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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2008.02.20 00:43:00 -
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I went into mining because I wanted to make enough ISK to buy time cards every month.
I trained up for a Hulk, I got tech 2 strips with tech 2 crystals, and I am mining plagioclase in empire space, because plagio is more abundant than omber here, and mexallon costs a lot more than tritanium, or pyrite...
I thought that once I'd get a hulk I'd be making at least 6mil ISK every two hours, but I don't even get anything close to that. I end up making about 8 trips to belt and back in these two hours. I am lucky if I make 3 million every two hours. This is pathetic...
My skills are as follows:
Exhumers IV
Plagio Processing IV
Refining IV
No mining foreman cause I mine solo, and I cant afford an alt.
I am not including the pre requisites for the Hulk because it's obvious I have those skills already.
Is mining really a waste of time in empire space as far as making at least 180mil a month is concerned? I remember when I was using a Bantam to mine I spoke to a guy who was mining in a Retriever. He told me he was making an easy 20mil every two hours mining Veldspar! Is it me who is doing something wrong here, or am I really wasting my time and I should have been running missions?
Anyone here mining in empire space? Any tips to increase profit? any advice?
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.02.20 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 20/02/2008 00:47:40
Get an alt/other player hauling back and forth for you.
Mining is very much a team game.
EDIT: Oh, if you really want to buy GTC's to maintain your game, get into industry and research. Any money you can make while not being at the keyboard is good money.
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Ragoul Gurmok
EVEREADY
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Posted - 2008.02.20 02:07:00 -
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mining is a good way to make isk even in empire you cna make decent money 3 mill in 2hrs is a can every 2 hrs. thats 3.2 trips to the belt and back. Plag is one of the better abundant ores in empire atm similar to kernite. ur stip miners with T2 crystals and drones shuld be pulling in around 4500m3 every 3 minutes so u fill ur hold in less then 2 cycles. thats 6 minutes. so u cna do rought 3.2 trips in 20 minutes so 20 mins for 3 mill ie 40 minutes for 6 mill. This includedes warping etc
Hulk can mine about 5 cans an hour without all the expensive implants etc if you just sit there and mine. So if u can do that so u should be making 14 mill easy an hour if u could just sit there and mine. Now that also assumes that ur selling for the best price you can and not just filling buy orders which can be as little as half of what the stuff is actually worth. Empire mining is about finding an empty system so otehrs do strip ur belts as strip miners strip belts literly.
If ya want to make real isk get into a corp or allience that is in 0.0 space. they can always use miners and industrilists. Mining crokite in 0.0 can net you around 47 mill an hour if u can sit there and mine. So 4 hrs of the month would be enough for a time code.
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Ragoul Gurmok
EVEREADY
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Posted - 2008.02.20 02:08:00 -
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Otehr thing is you cna join a corp or make a corp and recuit ppl to help you or recuit miners and haulers. Make some friends :P Its a MMO for a reason
Unfortunatly those that whine usually get their way, i swear its because of bad parenting.... |
Helen Hunts
Gallente
Red Dragon Mining inc
Red Dragon Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.20 02:41:00 -
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Okay...you're running under a few bad assumptions here.
Mex costs more than Trit only because Trit is plentiful everywhere. Plagio isn't bad money, but you can only get so much Mex out of Plagio.
333 Veld refines into 1000 Trit with perfect refine and no tax. Veld also takes up the least space per unit. Plagio is considerably more bulky, but the fewer minerals it yields pay more per unit. The effective ISK/volume doesn't vary too much, but it does vary.
I gather that you're refining your ore yourself. I'd also wager good money that you haven't run many missions either. Without good standings with the corp running the station, you'll lose 5% of the refined minerals to a refining tax. You might do a little better selling the ore intact. (Check the market carefully, then set up sell orders where necessary)
You're going solo. Since you're not working with a hauler partner/alt, you're also taking the sensible precaution of not jetcan mining. If you absolutly MUST mine solo, find a quiet system that hardly anyone visits and start jetcan mining. Fill a can or two and come back in a hauler. (Goes faster this way)
Might I recommend Haleada's Mining Guide, which is linked in the sticky-fied topics above.
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Pop da rats, make more rigs.
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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2008.02.20 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Ibex on 20/02/2008 03:33:51
Thanx for the input. I am in a good corp, and they do mine together. It's just that when they are offline or busy, I prefer to mine solo, and I expected to make a lot more than 3 mil in two hours. :( I guess what kills my profit is all that time wasted moving from one roid to another and trips to station and back. That plus the refining skill.
