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Arazel Chainfire
United System's Commonwealth
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Posted - 2008.02.19 20:58:00 -
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Ok, I do most of my forum reading in the ships and modules forum - sometimes there is even something useful to be said.
However, one of my biggest gripes are the people who say
Originally by: ... if anything the ship needs to be nerfed to hell. 5 heavy drones (battleship size weapons) from a cruiser? if that's not overpowered...
A couple months ago, i even got so annoyed that I wrote up a post about what exactly drones are used for, and what their different sizes reflect. As this particular quote came from a post just last week (and its not the only one, just one from a page I happened to have open), i can probably say with relative ease that my post had absolutely no effect at all.
Because of my increasing frustration, I ask you - members of the crime and punishment forum, what you would think to be a proper method of expressing my frustration. I am very tempted to put a bounty out (for repeated killing and podding, followed by a convo of "heavy drones are not battleship sized weapons"... this would be especially funny if they were killed by heavy drones, but...) of the idiots who say this, but I have a feeling that if I did, i would run out of isk before the end of the first day.
Logic and reason appear to have no effect upon these people - therefore, i have to resort to other means. Lets hear your ideas for a proper punishment.
-Arazel
(P.S. I notice that many people who say this are also part of the amaar whine crowd... - an added reason to pod their asses)
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Tchell Dahhn
Amarr Leet Fleet R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Arazel Chainfire Because of my increasing frustration, I ask you - members of the crime and punishment forum, what you would think to be a proper method of expressing my frustration?
Say these two things:
1. Quit EvE. 2. Can I have your stuff?
If you don't like that, DO the first thing... ...and, can I have your stuff?

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Tha Pusher
III ELEMENTS VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:17:00 -
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let it go and move on with your life?
EVE!! It's like a party in your mouth, and everyone's throwing up
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Arazel Chainfire
United System's Commonwealth
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: Arazel Chainfire on 19/02/2008 21:25:35 No, i'm not going to quit eve - it isn't that big a deal for me, more an extreme frustration (as an engineer, i really like logic and reason... and people who don't even consider it are annoying)
And most importantly - NO YOU CANNOT HAVE MY STUFF
Though i may throw some of it your way next time i go out to pvp - i might head out your way . Do you think an ishtar would be a good ship to use? Or would a domi or myrm be better?
-Arazel
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Donovan Killar
Caldari Darkness Inc. Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:39:00 -
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If it is Logic you are looking for you have gone far far from where you want to be. This is C&P second probubly only to CAOD in insanity levels.
Also a large number of us are pirates...and have to deal with gate guns...thus consider drones more limited in usfulness by comparison to other wepon systems, and thus...couldn't much give a damn about what you are saying.
Also do not put bouties they are a flawed and useless tool that allows people to kill them self and make money on the deal...greeeaaat plan.
So instead do the following:
1) War dec them and handle it yourself 2) Hire mercs and have them handle it 3) Forulate better aguments on Ships and Moduals. 4) Remind me why I am posting in your thread again 5) Make little voodoo dolls of said people and poke them 6) Burn said voodoo dolls. 7) Clean up the ashes and put them in a small papper back. 8) Find away to transmint ashes into computer data 9) Eve mail said ashes to them. ... 1,302,381) Give up and move on. 1,302,382) Remmber what I said about insanity 
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Natural High
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:45:00 -
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The only forum with less logic then c+p would be caod. Youve come to the wrong place kind sir.
Also: Nuthin can be done about what others say...tho CCP listens and then swings the nerfbat cause whiners always get their way
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Tchell Dahhn
Amarr Leet Fleet R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.19 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Arazel Chainfire Though i may throw some of it your way next time i go out to pvp - i might head out your way .
I'm hanging out in either L4X-1V or Rancer currently. Let me know when you're coming by to deliver those ships, and I'll make some space in my cargobay for your corpse.

