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emf Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.21 20:10:00 - [1] Edited by: emf on 21/02/2008 20:11:06 It seems everyone has their own style, opinion and method of low sec piracy. From gate camping muffins, 2003 players in rifters and pirate capital ships low sec piracy seems to have lots of variety. Lots of it is also great fun. Recently I collected most of the loot from around 2 months of active piracy in my trusty bestower. My method of piracy is usually solo or with just one other person. To date I've snagged 66 battleships (6 faction battleships), 66 battle cruisers, 9 command ships, a freighter, and a carrier. My weakness has always been never knowing when to run, I've lost 33 battleships, mostly Armageddons. I blame that on the ridiculous level of insurance coverage and the usual lack of players in low sec causing chronic boredom. Recently I collected most of the loot (sans t1 non-named loot) from around 2 months of active piracy in my trusty bestower. http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=4vbktyedrnd&thumb=6 Looks like a lot, but in reality I'd be lucky to break 200 million in sales. Lots of other isk was made from ransoms and the extremely rare faction/deadspace drop. Barring the once in a blue moon faction/deadspace loot piracy will not make anyone rich anytime soon. However I feel that it is something low SP players can easily do, a battleship needs around 2 million SP to fly decently well and the number of pirates who splatter against it in fragile battle cruisers is quite amusing. The lure of youthful innocence can actually be an advantage. So to all new players or old ones looking to get into piracy don't let all the rubbish advice restrict you to using a rifter. If you have the startup capital and can make 10 million between each battleship loss start going after the bigger game! You likely won't get rich, but its great fun and you never know. Join Knights of the Black Sun today. Contact emf in game.
Corstaad	Posted - 2008.02.21 20:14:00 - [2] Are you joking?
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.02.21 21:49:00 - [3] I think your "weakness" is what earned you my respect emf. You don't seem to back down often , if you are around so is a fight. Even though I haven't had you in my lock many times myself thats the impression I got the few times we run into each other. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Taquila	Posted - 2008.02.22 02:19:00 - [4] Bahh you mean your corp haven't kill'd 20 carriers in the last 2 month like one of your corp members said As for the post, i would highly recomend anyone that is just getting into low sec pvp/piracy to contact Emf, He has proven himself to be a worthy pvp'r from a verry young age (low sp) and is 1 of the few coughtargetscough i have respect for. Long Live Emf!!!!!!
Corstaad	Posted - 2008.02.22 03:42:00 - [5] This thread is extreme counter to anyone wanting to look into low sec. Low sp flying of BS is a recipe for fail.
emf Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.22 06:26:00 - [6] Edited by: emf on 22/02/2008 06:26:37 Originally by: Corstaad This thread is extreme counter to anyone wanting to look into low sec. Low sp flying of BS is a recipe for fail. This is the exact reason I made this thread. Low SP battleship > low SP smaller ship. I presume you fly the rifter or something like that. The only reason I see to fly one is if you find it fun and don't play to make isk. T1 frigates really have no practical use. Now an interceptor maybe it will have a role in a gang, but that requires more SP to even get into than to be able to use a battleship. Oh, and hi general coochie . Join Knights of the Black Sun today. Contact emf in game.
Ranger802004 Caldari Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.22 06:47:00 - [7] I liked fighting emf so much I eventually joined his corp, lol
ThatCpp Gallente Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2008.02.22 06:56:00 - [8] Low sec pvp in anything smaller than a BC restricts your combat to open space unless you have sentry guns on your side. Being in a larger ship opens up many more options.
Corstaad	Posted - 2008.02.22 07:00:00 - [9] Yes I fly a rifter. Your right its hella fun. If people truelly starting out and want fun. Using low sec pvp BS earliy will only get my first BS rifter kill. That said over the last few months I've gain insane amounts of support skills and eve'onomics. I can tell you your last few months of kills, KNOBS ice mining ops on tuesday,and what type of player you are. Thats not gained by getting in low sp BS. From gate camping muffins, 2003 players in rifters and pirate capital ships low sec piracy seems to have lots of variety. You sound like you conquered EVE Yarr yet just run over dudes.
