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Aber Bishop
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Aber Bishop on 18/02/2008 20:23:57 Im a bit worried about my dps with my Tempest, Im using 6x 800mm Heavy Prototype I Repeating Siege Cannon/Phased Plasma L without any damage mods. Related skills are:
Minmatar Battleship: 4 Gunnery: 5 Large Projectile Turret: 4 Motion Prediction: 4 Rapid Firing: 5 Sharpshooter: 4 Surgical Strike: 4
My DPS in EFT is 291 with a Volley Damage of 1320. The other day I came across a Abaddon wich I only did 65~damage to. I've tried against other type of battleships where I was at optimal range and the other battleship was webbed, still I got around 60-80 ~damage.
Am I doing anything wrong? Or is this how Minmatar guns work?
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:31:00 -
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Are you fitting damage mods, drones, and missile launchers?
A max skilled character listing DPS will be using barrage, Hail or faction EMP to record damage. Lets use Barrage just because
Barrage: +10% raw dps over PP BS 5: +11.1% dps over BS4 Surgical Strike 5: +2.67% over SS4 Large Projectile Turret 5: 4.16% dps over LPT 5 Large AC Spec 5: +10% dps over spec 0
Totally gunnery DPS increase available 43.67%
DPS of 2/2/1 drones using thermal drones: +209 DPS of 2 seige launchers: About 70 DPS.
Total increase in DPS by fitting supplimentary dps and training skills to 5: 406.79. Which would put your final DPS at about 697. Which seems about right for a 0 damage mod barrage tempest.
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ThatCpp
Gallente Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:33:00 -
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You need at least 1 damage mod, preferably 2. Switch ammo to EMP, the only ammo worth using in pvp with auto cannons is the shortest range one.
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Aber Bishop
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong Are you fitting damage mods, drones, and missile launchers?
A max skilled character listing DPS will be using barrage, Hail or faction EMP to record damage. Lets use Barrage just because
Barrage: +10% raw dps over PP BS 5: +11.1% dps over BS4 Surgical Strike 5: +2.67% over SS4 Large Projectile Turret 5: 4.16% dps over LPT 5 Large AC Spec 5: +10% dps over spec 0
Totally gunnery DPS increase available 43.67%
DPS of 2/2/1 drones using thermal drones: +209 DPS of 2 seige launchers: About 70 DPS.
Total increase in DPS by fitting supplimentary dps and training skills to 5: 406.79. Which would put your final DPS at about 697. Which seems about right for a 0 damage mod barrage tempest.
Okey thanks, Im going to focus on my gunnery skills more, and maybe supplement with Missile skills.
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Aber Bishop
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: ThatCpp You need at least 1 damage mod, preferably 2. Switch ammo to EMP, the only ammo worth using in pvp with auto cannons is the shortest range one.
That would seriously gimp my tank too much, and allthough my current DPS makes me feel like a schoolgirl, I rather keep my ability to tank and surive.
But I'll switch to EMP, thanks for the tip.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Aber Bishop still I got around 60-80 ~damage.
First of all, what do you mean? Did you get that much per shot from each gun, per volley in total, per second in total?
Secondly, the ship you fire on has resistances. Say a shot from one of your guns does 100 hit points of damage, and you fire (and hit perfectly) against a ship that has 50% resistance against the type of damage used. That means you would only do 50 hitpoints of actual damage.
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Firkragg
PREDATORS OF DESTRUCTION
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:42:00 -
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Its the damage mods that are causing your low dps. Your actual skills arent terrible.
Wit max skills 6 of those 800mm do 314 dps.
with one damage mod that goes to 364
with two damage mods (these are t1 mods btw) it goes to 413
and with 3 it rises to 448 dps.
This dps is without adding in drone dps too.
In comparison with t2 fit a 800mm fit tempest with 3 damage mods does 835dps with Hail L
Thats something for you to aim for 
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Lena Kanto
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:43:00 -
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One T2 Gyrostab will give a 23% dps increase on projectile guns.
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Aber Bishop
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg Its the damage mods that are causing your low dps. Your actual skills arent terrible.
