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Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.20 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Leviathan9 on 20/02/2008 13:00:25 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 20/02/2008 12:59:40 Delete this post please accidental. (Clicked quote instead of edit last post sorry CCP) ----------------------------
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Cpt Branko
Surge. Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.20 13:05:00 -
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Seriously, now, jeavy drones are BS-sized weapons, and therefore imbalanced to have on cruisers. I mean, really. However - a simple fix resolves the problem - reduce BS dronebays to 20m3 max and now they're cruiser-sized weapons and EvE is fine and balanced again! Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.20 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Seriously, now, jeavy drones are BS-sized weapons, and therefore imbalanced to have on cruisers. I mean, really. However - a simple fix resolves the problem - reduce BS dronebays to 20m3 max and now they're cruiser-sized weapons and EvE is fine and balanced again!
lol but what about our poor domi and mega?? =( They need they're cruiser size weapons ----------------------------
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Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2008.02.20 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Randgris please ccp
- fix heavy drones on cruiser ships! - fix large shield extenders on cruiser ships - fix cruise missiles on frigate ships (covops) - fix large plates on cruiser ships - fix large armor reps on cruiser ships (logistics) - fix large shield reps on cruiser ships - fix large energy transfers on cruiser ships
this insanity has to stop! its game-breaking!
lol
Screw the all that stuff, CCP... his face... fix it
Originally by: High Sierra note to self: dont ever say anything to anyone on the internet about anything ever again.
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Arazel Chainfire
United System's Commonwealth
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Posted - 2008.02.20 15:11:00 -
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Ok, so the people we need to kill from this post alone so far are
Lugs Brannigan Aziraphael Cpt Branko (not because he agrees that heavy drones are battleship sized weapons, instead, he needs to be blown up for his own good) Lavraen AntonioBanderas
From other posts L70Rouge - not only does he believe this bull****... but he's an obvious WOW player and should just be blown up on principle ... err... i'm to lazy to make a bigger hitlist...
So, now its time for me to find where they all are and what they fly so I can go kill them. Hello nice locater agent
Oh, and if anyone has any suggestions for what would be a good ship to use against them, please note it so that there is a higher likelyhood that they're the one's who are dying, and not me
-Arazel
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Julius Romanus
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.20 18:12:00 -
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Drones do not have a specific class size. Anything that has the 25 bandwidth can field an Ogre if it so wishes.
However the ability to field 5 of them can lead to balance issues. See Myrm.
I dont really have a problem with the ishtar...the demios would worry me more showing up on scan. At least with the ogre's you have the vague possibility of kiting/killing them =P
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.02.20 18:34:00 -
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That is an Ogre II, a battleship-sized drone used by overpowered Gallente cruisers.
__________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Arazel Chainfire
United System's Commonwealth
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Posted - 2008.02.20 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
That is an Ogre II, a battleship-sized drone used by overpowered Gallente cruisers.
Omarvelous... you have just made it to the top of my hitlist
-Arazel
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Brutoth Tain
Independant Recon and Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2008.02.20 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Brutoth Tain on 20/02/2008 21:04:40 On the subject of drones... Now the Omen and Moa are finally getting a 5th turret I think they should get a 50m3 drone bay to. ---------------------------------------------- Piebears <3 Risk Vs Reward.......You take the risk they take the reward. |
Mean Jeebus
Regicidal Maniacs
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Posted - 2008.02.20 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Arazel Chainfire Edited by: Arazel Chainfire on 19/02/2008 21:25:35 No, i'm not going to quit eve - it isn't that big a deal for me, more an extreme frustration ...
This conflicting statement really made me chuckle.
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente Anqara Tech
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Posted - 2008.02.20 23:53:00 -
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And there I was thinking that Fighters were frigate sized drones. And that the other drones were smaller. Lots smaller.
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doctorstupid2
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Romanus Drones do not have a specific class size. Anything that has the 25 bandwidth can field an Ogre if it so wishes.
However the ability to field 5 of them can lead to balance issues. See Myrm.
I dont really have a problem with the ishtar...the demios would worry me more showing up on scan. At least with the ogre's you have the vague possibility of kiting/killing them =P
Last I checked the myrm has 6 turret slots, capable of 730dps with very good skills and heavy electron II's (navy antimatter) (note that this is creeping into ion astarte range). Ishtar, knowing that any heavy electron fits are EXTREMELY rare because they border on impossible to fit, does 475 with max skills from a flight of ogre II's. Ohnoes it has 5 heavy drones? It's easily matched, and even out-damaged, by damn near any other HAC.
