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Mad Smash
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:00:00 -
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I couldn't move in space (bug/glitch) and got swarmed by enemies, then when I was almost dead they used some kind of anti warp thing on me so I was dead anyway. How is it fair I died when I couldn't move? Would I win a petition? I've lost about 35million ISK. The thought of buying a new ship and equipment again sucks. It's taken me a solid month to get that far....I'm not going to pay another month just to et back where I was. I hope I win or I'm, done with this game. I just can't do a month work all over again. I'm so friggin angry!!
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:08:00 -
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Insurance?
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:08:00 -
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I'm sorry to hear you lost your ship, it really sucks. You could try the petition, but chances are very low that they'll reimburse the ship. You can try, though. Remember that it takes them about 7 days to respond to petitions nowadays.
As far as continuing on, you still have the skills, and so you could make that money back faster than it took you the first time. Jump in a Bantam and mine for a couple hours, then use the money to get an Osprey cruiser and mine a bit more till you can get a Caracal and a salvaging ship, then do L2 missions for a bit till you gather the money for another Drake.
Also, look into insuring your next Drake when you get it.
The game has a harsh death penalty, and it's the way it is, unfortunately. Not much can be done about it.
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Mad Smash
Would I win a petition?
The probablity of getting a reimbursement based on the information you have provided is so small, that it does not warrant the time spent typing the petition. (or even posting on the forums about it.)
Sorry about your loss, but such is life.
If it makes you feel better I lost a Drake this week because I didn't check to see if my ship was aligned properly before drawing agro from several clusters of NPC's. When I went to warp out I found that I was bouncing off of a piece of space junk. I couldn't get around it in time to save the ship. Oh well!
If you don't like to play games where losing carries a cost, I would suggest that you find another source of entertainment.
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Jameroz
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:09:00 -
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You should buy platinum insurance to your ships and only fly what you can accord to lose. Eve is harsh game and that's how we like it. 
You would need to be much more specific about the bug that stopped you from moving to have any chance of reimbursement. Even then I think you'll just have to suck it up and buy a new one. 35mil ISK isn't that much and you should be able to make that quite fast.
The NPCs can use Stasis Webifiers which will slow you down quite a lot.
They can also use warp disruptors which will prevent you from warping.
What level mission did you lose your drake in?
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:11:00 -
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Thank those rats! You were almost lost forever in a zone we call the Drake-Raven-NavyRaven triangle. Now that you're free of the ISK farmer curse, train Minmatar frigates and go kill some people in lowsec. Breathe free!
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Ephemeral Waves
The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:13:00 -
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File a petition. The worst that will happen is that they say "no". My last petition for a lost ship was answered within a couple of hours (and I got the ship back).
Oh, and if you're going to go around saying "do it or I'll quit" you will get flamed. A lot.
Eph.
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Mad Smash
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:22:00 -
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I don't really care about being flamed by people on a forum buddy, I'm not that sensitive. 
If I lose my ship thanks to a bug that shouldn't exist I think I've got some sort of case to be able to moan if I want to. I do...it makes me feel better.
Had I been warp prevented then died then I wouldn't have any excuse. Also, no the ship wasn't insured, I couldn't afford it. It's so expensive for a noob like myself. I did get 15million compensation though but yeah..
Surely losing a ship due to a bug/error or whatever is a resonably good claim in a petition? Maybe they'll think I'm telling a white lie though and not give me the ship back, I can't prove anything. Also, in terms of getting the money back, well. I do level 3 missions of about 0 quality. I sometimes find the odd item worth 1-3million isk. I'm not mining, it takes forever to make just 500k. It only seems worthwhile if I can fly a procurer. I cannot..
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Izumein
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:25:00 -
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Insurance.
Fly only what you can afford to lose.
"some kind of anti warp thing" = Warp Disruptor/Scrambler
Try a petition and mention a bug preventing you from moving.
And..
Can I have your (tiny amount of) stuff when you quit?
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Ayrek Sammes
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:35:00 -
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Maybe I'm a bit paranoid, having played before, but when I got my first Drake, it didn't leave spacedock until I had it insured. I lost that first Drake in a level 3 mission, as well, but I have to be honest and say that 1) it wasn't equipped well enough to handle the punishment dished out, 2) I didn't have the skills needed to set up a good shield tank, and 3) I got warp scrambled and panicked. I learned a lot since then, and when I started level 3 missions again, they turned out to be not quite as hard as I'd remembered :)
And, like I said, I had that baby insured; they paid me more than I could buy one for, so fitting it out wasn't QUITE as painful *hehehe* Now, with a less than optimum fitting, a Drake pretty much tears through level 2 missions, although a Caracal is pretty good for those missions as well, and isn't as pricey :) And, don't forget to get it insured before taking off on those missions, dude.