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Viilaa
Caldari
OH Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.20 03:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Sir Ibex
Edited by: Sir Ibex on 20/02/2008 03:33:51
Thanx for the input. I am in a good corp, and they do mine together. It's just that when they are offline or busy, I prefer to mine solo, and I expected to make a lot more than 3 mil in two hours. :( I guess what kills my profit is all that time wasted moving from one roid to another and trips to station and back. That plus the refining skill.
Not sure how you can make such little money mining Plagio. A corpmate and I mine Plagio (both in Hulks) and we make 8+ Million an hour each. We have 1 alt to haul for us and we keep his badger 2 pretty busy. The one key to mining in a hulk is to limit moving around as much as possible. Use a frigate (or other fast ship) to scout out good mining spots and bookmark them. Then all you have to do is warp in.. mine.. warp out.
Viilaa
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Grizlin Mink
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Posted - 2008.02.20 11:09:00 -
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If you are in a hulk, you should definately be making a GREAT deal more than 3 million in 2 hours.
despite plagio's price, don't be narrow minded. Mex can be pricey and profitable, but for most manufacturers, tritanium is the largest requirement of any your average mod or ship. If you are wasting time moving around from roid to roid... stop doing that. park yourself in a middlish part of a belt, and eat everything in range. Veldspar, plagio, scord, omber... if it is in the way, munch it into tiny pieces. All ore sells.
Also, how are you selling your minerals? Are you selling to standing buy orders where you mine it? If so, stop. Truck your ore out to a better area, or put up large standing sell orders in market hubs. A given system can only support so much supply of Mex. You mitigate that buy supplying all the basic mineral types. Also, If you only sell to standing orders, you WILL fall victum to people like me that puts up ENORMOUS (billions of isk) buy orders in station after station. I'll buy all your ore at low prices. If someone comes buy and outbids me on buy prices, I IMMEDIATELY fill thier entire buy order. They are happy because they get there ore. Guess who suffers? YOU DO. I am successfully able to push prices down by monopolizing the buy market. If you set up sell orders instead, YOU are the one that sell to those people who outbid my buy orders. Now, I don't really do this in Empire, because the key to success is commanding economics of scale, and even with many, many billions of isk in assets, I cannot control many ore markets in empire. There is just too much supply... But other people can! Patience is profit!
Also, as was already said. Mining is most efficient in teams. So you like to work solo. Fine, open another account to haul for you. You can easily run multiple accounts, at once. With a Hulk, you have several minutes or more (depending on how you are fit) to run a hualing account while your hold fills up. I have 5 active and seperate accounts... 1 Combat for body guarding as well as general killing, 3 Hulk pilot accounts, and one for science and trade. I don't typically run a hauler though. I can gang warp all three accounts to a belt and to stations while the all self haul 17K M3 per ship. I could be much more efficient running a seperate hauler and fitting for mining upgrades rather than cargo, but it is already annoying enough running 3 mining account simutaniously. Running a hauler on top of that would be, well, to much like work. As it is, I only have to pay attention to my mining accounts once every 10-15 minutes or so.
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cosmoray
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Posted - 2008.02.20 14:11:00 -
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If you are mining solo and are worried about can flippers, try ice mining.
Get a mack put ice harvester II's on, 2 cargo expander II's, you can mine 8 ice cubes about every 12 minutes. Reduces return trips to station.
Ice also has the bonus of making 1 bookmark so you don't have to move around the field changings roids all the time.
Ice mining can be done completely AFK. When I solo I get about 34 cubes an hour (including hauling to station). This is about 5 mill ISK per hr AFK.
I personally use an indy ALT and get around 44-46 cubes an hr (depending on gang bonus etc). I set an alarm clock and return every 12 minutes to move Ice into hauler, make about 6-7 million iSK an hr while doing other stuff!
I do suggest the Yeti implant which gives 3% bonus reduction in ice harvesting time, only about 10 mill ISK.
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cosmoray
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Posted - 2008.02.20 14:14:00 -
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Another essential point:
A good miner should have the following skills:
refining V
Refinery Efficiency IV
as an absolute minimum. With "roid" processing 1 gives a 100% yield.
Refine in a station with 6.7 standings for best yield.
I would recommend joining a corp also.
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Jadin Lazarin
Caldari
Best Path Inc.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.20 17:48:00 -
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Well since he says he has t2 crystals its pretty much a given that he has the refining skills high enough to cover his needs.
