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Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.20 23:14:00 - [1] Originally by: Bimjo Edited by: Bimjo on 20/02/2008 19:56:12 Originally by: L70Rogue move L3 and L4 agents to low sec. BTW, most people in high sec are the alts of 0.0 mains. lets see , 20% in 0.0 and 70% in Hi-Sec as per report ? Are you suggesting that the average 0.0 resident has 3 accounts ?(2 in empire) which is what would be required to make your statement true You realize we can have 3 characters/account? For example I have one char that spends all its time in 0.0, one char that spends most of its time in 0.0, and 4 others that spend their time in empire. Quote: p.s. as already said , forcing won't work so moving L4 to low sec would be a waste of time. When I mission run in empire I always reject the Low Sec ones , mostly because it takes much much longer to complete them(safely) , hence risk Vs reward in Low Sec is not worth it No one cares about people like you. But if you moved L4s to lowsec I bet all the 0.0ers with L4 mission running alts will run them in lowsec as well. Compared to 0.0 lowsec is a carebear paradise.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.20 23:15:00 - [2] Originally by: Venkul Mul Edited by: Venkul Mul on 20/02/2008 19:08:51 Originally by: L70Rogue Edited by: L70Rogue on 20/02/2008 18:58:04 move L3 and L4 agents to low sec. BTW, most people in high sec are the alts of 0.0 mains. Again this refrain Always the last trench of the "my playstile must prevail" people. The number of jumps mean that the characters are active so it better reflect the true time spent playing the characters. Except a miner or a mission runner hardly uses the jump gate. Where as a hauling alt will use 20 in 30 minutes. Its a terrible way to measure population, considering how many people in highsec dont even move from their system.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.21 00:03:00 - [3] Originally by: Brutoth Tain Take both surveys into account, people tried to debunk and shrug off the first population report because of the method used to generate the statistics so second time around they changed the method and the frequency of the measurements. Limited as the first survey was the figures have shown to be consistent by the second survey which instead of measuring the amount of characters present it measured the amount of active characters and did so over a longer period. Both the limited character count and the detailed survey have provided what can only be interpreted as an accurate population snapshot over a six month period, and over that period low sec is largely unpopulated. What does that have to do with alts? None of the surveys addressed that point. An actual survey sent by ccp through evemail to a percentage of the accounts would be a MUCH better survey. Quote: This is going to be a shock to you but it is you who are in the minority as the 0.0 population isn't that high either. At the risk of sounding elitist, 0.0 is the end game in eve, thats just how it is. Its how ccp envisioned it, its how the game is setup(look at the size of 0.0 compared to highsec for example).
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.21 00:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Shintai Its amazing people cant accept other peoples playstyle. Forcing people out of high so what? Probe them when doing missions or whatever so you can get easy targets handed to you? Also if you move L5 and L4 agents to lowsec..people just only do L3. Its very simple. Or they might just quit the game instead. Its like saying concord should be in 0.0 space. 0.0 serves the purpose of being a PvP area, highsec is at times also a PvP area. EvE is one of the few MMOs where you can actually PvP in the socalled safespot. Lowsec however is the only place that dont actually serve a purpose. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. L4s are just too profitable compared to everything else. 0.0 ratting makes less isk unless you're in the best regions chaining the best spawns. There is patently something wrong with this.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.21 03:34:00 - [5] Originally by: Brutoth Tain Disclaimer, I suck at maths and these figures could very well be bull**** so please rework them to a decent standard if your able to and if your not able to you cant very well question my numbers if you have no clue either Your math is screwed up. This survey says 70% of the people are in highsec, so if the 30% in lowsec/0.0 have 2 alts each, and no highsec acct have an alt, that means 90% of eve are in lowsec/0.0. Obviously this is not the case, the truth is somewhere in between those two extremes.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.21 03:35:00 - [6] Originally by: Minnie Rotseibes So, if I'm reading this thread right, low-sec sucks and hi-sec is too crowded and we need to do something about it? No problem. Get CONCORD to seal the Hi-sec-to-low-sec gates. Send in the CONCORD Titan battlegroups to exterminate all life in low-sec or force it into 0.0. Empire fleets move in and claim all of low-sec. Faction warfare results. Everyone's happy, no? As soon as concord is nerfed to be just like those empire navy ships you kill in missions, sure. Expect jita to fall within 2 days though.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Ulstan Edited by: Ulstan on 23/02/2008 21:44:25 Edited by: Ulstan on 23/02/2008 21:43:38 Quote: Infact, I bet its about 33% of the active players that even run missions and of that, 10% are running level 4s. In that case we can't blame the depopulation of low sec on empire mission runners, can we? I'm perfectly fine with low sec the way it is right now. Sure it's a barren wasteland, but 0.0 and empire space still allow you to be productive. The overly large pirate population seems convinced they don't have enough easy prey to find in low sec, so suggest absurd rules to force people into going into low sec - when they are the very reason low sec is so underpopulated in the first place. You've overhunted. You're going to have to scale back and give the population of potential targets some time to recover. The constant pirate "CCP please make all mission runners go to low sec so we can gank them" pleas are shortsighted and amusingly selfish. Spurty isnt even a pirate, and neither am I so....