And until I can start shooting the weapons off other HAC's, assuming the weapons haven't been left behind in warp already or are simply nonresponsive for reason that have yet to be determined, one cannot possibly argue that 5 heavy drones in a cruiser is out of line.
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Oregon sinful
The Ankou The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: doctorstupid2
Originally by: Julius Romanus Drones do not have a specific class size. Anything that has the 25 bandwidth can field an Ogre if it so wishes.
However the ability to field 5 of them can lead to balance issues. See Myrm.
I dont really have a problem with the ishtar...the demios would worry me more showing up on scan. At least with the ogre's you have the vague possibility of kiting/killing them =P
Last I checked the myrm has 6 turret slots, capable of 730dps with very good skills and heavy electron II's (navy antimatter) (note that this is creeping into ion astarte range). Ishtar, knowing that any heavy electron fits are EXTREMELY rare because they border on impossible to fit, does 475 with max skills from a flight of ogre II's. Ohnoes it has 5 heavy drones? It's easily matched, and even out-damaged, by damn near any other HAC.
And until I can start shooting the weapons off other HAC's, assuming the weapons haven't been left behind in warp already or are simply nonresponsive for reason that have yet to be determined, one cannot possibly argue that 5 heavy drones in a cruiser is out of line.
^^This.
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PsyBoRG
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Posted - 2008.02.21 14:23:00 -
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im getting tired of out running an ishtars large weapons in my vaga could u please nerf those awesome T2 drones to only fit in a bs actualy infact maybe a carrier would be more balanced for drones also please delete all T2 drones except amarr since they are way to overpowered
oh and while im at it allready remove the drone bay of following ships for futher balance so they are more in line with the rest of the ships in eve however the bonus's on all ships would be broken then so i would suggest we add a 5% to hull hp bonus to each of them to keep things balanced
1.Ishkur 2.Ishtar 3.Dominix 4.Vexor
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DEATHsyphon
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.21 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: PsyBoRG im getting tired of out running an ishtars large weapons in my vaga could u please nerf those awesome T2 drones to only fit in a bs actualy infact maybe a carrier would be more balanced for drones also please delete all T2 drones except amarr since they are way to overpowered
oh and while im at it allready remove the drone bay of following ships for futher balance so they are more in line with the rest of the ships in eve however the bonus's on all ships would be broken then so i would suggest we add a 5% to hull hp bonus to each of them to keep things balanced
1.Ishkur 2.Ishtar 3.Dominix 4.Vexor
LOLZ, and while your at it completely omit the description for gallente being major drone users -------------------- I'm not not going to pod you! |
Lavraen
Minmatar Black Podding
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Posted - 2008.02.25 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Leviathan9 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 20/02/2008 12:59:55
Originally by: Lavraen 5 heavy drones (battleship size weapons) from a cruiser? if that's not overpowered
Isn't it because Heavy drones are battleship sized weapons?
And also, you know those heavy drones? They are battleship sized weapons. I'm off to the market to buy the heavy drones, you know the overpowered on a cruiser battleship sized weapons.
Anyway , get used to Ogres, because when you quit Eve you'll only have to deal with them in WoW
Errr since when have drones sizes been classed to different ship classes? Your speaking outta your a$$ mate. Also you got to realise the ONLY cruiser sized ship that can carry 5 heavy drones is the Ishtar, which it is supposed to be able to do since that is its main offense. BS sized weapons my a$$. Also to reinforce my point about drones being classed to different ships, if they were CCP would of made it pretty much impossible to used on any other class of ship.
Yeah it's called sarcasm mate... Read it again. Lavraen |
Lavraen
Minmatar Black Podding
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Posted - 2008.02.25 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Arazel Chainfire Ok, so the people we need to kill from this post alone so far are
Lugs Brannigan Aziraphael Cpt Branko (not because he agrees that heavy drones are battleship sized weapons, instead, he needs to be blown up for his own good) Lavraen AntonioBanderas
From other posts L70Rouge - not only does he believe this bull****... but he's an obvious WOW player and should just be blown up on principle ... err... i'm to lazy to make a bigger hitlist...
So, now its time for me to find where they all are and what they fly so I can go kill them. Hello nice locater agent
Oh, and if anyone has any suggestions for what would be a good ship to use against them, please note it so that there is a higher likelyhood that they're the one's who are dying, and not me
-Arazel
I bet you're American too!
*bites knuckles*
I'll be putting /sarcasm on and /sarcasm off in my posts now Lavraen |
MirrorGod
Heretic Army The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.25 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lavraen 5 heavy drones (battleship size weapons) from a cruiser? if that's not overpowered
Isn't it because Heavy drones are battleship sized weapons?
