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nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2008.02.22 16:01:00 - [1] What is going on that when I pull out drones everything in the room aggros my drones? But if I shoot at a group, I just get aggro from that group. I even went out past 200km and it still happened every time. Is this a bug or something? Why wouldn't NPCs target my ship and just let me fly around and even shoot their buddies, but when I pull out my drones they can target me and fire from across space and back? -------------------- Jonas 'Jonesey' Arniman callsign: nethervoid CEO Shrapnel Industries "You like to blow s** up, and we like to make that possible."* PubChan: SHRAP
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2008.02.22 16:30:00 - [2] Mainly this problem is with the Bruitix, which is fitted purely for drone DPS, with one gun just for pulling. But then when the drones come out after I pull one group with the gun, the rest of the room aggros the drones right away, so I just have to pull them back in. This means I can't use my drones at all, and it doesn't matter if I'm 200km+ away or not, the room still aggros my drones no matter what. -------------------- Jonas 'Jonesey' Arniman callsign: nethervoid CEO Shrapnel Industries "You like to blow s** up, and we like to make that possible."* PubChan: SHRAP
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Retreat Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.02.22 16:43:00 - [3] Why are you using a Brutix as a drone boat when the Myrmidon fills that role much better? Apart from that, some missions have the situation you describe, you'll have to learn (or look up) which missions those are and adjust accordingly. Wheither it's a bug or a feature is rather irrelevant at this point since it's a wellknown fenomena and CCP seems unwilling to change it.
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2008.02.22 16:50:00 - [4] So when I get offered a mission from that list just skip it huh? Cause all my skills are focused on drones at the moment, and I can't kill anything without them. -------------------------- And I actually don't know why the Brutix is the ship of choice (besides the drone damage mod on the Brutix + drone bay). This is actually a problem my friend is having. I fly a Rokh. -------------------- Jonas 'Jonesey' Arniman callsign: nethervoid CEO Shrapnel Industries "You like to blow s** up, and we like to make that possible."* PubChan: SHRAP
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Retreat Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.02.22 17:00:00 - [5] Edited by: Mastin Dragonfly on 22/02/2008 17:01:00 The Brutix is a gun boat, it's bigger brother the Myrmidon is the drone boat. And yes, if you solely rely on drones, then you better skip those missions.
notaway Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.22 17:16:00 - [6] I think the problem could be another matter entirely--have u checked ur drone settings? If u don't have it set on Focus Fire then the drones could be shooting at ships that u have not aggroed... I set on Focus Fire and Passive and use hot keys to Engage each target....if a new drone spawn comes out I immediately recall the drones and wait till the spawn has targeted my ship and then I redeploy the drones again--don't have a problem...
FistinYall Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.22 17:17:00 - [7] Yes, I've encountered this many times. It's not all missions though, but it does make for a tough time missioning in a drone boat. Maybe make a constructive post over in Features & Ideas if you'd like to see it changed.
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2008.02.22 18:23:00 - [8] Yeah he's using the drone battleship, whatever that name is. It's definitely not an attack issue because we're 200km out from the other ships when it happens, although I guess if they passive agress them maybe it causes this, but that would surprise me. And yeah I was helping him blast stuff, and the room would then aggro me. So what we tried to do is he would pull his drones out to temp grab aggro, and then I would start firing (on the local group we had pulled out to 200km), and so I could then blow up a ship while the 200km groups had the drones targeted. Once I was firing, he would pull in his drones so he didn't lose them. Well this worked for the first group, but we couldn't split up the other groups this way. It was the lv 4 'The Assault'. Is that a particularly hard mission? I looked it up on eve-survival, and I don't think it mentioned anything about the drone problem or the mission being particularly deadly or anything (we warped out several times - I'm so glad there were no scram frigs). -------------------- Jonas 'Jonesey' Arniman callsign: nethervoid CEO Shrapnel Industries "You like to blow s** up, and we like to make that possible."* PubChan: SHRAP
Arkedon Caldari Pegasus Knights	Posted - 2008.02.22 19:24:00 - [9] Certain missions do this. If you rely purely on drones then you will probably have no other choice but to skip these missions - which sucks really. The same missions that aggro your drones, will also aggro any gang member who warps in. Watch the screen fill up with missiles the moment your friend warps in, even if the rats are over 100km away and never aggro'd when you were alone.
Daelen Arniman	Posted - 2008.02.22 19:24:00 - [10] I'm the buddy Nether Void is referring to. I fly a Dominix and as he stated my DPS comes from drones. For missions like Lvl 4, "The Assult" I guess I would be better off just fitting some large hybrids and pulling the groups separately?