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.24 04:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Meizpiebearwatchmeyarr Edited by: Meizpiebearwatchmeyarr on 24/02/2008 03:06:42 Originally by: Gamesguy Spurty isnt even a pirate, and neither am I so.... Triumvirate seem to spend more time in low sec pulling cheap quick ganks than the pirates do, harr Please, I'd wager less than 5% of our kills are from lowsec. Mostly just targets of oppurtunity.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.24 04:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Cipher7 You don't see me asking the devs to change the game do you? Its always pirates "boo hoo move the level 4's to lowsec" You're the ones always whining about the game so you adapt. The rest of us are just using the game mechanics. For every pirate whining about moving L4s to lowsec, there are 10 carebears whining to get concord into lowsec. Quote: A bunch of uninformed crap. This is exactly what eve is supposed to be, a crime ridden place full of scoudrels and oppurtunists. THIS is what eve is about, and its been quite successful in its niche. Will turning mainstream increase revenue? Sure, but then its just warcraft in space.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.25 00:29:00 - [10] Originally by: Cipher7 Lets see some links. http://www.eve-search.com/thread/697878/page/1 http://www.eve-search.com/thread/698764/page/1 http://www.eve-search.com/thread/693423/page/1 Just a 30 second search. Quote: I don't feel it can sustain it. Every crime needs a victim. No victims = No crime. Pirates kill each other all the time, funny how they dont consider themselves a victim. Maybe you just have a victim complex? Quote: Right now I feel that CCP serves ONLY scoundrels and opportunists, and all the other subscribers are just incidental visitors, to be robbed and sent on their way. You know what I'd like to see? A real bounty-hunter profession. A reward for killing pirates. An incentive to be a good guy. There are anti-pie corps/alliances, celes was famous for this for years, MC when not on contract also did quite a bit of anti-pirate stuff. And pirates have suggested transferable killrights loads of times, its up to ccp to implement it. Quote: People talk about risk/reward all the time. Where's the risk in being a scammer? Time lost. Quote: Where's the risk in being a corp thief? Not being able to join another corp ever again? I know someone who was a corp thief, people hounded him every day till he quit. Quote: Where's the risk in ganking haulers in highsec? Same as running L4s in highsec, except instead of a constant stream of income you get them in bursts. I've done suicide ganking, its not nearly as profitable as you think. Quote: I think right now Crime is overdone because it's too easy, because it has no downside, and because you get to call people carebears without ever taking a risk yourself. Believe it or not I think ransoming people in lowsec is one of the classier activities. But not everybody can do it, because it's hard, so they go bait newbs because they're such hardcore PvPers. All the stuff you listed above has nothing to do with lowsec or piracy. Suicide ganking in particular has nothing to do with pirates. Suicide ganking is an isk-making profession for 0.0ers with access to high end NPCs. They dont suicide gank for fun, its like ratting but less boring. Piracy is not "hard", making a living only on piracy is hard. If I were a pirate I'd never be able to do that because I pvp for fun, not to hide and run every time I dont have 100% chance to win a fight, which is what takes to make a living off piracy.

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