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Zifrian Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing 211	Posted - 2012.02.17 15:24:00 - [1] - Quote First, thanks for the recent focus on improving the game this expansion. I think it's exactly what the game needed right now. However, as someone that has done industry related activities since I started playing, I have been continually frustrated by the lack of attention to game updates for industry and manufacturing. I assure you I am not alone. Today's Devblog talks about the new player experience and I couldn't help but think how unfriendly industry is to not only new players, but vets too. Don't agree? Go set up a reaction chain or get a BPO researched and you'll quickly find out its overly cumbersome and complicated. Recent discussions by industrialists usually are apathetic because you have done little to improve this area of the game. Here is a recent such thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=69591&find=unread We have many others, but is there any possibility that you'll listen? Given that a lot of people like to blow up spaceships and you seem to want this too, isn't about time you focus some effort on those that make them? Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour!
baltec1 630	Posted - 2012.02.17 15:25:00 - [2] - Quote We only just got a load of new stuff to build
rodyas Tie Fighters Inc 393	Posted - 2012.02.17 15:27:00 - [3] - Quote Moar slots in stations plz. Signature removed, CCP Phantom
Zimmy Zeta Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate 841	Posted - 2012.02.17 15:36:00 - [4] - Quote Industry has to be cumbersome, maybe ccp should make it even more cumbersome. The main reason why industry is halfways working in eve and the 99% player driven economy is possible is because industry is cumbersome. In most other MMOs you will have the strange effect that raw materials will actually lose value if they are processed into goods- because everyone can do it and many people build stuff just because they can and do not care about operating efficiency. By making industry so annoying and cumbersome only those people who actually specialize in manufacturing can pump out high volumes of goods- and actually make profit. -.-
Zifrian Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing 211	Posted - 2012.02.17 15:46:00 - [5] - Quote baltec1 wrote: We only just got a load of new stuff to build Yes, and they are great but the market has already stablized and we are now back to the place we started - same old core process for making items. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour!
baltec1 630	Posted - 2012.02.17 16:08:00 - [6] - Quote Zifrian wrote: baltec1 wrote: We only just got a load of new stuff to build Yes, and they are great but the market has already stablized and we are now back to the place we started - same old core process for making items. Well then good news everybody! The next update is war
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 3169	Posted - 2012.02.17 16:15:00 - [7] - Quote Does the unified inventory in 1.5 count? Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 3169	Posted - 2012.02.17 16:17:00 - [8] - Quote Zimmy Zeta wrote: Industry has to be cumbersome and complicated, maybe ccp should make it even more cumbersome. The main reason why industry is halfways working in eve and the 99% player driven economy is possible is because industry is cumbersome. In most other MMOs you will have the strange effect that raw materials will actually lose value if they are processed into goods- because everyone can do it and many people build stuff just because they can and do not care about operating efficiency. By making industry so annoying and cumbersome only those people who actually specialize in manufacturing can pump out high volumes of goods- and actually make profit. edit: That is also the reason why scrapmetal reprocessing is such an important skill and should not be nerfed- close to 100% mineral yield from reprocessing should always be possible, because this is the best reinsurance that processed goods will always be worth more than the sum of the minerals used. nerf the station tax not the skill Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
Zifrian Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing 213	Posted - 2012.02.17 19:12:00 - [9] - Quote Zimmy, interesting perspective but other games don't have nearly as robust a market system as eve. Not really a reason for such a poor ui and complex system we have IMO. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour!
Valei Khurelem 330	Posted - 2012.02.17 19:27:00 - [10] - Quote Fix blueprint copying! "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium
Marcus Harikari Room Is Empty Enemy-Fleet 27	Posted - 2012.02.17 19:56:00 - [11] - Quote is this thread about veldspar? o/

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 2525	Posted - 2012.02.17 19:58:00 - [12] - Quote Veldspar!! Also please make us able to install multiple blueprints in a single click. /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Follow me on Twitter @Chribba

Rath Kelbore The Six-Pack Syndicate EVE Animal Control 21	Posted - 2012.02.17 20:02:00 - [13] - Quote Remove Tech 2 BPO's so i can make more isk! Facetious
Stig O'Tracy Pirannha Corp 0	Posted - 2012.02.17 20:11:00 - [14] - Quote Have faith all. The current and future CSM's are dominated by null sec. It is quite possible that the new CSM will be ALL null-sec, now that the major null sec alliances have tweaked to the fact that CCP is listening to the CSM to a greater degree. Once the Goons...er.... sorry, meant the new CSM is in place, they will be pressuring CCP to make all your high sec industry worries go away, as they eliminate T2 invention in high sec, nerf high sec mining further, wipe out high sec ice mining, etc. By the 2012 winter release, most Eve players won't have to worry much about industry as it will be in the hands of null sec only. Then, of course, the UI will be streamlined to make it easy to do, but not before.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 2852	Posted - 2012.02.17 20:58:00 - [15] - Quote HAHA No ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.