Now, as to whether or not a bug kept you from moving, well, describe what was happening as best you can in your petition. Be as detailed as possible and maybe, just maybe, you'll be reimbursed.
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Rajah Cudlar
Federation Scrap Dealers
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:37:00 -
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There's always a chance of a petition being approved but it sounds a lot more like you were being targeted by a stasis tower or such than experiencing a bug. There are numerous npcs designed specifically to slow you to a crawl or prevent you from warping away.
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Mad Smash
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:39:00 -
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so I'd be forced to use a unit which would restablish my warp field then? Because I'd have no idea when the next computer player would have it and use it. So I'd have to have it to be safe rarther than sorry....that's very frustrating.
Well someone may as well have my money. I won't be pleased about paying for suscriptions when i die from a bug that should not be in the game. I don't pay for bugs and nor should anyone pay/suffer for them too.
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Nacho Daddy
Caldari
Ministry of Funny Walks
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mad Smash
I couldn't move in space (bug/glitch) and got swarmed by enemies, then when I was almost dead they used some kind of anti warp thing on me so I was dead anyway. How is it fair I died when I couldn't move? Would I win a petition? I've lost about 35million ISK. The thought of buying a new ship and equipment again sucks. It's taken me a solid month to get that far....I'm not going to pay another month just to et back where I was. I hope I win or I'm, done with this game. I just can't do a month work all over again. I'm so friggin angry!!
First fly only what you can afford to lose, granted starting out we all tend to bend this rule a bit. Second, insure your ship for the full amount.
Finally its not a glitch when NPCs use Stasis Webs & Warp Jammers on you, that's called "practice for getting ganked in low sec", get used to it. The L3 missions tend to have harder NPCs, even some of the L2 missions if you do the wrong thing can get you back into an Ibis real quick even flying a Drake.
Perchance was the mission Blockade?
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Nacho Daddy
Caldari
Ministry of Funny Walks
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mad Smash
so I'd be forced to use a unit which would restablish my warp field then? Because I'd have no idea when the next computer player would have it and use it. So I'd have to have it to be safe rarther than sorry....that's very frustrating.
Well someone may as well have my money. I won't be pleased about paying for suscriptions when i die from a bug that should not be in the game. I don't pay for bugs and nor should anyone pay/suffer for them too.
No you target the offending craft or tower and blow them the eff up if an NPC or even PC is using such a device on you. If not accept your loss and start trying to warp you pod away cause it might be next.
Again its not a bug, Warp Scramblers and Stasis Webs are a valid part of the game, get used to it. EVE is not an easy-mode (despite what some might claim) no loss MMO. You're blaming the game for your misconceptions and ignorance. Losing a ship and all its mods hurts, and its supposed to. Just wait until you hit a gate camp and lose not only your ship but some expensive implants when the Pirates pod you, you'll really be crying then. You are keeping your clone up to date right?
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Aaron Ravenwood
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:05:00 -
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The thing is ... if hey warped you and webbed you ... you didn't die to a bug.
Webbing you will fix you in space so you can't move the ship normally.
Warp Scrambling you will keep your ship's warp drive from working.
Yeah, Warp Scramblers and Webber's are a pain ... but that's part of the game.
What you have to do is be able to kill the guy warping/webbing you or break their lock with ECM.
Of course, while you're doing that - you need to have a strong enough tank to keep from being blown up and a good enough capacitor to keep your tank running.
Also, sometimes it helps a good bit to run a mission with friends or an alt. If you get into trouble sometimes they can bail you out of it. Of course flying with people you don't know can get you ganked but then that's what Corporations are for.
As to fitting Warp Core Stabilizer's - yeah - you can do that but it ruins your range. Essentially the penalty the module imposes is so great that it is really only for commercial ships to protect themselves against warships - not for use by warships that need to be able to strike back at their enemies instead of just running away.
If you have a really good afterburner and a really good cap then you CAN move while webbed. None of the webbers stop you completely but if you aren't tanked well ... you won't live long enough to get out of range of a web tower and ... you'll never out run a ship.
One thing about EVE is that it is really easy to lose really expensive stuff - through no fault of the games.
Thus, it pays to have a good sized cash reserve, spare ships and to not get yourself into things you can't handle.