Mining upgrades 2 can help of course, and i strongly recommend you partner up with another player who doesn't mind hauling or join a corp that does mining ops as you will get much more use out of your toon especially with someone giving mining bonus.
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William Ortega
Grave Diggers
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.20 18:07:00 -
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Since you do not have access to an alt and since you're in hi sec (so tanking is not a problem), look into a fully cargo expanded version of a hulk. Since you're mining and hauling in your hulk (or an indy but the point is you're doing it on one account), a large portion of your time is wasted going to and from station, so...
Fit 2 Cargo optimization rigs + 2 cargo expanders II. Allows you to stay in the belt much longer and mimimize your trips to the station. You can train up mining upgrades and stick two of them in your low slots but I think having to do less trips will benefit you more.
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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.22 12:37:00 -
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Possibly worth mentioning; ore that only just appears at a given security level (for example omber in 0.8 IIRC)tends to be in very small amounts per roid. This matters because the lasers run for a full cycle, even if there is only 1 unit left in the roid. In other words, a very large proportion of a cycle might be wasted time.
Solutions? Pack a survey scanner and only mine roids with worthwhile amounts left; move to as low a security level as possible (rats in 0.5 are pretty easy to kill and tank even in a Covetor, never mind a Hulk); have a friend (maybe a noob?) with you to mine the nearly-empty roids.
Currently, I believe that plagioclase is the best high-sec ore.
Finally - to get most bang for your buck mine kernite in space near to Gallente space, ship it to level 4 mission hubs in said space and sell the ore instead of refining it. Mission runners in Gallente space are willing to pay 250 isk per unit for kernite, because there is a mission that requires it.
(Please note that this last bit may be out of date since Trinity.)
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.22 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Ibex
Edited by: Sir Ibex on 20/02/2008 03:33:51
Thanx for the input. I am in a good corp, and they do mine together. It's just that when they are offline or busy, I prefer to mine solo, and I expected to make a lot more than 3 mil in two hours. :( I guess what kills my profit is all that time wasted moving from one roid to another and trips to station and back. That plus the refining skill.
Plenty of good suggestions, now my 2 cents:
1) in your opening post you say 2 stripminers, you mean T2 stripminers? As the hulk has space for 3 stripminers;
2) try timing the time you need to reach station and return to your bookmark near the roid (you bookmark your position in the asteroid belt, right?). It is possible that you can get better results removing the mining upgrades and putting cargo extenders and the rig to get more cargo space too. You will get something like 18K m3, cutting heavily in the time lost for docking/undocking.
3) target 3 different asteroids with your stripminers, especially if you don't use a scanner. If the asteroid pop you lose part of the cicle on the stripminer that popped it and the compelte cycle of the other 2 stripminers if they all target the same asteroid.
4) yes the scanner now is very useful. You can select the asteroid you want to target from the scanner display, so you will have a good way to choose the best.
5) check the station where you refine, there are some low quality stations even in high sec.
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pinklol
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Posted - 2008.02.22 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
2) try timing the time you need to reach station and return to your bookmark near the roid (you bookmark your position in the asteroid belt, right?). It is possible that you can get better results removing the mining upgrades and putting cargo extenders and the rig to get more cargo space too. You will get something like 18K m3, cutting heavily in the time lost for docking/undocking.
Just to expand on this point slighty - if you stick a few GSCs in your cargo you could probably get around 21k m3. It's a little more micro management and make sure you still have plenty of m3 in your cargo outside the cans for incoming ore. |
zakina
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Posted - 2008.02.22 15:21:00 -
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for GSC my fave use is plotting out mining spots in 0.0
yeah I know not everyone has access to 0.0 mining all the time but GSC let you get a little slice of the pie.
first step, plot out your cans in some quiet systems (no major travel routes) on some nice belts next to some juicy roids.
second step, use a mining frig or cruiser I.E. scythe/osprey (ftted for running) you don't want trouble. have a BS alt or friend nearby (ninja ratting) to clear a belt for you. remember and keep scanning your roids (im not gonna get into a debate over roids growing or respawning quicker!) this is for convenience (so you don't have to keep moving your cans about)
step three, this is best done just before/after DT. come in your hauler and take the can away... you earn extra space cos the can holds 9300m3 but only takes up 9000m3 so if you can grab 5 that's an extra 1500m3 for free.
step four, moving the mins... have trial alts in different regions and jump on em to get quotes on best prices. make sure you got refining v, refining efficiency v and specified proccessing for which ever ore your mining trained decently also do missions for the corp refining your ore.
final note: don't expect it allways to pay off. keep it as a side job (something to do when your not doing corp stuff or agent running) aslong as you're just doing it now and again you won't draw attention and you'll get out clean most the time, too much and people will notice. so your gonna need a steady income if your ninja systems get put on lockdown.