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Arazel Chainfire
United System's Commonwealth
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Posted - 2008.02.19 22:55:00 -
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Hey - I'm not asking for logic out of this forum, I'm asking it out of ships and modules. All I'm asking you happy pirates about is ways to express my frustration in a more personal manner (something I feel you all know about ).
And Tchell Dahhn, about what time are you online most of the time? I can't promise anything, but if you're on sometime in the 18 or so hours after downtime, I'm usually on off and on sometime in that time, with most of my action being in the last 2-4 hours of that time period. However, if there is another time that I can be sure of finding you, I'll try and make it on around then to give you the loot 
-Arazel
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sov68n
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.19 23:32:00 -
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The only way to deal with ignorant people is to educate them. If they refuse to listen, they are stubborn. The only way to deal with stubborn people is to pod them.
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doctorstupid2
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.19 23:47:00 -
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Quit being a crybaby because you're gonna get nerfed. OBVIOUSLY heavy drones are battleship-class weapons, because battleships have drone bays.
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Lugs Brannigan
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Posted - 2008.02.19 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: doctorstupid2 Quit being a crybaby because you're gonna get nerfed. OBVIOUSLY heavy drones are battleship-class weapons, because battleships have drone bays.
I agree with the stupid doctor on this one. The myrmidon was rightly nerfed, hopefully for next major patch they can reduce the Ishtars drone bandwith aslo. I mean battleship weapons on a bc is bad enough, but on a cruiser 
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Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2008.02.19 23:58:00 -
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OMG, I care so little I almost passed out
Originally by: High Sierra note to self: dont ever say anything to anyone on the internet about anything ever again.
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Misuto Horuda
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Posted - 2008.02.20 00:04:00 -
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Misuto stands idly and nods.
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Azirapheal
Amarr Altruism. Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.20 00:05:00 -
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you know, i can fit a battleship weapon to my harbing
just one though.
same goes for a torp launcher on a drake. entertaining but otherwise pointless
small gun = standards/rockets = light drone medium gun = heavies/HAM's = medium drone large gun = torps/cruise = heavy drone cap gun = citadel torps = fighters
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doctorstupid2
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.20 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lugs Brannigan
Originally by: doctorstupid2 Quit being a crybaby because you're gonna get nerfed. OBVIOUSLY heavy drones are battleship-class weapons, because battleships have drone bays.
I agree with the stupid doctor on this one. The myrmidon was rightly nerfed, hopefully for next major patch they can reduce the Ishtars drone bandwith aslo. I mean battleship weapons on a bc is bad enough, but on a cruiser 
Such beautiful satire, wasted on a nitwit 
Not one single thing about a heavy drone is battleship-size, you dolts. The 125 meter signature resolution and distinct lack of battleship-class damage output should make that apparent. OH GOD A HAC THAT DOES 475.2 DPS! TOTALLY OUT OF LINE!
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Arazel Chainfire
United System's Commonwealth
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Posted - 2008.02.20 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Azirapheal you know, i can fit a battleship weapon to my harbing
just one though.
same goes for a torp launcher on a drake. entertaining but otherwise pointless
small gun = standards/rockets = light drone medium gun = heavies/HAM's = medium drone large gun = torps/cruise = heavy drone cap gun = citadel torps = fighters
im sure you can see a natural progression here.
You forgot sentry drones
Look at it this way signature resolution small drone = 25 Small gun = 40 medium drone = 60 Medium gun = 125 heavy drone = 125 Large gun = 400 sentry drone = 400
Now tell me - do you see something similar here?
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Cpt Branko
Surge. Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.20 01:49:00 -
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If we drop BS dronebays to 20m3 bandwidth, heavy drones cease to be balance-breaking battleship class weapons and you can legitimately fit them on cruisers. That'd fix it.
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arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.20 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Arazel Chainfire ...as an engineer, i really like logic and reason...
And then join eve and experience how it is to play a game wich doesnt make any sense at all! Welcome!