Wit max skills 6 of those 800mm do 314 dps.
with one damage mod that goes to 364
with two damage mods (these are t1 mods btw) it goes to 413
and with 3 it rises to 448 dps.
This dps is without adding in drone dps too.
In comparison with t2 fit a 800mm fit tempest with 3 damage mods does 835dps with Hail L
Thats something for you to aim for 
Hehe, I like the damage, but fitting gyros on my tempest would really wreck my tank.
My setup is as followed:
HIGH 6x 800mm Heavy Prototype I Repeating Siege Cannon
MED 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Stasis Webifier II 2x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I/800 chargers 100mn MicroWarpDive I
LOW Large 'Accomodation' Vestment Reconstructer I 1x Armor Thermic Hardener II 1x Armor Kinetic Hardener II 1x Armor Explosive Hardener II 2x EANM II
As you can tell, My priority is tank and cap, but I didnt think my damage would be that bad. You think I should drop a EANM and put on a gyro II instead?
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Cavazos
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:52:00 -
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it could be ammo cus my tempest roughly does 700-800 damage a pop doesnt really matter wat ship and thats with EMP my friend has a Machariel he does 1200 on average and 4000 on wrecking hits but he uses faction artillerys at 40-60km which is jus insane damage
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Aber Bishop
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Cavazos it could be ammo cus my tempest roughly does 700-800 damage a pop doesnt really matter wat ship and thats with EMP my friend has a Machariel he does 1200 on average and 4000 on wrecking hits but he uses faction artillerys at 40-60km which is jus insane damage
Are you using Artillery? Because Im using Autocannons :)
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ThatCpp
Gallente Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:00:00 -
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Your resistances are getting stacking nerfed very badly. I would take both EANM's off and use a DCU II and gyrostab II. There's also no point in tanking a little bit more if your guns are just going to tickle your opponent since you will lose eventually, even if you do last 30s more.
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Cavazos
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:08:00 -
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yea im using autocannons aber well at least i think i havent played in 4 months but yea it was a damage setup haha i was blastin the heck out of a raven with it but the raven had all large shield extender II's in mids and he only attacked wen i didnt have a hardner fitted lol if i woulda fitted 1 he wouldnt of shot me and he woulda docked at hald shield but then i docked back up for pure damage output and was doin around 1200 every shot he he fired back and got me to half armor cus i had pure damage setup and he was callin me names and sayin "now wat whos the sissy now lol and everyone in system said dude he jus docked to refit u docked for 30 mins and came back out hahahha i was crying from laughin so hard i think
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Firkragg
PREDATORS OF DESTRUCTION
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Firkragg on 18/02/2008 21:08:49
Originally by: Aber Bishop
Originally by: Firkragg Its the damage mods that are causing your low dps. Your actual skills arent terrible.
Wit max skills 6 of those 800mm do 314 dps.
with one damage mod that goes to 364
with two damage mods (these are t1 mods btw) it goes to 413
and with 3 it rises to 448 dps.
This dps is without adding in drone dps too.
In comparison with t2 fit a 800mm fit tempest with 3 damage mods does 835dps with Hail L
Thats something for you to aim for 
Hehe, I like the damage, but fitting gyros on my tempest would really wreck my tank.
My setup is as followed:
HIGH 6x 800mm Heavy Prototype I Repeating Siege Cannon
MED 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Stasis Webifier II 2x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I/800 chargers 100mn MicroWarpDive I
LOW Large 'Accomodation' Vestment Reconstructer I 1x Armor Thermic Hardener II 1x Armor Kinetic Hardener II 1x Armor Explosive Hardener II 2x EANM II
As you can tell, My priority is tank and cap, but I didnt think my damage would be that bad. You think I should drop a EANM and put on a gyro II instead?
Ok i recommend dropping an EANM for a gyrostab then. Because your EANMs will stack with eachother as well as your active hardners the second EANMs gonna be a bit useless.
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Aber Bishop
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Posted - 2008.02.18 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg Edited by: Firkragg on 18/02/2008 21:08:49
Originally by: Aber Bishop
Originally by: Firkragg Its the damage mods that are causing your low dps. Your actual skills arent terrible.