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Snake Assault	Posted - 2008.02.22 09:42:00 - [10] The only real advantage I can see flying a BS with low SP is that you've got more potential targets than flying a frig with low SP. It comes with the drawback of being a very tasty target yourself, though. I still love my T1 frig, though. Can't really see myself "upgrading" it anytime soon. Anything bigger just feels too sluggish to me. And I don't have the skills to fly the agile better ships.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.22 09:55:00 - [11] I see how people who hunt low sec belt ratters can complain about lack of income from piracy, but in Art of War we're pulling in billions, tbh, if you want proper loot you should team up with a few good men and start taking on bigger things :) The money isn't in killing the odd hauler, the real money is killing every son of a ***** who happens to pass trough within 10 jumps of you. ------ Art of War is recruiting - Think you got what it takes? Buying sig - eve-mail "Jonny 101"
Niivvy Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.02.22 11:16:00 - [12] Edited by: Niivvy on 22/02/2008 11:17:19 Originally by: emf a battleship needs around 2 million SP to fly decently well and the number of pirates who splatter against it in fragile battle cruisers is quite amusing. im sorry to say this, but you cannot fly a bs well with 2 mill sp, if somone with 1/2 decent skills in a battlecruiser fights you you are gonna die. hell even a well fitted well skilled cruiser will own you. --------------------------------------------------------------
emf Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.22 15:38:00 - [13] Meh, kublai that's what I try to do. Havn't tried gate camping much though. And I really think that if you fit a battleship properly at 2 million SP you will beat any battlecruiser or cruiser of 2 million SP easily. Barring of course getting kited by a cruiser or something, but you can always fit a heavy neut or two then it really isn't a competition anymore. Of course fit it like crap which is how 2 million SP players usually fit it and you're going to lose to a rifter. The problem here is not the SP amount but the fitting, and that can be easily fixed. Join Knights of the Black Sun today. Contact emf in game.
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.02.22 15:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Corstaad This thread is extreme counter to anyone wanting to look into low sec. Low sp flying of BS is a recipe for fail. This ------------------------------------------------ Movie: + Trillion ISK damage to Care Bear community
emf Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.22 16:14:00 - [15] Edited by: emf on 22/02/2008 16:14:26 Vasili say you started a new account and wanted to get back to killing those mission runners quickly, would you use a rifter or a tempest? Join Knights of the Black Sun today. Contact emf in game.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.22 16:25:00 - [16] Originally by: emf Meh, kublai that's what I try to do. Havn't tried gate camping much though. And I really think that if you fit a battleship properly at 2 million SP you will beat any battlecruiser or cruiser of 2 million SP easily. Barring of course getting kited by a cruiser or something, but you can always fit a heavy neut or two then it really isn't a competition anymore. Of course fit it like crap which is how 2 million SP players usually fit it and you're going to lose to a rifter. The problem here is not the SP amount but the fitting, and that can be easily fixed. I'm tempted to say that i'd like to meet your 2m sp battleship but, I have a feeling all the loot would hit the refine bin very fast anyway so i'll just pass and go kill someone who can fit their ships properly. ------ Art of War is recruiting - Think you got what it takes? Buying sig - eve-mail "Jonny 101"
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2008.02.22 22:40:00 - [17] great
Avaricia The Accursed	Posted - 2008.02.22 23:20:00 - [18] Originally by: emf This is the exact reason I made this thread. Low SP battleship > low SP smaller ship. surely this is a joke. i don't even have the battleship skill in my head, let alone large turrets. i do however appreciate you giving genuinely bad advice to people; more low sp battleships for me to eat, please. griefmatic - wolf & stabber piracy
ceyriot Minmatar Crimson Rebellion	Posted - 2008.02.22 23:29:00 - [19] 200m in sales? i see a LOT more...that LG halo Alpha is worth a few, and all that blue salvage is worth some too....i say...500m in reality...if not more. --- CEO - Crimson Rebellion
eve warrior Minmatar Filthy Scum Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.22 23:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Corstaad This thread is extreme counter to anyone wanting to look into low sec. Low sp flying of BS is a recipe for fail. I am with this guy. I have killed way to many low sp bs that have heavy missels, medium shield boosters or armor reps, when they would have far better off in a bc. But anyways you are more than welcome to send these low skilled bs to my area in The Forge "Tasti". If they make it past Art of War 1st that is... Also for newer players, replacing a bs is a lot harder than replacing a bc. Fitted right a bc can tank sentrys and will give the player an idear of what to expect. I very really fly bs myself now days. Eve Warrior