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ThatCpp
Gallente Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2008.02.20 07:24:00 -
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The myrmidon had really good damage output cos it had 6 turrets in addition to enough low slots to fit magstabs and a pretty good tanking bonus to keep it alive. The Ishtar would barely do any damage if its bandwidth were to be nerfed.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.20 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Natural High The only forum with less logic then c+p would be caod. Youve come to the wrong place kind sir.
Have you ever been to features and ideas discussion?
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.20 11:04:00 -
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Just be happy with the knowledge they are noobs and never got to fly heavy swarm thoraxes
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.02.20 11:23:00 -
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This whole thread is a pile of bull****.
Drones have been whacked plenty over the head with Nerfs.
For ****'s sake, you have got to take some serious role playing into perspective AT SOME POINT.
The ISHTAR is a DRONE CARRIER. PERIOD. It NEEDS to use LOTS OF DRONES to be functional. It has a gimpy grid and high CPU base, so it can accommodate a copious amount of drones and assisted bandwidth.
The ISHKUR is an ASSAULT FRIGATE. It is supposed to BLOW UP OTHER FRIGATES. Three guns and a nos is going to be about as worthy as my flippin Tristan. Taking its bandwidth away would be like replacing someone's .38 with a BB gun.
The DOMINIX is a DRONE BATTLESHIP. It has hordes of drones at it's disposal and lots of space to organize different types (logistical, dps, EW). You can't touch the Dominix.
The MOROS is a OMGHOLY**** DREADNOUGHT. Repeat after me: DREADNOUGHT. It is SUPPOSED to do INSANE amounts of damage to things. Removing the 50% per level bonus would only **** off players because Hybrids are easily the most resisted damage type to players now because everyone HARDENS against them.
Finally, -pant- the Megathron. It has a huge drone bay, no drone bonuses, but has lots of guns. It is a very well rounded ship, and uses blasters, which traditionally the Dominix does not. So leave it alone, too.
The only thing I can finally say is drones are fair. They have their role as an extension of your ship. But a targetable one. Do not whack droneboats further with more nerfs because as they are they are becoming less and less used. Note how I didn't mention the Eos. Why? Because it's barely used anymore, now that CCP "balanced" it. They balanced it so much it isn't worthy of really even flying anymore.
Way to go, CCP.
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Lavraen
Minmatar Black Podding
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Posted - 2008.02.20 11:37:00 -
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5 heavy drones (battleship size weapons) from a cruiser? if that's not overpowered
Isn't it because Heavy drones are battleship sized weapons?
And also, you know those heavy drones? They are battleship sized weapons. I'm off to the market to buy the heavy drones, you know the overpowered on a cruiser battleship sized weapons.
Anyway , get used to Ogres, because when you quit Eve you'll only have to deal with them in WoW Lavraen |

Bobbeh
One Eyed Teddies
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Posted - 2008.02.20 11:38:00 -
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I only read the OP but... WTF? Don't you have anything else to do then to get upset by carebears who complain? Ive got the feeling that you think of yourself as THE man who understands all the game mechanics and is uber in general, eh?
If you wanna discuss the Ishtar make a topic in the ships section and argue with the people over there, and anyway, they are free to think whatever they want.
Let em say Thorax is overpowered because it looks like a ****, who cares? 
But meh, if you really feel like having to make them understand, you could also just hire us :P Taking Contracts
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AntonioBanderas
Empirius Enigmus Navy Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.20 11:41:00 -
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heavy drnes are battleship size weapons and should not be fitted on a(b)c sized hulls. Amen
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Bobbeh
One Eyed Teddies
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Posted - 2008.02.20 11:44:00 -
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Give the Ishtar much higher drone damage bonus and make it use medium drones?