Mostly, it's better to stay with cruisers and run lower level missions until you have your support skills, Engineering, Electronics, Navigation, Mechanic well fleshed out and a good tank fitted to your ship.
That way ... if you do lose a ship ... it won't cost you nearly as much.
If you don't want to risk losing something you've spent a month working to gain ... then don't fly it - or - yeah ... go play another game.
No one likes losing a ship but losing ships is part of this game and ... it doesn't take a bug to make it happen.
Oh ... one other thing ... sometimes ... if you have a rock or a can right in front of your ship ... it can't move then either. If you see your ship starting to wobble back and forth like it can't make up it's mind which way it wants to go ... adjust your point of view so you can see if there's something right in front of your ship. If you're POV is from behind the thrusters ... sometimes they can be something in front of the ship that you can't see because the body of the ship is blocking it.
*shrug*
GL Here or in whatever other game you decide to play.
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Mad Smash
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:06:00 -
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Huh..no I said there was a glitch stopping me from moving anywhere then just before I was totally dead they warp prevented me thus sealing my doom...
Had I not got stuck I could have ran off earlier because they were not close enough to use the warp device.
I'm not sure on the mission name, but it was from a L3 agent, quality zero part 3/3. Only paid about 600k as well.
I can only tell you it was the final 3rd part of a mission. It involved warping to an accelaration gate, after killing a few weak ships the next area was filled with about 20-30 ships. I think I just had to take them all out and recover something. Oh and this mission proceeded a mission in which I had to recover caldari corpses.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 21/02/2008 20:11:02
Originally by: Mad Smash
I'm not mining, it takes forever to make just 500k.
It takes my newbie alt of a few weeks exactly half an hour to make 500k mining, and he's in a Gallente cruiser.
You lost a Drake and are going to leave because of it, shrug. There are multiple posts on these boards advocating for insurance, and for not rushing into a ship that costs too much that you can't afford to lose.
Good luck.
EDIT: Your glitch? Sounds like lag to me. Things freeze up then your client catches up with the server, and you discover you've been warp-jammed all along and are already into hull. They'll ask for your logs to be attached to the petition, and they'll check their logs, and make a decision.
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Mad Smash
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:10:00 -
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Ok I don't know much about the game but it was a bug. I've had the field thing surround me before and slow me to about 50m/sec. There was no field this time I was simply stuck. I can't explain it but it was without a doubt some sort of error. Besides, with the field that slows you down you can still move and change the direction of the ship. I couldn't do either. I was just frozen solid. There's nothing I can do but I do feel better for moaning about it in this thread....
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Mad Smash
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:14:00 -
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Ok so I'm not leaving the game....sometimes we say something stupid when angry. But it was a certain bug thats for sure. I;ve lost my ships and its mods from a bug, thats not really my fault. There shouldn't be bugs....the game was patched not long ago, what was done? I've experienced some odd ship behaviour when flying right near objects/towers etc before, but nothing like this. Stuck in the mud. I could risk mining in a low security zone but I just KNOW I'll get raped. I'll just repeat missions over and over for a week and see where I end up. I'll be relying on finding objects in wrecks.
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Aaron Ravenwood
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:14:00 -
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OK. Did you have this glowing mist around your ship?
If you did - you were being webbed and that's why you couldn't move.
If you didn't ... then ... unless there was some can in front of you you didn't see ... there may have been a glitch. You aren't the first person to complain about something like this happening.
There was a guy some time back who lost 3 expensive ships in the same spot. He could fly all around that spot and not have a problem but if he got into that spot - his ship got stuck (or so he said). The first time he didn't know what happened. The second time he was trying to salvage his own wreck and it got the second ship as well. The third time he was trying to confirm what was happening for a bug report.
In the end ... I don't think they gave him anything ... which he wasn't to happy about ...
*shrug*
But it wouldn't hurt to try.
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Ravenwood
If you didn't ... then ... unless there was some can in front of you you didn't see ... there may have been a glitch. You aren't the first person to complain about something like this happening.
Things don't need to be directly in front of you to prevent your ship from traveling in that direction. If they are close enough, they can stop you even if they are off to one side. In such cases you need to fly directly away from the object until you have enough clearance to turn to your desired heading.
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Xindi Kraid
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mad Smash
. Also, no the ship wasn't insured, I couldn't afford it. It's so expensive for a noob like myself. I did get 15million compensation though but yeah..
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Rule #1: Don't fly a ship you can't afford to lose and Never leave the station in an uninsured vessel.
You should file a petition but give as much info as you can
Where was this?
