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BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2008.02.20 01:06:00 - [1] Actually the drawback on astronautics rig is simply a joke, a armor HP malus, who care when nano ship are shield tanked? Maybe a drawback on the signature radius or the shield HP could be better. I know, all nanoship user are going to cry :) ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"
BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2008.02.20 01:06:00 - [2] Actually the drawback on astronautics rig is simply a joke, a armor HP malus, who care when nano ship are shield tanked? Maybe a drawback on the signature radius or the shield HP could be better. I know, all nanoship user are going to cry :) ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"
AstroPhobic Minmatar Primero.	Posted - 2008.02.20 01:08:00 - [3] 55mil sounds like enough drawback to me. Astro
AstroPhobic Minmatar Primero.	Posted - 2008.02.20 01:08:00 - [4] 55mil sounds like enough drawback to me. Astro
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.20 01:10:00 - [5] Bloody rapiers. Er, yeah, well, you have a point. Although I have one ship where the speed rigs armour HP malus is actually annoying, which is a comedy DC II-tanked Cynabal setup for catching fast things ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.20 01:10:00 - [6] Bloody rapiers. Er, yeah, well, you have a point. Although I have one ship where the speed rigs armour HP malus is actually annoying, which is a comedy DC II-tanked Cynabal setup for catching fast things ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Zhulik Abyss Restless Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.02.20 01:19:00 - [7] Yeah, the cost is enough of a drawback for me not to fit them in most cases. Being cheap is fun. ----- My views reflect those of my corp completely and entirely. My corpmates will gladly go to war over my forum antics.
BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2008.02.20 01:39:00 - [8] Quote: 55mil sounds like enough drawback to me. Eheh, i think it's not a drawback for a lot of ppl too, and only the polycarbon rig cost 55m, the other are cheap. ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"
AstroPhobic Minmatar Primero.	Posted - 2008.02.20 01:48:00 - [9] Originally by: BABARR Quote: 55mil sounds like enough drawback to me. Eheh, i think it's not a drawback for a lot of ppl too, and only the polycarbon rig cost 55m, the other are cheap. The others don't give nearly enough bonus to be effective as additions to speed ships. Polycarbons are THE nano-ship rig. Without a pair of them, you're not fast enough to compete with OTHER nanoships, which leads to a quick death. Which means you have to count on busting 110mil worth of rigs every time you want a nano-HAC.
Galcray Gallente Sacred Templars DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.02.20 04:37:00 - [10] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: BABARR Quote: 55mil sounds like enough drawback to me. Eheh, i think it's not a drawback for a lot of ppl too, and only the polycarbon rig cost 55m, the other are cheap. The others don't give nearly enough bonus to be effective as additions to speed ships. Polycarbons are THE nano-ship rig. Without a pair of them, you're not fast enough to compete with OTHER nanoships, which leads to a quick death. Which means you have to count on busting 110mil worth of rigs every time you want a nano-HAC. the thrifty nano person (aka me) will replace inertial stabilizers in lows w/nanofibers, and use low friction nozzle joints as rigs (in place of inertial stabilizers). It will go slightly slower, but knock about 90mil off of your ships price tag, because in the end you KNOW your gonna lose the ship, why not make it hurt less? Just the words of a cheap person _____________ I have ridden the mighty moon worm.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.02.20 05:34:00 - [11] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: BABARR Quote: 55mil sounds like enough drawback to me. Eheh, i think it's not a drawback for a lot of ppl too, and only the polycarbon rig cost 55m, the other are cheap. The others don't give nearly enough bonus to be effective as additions to speed ships. Polycarbons are THE nano-ship rig. Without a pair of them, you're not fast enough to compete with OTHER nanoships, which leads to a quick death. Which means you have to count on busting 110mil worth of rigs every time you want a nano-HAC. Yeah, well. You could always train Prod efficiency to 4, set up some buy orders and make them yourself for 40 mil. But god forbid you train anything that doesn't make you go faster amirite?
Ryysa Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.20 10:48:00 - [12] If you make them "yourself" for 40 mil, while their market price is 55, when you lose them, you still lost 110m. EW Guide - KB Tool - My Music
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.20 10:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Ryysa If you make them "yourself" for 40 mil, while their market price is 55, when you lose them, you still lost 110m. Technically speaking, you made 30M by making two of them (since you made the market_price-production cost, or 55-40=15M on the moment of production), and then lose 110M when they explode, just like Ryysa said. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.02.20 11:11:00 - [14] Why is there such a huge price jump for just that one rig? That almost seems like CCP expected it to be an isk sink.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.20 11:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa That almost seems like CCP expected it to be an isk sink. Unless you buy them from NPCs, they're not ISK sinks. The ISK goes to the bloody industrials/mission-runners ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.20 11:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Why is there such a huge price jump for just that one rig? That almost seems like CCP expected it to be an isk sink. ATB's --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
FlameGlow	Posted - 2008.02.20 11:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Why is there such a huge price jump for just that one rig? That almost seems like CCP expected it to be an isk sink. CCP doesn't set prices on rigs(although can influence them by messing with salvage table and rig bill of materials), such high price is due to high demand, you can only blame yourself(and other nanoship users) for that
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.02.20 12:04:00 - [18] Originally by: FlameGlow Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Why is there such a huge price jump for just that one rig? That almost seems like CCP expected it to be an isk sink. CCP doesn't set prices on rigs(although can influence them by messing with salvage table and rig bill of materials), such high price is due to high demand, you can only blame yourself(and other nanoship users) for that such high price is due to the scarcity of one of the main rig components, alloyd tritium bars, now when angel space has finally settled back down after this whole war thing the price on those will drop but for the moment it is hard to get alloyd tritium bars in large quantities from anything, hence why every rig that requires them is fairly exorbitant in price not just the poly carbs... and to the op there are tons of rigs that have drawbacks that dont affect the ships they are being used on, or just ones that have no drawback at all... like cap rigs etc.
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.02.20 13:28:00 - [19] Originally by: BABARR Actually the drawback on astronautics rig is simply a joke, a armor HP malus, who care when nano ship are shield tanked? Maybe a drawback on the signature radius or the shield HP could be better. I know, all nanoship user are going to cry :) They are a drawback on those polycarbonated Vindicators. Really I'm pretty sure if the drawback wasn't on armor you'd see more blster boat with them... -- Heat, easy to burn your mods by mistake, hard to get it to work when you need it the most. Well designed interface CCP!
BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2008.02.20 18:11:00 - [20] Edited by: BABARR on 20/02/2008 18:10:50 Quote: They are a drawback on those polycarbonated Vindicators. Really I'm pretty sure if the drawback wasn't on armor you'd see more blaster boat with them... Hmm? maybe not cause you need to use your low slot for a good nanoboat and armor tank is on low slot too and armor can't passive regen? BTW actually the drawback on this rig is a joke. (And i'am a nanoship user) ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"

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