Good with me, drones take too long to scoop and are too easy to shoot anyway :P Taking Contracts
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Randgris
Empirius Enigmus Navy Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.20 11:45:00 -
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please ccp
- fix heavy drones on cruiser ships! - fix large shield extenders on cruiser ships - fix cruise missiles on frigate ships (covops) - fix large plates on cruiser ships - fix large armor reps on cruiser ships (logistics) - fix large shield reps on cruiser ships - fix large energy transfers on cruiser ships
this insanity has to stop! its game-breaking!
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.02.20 11:52:00 -
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Can you really compare turrets and launchers to drones? 
All that really matters is that the efficiency of the ship is in line with its counterparts.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.02.20 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Melme Rahka Only problem is.... heavies are cruiser size weapons. Now if you talked about SENTRY drones, they are in fact battleship size weapons, and track as good .
This is true also.
If you ever took a second to turn on sound in EVE, you would notice Ogres fire heavy neutron blasters, not mega neutron blasters.
Hammerheads fire light neutron blasters, and hobgobs fire light electron blasters.
It falls in line.
Sentry drones fire 350mm rails? (I dunno, my game is broken for some reason regarding sounds).
But yeah, it's totally fair.
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Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.20 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Leviathan9 on 20/02/2008 12:59:55
Originally by: Lavraen 5 heavy drones (battleship size weapons) from a cruiser? if that's not overpowered
Isn't it because Heavy drones are battleship sized weapons?
And also, you know those heavy drones? They are battleship sized weapons. I'm off to the market to buy the heavy drones, you know the overpowered on a cruiser battleship sized weapons.
Anyway , get used to Ogres, because when you quit Eve you'll only have to deal with them in WoW
Errr since when have drones sizes been classed to different ship classes? Your speaking outta your a$$ mate. Also you got to realise the ONLY cruiser sized ship that can carry 5 heavy drones is the Ishtar, which it is supposed to be able to do since that is its main offense. BS sized weapons my a$$. Also to reinforce my point about drones being classed to different ships, if they were CCP would of made it pretty much impossible to used on any other class of ship. ----------------------------
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Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.20 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Leviathan9 on 20/02/2008 13:00:25 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 20/02/2008 12:59:40 Delete this post please accidental. (Clicked quote instead of edit last post sorry CCP) ----------------------------
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Cpt Branko
Surge. Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.20 13:05:00 -
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Seriously, now, jeavy drones are BS-sized weapons, and therefore imbalanced to have on cruisers. I mean, really. However - a simple fix resolves the problem - reduce BS dronebays to 20m3 max and now they're cruiser-sized weapons and EvE is fine and balanced again!  Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |

Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.20 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Seriously, now, jeavy drones are BS-sized weapons, and therefore imbalanced to have on cruisers. I mean, really. However - a simple fix resolves the problem - reduce BS dronebays to 20m3 max and now they're cruiser-sized weapons and EvE is fine and balanced again! 
lol but what about our poor domi and mega?? =( They need they're cruiser size weapons  ----------------------------
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Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2008.02.20 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Randgris please ccp
- fix heavy drones on cruiser ships! - fix large shield extenders on cruiser ships - fix cruise missiles on frigate ships (covops) - fix large plates on cruiser ships - fix large armor reps on cruiser ships (logistics) - fix large shield reps on cruiser ships - fix large energy transfers on cruiser ships
this insanity has to stop! its game-breaking!
lol
Screw the all that stuff, CCP... his face... fix it

Originally by: High Sierra note to self: dont ever say anything to anyone on the internet about anything ever again.
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Arazel Chainfire
United System's Commonwealth
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Posted - 2008.02.20 15:11:00 -
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Ok, so the people we need to kill from this post alone so far are
Lugs Brannigan Aziraphael Cpt Branko (not because he agrees that heavy drones are battleship sized weapons, instead, he needs to be blown up for his own good) Lavraen AntonioBanderas
From other posts L70Rouge - not only does he believe this bull****... but he's an obvious WOW player and should just be blown up on principle ... err... i'm to lazy to make a bigger hitlist...
