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CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2004.04.02 11:34:00 - [1] Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 02/04/2004 11:39:40 May is the month of shiva as they saying to us so many months... 2-3 weeks are not evaff to test all this new stuff PLEASE dont make it like tech 2 remember the OMG what happend... if you want to hide some stuff from testing do so, but other stuff like tax or like UI or market and agents NEED serious testing (and more) dont make my sig come truw again PLEASE :P edit: my english suck :P ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Hellek	Posted - 2004.04.02 11:56:00 - [2] Edited by: Hellek on 02/04/2004 12:02:02 Edited by: Hellek on 02/04/2004 11:59:38 For me its okay if they wait with putting shiva on chaos until they feel that its the right time but I hope they delay putting it on Tranq until it really is working well and stable and especially without exploitable bugs. Also, if they do something like bringing in new items and then suddenly devaluating them (like they did with T2 components which suddenly did not contain mega any more, without any announcement before) I can tell them for sure that they will have one customer less. PLEASE ANNOUNCE CHANGES INSTEAD OF JUST DOING IT
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2004.04.02 12:02:00 - [3] that's one of the many problems of tech 2 bring but if they delay it more than may or make a big mess again they will lose 2 acounts to... WOW and Everquest 2 dont sound to bad for a change.... ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Fester Addams	Posted - 2004.04.02 12:06:00 - [4] shiva will come when shiva will come, why rush it? Just cos they have stated at some way back time it will come in may(?) does not mneen shiva will hit the game on the first day of may. I would not be suprised if shiva was not put back a few weeks to let castor play out properly. Also I expect the devs to test shiva for as long as is needed rather than have a fixed timeline, if somthing is broken I want them to have time to fix it properly and have it working when it hits tranq rather than have a number of hotfixes after introducing shiva prematurely.
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2004.04.02 12:13:00 - [5] tell that to public CCP :PPP i know people are realy realy bored... same mining same PVP same agent missions... since i play from beta 5 i have never been so bored in my life with EVE... I hear tech 2 but i cant see it :P we have many of them from CA but whats the point? big better guns? so what? I will go play UT2004 for a week and i will come back.. i hope... ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.04.02 19:50:00 - [6] Shiva wont be the solution for people who are bored, it will keep you busy for some time and then you get bored again. Then you want the next big patch. Big patches should not be on chaos, that leaves NOTHING for us to wonder about what is coming. Playing EVE is like waiting for christmas, you never know what you are gonna get but if someone tells you its not fun anymore. Live with it, take a break, have a Kit Kat *Spawn of the Devil*
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.04.02 19:52:00 - [7] If Shiva was done we'd have it, why would you want something that is unfinished right now? ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Hellek	Posted - 2004.04.02 20:49:00 - [8] I don't know many people (or any at all) who quit because it took too long to introduce T2 but I DO know a lot of people who quit because of "stupid" changes, bugs and exploits.
Jael	Posted - 2004.04.03 00:59:00 - [9] Did you forget your ritalin, or just your manners today?
Drutort	Posted - 2004.04.03 02:33:00 - [10] see this is what worries me, they say they are going good, but if they were going good and according to schedule you would think that pretty soon we would have some of the parts to test in chaos? so if its not ready for chaos how far behind could it be then if you need quite a bit of time on chaos for things to be tested then until its semi ready for tq thatÆs what worries me. support Idea: QuickInfo an alternative to ShowInfo my MoBlog
Darkcraft	Posted - 2004.04.03 12:00:00 - [11] Given the fact they dont even update the current patch log until days after a patch has been made available for chaos, i think you are asking way too much from them. Lets try and get the simple things done first, like maybe letting people know whats been added so, shock horror, actual testing can take place.
Kaito'Li	Posted - 2004.04.03 12:50:00 - [12] Edited by: Kaito'Li on 03/04/2004 12:52:15 to be honest though, half the bugs are only noticed by nobjockeys that decide to expliot instead of report. meh, ah well, they'll get the idea at some point. hmmm, i'm sure this is a reply o the wrong thread.... ah well Confucius he say, "Bugger this, I'm off for a beer"
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2004.04.04 09:02:00 - [13] yep i remeber that old bug-exploid in beta times.. that you could cancel warp when going out of a belt and then the pirates never attack you.... free mining :PPPP noone ever report it for weeks (i report it after some time) the point is to fix the big bug but also the small very anoing bugs without hidding some... like he say above ^^^^^ is realy scare me that we have not update chaos for weeks... and if we see the shive 2 weeks before they relese it EVE is dead no mater when they give it out... we need atlist 4 weeks of beta testing.... ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Draiman	Posted - 2004.04.05 05:03:00 - [14] Edited by: Draiman on 05/04/2004 05:08:33 Of course after time people are gonna get bored with Shiva and want the next big patch.. This is a ***** game. With intangable content created by developers for our amusement. Its THEIR JOB to create a game we enjoy, and its our job to give them our money and enjoy the game. For all you people saying "create your own content". WTF am I supposed to do? I cant make new ships, setup a storyline, or impact the game world in any way that matters really. Thats up to the devs to provide for us. Thats THEIR job. We play the game till theres nothing left to do and get bored. If they keep us supplied with things to do, they keep getting our money for their services. If they fail to meet the gamers requirements and we become bored for too long, they loose a paying costomer.. one at a time... Till either they create new and interesting things to do, or only the die-hard EVE mining addicts remain and EVE dies and slow horrible death. So whats my point in all this? The devs need to get on the ball and start making.... no RELEASING more content before they loose more players. Most of which are ex-addicts who own 2 or 3 accounts. I know they have this grand scheme of things to come, with a big story line and all that BS we've been told. But whos gonna believe them given their history of inaccurate release dates and missing content? And their half assed efforts to meet their deadlines are nothing but an insult.. The way they threw in "elite" frigates a week or two late to tide us all over. What ever happened to new ship types for tech 2 ships instead of a rehash of some POS noob frigates, and if we're lucky.. cruisers (whoopty **in doo). Okay.. enough ranting.. Sorry for the long post. Addition: If shiva were done, we probably wouldnt have it. Its good business to build up stock of your product to sell to make sure you dont run out. I bet about 1/4th the planned game content is in the game and at least semi-working (they have to release it to really test it so they leave it untested). They're building up that stock of content and releasing it at a painfully slow pace... Milkin' it for all its worth.
Darkwolf	Posted - 2004.04.05 06:33:00 - [15] Well, I've seen it time and time again, and believe you me, some fancy new ships and guns with bigger numbers on 'em ain't content. Players make the content. If you can't keep yourself entertained with the tools you've already got, what makes you think you'll be entertained with some new shiny tools? Seen it before. A whole bunch of new gear comes out, and everyone goes 'ooh ahh' for a week, then it's back to the same grind again. If you're bored with the game, find out WHY you're bored, and do something about it. It's YOUR job to entertain yourself, nobody elses.
Draiman	Posted - 2004.04.05 13:31:00 - [16] Edited by: Draiman on 05/04/2004 13:34:20 See.. thats where you, and everyone who think like you, are wrong. If you where right, we would have the ability to mod EVE as we please to make our version of the game we want to play. But this isnt Half Life or some other modable game. Its not our job to create content, as we dont have the tools. Telling me its my job to entertain myself in EVE is like tying my hands and feet together and telling me to have fun swimming. I dont have the tools at my disposal to create content, nor does the game support any way to effect the game world in any real sense. You can do 2 things in EVE.. Make money, and kill stuff. The ways of making money are all the same. There are no unique manufactured items players can make. So we require new and interesting ways to make money. And then there's killing stuff. By now, if you dont have a top of the line combat frigate/cruiser/battleship or whatever you use.. Most likely, you could go out and buy it on a whim. And kill your favorite enemy over and over again in the same battles. So we need new and interesting ways of killing each other as well. To me, the whole point of a game like this (with no active storyline), is to aquire wealth, and use that to fund wars. I've done that.. Many times over again. I guess I'd just like for the game to get away from the the point that 80% of all players (well, maybe like 65% now with all the new players) can at any moment, go out and get the top of the line whatever. There's no more "wow, look at that". If you didnt notice, thats how the real world works. People are always looking to be amazed. For something better, faster, stronger... To have stuff that no one else can get to set themselves apart. As it is, a mega corp of 250 active and online players with 10.0 standing with their area empire/faction has the same access to the same things as a 1 month old noob who mines like crazy and can buy whatever he wants. Bah, this turned out a lot longer than I had intended so I'll stop now :p
Darkwolf	Posted - 2004.04.06 02:54:00 - [17] Obviously you're someone who is completely unable to find his own entertainment. You don't need to 'mod' a game to make content! You have the tools! They're called chat channels, the map, the market! Talk with people! Forge alliances! Stab people in the back! Start market wars! Fight over conquerable stations! Start your own scenarios! Hold races! Set up treasure hunts! The possibilities are endless. Just because YOU cannot see any of them doesn't automatically make people who CAN wrong.
Kipkruide	Posted - 2004.04.06 12:22:00 - [18] ah come on put it on as soon as possible, i like the beta feel i get after a patch makes me all nostalgic. :)
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.04.06 13:25:00 - [19] Quote: If Shiva was done we'd have it, why would you want something that is unfinished right now? Consistency? You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Draiman	Posted - 2004.04.07 01:25:00 - [20] Edited by: Draiman on 07/04/2004 01:34:57 Edited by: Draiman on 07/04/2004 01:27:31 Obviously you're someone who is completely noobish and/or simple minded. You must either have not done just about everything many times over again as I have, or you simply enjoy repetetive tasks. Done it, done it, been apart of it, boring, done it.... you get my point... This game is a very open ended games, with MANY possibilities. But not unlimited.. Those many possibilities have kept my complete interest for almost a year now. Far better than any other game has ever done. But not much has changed in the form of actual content since the games release. And I'm running out of new and interesting things to do... I've very happy for those of you who still enjoy the game as I did. In fact I'm quite envious as I really enjoyed this game. Which is why I'm so vocal of my opinion that this game is reaching a point where most veteran players are bored and leaving the game... about 60% of my friends have left the game to find other things to do.. I'd just like to enjoy the game as I did before. And I'd really like to have a chance to enjoy the game before I'm deployed for 15 months to Europe in a 2 months, where I wont have access to EVE.
DHU InMe	Posted - 2004.04.07 02:51:00 - [21] Quote: Obviously you're someone who is completely noobish and/or simple minded. You must either have not done just about everything many times over again as I have, or you simply enjoy repetetive tasks. Done it, done it, been apart of it, boring, done it.... you get my point... This game is a very open ended games, with MANY possibilities. But not unlimited.. Those many possibilities have kept my complete interest for almost a year now. Far better than any other game has ever done. But not much has changed in the form of actual content since the games release. And I'm running out of new and interesting things to do... I've very happy for those of you who still enjoy the game as I did. In fact I'm quite envious as I really enjoyed this game. Which is why I'm so vocal of my opinion that this game is reaching a point where most veteran players are bored and leaving the game... about 60% of my friends have left the game to find other things to do.. I'd just like to enjoy the game as I did before. And I'd really like to have a chance to enjoy the game before I'm deployed for 15 months to Europe in a 2 months, where I wont have access to EVE. Don't forget to train a lv5 Rank 8 skill before you leave 13 month :) ! Also for all others Bored, ritalin'S users and negatives freaks: About Shiva, they said they it would be realeased toward May. There still 3 week before 1st may. So don't expect they come sooner with the upgrade. And it may come to 7-21 May :-p Fixing: -market t2, t1 (cannot be sold) -t1 missing BP -Agent lottery overflow and t2 -Others bugfix I agree that recruiting 1-2 programmer would help a lot with little bugfix and features. Nice links (updated 20 Dec 04): BP, bugs about them. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way.
Traveler	Posted - 2004.04.07 05:46:00 - [22] Shiva is still in development state. Afaik, it is scheduled for end of May. Until his date we will continue to improve Castor. There will be changes to the test server setup. We will have more test servers with different builds. CCP will inform you when everything is in place. Traveler Polaris Bug Hunter Lead
Fartracker	Posted - 2004.04.07 17:40:00 - [23] Shiva delayed till August. MUAHHAHAHAHAH Eat My Shorts!
MacLagavulin	Posted - 2004.04.07 18:00:00 - [24] Quote: ... before I'm deployed for 15 months to Europe in a 2 months, where I wont have access to EVE. hey, we have computers here too, so you'll find a way to logon if you don't show some respect, don't expect it from me
Draiman	Posted - 2004.04.08 04:34:00 - [25] I'm being deployed to Kosovo. While they do have computers, they only have about 40 or so computers for a multi-national base of 7000 people. And we're allowed laptops, but no network access as its a security issue.. Perhaps there's a way around that? :P I hope so.
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2004.04.08 05:29:00 - [26] Quote: I'm being deployed to Kosovo. While they do have computers, they only have about 40 or so computers for a multi-national base of 7000 people. And we're allowed laptops, but no network access as its a security issue.. Perhaps there's a way around that? :P I hope so. use your militery satelite to play eve LOLOLOL btw: you know why you were send there right? 12 militery people of us (greek) almost got killed when they were protecting a church 1000 albanian "mass" attacked them... and then all the big trable and fight started... in the summer all the countrys should slowly withdraw their armys but now they send more and more there.... ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Traveler	Posted - 2004.04.08 06:00:00 - [27] Seems nothing to discuss any more - topic closed Traveler Polaris Bug Hunter Lead

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