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Dessau
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:24:00 -
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Let me begin by saying that, as someone who flies frigates almost exclusively, I am not in favor of T3 frigates.
First, there is already a wealth of frigates which can be fit to excel in a number of highly specialized roles. T1s can be fit as throwaway DPS, decoys, boosters, pursuit, tackle, painters, dampers, jammers, and then there are specialized EAFs, Assault Ships, Covert Ops, Stealth Bombers, Interceptors.
What role(s) are you looking for a T3 to fill that existing ships don't already?
Second, assuming for the time being that T3 frigates would use subsystems, frigate models are small. I am having a hard time visualizing a frigate-sized ship with 5 sets of interchangeable, modular hull components that does not look like an absolute mess.
How would you reconcile the T3 frigate visual design with the existing T3 Strat Cruiser designs? Would you take T3 design (either in terms of visuals, game mechanics, or both) in a different direction when it comes to frigates?
For those who back the idea of T3 frigates, I'm interested in hearing your reasoning on the topic. Perhaps they are a good idea and I simply have not seen the light.
Also, posting this in General Discussion like a ******* so I can get more responses. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:25:00 -
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Cause T3 is a higher number than T2 |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:27:00 -
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T3 = T2 with 3 rigs. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:09:00 -
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tech 3 frigates would be much more affordable for the tech 3 experince.
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Jack Traynor
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:19:00 -
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Because the game needs yet another lolwtfpwnmobile ship to become the Flavor of the Month.
There should be code in the system where for one calendar day only T1 fit noob ships can be flown. 1337 becomes "fail"... :) |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:31:00 -
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I still use my Hawk, Buzzard, and Manticore quite often, and like going for extended trips to different areas of the map. Would be nice to load up a Blockade runner with just one ship and a handful of modules and subsystems.
That would be my argument in favor of T3 frigates, anyway. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:32:00 -
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Well, if you look at the cruiser class, when T3s were introduced there already existed a lot of very specialized cruisers. The T3s haven't replaced any of these. A Rapier still have longer webrange than a webbing Loki.
The T3s brings two things to the table:
One, they bring configuration flexibility of course, the ability to swap out subsystems and reconfigure the ships for a diffrent role. What limits this flexibility is rigs - so it is a limited form of flexibility when it boils down to practical use.
Two - and much more importantly - T3s can be configured to be good at several things simultaneously. A webbing loki will have a shorter webrange than a Rapier sure, but it can tank and dish out damage while doing so on a scale never possible with a Rapier.
This is where the T3s shine. Thus, T3 frigates will not replace existing specialized T2 frigs, but they will take different T2 frigate capabilities, scale them down a bit sacrificing some speciality, but combine them into a more awesome package.
T3 cruisers also pick up the warfare link capabilities from commandships, so this could indicate that a T3 frigate sub could be a interdictor capability picked up from the destroyer class. |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:41:00 -
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Variety is always a good thing in EVE, and frigates needs a lot of development love. |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:42:00 -
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Frigates and battleships should have T3 variants, with the T3 ship being capable of doing everything well, but nothing as perfectly as the specialty (T2) ship. I would be fine with that, helps solo gameplay The pie is a tautology |
Joe Skellington
Scientific Nano Technologies Institute The Foundation To Protect Endangered CareBears
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:04:00 -
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Dessau wrote:Let me begin by saying that, as someone who flies frigates almost exclusively, I am not in favor of T3 frigates.
First, there is already a wealth of frigates which can be fit to excel in a number of highly specialized roles. T1s can be fit as throwaway DPS, decoys, boosters, pursuit, tackle, painters, dampers, jammers
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Sprite Can
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:05:00 -
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What role did T3 cruisers fill? Refreshing Lemon-Lime~ |
Cathy Drall
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:06:00 -
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I don't want T3 frigates.
CCP should really stop introducing new ships that render old ones redundant. |
Karl Planck
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:07:00 -
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Dessau wrote:Let me begin by saying that, as someone who flies frigates almost exclusively,
lol, really? |
Dessau
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:13:00 -
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Well, yes that was an RvB themed roam, but I'm referring more to my hours logged than my pathetic losses.
Thanks for the responses, all. |
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:15:00 -
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I would love a T3 Travel/scout frigate.
T3 subsystems focusing on travel. Real nano, as in, close to a km a sec without weapon systems and very fast warp speeds. Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:17:00 -
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Sprite Can wrote:What role did T3 cruisers fill?
Making command ships useless perhaps??? Is that a role? IDK. Off grid boosting needs a look at IMO but whatever.
I agree with the OP. Why bring in more ships when we have so many that are useless as it is? Either remove them from the game or make them useful, then after achieving that(yeah right), look at bringing more ships into the game perhaps.
Eve's been around for a long time. We need new stuff to make things exciting or whatever. New ships are good in that respect, but how about if you make a new ship that obsoletes and old ship, take the old ship out of the game as far as NPC orders for bpo's and what not.
