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dalman
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Posted - 2004.04.03 21:55:00 -
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No. It's been that way from the beginning.
Fairly new players that really are good gamers doesn't really have a problem to move out and be members of an alliance if they want to.
And that players make that much in outer space is a myth.
Most players out there are there for PvP, not for some "who can get most isk before he quits"-contest.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.04.03 22:11:00 -
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I would whole heartedly agree, to me the ore distro needs tweaking to make 0.4 - 0.1 more profitable , with alliances covering all the major mining points it is crippling the smaller players with the hiked up zyd and mega prices.
WHat takes alliances a few hours to make is impossible even in unsecure empire space.
You sir, has no idea at all about things.
You can mine ore worth a ****load of money in empire without taking any risk at all.
Mining in 0.0 requires lots of transportation and is a big risk from both players and NPCs.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.04.03 22:27:00 -
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"No flaming", well, I only told him/her the truth.
"How is Stain these day by the way??"
Best ore in Stain is Gneiss. And if you try to mine a whole day you'll for sure get a spawn of 1x1M + 2x750k battleships + 6x85k cruisers spawning upon you (within scrambling/webbing range).
If you want ark you need to mine at least 10 jumps from a station. You'll sure as **** get battleship NPCs spawning right on top of you there too, and you'll have hostile frigates trying to pop your industrials.
If you use one of the new stations... well, only 1/3 of them has refinery. If you start some full-scale mining close to them you'll have an enemy fleet of 20 battleships there pretty soon.
So tell me how the person that I "flamed" can claim what he/she did?
We're having fun and doing just fine though.
But if we went into empire mining with our corp, we would do more money and not take any risks at all.
But we're in this game for PvP.
That's the difference.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.04.03 22:47:00 -
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No.
Because the point is: YOU CAN'T RUN A BIG MINING OP IN 0.0 SPACE.
You can have 1, 2, 3 maybe 4 guys "ninja mining".
They will do HUGE profits.
But you can't mine with all your corp. