts not labeled as such by command officials do not represent the stance of NASA

Scrutt5 Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.02.19 07:18:00 - [41] Great statistics and a very professional post contract report. Looking forward to some great fights over the coming weeks.
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:05:00 - [42] Eve is set in a harsh world where trust is a premium commodity far more valuable than Isk. You can argue the morals of taking assets from an Alliance all day long and indeed these arguments have raged since the first new entrant looked at the first corp hangar and said "Nice Stuff, I'll take it!". Some people, like TJ (glad you were man enough to post with your main btw) for example, see the world in Black and White. There is nothing wrong with this it's just that sometimes you'll be disappointed when you realise that others don't see the world from the same viewpoint. Others see in shades of grey and at this point it comes down to where you draw the line. What becomes acceptable and unacceptable? At what point is shooting someone allowed or disallowed? Is it ok to use such tactics as logon traps or not? NBSI or NRDS? All choices are based on this dilemna of what is ok and what is not ok and it is only a matter for your own conscience. Is it acceptable to steal and if the normal answer is no, are there circumstances when it becomes acceptable? It is Trinity Nova's stance that it is acceptable to remove assets from an organisation where the contract goals are specifically achieved by doing so and only so much so that any such activity occurs during the term of the contract. We do not spend months infiltrating corporations, we do not become your friends on Voice Comms and spend months working our way up some purpoted power structure. In this instance, the interviews consisted of "can i join?" the answers were inevitably "yes, come straight in" and this was it. I've never in my entire eve years seen such lax recruitment policies. From that and nothing else our operatives had unrestricted access to the Capitals and equipment that were taken. Now I am not trying to state you are wrong here, nor would I. This is a matter of individual judgement and everyone is entitled to their view. All I am trying to clarify is that this wasn't some random theft, it wasn't some dubious character randomly trying to nick your booty for personal gain, this was a paid for job and as soon as the job finished so did the infiltration. On a serious note, you need to radically overhaul either your recruitment, your security or both if you wish to avoid a repeat event from exactly those random people I refer to above. If you continue to leave billions upon billions for a 1 day entrant to the alliance to get hold of then you are fooling yourselves if you believe you are not going to suffer such losses again. If you wish to hire mercs then there is a job you need doing. Whether that be damage in space or to morale or escorting assets. In this respect you seek the best you can afford suitable for the job. It's counter-productive to then not hire the best simply because you disliked the way they excelled on a previous contract. It is for our clients to set our goals and aims and it is our clients that will judge our succeses not the people who still bear the bruised ego's of the last contract. We're here to fight the fights that other people cannot, will not or simply do not wish to fight themselves. We kill people so that our clients don't have to. It is a dark and cold world in which we operate, we never claim to be nice people, just effective people. It would have been so much easier to simply not mention the Assets removed. You were unaware who'd taken them and we could have simply snuck off into the night and not mentioned it again. This is not our style, if we do something then we are up front and honest about it. I would not advocate doing anything that we were not willing to admit to afterwards. As for the other matter, all i suggested was that the added pressure of the war with TNT led to internal stresses that ultimately led to RDTBL losing patience with the weak stance you took. Do not forget we were in the alliance and corporate channels watching these events unfold. A rather unique vantage point to watch from. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Slinktress Gallente legion of qui Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:12:00 - [43] Props to TNT; we had some good fights with you in Fountain. Cloakers are hard to catch, but we certainly had fun working to keep you off of our +10 neighbors NASA and Morsus Mihi. We lost a fair amount, but ended up getting a couple kills back. TNT is very professional and don't smack. Any alliance would have a hard time dealing with what I've read here. Good fun o7 ~~Slinktress~~
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:48:00 - [44] We found BSA to be competent and polite defenders of their shared territories with NASA. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Taram Caldar KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.19 13:51:00 - [45] Good work TNT. Great job fulfilling your contract requirements. However, I'm with others: Theft is just wrong and is below you guys. No matter the reason. Then again I'm very anti corp-theft... regardless of the why's and hows.
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.19 15:22:00 - [46] Edited by: Viqer Fell on 19/02/2008 15:27:30 First of all thank you for the kind words. Secondly I respect your forthright opinions and your willingness to put them across. It was an extraordinarily hard decision to make in committing ourselves to this course of action and indeed we explored and exhausted every avenue open to us before taking it. When most people in EvE think about mercenaries they assume that the only option available is the bog standard we killed xyz number of ships and achieved x ratio of kills / losses. You only have to look at the Crime and Punishment Galnet forum to see the recent dearth of unproven corporations toting their supposed services as mercenaries to see that many people think as soon as they are able to shoot something they qualify for entry into what is a fiercely competitive market. There is a wide spectrum of corporations offering their services. On one end are the Tortugans. On the other you have the 5 man "hey I want to be a merc" corps. The range of services offered by these companies and the range abilties is equally varied. If I wanted an established alliance in 0.0 taking care of then tbh I would look no further than KIAEddz. If I want a solo pilot taken out in an assassination contract or maybe some 5 man grief war taking care of then I'd look to Crime & Punishment for the appropriate corp. But for when you need the job doing right then there are few options at the high end (ignoring KIA). TNT, REPO and maybe Mournival being those that will do what it takes to deliver the results you need. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Kumq uat Gallente Round Table Enterprises	Posted - 2008.02.19 16:03:00 - [47] Actually I'm not the CEO of Roundtable. Trebor Locke is. I am more the **** Cheney of RDTBL www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
Kumq uat Gallente Round Table Enterprises	Posted - 2008.02.19 16:13:00 - [48] I would put Under the Wings of Fury up there with the best of them. Worked with them some and am friends with their CEO Phelean (or something like that) Very good at what they do. TnT I have to say ya'll have improved since the last time we faced you a great deal. I may have to keep you in mind should I need a bit of discrete work done. www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.19 18:05:00 - [49] Yeah my list was far from extensive. I've never really come across Wings and not heard much about them but of course that doesn't mean they are not competent. As for the rest, thank you and I would be glad to discuss how TNT can help you fulfill your needs. Discretion is assured of course. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Phurious Wrath Gallente The Hidden Hand	Posted - 2008.02.20 00:58:00 - [50] sometimes the lure of bigger and better things can be too much for those of us that arent fully aware of the actual position we place ourselves in. the lure of 0.0 space was a great temptation for many and we were no different. our very 1st venture lead us to an alliance that left us with a unfavorable rule of engagement while in the area of 0.0 space they had access to. one where we werent allowed to take an aggressive stance against any nuetrals due to the delicate manner of flagging. there were corps that were blue to some but not blue to others. we lost some ships to that very scenario where we warped in amongst some blues while in 0.0. while giving salutations someoe else warped in and targeted and engaged us. through the confusion of the local chatter of " stop ... stop ... they are with us" we lost some ships. that in its own right was no big deal. you live and learn. this alliance also happen to be at war with a merc corp and just like with TNT, they attacked they rears. they attacked the miners, the mission runners and pretty much everywhere the main fleet wasnt. it was also at that time the corps left that alliance due in large part to a war that they couldnt defend theirselves in as well as the reluctance of the main fleet to render aid to the corps that were actually in need of defense. our corp wasnt one of the corps targted but heard enough of the complaints from the ones that were targeted. the question arouse as to why if we couldnt have secure 0.0 access were we in the alliance whos fleet for the most part couldnt go into high sec space due to the rating of their more capable pilots. one of the corps that left had a member that had formed some sort of back and forth communication wise with a member of our corp. that member turned us on to NAS. again the draw of 0.0 space became the issue. from the very begining logistics became a very big issue for us considering where we were and where minator was. one of the bigger issues was where do we refit our ships once we get there and once there what do we do. mine ... rat ... where do we sell. i mean no offense to anyone when i say this but the price of admission is what made it a worth while gamble. run 1 level 4 mission and your alliance fee for the month is paid for and then some. shortly ( real short ) after we joined the big push for systems was getting started with more attention being paid to numbers and not the quality of numbers. we tried to get there and lost ships just trying to get there. then the war dec and call to arms. we tried to get there but lost ships in route which from our perspective seemed to fall on deaf ears. while other corps outside of where the main fleet was, were being attacked the response seemed to be "abandon your space and get out here to join the fleet this is where you are supposed to be. the more the better. we dont want to look bad in the eyes of the bigger more established alliances. if we show them numbers they might respect us better and let us hold this space" now understand i am not an officer of my corp now am i a diplomat for my corp. im just a memeber that had good intentions even though i had misgivings about the whole thing to begin with. i spotted TNT in a our area of operations 2 days before they found where our pos was. while at the same time another merc corp also was in the area of where we like to run our missions. at this time i was kinda glad to actually not to have to go far to get some more real fighting in. i also saw it as a way to kick the birds out of the nest so to speak.