So, now its time for me to find where they all are and what they fly so I can go kill them. Hello nice locater agent 
Oh, and if anyone has any suggestions for what would be a good ship to use against them, please note it so that there is a higher likelyhood that they're the one's who are dying, and not me 
-Arazel
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Julius Romanus
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.20 18:12:00 -
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Drones do not have a specific class size. Anything that has the 25 bandwidth can field an Ogre if it so wishes.
However the ability to field 5 of them can lead to balance issues. See Myrm.
I dont really have a problem with the ishtar...the demios would worry me more showing up on scan. At least with the ogre's you have the vague possibility of kiting/killing them =P
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.02.20 18:34:00 -
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That is an Ogre II, a battleship-sized drone used by overpowered Gallente cruisers.
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Arazel Chainfire
United System's Commonwealth
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Posted - 2008.02.20 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
That is an Ogre II, a battleship-sized drone used by overpowered Gallente cruisers.


Omarvelous... you have just made it to the top of my hitlist  
-Arazel
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Brutoth Tain
Independant Recon and Intelligence Agency
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Posted - 2008.02.20 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Brutoth Tain on 20/02/2008 21:04:40 On the subject of drones... Now the Omen and Moa are finally getting a 5th turret I think they should get a 50m3 drone bay to. ---------------------------------------------- Piebears <3 Risk Vs Reward.......You take the risk they take the reward. |

Mean Jeebus
Regicidal Maniacs
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Posted - 2008.02.20 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Arazel Chainfire Edited by: Arazel Chainfire on 19/02/2008 21:25:35 No, i'm not going to quit eve - it isn't that big a deal for me, more an extreme frustration ...
This conflicting statement really made me chuckle. 
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente Anqara Tech
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Posted - 2008.02.20 23:53:00 -
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And there I was thinking that Fighters were frigate sized drones. And that the other drones were smaller. Lots smaller.
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doctorstupid2
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Romanus Drones do not have a specific class size. Anything that has the 25 bandwidth can field an Ogre if it so wishes.
However the ability to field 5 of them can lead to balance issues. See Myrm.
I dont really have a problem with the ishtar...the demios would worry me more showing up on scan. At least with the ogre's you have the vague possibility of kiting/killing them =P
Last I checked the myrm has 6 turret slots, capable of 730dps with very good skills and heavy electron II's (navy antimatter) (note that this is creeping into ion astarte range). Ishtar, knowing that any heavy electron fits are EXTREMELY rare because they border on impossible to fit, does 475 with max skills from a flight of ogre II's. Ohnoes it has 5 heavy drones? It's easily matched, and even out-damaged, by damn near any other HAC.
And until I can start shooting the weapons off other HAC's, assuming the weapons haven't been left behind in warp already or are simply nonresponsive for reason that have yet to be determined, one cannot possibly argue that 5 heavy drones in a cruiser is out of line.
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Oregon sinful
The Ankou The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: doctorstupid2
Originally by: Julius Romanus Drones do not have a specific class size. Anything that has the 25 bandwidth can field an Ogre if it so wishes.
However the ability to field 5 of them can lead to balance issues. See Myrm.
I dont really have a problem with the ishtar...the demios would worry me more showing up on scan. At least with the ogre's you have the vague possibility of kiting/killing them =P
Last I checked the myrm has 6 turret slots, capable of 730dps with very good skills and heavy electron II's (navy antimatter) (note that this is creeping into ion astarte range). Ishtar, knowing that any heavy electron fits are EXTREMELY rare because they border on impossible to fit, does 475 with max skills from a flight of ogre II's. Ohnoes it has 5 heavy drones? It's easily matched, and even out-damaged, by damn near any other HAC.
And until I can start shooting the weapons off other HAC's, assuming the weapons haven't been left behind in warp already or are simply nonresponsive for reason that have yet to be determined, one cannot possibly argue that 5 heavy drones in a cruiser is out of line.