Yargo Metash Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.22 19:38:00 - [11] Indeed, I've had some drone problems with that mission before, but now that I keep a tight leash on them I haven't had the problem you're referring too. Heck, I pull the sensor jamming cruisers first... And I HAVE to use my drones to kill that lot, since they orbit around 14km, and they damp me down to 11km locking range But I've only drawn full-room aggro with drones a couple times. The Passive/Focus fire setting realllly helped in that regard.
Kusha'an Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.22 19:50:00 - [12] Originally by: nether void So when I get offered a mission from that list just skip it huh? Cause all my skills are focused on drones at the moment, and I can't kill anything without them. -------------------------- And I actually don't know why the Brutix is the ship of choice (besides the drone damage mod on the Brutix + drone bay). This is actually a problem my friend is having. I fly a Rokh. I don't think you need to skip any missions. There is a possible solution for this situation you're in. Use sentries. I'm just like your friend, I have mediocre gunnery skills but good drone skills. Using Wardens allows you to hit targets at 50+ km. The enemy will target your sentries, it's true. But you can remote rep them, and the enemy does have to get fairly close to start doing damage. Once the drones start getting hit for real, pull them in and watch the enemy return to their places. Then start over. Eventually you'll get a small group to separate itself from the rest, and when they approach within 20km, just put out your regular T2 drones and pop them. They should not aggro the rest of the room at that point, and even if they do, the damage will be slight as the near group will be far from the rest of the NPCs. Hope that made sense.
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2008.02.22 20:19:00 - [13] Originally by: Kusha'an Originally by: nether void So when I get offered a mission from that list just skip it huh? Cause all my skills are focused on drones at the moment, and I can't kill anything without them. -------------------------- And I actually don't know why the Brutix is the ship of choice (besides the drone damage mod on the Brutix + drone bay). This is actually a problem my friend is having. I fly a Rokh. I don't think you need to skip any missions. There is a possible solution for this situation you're in. Use sentries. I'm just like your friend, I have mediocre gunnery skills but good drone skills. Using Wardens allows you to hit targets at 50+ km. The enemy will target your sentries, it's true. But you can remote rep them, and the enemy does have to get fairly close to start doing damage. Once the drones start getting hit for real, pull them in and watch the enemy return to their places. Then start over. Eventually you'll get a small group to separate itself from the rest, and when they approach within 20km, just put out your regular T2 drones and pop them. They should not aggro the rest of the room at that point, and even if they do, the damage will be slight as the near group will be far from the rest of the NPCs. Hope that made sense. Hmm I'm not sure my friend has tried that. He does use sentries, etc. One of his other issues becomes the jamming at that point, but I guess you just have to deal with the jamming and try to pick off the jammers when you can. Would fitting a signal strength booster help ward off the jamming when you have 4 or more jammers on you? -------------------- Jonas 'Jonesey' Arniman callsign: nethervoid CEO Shrapnel Industries "You like to blow s** up, and we like to make that possible."* PubChan: SHRAP
Valentina Gallatoire	Posted - 2008.02.22 20:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Daelen Arniman I'm the buddy Nether Void is referring to. I fly a Dominix and as he stated my DPS comes from drones. For missions like Lvl 4, "The Assult" I guess I would be better off just fitting some large hybrids and pulling the groups separately? No. What you need to do is fit your domi to tank the entire mission and then get aggro from the enemies before you release your drones. Be careful in the second room of The Assault (Guristas) because if you accidentally spawn the second wave then it might break your tank if you don't have enough DPS. No need to skip any missions in a Domi or rely on rails. Also, ignore the other posters about drones not being practical in missions. They don't know what they are talking about.
notaway Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.23 19:19:00 - [15] Exactly Valentina--When Trinity deployed new drone settings came with it that gave a lot more control over what the drones attack and how they do so and I think a lot of ppl are still not aware of same.. I love the fact that ALL my drones fire at the target that I choose using Focus Fire and Passive. That way I can avoid killing the ship that will create the next spawn until I am ready. Some ppl prefer the Focus Fire and Aggressive settings but I like total control--lol
Ezekiel Sulastin Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.02.24 06:08:00 - [16] If you're in a drone boat with massive tanking capabilities (i.e. Dominix, Ishtar) and know you're coming up to a mission that does the full aggro thing, just switch to a heavy permatank and get the room shooting you beforehand. The Dominix can mount a hefty dual LAR tank, especially vs. Serpentis (1186 for me), and the Ishtar can go dual MAR or passive shield (1024 or 1347, respectively). Also, sentries are great to have :) ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO
Ashina Sito Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.02.24 06:25:00 - [17] Edited by: Ashina Sito on 24/02/2008 06:25:29 The Aassult sucks in a Domi. Here is how I do it, if I remember right. It's been a while. (Thank God) -Warp in. -Turn around and fly away from the spawns. -get some speed and a bit of distance and agro the second spawn from the left. -keep flying and let the damping cruisers close until they are within lock range. -Lock and attack with guns. -Pull out drones and attack cruisers, make sure the drones stay close. -start clearing the BS spawns making sure that your still kiting the BSs away form the rest of the spawns. -Stop the ship and repeat with the spawn 3rd from the left. -pull the ships to you with guns, engage with drones when the ships get close. At this point things start to fall apart. Ususaly about half way through killing the second spawn the spawn on the right aggros the drones. Keep them close and pull into your drone bay. They agroed ships will fly back to their spawn. Redeploy, attack and repeat when the those ships agro your drones again. By this time I have over half the second spawn down and I turn about and head to the gate. Eventually everything agros and I just tank it all and everything is dead by the time I get to the gate. NEVER use Sentries, they agro the whole room right off the bat. I stick with medium drones simply because they move faster and that makes them less likely to get popped if I miss seeing they have agro again. (I hate the new damage bars for drones, I usualy don't see that my drones are under attack until they have lost all their shields.) I hate the Aassult but have made it a quest of mine to getting completing it down. I hate rogue drones more so I save my turn downs for those mission. Bountyless drone poo filled annoying freaking * damn **ing drones.... sorry... still bitter about finding a 5/10 drone complex this week. ARGH!!!