Lena Kanto	Posted - 2008.02.23 00:34:00 - [21] I know there's a truth in what the OP says. A low-sp dedicated battleship pilot is no joke. Look at nos and neut power of battleships, enough to run a tank on and disable that of a BC. If you put a blaster brutix for example against a nos domi, a low-sp nos domi will likely win. A cheap ship, fully insured, tank in low, powered by highslots, tackle in the meds, damage in the drones. It won't require much sp I can tell you that. Of course, we all know the nublet-battleship pilots that we run over in lowsec. Of course not every low-sp BS pilot is a recipe for win, the OP didn't claim this. There's a difference between a stupid low-sp BS pilot that ususally makes the forums in a point & laugh topic, and the skilled low-sp BS pilot that knows what modules to fit and what choises to make, who on rare occasions like today, makes the forums posting a succes story and gets hated on cause of tradition and bias against low-sp BS pilots. And ontop of that, not every BC will neccisarily be high-skilled either. Especially a low-skilled BC pilot will lose from a low-skilled BS pilot. And that's where one can make isk, by picking targets and being smart about piracy. And the OP is proof of this. He's made isk, he's low sp, he's flying a battleship. He's properly exploited insurance and the power of large equipment, the CPU & Powergrid and Hitpoints and Module count of battleships. To the OP, good work. I salute you.
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.23 02:22:00 - [22] I've ripped apart newbies in BS while flying a Cruiser on several occasions. There are exceptions to all rules but all in all, flying a BS ineffectively is an expensive deathwish. People should always stick to what they can fly effectively. I have too many examples on newbies dying in poorly fitted BS and too many examples of effective newbie frigate pirate squadrons. Red Navy Faction for example. They started out in all rifters with less than 1 mil SP. Worked their way up and now they are all bad ass pirates that've spread out and are conquering EVE in the best way they know how. Thats my advice from a helpful standpoint. However from a pirates standpoint, I'd say yeah, fly BS if your new. More for me. I mean wow, are you just dumb or something?
emf Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.02.23 03:59:00 - [23] You guys are mostly just repeatingthe obvious, fit your battleship with heavy missile launchers and medium shield boosters and you won't be killing anyone. What I am saying is that it is NOT the 50 million SP in gunnery which makes one able to fly a battleship. If one knew how to fit a battleship properly one would do very well at extremely low SP. What do you need to fit say an armageddon for example properly? Gunnery V Amarr cruisers IV Hull upgrades IV Support skills at III Drones V and interfacing at III would help a lot of course. Really the only significant SP is gunnery V, amarr cruisers IV, hull upgrades IV and drones V. This comes up to around 800k SP. That leaves 1.2 million SP for support skills and learning. All one has to do is instead of experimenting with newbie fittings to just copy a tried and tested fitting from a more experienced player. Join Knights of the Black Sun today. Contact emf in game.
Avaricia The Accursed	Posted - 2008.02.23 04:11:00 - [24] Originally by: emf You guys are mostly just repeatingthe obvious, fit your battleship with heavy missile launchers and medium shield boosters and you won't be killing anyone. What I am saying is that it is NOT the 50 million SP in gunnery which makes one able to fly a battleship. If one knew how to fit a battleship properly one would do very well at extremely low SP. What do you need to fit say an armageddon for example properly? Gunnery V Amarr cruisers IV Hull upgrades IV Support skills at III Drones V and interfacing at III would help a lot of course. Really the only significant SP is gunnery V, amarr cruisers IV, hull upgrades IV and drones V. This comes up to around 800k SP. That leaves 1.2 million SP for support skills and learning. All one has to do is instead of experimenting with newbie fittings to just copy a tried and tested fitting from a more experienced player. rofl yes, please. griefmatic - wolf & stabber piracy
Praxis1452 The Bastards	Posted - 2008.02.23 04:22:00 - [25] I'm actually gonna agree with emf to the extent that BS's in low-sec will get you further than something such as a cruiser. Simple fact is that cruisers can't really engage on gates or stations. This leaves belts and that means... basically no targets. BC's can engage but even then sentries hurt a decent amount. BC's buffer tank pretty well but if fighting anything decent such as a good cruiser or another decently fit BC it becomes quite hard under sentry fire, especially on your drones. A BS is probably the easiest thing for someone new to be able to agress under sentry fire. Problems are BS turret tracking and their agility and speed making them unable to escape camps. However to the agility extent BC's aren't really great at escaping camps either. -------------------------------------------- ôHe who must expend his life to prolong life cannot enjoy it, and he who is still seeking for his life does not have it and can as little enjoy it"