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Odd Mothball
Minmatar
Empire Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2008.02.22 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: zakina
step three, this is best done just before/after DT. come in your hauler and take the can away... you earn extra space cos the can holds 9300m3 but only takes up 9000m3 so if you can grab 5 that's an extra 1500m3 for free.
GSCs Take up 3000m3 and hold 3900m3, so if you do pick up five of them (taking 15000m3, not 45000m3) they give an extra 4500m3, not 1500m3.
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Lisa Seraph
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Posted - 2008.02.22 16:22:00 -
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Hmm...I make double your profits jetcan mining veld in an Osprey.
Are you selling your minerals to random buy orders at the closest station?
Are you using a full strip miner II cycle on a small roid with only a small amount of ore?
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sgt carlini
Caldari
The 11th Order
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Posted - 2008.02.22 17:04:00 -
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Just to clarify, the order of hi sec ore prices at the moment is:
1. Kernite
2. Plagioclase
3. Scordite
To be honest you shouldn't need more than this and I can't remember the order anyway!
When the war comes, caldari are going to kick some galleante and minmatar rear! |
Kamikazi Maggot
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Posted - 2008.02.22 17:10:00 -
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1. Mine lots and lots of trit with your hulk
2. Haul to nearest market hub
3. Right click -> Sell
4. Profit
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Kruemelkeks
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Posted - 2008.02.23 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: Kruemelkeks on 23/02/2008 04:05:58
I make around 4 Mil an hour, mining Plagioclase with a Retriever (2 Strip Miner I, Mining Upgrade, 3 Mining Drones I).
Mining V
Astrogeology V
Refining IV
Refining Efficency III or IV
Plagioclase Processing IV
Drones 3
Mining Drones IV
My Alt currently sits in an Osprey and yields ~ 2,5 Mil/H and hauls all the stuff as well.
I would suggest training for any hauler (I use the Mammoth and it works like a charm!) as well, so you can start jet-can mining and don't waste your time flying back and forth with your hulk. Training time for my main would be 7 days (without implants).
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Jack Freely
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.02.23 07:03:00 -
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You will need a hauler to mine, so just log on to your RL friends account like you do and use that to haul back to the station for you. Also learn some of the probing skills so you can track down the ore pockets.
Say hi to the old corp for me 
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.23 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Freely
You will need a hauler to mine, so just log on to your RL friends account like you do and use that to haul back to the station for you. Also learn some of the probing skills so you can track down the ore pockets.
Say hi to the old corp for me
I have timed it, and my evalutation (using a hulk without rigs) is that you get even with 1 hauler every 3 miners. Less than that and docking to unload a hulk is more efficient.
The hauler is an important help when you use ships with less cargo capacity, especially mining BS.
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Keri Rydell
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Posted - 2008.02.23 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Ibex
I thought that once I'd get a hulk I'd be making at least 6mil ISK every two hours, but I don't even get anything close to that. I end up making about 8 trips to belt and back in these two hours. I am lucky if I make 3 million every two hours. This is pathetic...
If you're OK with 3 Mil/hour then get into ice mining - max cargo outfitted Hulk (15K m3+ with 2 cargo rigs and 2x T2 cargo expanders) is the best single player ice miner in Eve. With max skills you get 15 icicles every 26-ish minutes (5m19s single mining cicle) and 30 icicles in your hangar an hour with minimum effort. Slap some passive kinetic hardeners and you can simply ignore the rats in caldari space. Do bring small drones though as some rats jam you targetting systems and simply have to be eliminated. It's as close to macro mining as you can get without actually macro mining. Touch your ship twice an hour and get 30 icicles in you hangar every hour - guaranteed.
You can also muck about with that stupid "ice mining" contraption - Mack - but unless you're in a properly setup ice mining gang you'll get just 2-3 more icicles an hour for double the effort.
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Pontet Canet
Amarr
en primeur
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Posted - 2008.02.23 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
If you are mining solo and are worried about can flippers, try ice mining.