What was the mission
What were you up against?
What was your configuration?
Not only will more information help them figure out who's fault it is (yours or th server's) but if there is a bug will help them look into it and will make them less likeley to think you BSing them
--Bird of Prey: Forum God
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Aprudena Gist
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.21 21:07:00 -
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heh look at this little guy
You shouldn't be flying it if you can't afford to lose it there buddy.
Train up more skills and fly a cruiser doing l2 missions for now.
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Xindi Kraid
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.21 21:22:00 -
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I own a cruiser. Theres a good reason I fly my destroyer. I can afford to buy a new one
--Bird of Prey: Forum God
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.02.21 21:47:00 -
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About the bugs, you should know a couple things (and if you read the forums after each patch, you'll see they're true).
1. This is a MMO game, and they all have bugs, and the bugs are fixed by priority (with whatever brings the server down being fixed right away, and a glitch or other minor thing not being fixed for months).
2. CCP (the devs for this game) have a pretty poor track record with bugs in their code. We have a saying "train a long skill if there's a patch"; each patch has brought bugs, sometimes old ones, and with each patch there's something wrong that they need to fix. They're like kids. Anyway, if you expect a bug-free game, this is not the game for you.
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Nacho Daddy
Caldari
Ministry of Funny Walks
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Posted - 2008.02.21 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Nacho Daddy on 21/02/2008 22:06:58
Originally by: Letouk Mernel
Anyway, if you expect a bug-free game, this is not the game genre for you.
Fixt.
All MMOs are buggy, have balance issues, etc. Like it or not that is how things are.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.02.21 22:20:00 -
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you got webbed, scrammed and killed, i doubt there was a bug involved.
at least you had insurance. if you didnt then you have learnt a valuable lesson, worth more than the insurance. when i was a newbie i lost a (lulz worthy fitted) raven to a lowsec gatecamp. didnt insure it. now i do.
if you posted this in general discussion people would be asking if they could have any stuff that didnt get blown up when you quit, so at least the people in this sub forum are nice.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.02.21 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Mad Smash
Ok so I'm not leaving the game....sometimes we say something stupid when angry. But it was a certain bug thats for sure. I;ve lost my ships and its mods from a bug, thats not really my fault. There shouldn't be bugs....the game was patched not long ago, what was done? I've experienced some odd ship behaviour when flying right near objects/towers etc before, but nothing like this. Stuck in the mud. I could risk mining in a low security zone but I just KNOW I'll get raped. I'll just repeat missions over and over for a week and see where I end up. I'll be relying on finding objects in wrecks.
I'll send you a donation of a few million to help get you going again if you EVE-MAIL me in game. Use the name in this post.
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Goa Vibe
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Posted - 2008.02.21 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Goa Vibe on 21/02/2008 22:42:02
likely GM reply: Sorry we cannot reimburse you for the loss of your ship. Being scrammed and webbed is an intentional in game mechanic for the Tech Secrets mission. buhbuy, you whiner....
bug... lol...
2 months old... lost 4 drakes so far ... two nearly instantly my first try on New Frontiers 5/5... another a couple hours later in same attempt, **un-insured**. my 4th drake a week ago in same mission.... screweed up by taking diff approach - ignored drones and killed all structures first - which had released more drones ... had about 40 drones on me... TAD shy of being able to tank them all, but after a while they broke my tank.
AND I FLY WHAT I CAN AFFORD TO LOSE. I could lose 4 more RIGGED and insured drakes tonight and keep on going, with isk ive earned mining/missioning/salvaging.
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Bloody Red Souls
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mad Smash
If I lose my ship thanks to a bug that shouldn't exist I think I've got some sort of case to be able to moan if I want to. I do...it makes me feel better.
Had I been warp prevented then died then I wouldn't have any excuse. Also, no the ship wasn't insured, I couldn't afford it. It's so expensive for a noob like myself. I did get 15million compensation though but yeah..
no, you don't have a case at all. Here is the most probable sequence of events:
1) You warped into the mission only to warp into an asteroid field or something else.
2) You don't immediately manually pilot out of the field, but rather sit there for a while because you think your tank will hold.
3) You start taking a good enough amount of dps that you simply hit "Warp to" on something while still in the field.
4) Your ship does the wobble dance on an asteroid until you get scrammed by the rats and killed.
There is no problem with the game, merely a problem with the character between the seat and screen of your computer. This game has consequences that you have to deal with and react to.
You obviously didn't. Whining on a forum about this isn't going to get much sympathy either.
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