Phurious Wrath Gallente The Hidden Hand	Posted - 2008.02.20 01:23:00 - [51] Edited by: Phurious Wrath on 20/02/2008 01:23:49 was our leaving the alliance due in part to TNT and us trying to save our pos. depends on your perception of events. like i said .... i spotted TNT in our area of operations and communicated that fact 2 days before TNT found our pos. even when TNT entered the system with a scout ( we got some tech II drones out of that engagment ) we had time to take down our pos but we didnt. long story short ... i think The Hidden Hand was ready to learn the lesson we needed to learn. we were a bunch of individuals under the umbrella of a corp that still thought in ways of the individual 1st ... 2nd ... 3rd ... and corp 4th. i dont mean any of this to be taken in a negative way. it was what it was. my position today as it was right before we joined NAS and this is too any new young corp in a position of making that jump to 0.0 as a corp. when you decide to make that move, make sure you have the ability to protect yourself to there ... once your there ... and on your way out if need be. the mistake The Hidden Hand made was relying totally on the alliance for protection of our ships and assests instead of thinking of protecting our own ships and assests with our own corp. the attraction to 0.0 is big but know there are certain requirments to being there. if you cant protect yourself then you aint ready. The Hidden Hand was not ready and regardless of the war dec we were having serious internal issues with understanding corp versus the individual. now i would like to thank NAS for the opportunity that they offered us as a corp and i still will considered many of those corps allies regardless of current standing. id also like to thank TNT for a nicely run operation and for helping me prove a point. what we lost in isk in time will be worth it in experience. you live and learn. by the way .... we still got those drones and i walk by and kick them daily. this has been stated with my own mind and with out any knowledge of my corp mates who will be seeing it shortly if i have offended anyone outside of the ones in my corp then i am sorry, for my corpmates ... " hey my name is Richard because i am a ... "
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.20 10:28:00 - [52] It is reassuring if somewhat disappointing to have our assessment of NASA's internal behaviours confirmed by somebody who lost a large amount of Isk to TNT. I hope the learning experience for your company won't limit your future expansion and I believe that nothing in your post is critical of your own corporation beyond maybe that you tried to reach too high too fast. Had NASA provided any form of internal support for its members whilst they tried to achieve the orders of "move out here to Fountain" then maybe they wouldn't have lost half so many pilots, ships or assets. I also note with interest your comments regarding the motivations for NASA's drive to get people in 0.0. It tallies with our previous assessment and seems somewhat at odds with NASA's strident protestations. I wish you all the best in your future endeavours and should you need assistance in future with any problems, feel free to contact me. I like your honesty and I'm sure we'll be able to sort you out with a good rate. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards


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