^^This.
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PsyBoRG
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Posted - 2008.02.21 14:23:00 -
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im getting tired of out running an ishtars large weapons in my vaga could u please nerf those awesome T2 drones to only fit in a bs actualy infact maybe a carrier would be more balanced for drones also please delete all T2 drones except amarr since they are way to overpowered
oh and while im at it allready remove the drone bay of following ships for futher balance so they are more in line with the rest of the ships in eve however the bonus's on all ships would be broken then so i would suggest we add a 5% to hull hp bonus to each of them to keep things balanced
1.Ishkur 2.Ishtar 3.Dominix 4.Vexor
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DEATHsyphon
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.21 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: PsyBoRG im getting tired of out running an ishtars large weapons in my vaga could u please nerf those awesome T2 drones to only fit in a bs actualy infact maybe a carrier would be more balanced for drones also please delete all T2 drones except amarr since they are way to overpowered
oh and while im at it allready remove the drone bay of following ships for futher balance so they are more in line with the rest of the ships in eve however the bonus's on all ships would be broken then so i would suggest we add a 5% to hull hp bonus to each of them to keep things balanced
1.Ishkur 2.Ishtar 3.Dominix 4.Vexor
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Lavraen
Minmatar Black Podding
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Posted - 2008.02.25 13:30:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Leviathan9 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 20/02/2008 12:59:55
Originally by: Lavraen 5 heavy drones (battleship size weapons) from a cruiser? if that's not overpowered
Isn't it because Heavy drones are battleship sized weapons?
And also, you know those heavy drones? They are battleship sized weapons. I'm off to the market to buy the heavy drones, you know the overpowered on a cruiser battleship sized weapons.
Anyway , get used to Ogres, because when you quit Eve you'll only have to deal with them in WoW
Errr since when have drones sizes been classed to different ship classes? Your speaking outta your a$$ mate. Also you got to realise the ONLY cruiser sized ship that can carry 5 heavy drones is the Ishtar, which it is supposed to be able to do since that is its main offense. BS sized weapons my a$$. Also to reinforce my point about drones being classed to different ships, if they were CCP would of made it pretty much impossible to used on any other class of ship.
Yeah it's called sarcasm mate... Read it again.  Lavraen |

Lavraen
Minmatar Black Podding
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Posted - 2008.02.25 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Arazel Chainfire Ok, so the people we need to kill from this post alone so far are
Lugs Brannigan Aziraphael Cpt Branko (not because he agrees that heavy drones are battleship sized weapons, instead, he needs to be blown up for his own good) Lavraen AntonioBanderas
From other posts L70Rouge - not only does he believe this bull****... but he's an obvious WOW player and should just be blown up on principle ... err... i'm to lazy to make a bigger hitlist...
So, now its time for me to find where they all are and what they fly so I can go kill them. Hello nice locater agent 
Oh, and if anyone has any suggestions for what would be a good ship to use against them, please note it so that there is a higher likelyhood that they're the one's who are dying, and not me 
-Arazel
I bet you're American too!
*bites knuckles*
I'll be putting /sarcasm on and /sarcasm off in my posts now Lavraen |

MirrorGod
Heretic Army The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.25 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lavraen 5 heavy drones (battleship size weapons) from a cruiser? if that's not overpowered
Isn't it because Heavy drones are battleship sized weapons?
And also, you know those heavy drones? They are battleship sized weapons. I'm off to the market to buy the heavy drones, you know the overpowered on a cruiser battleship sized weapons.