And also, you know those heavy drones? They are battleship sized weapons. I'm off to the market to buy the heavy drones, you know the overpowered on a cruiser battleship sized weapons.
Anyway , get used to Ogres, because when you quit Eve you'll only have to deal with them in WoW
This is a cruiser...THIS is the ship that can use Heavy Drones, as it should. So shaddup
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Natural High
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Posted - 2008.02.25 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: PsyBoRG im getting tired of out running an ishtars large weapons in my vaga could u please nerf those awesome T2 drones to only fit in a bs actualy infact maybe a carrier would be more balanced for drones also please delete all T2 drones except amarr since they are way to overpowered
oh and while im at it allready remove the drone bay of following ships for futher balance so they are more in line with the rest of the ships in eve however the bonus's on all ships would be broken then so i would suggest we add a 5% to hull hp bonus to each of them to keep things balanced
1.Ishkur 2.Ishtar 3.Dominix 4.Vexor
You cant have a hull bonus on those because that would mean they would have more hull then other ships! That wont be fair at all! It must instead have no bonuses at all so that it wont be better then the other ships ^_^
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Peter Powers
Master Miners Intruders.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Arazel Chainfire
Logic and reason appear to have no effect upon these people - therefore, i have to resort to other means. Lets hear your ideas for a proper punishment.
-Arazel
How about paying some mercs? They can Kill those who oppose your opinion, and proof you wrong at once :)
Anyways, to be serious:
Try to have an open mind for a moment and look at the ships using drones. frigattes hardly have enough space/bandwidth to field a full set of light drones - and in no circumstances enough to field mediums, so i think we can all agree that small drones are frigatte weapons. (this does not mean that they have guns which have the same size as frigatte guns)
Now lets have a look - most cruisers can field a partial set of medium drones, drone specialised ships can field a full set of those - so i think its safe to say medium drones are for cruiser/battlecruiser sized ships - and therefor a cruiser sized weapon. (with one Exception: The Ishtar can field a full set of Heavy Drones - but then the Ishtar is a very specialised ship - if you have a look at stealth bombers you will agree that they can field cruise missiles - and that doesnt make cruise missiles frigatte sized weapons, their still mainly for battleships).
now have a look at battleships: battleships can often field a full set of medium or a partial set of heavy drones - except the gallentean one which are specialised - they can field a complete set of heavies - alone that means their clearly meant for beeing used with battleships.
Now you can insist on your opinion - and thats fine with me, everyone can have his own mind, however that doesnt mean that everyone has to agree with you. Show some tolerance.
For your troll-ish comment about "the amarr whine crowd" - im flying amarr for a 3/4 year now, and in my opinion they are just fine.
Best regards, Peter Powers
PS: Amarr ftw.
I love CCP Morpheus<3 xXx CCP Morpheus xXx <3
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Ayari
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
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Posted - 2008.02.26 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa -- Note how I didn't mention the Eos. Why? Because it's barely used anymore, now that CCP "balanced" it. They balanced it so much it isn't worthy of really even flying anymore.
Way to go, CCP.
Eos was nerfed because it did a *lot* more damage than the Damnation, Vulture and Claymore. People were using them in preference to the Astarte in PvP.
Admittedly, the gang link bonus the Eos has is pretty poor, so it's understandable. What they need to do now is change the Eos gang link bonus to something else, so it's useful in the role it was intended for.
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Lavraen
Minmatar Black Podding
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Posted - 2008.02.26 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: MirrorGod
Originally by: Lavraen 5 heavy drones (battleship size weapons) from a cruiser? if that's not overpowered
Isn't it because Heavy drones are battleship sized weapons?
And also, you know those heavy drones? They are battleship sized weapons. I'm off to the market to buy the heavy drones, you know the overpowered on a cruiser battleship sized weapons.
Anyway , get used to Ogres, because when you quit Eve you'll only have to deal with them in WoW
This is a cruiser...THIS is the ship that can use Heavy Drones, as it should. So shaddup
Click on the market Look in skills folder Select Social Buy the Sarcasm skill Train to Level I Lavraen |
C0NRAD
21st Raiders Regiment
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Posted - 2008.02.26 12:06:00 -
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i have to agree arazel, that plenty of people seem to have no idea how drones work. I personally have t2 fit geddon but i havn;t used heavy drones in it for a long time.
But in all honesty just leave them be, some people will always belive what they think is right and then forum whine when they learn there not the hardway.
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