Wit max skills 6 of those 800mm do 314 dps.
with one damage mod that goes to 364
with two damage mods (these are t1 mods btw) it goes to 413
and with 3 it rises to 448 dps.
This dps is without adding in drone dps too.
In comparison with t2 fit a 800mm fit tempest with 3 damage mods does 835dps with Hail L
Thats something for you to aim for 
Hehe, I like the damage, but fitting gyros on my tempest would really wreck my tank.
My setup is as followed:
HIGH 6x 800mm Heavy Prototype I Repeating Siege Cannon
MED 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Stasis Webifier II 2x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I/800 chargers 100mn MicroWarpDive I
LOW Large 'Accomodation' Vestment Reconstructer I 1x Armor Thermic Hardener II 1x Armor Kinetic Hardener II 1x Armor Explosive Hardener II 2x EANM II
As you can tell, My priority is tank and cap, but I didnt think my damage would be that bad. You think I should drop a EANM and put on a gyro II instead?
Ok i recommend dropping an EANM for a gyrostab then. Because your EANMs will stack with eachother as well as your active hardners the second EANMs gonna be a bit useless.
When I saw my DPS with a gyro II, I couldnt stop myself so I took off the other EANM and put on another gyro II. I dont feel like a schoolgirl anymore
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Rajere
No Trademark Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:03:00 -
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for a gank tempest try this:
6x 800mm IIs, 2x Siege Use faction ammo, Republic EMP and caldari navy torps
100mn mwd II, point, web, 2x LSE IIs
DCII, 3x Gyro IIs, 2x TE IIs
800+ DPS depending on skills and drones, this is with 5x Hammerhead IIs and a spare flight of light ECM drones.
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Natural High
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Posted - 2008.02.18 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aber Bishop
Originally by: Firkragg Edited by: Firkragg on 18/02/2008 21:08:49
Originally by: Aber Bishop
Originally by: Firkragg Its the damage mods that are causing your low dps. Your actual skills arent terrible.
Wit max skills 6 of those 800mm do 314 dps.
with one damage mod that goes to 364
with two damage mods (these are t1 mods btw) it goes to 413
and with 3 it rises to 448 dps.
This dps is without adding in drone dps too.
In comparison with t2 fit a 800mm fit tempest with 3 damage mods does 835dps with Hail L
Thats something for you to aim for 
Hehe, I like the damage, but fitting gyros on my tempest would really wreck my tank.
My setup is as followed:
HIGH 6x 800mm Heavy Prototype I Repeating Siege Cannon
MED 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Stasis Webifier II 2x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I/800 chargers 100mn MicroWarpDive I
LOW Large 'Accomodation' Vestment Reconstructer I 1x Armor Thermic Hardener II 1x Armor Kinetic Hardener II 1x Armor Explosive Hardener II 2x EANM II
As you can tell, My priority is tank and cap, but I didnt think my damage would be that bad. You think I should drop a EANM and put on a gyro II instead?
Ok i recommend dropping an EANM for a gyrostab then. Because your EANMs will stack with eachother as well as your active hardners the second EANMs gonna be a bit useless.
When I saw my DPS with a gyro II, I couldnt stop myself so I took off the other EANM and put on another gyro II. I dont feel like a schoolgirl anymore
Now alls you need is t2 large guns and t2 drones and youll be a manly man in your tempest 
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Temp Boi
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cavazos yea im using autocannons aber well at least i think i havent played in 4 months but yea it was a damage setup haha i was blastin the heck out of a raven with it but the raven had all large shield extender II's in mids and he only attacked wen i didnt have a hardner fitted lol if i woulda fitted 1 he wouldnt of shot me and he woulda docked at hald shield but then i docked back up for pure damage output and was doin around 1200 every shot he he fired back and got me to half armor cus i had pure damage setup and he was callin me names and sayin "now wat whos the sissy now lol and everyone in system said dude he jus docked to refit u docked for 30 mins and came back out hahahha i was crying from laughin so hard i think
No.
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