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Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY
Tribal Conclave
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Posted - 2012.02.17 02:34:00 -
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Well... how a rating bot works:
Its jump from belt to belt killing all rats... and when someone gets into the system, its warp to a safe-spot and cloaks.... when everyone leaves its resume the rating...
Solution: Cloak hunter ship. So players would be able to hunt down the Bot and kill it, this will make the actual bot system useless.... ( This will also fix the afk cloacker issue that makes so many ppl stop playing eve... )
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mxzf
Shovel Bros
647
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:09:00 -
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Exactly how many people have quit Eve because of AFK Cloakers who can't actually do anything to them? Please provide a fairly accurate statistic and verifiable source(s) for said statistic. |
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
39
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:09:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Exactly how many people have quit Eve because of AFK Cloakers who can't actually do anything to them? Please provide a fairly accurate statistic and verifiable source(s) for said statistic.
have to be dumb to quit lol. I liked these for this very reason. Scared off people for hours so when I logged in it was first crack at belt system not wrecked by tards breaking chains if any there. If nice I might tell someone it was a known harmless cloaky. If a guy was an ass though I can be real good at keeping a secret  .
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Tinu Moorhsum
Royal Scientific Research Enterprise
29
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:12:00 -
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Alx Warlord wrote:Well... how a rating bot works:
Its jump from belt to belt killing all rats... and when someone gets into the system, its warp to a safe-spot and cloaks.... when everyone leaves its resume the rating...
Solution: Cloak hunter ship. So players would be able to hunt down the Bot and kill it, this will make the actual bot system useless.... ( This will also fix the afk cloacker issue that makes so many ppl stop playing eve... )
Last time I can remember going bot hunting most bots still didn't know how to get out of bubbles. To catch them we just anchored a bubble 100km off the second belt from the direction of the first one and waited outside the gate for 10 min. I don't know if the bots are any smarter now then when we did this but give it a go. It's good for the LOLs.
Now with Dotlan as a tool it's not even hard to know where to look for them. Just look for systems with big blocks of rat kills and low numbers of jumps. For an example of the pattern you're looking for check 9CK-KZ ..... Huge consistent numbers of rat kills for 24 hours with nobody coming or going out of the system. Then 1 ship kill 24 hours ago followed by no ratting, a few jumps and the same pattern restarting. Nothing could be more obvious.
Frankly, it surprises me the CCP doesn't do any kind of data mining along these lines. A few simply queries would give them a short list of the worst offenders.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2106
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:13:00 -
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you don't introduce game mechanics to enforce policy
yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Tinu Moorhsum
Royal Scientific Research Enterprise
29
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Posted - 2012.02.17 10:22:00 -
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In fact, for CCP's benefit, a few clicks on dotlan reveals a few other systems just in the Deklein region that they should visit some time. All of them show the same pattern I described above.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/33RB-O
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/UEJX-G
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/ZZZR-5
And to be clear, I"m not trying to pick on Goons, I just selected a random region on Dotlan. I'm sure none of the well anchored 0.0 alliances are any better.
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Solinuas
Viziam
Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2012.02.17 11:20:00 -
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Dont most bot programs work by automatically moving your mouse around to click various things, (at least mining ones do) if so, couldnt you add somethiing that monitors click location on anyone the is a bot, and if it is EXACTLY identical for even 5 minutes, its rather obvious that its a bot (or a repeating pattern) |
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
39
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Posted - 2012.02.17 12:25:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Frankly, it surprises me the CCP doesn't do any kind of data mining along these lines. A few simply queries would give them a short list of the worst offenders.
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I think CCP tries to stay clear of this. SOme offend more than others and there is the risk of favoritism. Usually when they step in crap rolls down hill fast or becomes ugly caod stuff at any rate. Target goons, they'll say wtf, why not RDF. Target RDF, they'll say why not goons. Target goons and RDF, they'll both say why not, hell, test.
Then they'd also have whines of fix empire botting as well which can be harder.
Well that andit provides lol kills for bot hunters so may leave them on the server for that.. Saw some guy posted his killboards before the mods woke up and did the usual remove link bit. Guy went to town in AAA citizen space over a year ago iirc. Lots of solo bs kills, mostly ratting ravens. Did this for like a couple of days iirc.
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Tinu Moorhsum
Royal Scientific Research Enterprise
29
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Posted - 2012.02.17 13:00:00 -
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Misanthra wrote:
I think CCP tries to stay clear of this. SOme offend more than others and there is the risk of favoritism. Usually when they step in crap rolls down hill fast or becomes ugly caod stuff at any rate. Target goons, they'll say wtf, why not RDF. Target RDF, they'll say why not goons. Target goons and RDF, they'll both say why not, hell, test.
Then they'd also have whines of fix empire botting as well which can be harder.
Well that andit provides lol kills for bot hunters so may leave them on the server for that.. Saw some guy posted his killboards before the mods woke up and did the usual remove link bit. Guy went to town in AAA citizen space over a year ago iirc. Lots of solo bs kills, mostly ratting ravens. Did this for like a couple of days iirc.
Meh. I think CCP has a vested interest in botting and actually only pretend to be interested in fighting it. In high-sec, bot mining keeps mineral prices down by flooding the market with minerals and therefore the economy, which has its foundations in the mineral market, remains (artificially) stable.
Basically, it helps to offset the inflationary effects of other isk faucets, like incursions, that create severely unbalanced isk per risk-hour. We're seeing inflation in EVE but as long as legions of high-sec veldspar miners keep the price of trit down then it has a positive kick-back for all of us. I think CCP understands this and lets as much of it slip through the fingers as they can without looking like they intended to do so.
In Null sec you have 2 flavours. The drone Russians who RMT on a massive scale and create most of their supercaps from botted minerals, and the Goons... many members of which have more money than God because CCP only responds to *reported* botters who don't get reported in Goon space because they are hard to reach and identify. The same used to be true of the NC who sold a lot of supers to the DRF and then had to watch how those same supers were shoved down their collective throat.
I think the 0.0 bots are of absoluetly no consequence to CCP because CCP's business model revolves around keeping carebears playing the game. A small percentage of players actually play the 0.0 game and as long as the Goons ability to make isk and buy the really expensive ships is *about* equal the the DRF's ability to grind rats and make them ... they must be assuming that the whole bot-vs-bot game will cancel out.
but it won't... because (super)caps are currently being created at a much faster rate than they are being destroyed. I suspect that in a couple of years time the 0.0 game will become more or less unplayable at which point CCP will introduce something to make (super)caps a dead end weapon. At this point in time I can't see any other future, actually.
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TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2012.02.17 13:41:00 -
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posting in a "im terrified of a guy whos AFK" thread |
Griptus
United Coalitions
ZADA ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2012.02.17 14:09:00 -
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You said bots warp to safe spot and then cloak when someone enters system. How then does the bot see who's in system? Could it have something to do with local chat? Instead of defeating cloaks, best solution is to not show anyone in local unless they say something. This should give you a fair chance to probe them down and drop the hammer, but without making it impossible for real players to evade you intelligently. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
7347
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Posted - 2012.02.17 14:40:00 -
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Andski wrote:you don't introduce game mechanics to enforce policy This.
Ridiculous premiss for an idea.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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