You don't see ford still pumping out the model T.
Change can be good, new ships can be good, a bunch of useless clutter can be bad.
Seriously, what good is an imicus, or a condor, and many others?
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Neoexecutor
Skynet Technologies
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:17:00 -
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I want T3 frigs to be in game, because i believe that CCP can figure out those roles you were talking about. |
Karl Planck
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:18:00 -
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Dessau wrote:Well, yes that was an RvB themed roam, but I'm referring more to my hours logged than my pathetic losses. Thanks for the responses, all.
I am laughing at your age and record, not the loss. As someone with zero kills in a frig, and more importantly zero losses, you DO NOT EXCLUSIVELY FLY FRIGS. |
Dessau
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:23:00 -
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Dessau wrote:...as someone who flies frigates almost exclusively... I also have a natural talent for running away from BC gangs, which are the bulk of what I happen to find out there.
Another curious point, can someone who popped me elect not to generate a KM? |
highonpop
Void.Tech BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:31:00 -
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Karl Planck wrote:Dessau wrote:Well, yes that was an RvB themed roam, but I'm referring more to my hours logged than my pathetic losses. Thanks for the responses, all. I am laughing at your age and record, not the loss. As someone with zero kills in a frig, and more importantly zero losses, you DO NOT EXCLUSIVELY FLY FRIGS.
Or he just doesnt post to battleclinic. |
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:32:00 -
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highonpop wrote:Karl Planck wrote:Dessau wrote:Well, yes that was an RvB themed roam, but I'm referring more to my hours logged than my pathetic losses. Thanks for the responses, all. I am laughing at your age and record, not the loss. As someone with zero kills in a frig, and more importantly zero losses, you DO NOT EXCLUSIVELY FLY FRIGS. Or he just doesnt post to battleclinic.
This, pretty much.
Why do people assume everyone uses KBs? A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:36:00 -
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I have been trying to dispute a non api verified kill on battleclinic for the longest time, it originally stated I killed a guy with my tier 2 destroyer that is clearly not in the game yet.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:38:00 -
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I want a T3 frigate so I can have the speed and tackle range of an inty, launch bombs, warp cloaked and have the tank of a cruiser.
It should also be immune to bubbles, and what the heck, let it probe down other cloaked ships.
As a tradeoff, it could lose one of those abilities and have the DPS of a dramiel or drone bay of an ishkur.
amidoinitrite? This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:45:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:I want a T3 frigate so I can have the speed and tackle range of an inty, launch bombs, warp cloaked and have the tank of a cruiser.
It should also be immune to bubbles, and what the heck, let it probe down other cloaked ships.
As a tradeoff, it could lose one of those abilities and have the DPS of a dramiel or drone bay of an ishkur.
amidoinitrite?
And it would cost hundreds of times more than the other ships :P The pie is a tautology |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:02:00 -
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T3 cruisers pretty much obsolete all other cruisers, aside from the cost factor, and I really dislike the idea that cost becomes a major factor in balance. I'd much rather see all T3s go away and CCP fix existing T1 and T2 ships than add T3 frigs. |
Jack Traynor
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:39:00 -
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Rather than a T3 frigate, how about a hull that's a dedicated Science ship for those of us that aren't 24x7 knuckle-draggers? Great scanning/probing ship, maybe dedicated hacking/codebreaking scanner that doesn't need modules, no turrets, etc... Take the Noctis one step further for the non-pewpew... |
Lord Wamphyri
Starside Lost
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:41:00 -
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Two words: Interdiction Nullifier.
I would imagine that a highly agile frigate that can warp while cloaked and can't be stopped by bubbles would be the biggest reason a lot of people would want them.
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Atticus Lowa
Lowa Corp Industries and Security
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:43:00 -
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T3 Frigs would act the exact SAME way they do as cruisers, they would be highly customizable and at its heart they act like the assualt frigs, and otherwise fill a variety of needs, they would also be very ISK inefficent (but i own a tengu with fittings so whatever)
anyways... yeh lets balance other ships first, at least ships in their own class ( i mean yes a battleship will kill a frigate eventually, maybe not a cruiser but you get the idea).
but hey it gives an excuse to make t3 cruisers harder to get into, and gives a low-cost solution, perhaps weaker but still. |
Shukuzen Kiraa
47-Ronin Outer Ring Excavations Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:49:00 -
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Would much rather have T3 Battleships, but im all for any type of new ship really. |
Diablo Ex
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:41:00 -
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I'm all for having T3 Frigates, especially if they are as flexible as the T3 Cruisers. MULTI-ROLE and personalized should be the direction to take T3 ships.
The Cruiser has 5 subsystems, so the Frigate might only be able to fit 3. Choices will be more limited on a Frigate because of size limitations.
Don't worry about what niche role that they might fill, give them the flexibility to be not awesome, but satisfactory in all roles. AFK Psy Ops Command Cyno-Cloaky Brings it to you - Any Time - Hot and Fresh |
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