Let me begin by saying that, as someone who flies frigates almost exclusively, I am not in favor of T3 frigates.

First, there is already a wealth of frigates which can be fit to excel in a number of highly specialized roles. T1s can be fit as throwaway DPS, decoys, boosters, pursuit, tackle, painters, dampers, jammers

Let me begin by saying that, as someone who flies frigates almost exclusively,

lol, really?

What role did T3 cruisers fill?

Well, yes that was an RvB themed roam, but I'm referring more to my hours logged than my pathetic losses.

Thanks for the responses, all.

...as someone who flies frigates almost exclusively...

I am laughing at your age and record, not the loss. As someone with zero kills in a frig, and more importantly zero losses, you DO NOT EXCLUSIVELY FLY FRIGS.

Or he just doesnt post to battleclinic.

I want a T3 frigate so I can have the speed and tackle range of an inty, launch bombs, warp cloaked and have the tank of a cruiser.

It should also be immune to bubbles, and what the heck, let it probe down other cloaked ships.

As a tradeoff, it could lose one of those abilities and have the DPS of a dramiel or drone bay of an ishkur.

amidoinitrite?

I really dislike the idea that cost becomes a major factor in balance. .

I really dislike the idea that cost becomes a major factor in balance. .

Let me begin by saying that, as someone who flies frigates almost exclusively, I am not in favor of T3 frigates.

First, there is already a wealth of frigates which can be fit to excel in a number of highly specialized roles. T1s can be fit as throwaway DPS, decoys, boosters, pursuit, tackle, painters, dampers, jammers, and then there are specialized EAFs, Assault Ships, Covert Ops, Stealth Bombers, Interceptors.

What role(s) are you looking for a T3 to fill that existing ships don't already?

Second, assuming for the time being that T3 frigates would use subsystems, frigate models are small. I am having a hard time visualizing a frigate-sized ship with 5 sets of interchangeable, modular hull components that does not look like an absolute mess.

How would you reconcile the T3 frigate visual design with the existing T3 Strat Cruiser designs? Would you take T3 design (either in terms of visuals, game mechanics, or both) in a different direction when it comes to frigates?

For those who back the idea of T3 frigates, I'm interested in hearing your reasoning on the topic. Perhaps they are a good idea and I simply have not seen the light.

Also, posting this in General Discussion like a ******* so I can get more responses.

Variety is always a good thing in EVE, and frigates needs a lot of development love.

I want T3 frigates for the same reason i fly T3 cruisers. They are more versitile in that they can fill multiple roles but you can also fit them specific if you want.

T3 cruisers generally have a better tank and dps that HAC's and they can use one of the specialized abilities of T2 cruisers like how the Proteus uses the Arazu's long point range, so it's not out of the question to expect T3 frigates to be better that some T2 ships.

You're not serious right?

Surely you see how and why the current T3's are rather broken and rather do upset the balance of the game?

T3's were meant be more versatile, they were never meant to out DPS HACS or obsolete CS's, yet they pretty much have because they're not just "jack of all trades, master of none" they're "jack of all, master of all".

Hell, I've just set a Legion up for exploration and it's better than a dedicated T2 scanning ship! (Electronic Subsystem V is 4 days vs ~21 for Cov Ops V).

We really don't need T3 Frigates if CCP do the same as they've done with the Strategic cruisers.

OMG a 500+ million isk ship is better at scanning that a 25 million is frigate... Who would have though it?!

That's the balance that a lot of ppl for get. I'm much more willing to use a HAC in PVP than i am using T3's because it's not as devastating to my wallet if i lose one and i don't lose any skill points.

OMG a 500+ million isk ship is better at scanning that a 25 million is frigate... Who would have though it?!

That's the balance that a lot of ppl for get. I'm much more willing to use a HAC in PVP than i am using T3's because it's not as devastating to my wallet if i lose one and i don't lose any skill points.

There are 60+ frigates already in game and at least two thirds of them are worthless. The last thing we need is more of them.

I see a greater need for Tech3 Mining/Industrial ships than Frigates.

There are few places where Mining is a safe profession now.

I see a greater need for Tech3 Mining/Industrial ships than Frigates.

There are few places where Mining is a safe profession now.

..."a horrible idea just like EAF ships were a horrible idea. But everyone wanted them and quickly found out how horrible they are and now they are non-existent."

So ships should all be free, no one should need to farm isk to have them, and the only balance factor should be the easily offline trainable skillsets to use them, amidoinitrite?

Then again I wouldn't mind a new ship, perhaps a frigate with bomber DPS and cloak, AF tank, Interceptor speed, that interdiction nulifier, oh some ewar bonuses.. and large drone bay on top.. I like drones.. nearly forget probe bonus as well please. We can make it cost a billion or so ISK, that's way more than any other frigate so that's balanced right?

why is everyone assuming that a T3 Frig would be able to do everything all the T2 Frigs to at the same time.

I see a greater need for Tech3 Mining/Industrial ships than Frigates.

There are few places where Mining is a safe profession now.

They need to finish the T3 cruisers first. Still waiting on the 5th subsystem.

Because with a minimal amount of faction fittings, a Loki can offer all 3 skirmish boosts (T2), be cloaky, be probey, be hard to probe out (have ECCM), be interdiction-nullified, still have 35k EHP, and even have a salvager and target painter on top of that.

I EFTed that up last night and passed a brick.

Well, if you look at the cruiser class, when T3s were introduced there already existed a lot of very specialized cruisers. The T3s haven't replaced any of these. A Rapier still have longer webrange than a webbing Loki.

The T3s brings two things to the table:

One, they bring configuration flexibility of course, the ability to swap out subsystems and reconfigure the ships for a diffrent role. What limits this flexibility is rigs - so it is a limited form of flexibility when it boils down to practical use.

Two - and much more importantly - T3s can be configured to be good at several things simultaneously. A webbing loki will have a shorter webrange than a Rapier sure, but it can tank and dish out damage while doing so on a scale never possible with a Rapier.

This is where the T3s shine. Thus, T3 frigates will not replace existing specialized T2 frigs, but they will take different T2 frigate capabilities, scale them down a bit sacrificing some speciality, but combine them into a more awesome package.

T3 cruisers also pick up the warfare link capabilities from commandships, so this could indicate that a T3 frigate sub could be a interdictor capability picked up from the destroyer class.

Before or after you looked at how much it would cost you?