Get a mack put ice harvester II's on, 2 cargo expander II's, you can mine 8 ice cubes about every 12 minutes. Reduces return trips to station.
Ice also has the bonus of making 1 bookmark so you don't have to move around the field changings roids all the time.
Ice mining can be done completely AFK. When I solo I get about 34 cubes an hour (including hauling to station). This is about 5 mill ISK per hr AFK.
I personally use an indy ALT and get around 44-46 cubes an hr (depending on gang bonus etc). I set an alarm clock and return every 12 minutes to move Ice into hauler, make about 6-7 million iSK an hr while doing other stuff!
I do suggest the Yeti implant which gives 3% bonus reduction in ice harvesting time, only about 10 mill ISK.
This is exactly what I do with an alt. Works out about 4mil / hour though as I get distracted :)
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notaway
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.02.24 12:17:00 -
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Very interesting stuff to a sometimes miner like me--I like to mine in same system where I have corp with high standing so they take nada and then u have refining eff to lvl 4 and u get no wastage and use 5 mining drones...I have to use 4 miner II's in a domi since I don't have mining 5 yet and don't want to use a non T2 ore ship...but can mine newhere in high sec with no rat problem....
Hey one thing I found out if u jet can mine and name the can u get more than the normal time before the can goes bye bye with all the ore u just mined--I use a mammoth with T2 expanders to pick it all up and mine kernite or pyrox most of the time for my own use...
Now if u mine then u should make ur own ships and if u make ur own ships then u should make ur own rigs and if u do all this then u should do pve for the salvage and if u pve then u should use some research agents and get that easy datacore isk and if u do all that u might as well do some pvp....cause now u can afford it--lol
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Tinker1947
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Posted - 2008.02.24 14:58:00 -
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I would advise Ice Mining in a Hulk if your solo mining, put cargohold optimizers in the rig slots, cargo expander T2's in the low slotsa, this gives you 17199 m3 cargo space, 3 T2 ice harvesters with Exhumer lvl 4 and a Yeti-BX-1 implant will give you cycle times off 320.10 seconds thats 30 units a hour including hauling to a station.....learn ice refining and sell the refined ice will make you over 5 mill a hour....not jetcans, just sit there and watch TV or a film....
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notaway
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.02.24 15:04:00 -
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Ahhh I may not be a miner but isn't a Mac better for ice mining--I think it has some kind of bonus in that regard?
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Tinker1947
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Posted - 2008.02.24 15:30:00 -
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Mack have 2 ice harvesters that have double out put,,,you get 4 units of ice as apposed to 3 from a hulk....Mack are used with a secure can and a haulier, my 3 mack turn over around 135 units a hour with a 4th alt hauling in a itty mk5 fully expanded. The Hulks 3 of them with 17k m3 cargo space haul them selves ever 25 minuts with 15 units per hulk....thats 90 a hour, but i only have to pop in from my workshop ever 30 minuts to do the mouse clicks, and the end of a working day (after DT) 5 hours nets me 450 units every day...thats 75 million a day
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Khoa
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Posted - 2008.02.25 04:32:00 -
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I dont know about you but I got 13,000m3 - no rigs with my hulk and I mine primarily veldspar. Every 12 minutes or so I haul back with 130,000 units of veldspar, process all that no waste no tax - yields about 400,000 tritanium.
400k tri x 3Isk = 1.2 mil isk - per 12 minutes. So not sure where you'd go wrong for your two hours.
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Mara Rinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.25 05:37:00 -
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The best way to maximise your earning potential is to get someone else to help you haul. I reckon you could split half with the hauler and still make more than mining into your hold and warping back to station every load.
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Keri Rydell
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Posted - 2008.02.25 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tinker1947
Mack have 2 ice harvesters that have double out put,,,you get 4 units of ice as apposed to 3 from a hulk....Mack are used with a secure can and a haulier, my 3 mack turn over around 135 units a hour with a 4th alt hauling in a itty mk5 fully expanded. The Hulks 3 of them with 17k m3 cargo space haul them selves ever 25 minuts with 15 units per hulk....thats 90 a hour, but i only have to pop in from my workshop ever 30 minuts to do the mouse clicks, and the end of a working day (after DT) 5 hours nets me 450 units every day...thats 75 million a day
No need for 17Km3 hold - 15 and a bit is more than enough. With that Mack setup of yours you do count the hauler alt in the gang, right? Granted, he/she might not be a hulk pilot yet but without him you wouldn't have secured 135 icicles/hour. And this set up means work... I prefer 30 icicles per hulk per hour having to touch your ship only every 26-ish minutes. I guess I'm lazy but I only ice mine to feed the POS 
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notaway
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.02.25 10:46:00 -
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Now u guys lost me with this math and multiple alt stuff--I always thought u could just have 1 char working at a time unless u bought further accounts. So I have one account which includes my main and two alts which are untrained.. Can u pay for another account and use one of these alts? Or r u really saying u have 4 accounts with 4 main chars?