notaway Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.24 07:18:00 - [18] Hmmm just saw another thread on mission gangs and there someone indicated that use of a gang/fleet will cause all groups to aggro which is apparently not the case if u fly solo. It was indicated that ccp made this change in response to mission farming.
Gaius Lex	Posted - 2008.02.24 09:38:00 - [19] Edited by: Gaius Lex on 24/02/2008 09:38:31 Quote: I had that happen to me a few weeks ago in the 2nd stage of lvl 4 World Collide, when I figured I'd kill the inties that webbed my partner down, bad mojo. you probably shot at the spies. any shot at them aggros the whole room. best to destroy each group in turn but leave the two spy ships till you're fighting the last group
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.02.24 12:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Ashina Sito Edited by: Ashina Sito on 24/02/2008 06:25:29 <stuff> Which Assault version are you doing? I tend to clear the Guristas version with Sentries (it takes forever, very particular targeting order, very close watch on the drones and a dozen rescoops to save the drones, though). Definitely a mission better done in a Rokh, Mega or Raven though. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth

Iracham Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.24 13:34:00 - [21] L4 serpentis assault becomes very hard (particularly the first room) if you hit the trigger battleships (trigger is ANY hostile action on either of the two BS, so prior to passive/focus fire, drones were almost impossible to use in this mission as any stray shot would cause the mission to suck severely), once the reinforcements are present, every ship in the room will become agroed (this persists even if you warp out, unless you kill the 4 reinforcement BS before warping out.)
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.24 13:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Gaius Lex Edited by: Gaius Lex on 24/02/2008 09:38:31 Quote: I had that happen to me a few weeks ago in the 2nd stage of lvl 4 World Collide, when I figured I'd kill the inties that webbed my partner down, bad mojo. you probably shot at the spies. any shot at them aggros the whole room. best to destroy each group in turn but leave the two spy ships till you're fighting the last group Actually if you are alone in the mission you can shoot the spies just fine. Only when a second entity shoots them (that can be either drones or a buddy), the whole room lights up. This is why I only ever do this mission in missile boats, since that allows me to kill the spies early on. And always killing the scramblers ASAP is my prime directive in missions. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Ashina Sito Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.02.24 18:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Jurgen Cartis Which Assault version are you doing? Haha.. assumptions FTW. I was speaking of the Serpentis mission. I mission in Gallente Space so I never see Guistas. I should have mentioned that. Originally by: Iracham L4 serpentis assault becomes very hard (particularly the first room) if you hit the trigger battleships Thanks Ira, I figured as much but hadn't gotten that far in figureing out the mission to know for sure about the BS triggers. I was thinking of putting that in my post but since I wasn't sure about it I did not want to sow missinformation.
Kusha'an Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.25 17:21:00 - [24] Edited by: Kusha''an on 25/02/2008 17:24:16 Originally by: nether void Hmm I'm not sure my friend has tried that. He does use sentries, etc. One of his other issues becomes the jamming at that point, but I guess you just have to deal with the jamming and try to pick off the jammers when you can. Would fitting a signal strength booster help ward off the jamming when you have 4 or more jammers on you? If you can get your sentries attacking the ships before the jamming, they will keep attacking (and re-engaging) even when your targeting is off. So what I do is just wait out the jamming and keep a close eye on my sentries to see which one gets the aggro. When his shield starts turning red I pull him back in and replace him with another drone. It usually takes the NPC rats 30 SECONDS OR MORE to re-aggro. I can kill a ship or two by then. Once they re-aggro, pull in and replace again. Rinse and repeat. I did this and got through an entire mission without my ship being shot at. Unbelievable. Note; This tactic most effective in missions without insta-aggro.


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