eve warrior Minmatar Filthy Scum Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.23 09:04:00 - [26] As a pirate i think you are failing at what you do. Please dont take this the wrong way as i think you are a very good pvper, i had the pleasure of losing a tempest to you geddon and your 2 mates a long time ago and that impressed me to see someone with an orginal setup on there bs. But you dont seem to make much isk? I have been living off pure Piracy now for over 2 years and by picking the right places to camp ect you can make a lot more isk. Piracy is not about the ship you fly, its about Picking your targets, knowing how to get around hauler with scouts...ect. Just this week i have gotten 2 haulers that make me a few hundered mill, a noob in a BC could have easly killed them where as if he had been in a bs the chances of locking them would be very slim. Locking times on bs is one of the biggest draw backs when it comes to smaller targets. In the age of Nano even in a broadsword wth a sensor booster i still battle to catch a nano cruser. Yes a low skilled char in a bs may be able to tank the guns longer but he loses alot more i believe in agility, locking times ect. Just my opinion on the matter but from my experice i find bs are best used in Gangs and with faster locking ships so the sentry fire can be shared. Eve Warrior
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2008.02.23 11:26:00 - [27] Most of the posts saying that you should start pvp with a t1 frigate like a rifter don't say that because you'll get more kills that way. They say that because you WILL loose ships while you're learning pvp and with a t1 frigate, you don't loose much. With a low-sp battleship, each shiploss equals 30 mil new insurance costs down the drain. If you can sustain this cost with loot from ships you kill in your BS, then you're doing fine. Most low-skilled players won't be able too though so the general rule to learn pvp in a t1 frigate is a good rule.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2008.02.23 12:00:00 - [28] Actually I think replacing a T1 BS would cost like 10-20mill including mods (because most BS sell for like 10-15 mill under base price). Which isn't -that- much. Compare to a T2 fitted cruiser, would cost almost the same to loose. I think the BS offers a lot of options not open to the cruiser. A nice thing with frigs and cruisers is that its easier to get out if you smell a trap or if it is a camp. So they are more survivable. I think it depends on what you want to do. I'm convinced however that flying a low sp BS gives options that a t2 fitted cruiser doesn't. And what most posters in this thread seem to completely overlook is that low sp =/ bad fitting. The Vigil and The Caracal (duo PvP movie)
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:21:00 - [29] Originally by: General Coochie Actually I think replacing a T1 BS would cost like 10-20mill including mods (because most BS sell for like 10-15 mill under base price). Which isn't -that- much. Compare to a T2 fitted cruiser, would cost almost the same to loose. I think the BS offers a lot of options not open to the cruiser. A nice thing with frigs and cruisers is that its easier to get out if you smell a trap or if it is a camp. So they are more survivable. I think it depends on what you want to do. I'm convinced however that flying a low sp BS gives options that a t2 fitted cruiser doesn't. And what most posters in this thread seem to completely overlook is that low sp =/ bad fitting. BS are also slow and unmaneuverable. Two things your average solo pirate does NOT want. I mean wow, are you just dumb or something?
Daanika	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:46:00 - [30] Edited by: Daanika on 23/02/2008 16:48:20 Sounds like someone's trying to create some more targets for himself :p Originally by: emf Low SP battleship > low SP smaller ship. No, no, no. I have taken down a number of noobs in battleships with my rifter, and usually without much of a strain on my tank. Why? Because big guns track slowly, and more importantly, hit small targets with less force than big ones. You don't need skillpoints to take advantage of that mechanic, which is why low SP toons often do better in smaller ships. Unless we're talking strictly noob vs. noob (new web comic, anyone?) the only advantage I can see in using a battleship with low SP is that you have a bigger HP buffer before you pop. Of course if you personally enjoy using a battleship with low SP, awesome! If you can afford it and it's fun, why not? It's poor advice to give others though I think.

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