I already have the mammoth for hauling and I have only mined ore and can use jetcan mining with no worry of theft but had thought to get a mack at some point to ice mine as those are always in demand. But I guess ur saying the hulk is still better even with the bonus or is just more flexible?
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Neena Ailichi
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Posted - 2008.02.25 12:45:00 -
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My 0.02 isk: I'm michi implant short from having perfect yield, corp mates haul for me, and refini is perfect too. Got bored of mining for hours, trained to Ishtar / t2 ogres and started doing lvl 4's. I'm making MUCH more money, and if I had patience to mission as much as mine I'd make more money per week than some of the top miners in our corp (excluding top 2 who have like 10 hulk alts or something :)
Hisec mining = not worth it.
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Tinker1947
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Posted - 2008.02.26 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Tinker1947 on 26/02/2008 19:41:02
i have 5 accounts, 1 of them close to mining barge lvl 5 then the other skills to max Hulk/Mack mining, so atm i have 3 macks mining with 4th hauling, or 3 hulks mining with a 25 minute turn round when i can afk and work in the daytime, watch football in the evening or use my main to do exploration ect. the reason for ice mining, the ice riods don't run out so there's no moving just mine away. if you can run other acounts the isk will roll in.
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Ikserak tai
Caldari
Ghengis Tia Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.26 20:07:00 -
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There are various 2D map links that will get you the regional maps you need to find a sweet system to mine in. I was able to find a 0.9 system with rich ore, nobody in it but us miners. Its only 3 jumps from major systems but as a deadend no one goes there. Try www.ombeve.co.uk for Ombey's great maps. Or just google "2D EVE Maps".
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Balcura
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Posted - 2008.02.27 21:29:00 -
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Basically there are a ton of things to look at in the posts so far.
1) With your hulk you need to find a place to sit and mine while not being all that picky about what you mine.
2) You may wish to set your ship up a little differently. With 2 expander 2's and 2 cargo opt rig 2's you'll have an 18727.2 m3 cargo hold, if you are actively mining you can easily add 5 GSC's and cycle your lasers to push you m3 total to 23227.2 (or just under a can per haul).
3) Mining drones will help your mining yeild.
4) Be aware of the 5% base tax from refining and think about missions and connections to help reduce it.
5) Some of the mining implants are inexpensive and will help in your yeild.
6) Don't use your mining lasers all on the same roid (some people still do).
ANY miner with your skill set should be making well over 10-15mil per hr even with the trips factored in.
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Jim Nakamura
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.27 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: notaway
Now u guys lost me with this math and multiple alt stuff--I always thought u could just have 1 char working at a time unless u bought further accounts. So I have one account which includes my main and two alts which are untrained.. Can u pay for another account and use one of these alts? Or r u really saying u have 4 accounts with 4 main chars?
Yes, lots of people have multiple, separate acounts, each with one active character on. (Plus, quite often, a couple of untrained alts, who do nothing except sit in a station in a different region so people can do quick price checks with them).
Since you can buy GTCs with ISK, and two characters working together can earn more than twice as much money as one character working solo, it does actually make some degree of sense to have your own little gang of alts going on.
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notaway
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.02.29 00:34:00 -
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Tinker--saw another thread and a better reason to use a hulk for ice mining is that a hulk can do almost as well but still can tank rats, unlike the mack which apparently has a cpu problem per the poster.
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Meromorphic
AFK
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Posted - 2008.02.29 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Neena Ailichi
...if I had patience to mission as much as mine I'd make more money per week than some of the top miners in our corp
You've hit a nail on the head. Isk/hour is deceptive. What is often more useful as a measure of what to do is isk per unit of attention span. If you can make 20M an hour (say) from mission running, but can only stand to do it for 2 hours, that is in the end the same as 10M an hour mining when you can stand to do that for 4 hours. Of course the issue is complicated by RL opportunity cost, but I think the point stands.
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