Das Butler GravKompagniet 2	Posted - 2012.02.17 22:01:00 - [16] - Quote 100% industry/science/miners/builders/researchers etc need a massive overhaul on the game they play. i for one dont do any of that stuff but i know. if we dont keep them playing we wont have a game to play.
Skydell Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 156	Posted - 2012.02.17 23:53:00 - [17] - Quote I've made my requests on this topic. There are too many things that have no purpose and far more that need to be repurposed. For me it means Commander tags (true Sansha, Dark Blood Shadow Serp etc), having value, either in a bounty like overseer items or LP stores or the Data Centers. Another option can be Moon mat recycle. The point is, get them usefull. Give them a Dust514 use and let me invest in it, make it part of EVE. As for manufacturing, it's all cornered. I don't know if I want CCP to break the cartels. I'm rather fond of the idea of doing it myself. I just need to be patient and on my toes.
Elanor Vega Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 100	Posted - 2012.02.18 16:22:00 - [18] - Quote Industry needs complete overhaul!!!
AureoBroker Natural Inventions Solyaris Chtonium 0	Posted - 2012.02.18 16:28:00 - [19] - Quote Chribba wrote: Veldspar!! Also please make us able to install multiple blueprints in a single click. /c And a "remember settings" checkbox!
Riley Moore Sentinum Research 331	Posted - 2012.02.18 16:43:00 - [20] - Quote Be very careful of what you wish for, the last thing we want is industry to become so easy and availible to the public that doing it doesn't make any isk at all. T1 Production ALREADY suffers from this due to public manufacturing and research slots in npc stations. Suggestion before you overhaul it all: Give more power to corporations, do this by achieving the following: Dynamic pricing on public industry/research fee's. Upwards increase of 1000% of current fees. Make public manufacturing and research slots locked until you achieve X standing with said corporation. Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524
trexinatux Bipedal Carnivore Club 25	Posted - 2012.02.18 18:39:00 - [21] - Quote CCP, why do I have to wait a full month before I can craft or research at my favorite station? It's like I chopped the wood and made the work bench, but, the workbench went on strike! Why you no work? Helpless people on subway trains...
baltec1 634	Posted - 2012.02.18 18:46:00 - [22] - Quote trexinatux wrote: CCP, why do I have to wait a full month before I can craft or research at my favorite station? It's like I chopped the wood and made the work bench, but, the workbench went on strike! Why you no work? Lots of room in low sec
Riley Moore Sentinum Research 334	Posted - 2012.02.18 19:03:00 - [23] - Quote trexinatux wrote: CCP, why do I have to wait a full month before I can craft or research at my favorite station? It's like I chopped the wood and made the work bench, but, the workbench went on strike! Why you no work? Except, you didn't make the workbench. The workbench is a public utility. There's a queue. Either go lowsec, join a corporation or make your own corporation, or wait in the queue. These public slots are horrible as it is. They counter the whole corporation aspect of eve. Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524
Solhild Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 615	Posted - 2012.02.18 19:36:00 - [24] - Quote Riley Moore wrote: Be very careful of what you wish for, the last thing we want is industry to become so easy and availible to the public that doing it doesn't make any isk at all. T1 Production ALREADY suffers from this due to public manufacturing and research slots in npc stations. Suggestion before you overhaul it all: Give more power to corporations, do this by achieving the following: Dynamic pricing on public industry/research fee's. Upwards increase of 1000% of current fees. Make public manufacturing and research slots locked until you achieve X standing with said corporation. Now I like that idea about locking slots until standings are high enough. Should be much more of that in game I think - e.g. priority dock and undock speed etc.
JitaPriceChecker2 State War Academy Caldari State 19	Posted - 2012.02.18 20:47:00 - [25] - Quote The problem with industry is that it is almost non existent in null sec except building titans.