Anyway , get used to Ogres, because when you quit Eve you'll only have to deal with them in WoW
This is a cruiser...THIS is the ship that can use Heavy Drones, as it should. So shaddup
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Natural High
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Posted - 2008.02.25 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: PsyBoRG im getting tired of out running an ishtars large weapons in my vaga could u please nerf those awesome T2 drones to only fit in a bs actualy infact maybe a carrier would be more balanced for drones also please delete all T2 drones except amarr since they are way to overpowered
oh and while im at it allready remove the drone bay of following ships for futher balance so they are more in line with the rest of the ships in eve however the bonus's on all ships would be broken then so i would suggest we add a 5% to hull hp bonus to each of them to keep things balanced
1.Ishkur 2.Ishtar 3.Dominix 4.Vexor
You cant have a hull bonus on those because that would mean they would have more hull then other ships! That wont be fair at all! It must instead have no bonuses at all so that it wont be better then the other ships ^_^
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Peter Powers
Master Miners Intruders.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Arazel Chainfire
Logic and reason appear to have no effect upon these people - therefore, i have to resort to other means. Lets hear your ideas for a proper punishment.
-Arazel
How about paying some mercs? They can Kill those who oppose your opinion, and proof you wrong at once :)
Anyways, to be serious:
Try to have an open mind for a moment and look at the ships using drones. frigattes hardly have enough space/bandwidth to field a full set of light drones - and in no circumstances enough to field mediums, so i think we can all agree that small drones are frigatte weapons. (this does not mean that they have guns which have the same size as frigatte guns)
Now lets have a look - most cruisers can field a partial set of medium drones, drone specialised ships can field a full set of those - so i think its safe to say medium drones are for cruiser/battlecruiser sized ships - and therefor a cruiser sized weapon. (with one Exception: The Ishtar can field a full set of Heavy Drones - but then the Ishtar is a very specialised ship - if you have a look at stealth bombers you will agree that they can field cruise missiles - and that doesnt make cruise missiles frigatte sized weapons, their still mainly for battleships).
now have a look at battleships: battleships can often field a full set of medium or a partial set of heavy drones - except the gallentean one which are specialised - they can field a complete set of heavies - alone that means their clearly meant for beeing used with battleships.
Now you can insist on your opinion - and thats fine with me, everyone can have his own mind, however that doesnt mean that everyone has to agree with you. Show some tolerance.
For your troll-ish comment about "the amarr whine crowd" - im flying amarr for a 3/4 year now, and in my opinion they are just fine.
Best regards, Peter Powers
PS: Amarr ftw.
I love CCP Morpheus<3 xXx CCP Morpheus xXx <3
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Ayari
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
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Posted - 2008.02.26 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa -- Note how I didn't mention the Eos. Why? Because it's barely used anymore, now that CCP "balanced" it. They balanced it so much it isn't worthy of really even flying anymore.
Way to go, CCP.
Eos was nerfed because it did a *lot* more damage than the Damnation, Vulture and Claymore. People were using them in preference to the Astarte in PvP.
Admittedly, the gang link bonus the Eos has is pretty poor, so it's understandable. What they need to do now is change the Eos gang link bonus to something else, so it's useful in the role it was intended for.
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Lavraen
Minmatar Black Podding
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Posted - 2008.02.26 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: MirrorGod
Originally by: Lavraen 5 heavy drones (battleship size weapons) from a cruiser? if that's not overpowered
Isn't it because Heavy drones are battleship sized weapons?
And also, you know those heavy drones? They are battleship sized weapons. I'm off to the market to buy the heavy drones, you know the overpowered on a cruiser battleship sized weapons.
Anyway , get used to Ogres, because when you quit Eve you'll only have to deal with them in WoW
This is a cruiser...THIS is the ship that can use Heavy Drones, as it should. So shaddup
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C0NRAD
21st Raiders Regiment
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Posted - 2008.02.26 12:06:00 -
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i have to agree arazel, that plenty of people seem to have no idea how drones work. I personally have t2 fit geddon but i havn;t used heavy drones in it for a long time.
But in all honesty just leave them be, some people will always belive what they think is right and then forum whine when they learn there not the hardway.
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