Zifrian Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing 215	Posted - 2012.02.18 21:15:00 - [26] - Quote JitaPriceChecker2 wrote: The problem with industry is that it is almost non existent in null sec except building titans. It's getting better with PI but the lack of T2 production is a problem. I realize the moon mats come from null but not all alliances have access to all moons. Perhaps alchemy should be expanded but a better idea would be to look at options for making T2 components in null that don't require trips to empire. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour!
Miss Whippy Bloody Limeys 76	Posted - 2012.02.18 21:38:00 - [27] - Quote +1 for OP. Industry is one of the ultimate click-fests. The amount of windows you have to go through JUST to perform ANY industry task is utterly ridiculous. People saying it's complicated to stop everyone from doing it clearly have never tried it. It's the limitations of the number of tasks you can perform which limit production, not the utterly tedious click-fest. 1. Reduce number of windows required to ONE for every task. I've never understood why we need several different windows to perform ONE task. 2. Reduce clickage massively. 3. Here's a REALLY IMPORTANT ONE. Allow cost estimates based on the lowest price for materials. With the option to base estimate on lowest prices within Current System, 1 jump, 2, jumps, 3 jumps, etc.. these options should be available from the blueprint window. 4. You should also be able to automatically order required minerals for a BP based on the number of runs you want to provide for, and the number of jumps you are prepared to travel to pick them up. I think industry UI is second to the Market windows in terms of being unintuative and time-wasting. Slowing down rates of production is NO JUSTIFICATION for it at all. it is stupid. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 282	Posted - 2012.02.19 01:07:00 - [28] - Quote I am always concerned when asking CCP to streamline stuff. So far, sometimes they do it right, but a lot of times they just dumb down the game, other times they make it worse. Example of done right: being able to drag a selection over items and perform like the last decade applications. Example of dumbing down: the ice blocks. What if I don't need 100% POS capability for any reason? In the past I could offline stuff and save on materials. Now I can't, and this is a WoW-like "take the players by the hand and force on them what to do and how". They could have un-stupidified the POS UI and made 2 blocks (1 for fuel, 1 for actually used services) or made ice block + separate LO. But no, they took it all away altogether. Second dumbing down example: the CTRL + lock worked so good. Now we got the "mouseover lock". And of course, imposed the new way with no "use old behavior" for those who felt comfortable with that. Another streamline to force a certain gameplay. Make it worse example: New neocom behavior. Hello, from tomorrow your windows will stupidly close all the time. We won't even remove the minimize button, just keep it there so you are reminded how more freedom you had in the past, and now you don't. Furthermore we remove the date from the clock, make the portrait minuscule by default and move all the most useful icons in some well nested menus you have to go dig by yourself. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
SigmaPi Valkyr Industries Late Night Alliance 1	Posted - 2012.02.19 04:09:00 - [29] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Example of dumbing down: the ice blocks. What if I don't need 100% POS capability for any reason? In the past I could offline stuff and save on materials. Now I can't, and this is a WoW-like "take the players by the hand and force on them what to do and how". They could have un-stupidified the POS UI and made 2 blocks (1 for fuel, 1 for actually used services) or made ice block + separate LO. But no, they took it all away altogether. As someone who deals with POS's far too regularly, I whole heartedly disagree with this. Saving a few pennies here and there was not worth the mind-numming irritation of dealing with changing and different fuel requirements in every pos for no reason. This was by far a 'good thing' and not just dumbing down. That being said, everyone is entitled to their own perspective, but likewise, don't just make a blanket statement that something is worse because you think so.
Valei Khurelem 335	Posted - 2012.02.19 04:20:00 - [30] - Quote Riley Moore wrote: trexinatux wrote: CCP, why do I have to wait a full month before I can craft or research at my favorite station? It's like I chopped the wood and made the work bench, but, the workbench went on strike! Why you no work? Except, you didn't make the workbench. The workbench is a public utility. There's a queue. Either go lowsec, join a corporation or make your own corporation, or wait in the queue. These public slots are horrible as it is. They counter the whole corporation aspect of eve. Have you been to lowsec or 0.0? The problem is just as bad there and from what I've seen I swear alliances keep certain places open so they can gank some gullible people looking to copy bluepriints. We need more public lab slots to compensate for the amount of people in EVE now, the system is clearly very old and it needs to adapt. I've managed to spot a couple of promising places to use copying stations but there really is hardly anything, you have jackasses spamming the queue to 40 days in some cases so there's no way a noob is going to have the time or the patience to deal with that. Oh and don't even think about telling a noob to get a high sec PoS, you know how expensive they are. "don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium

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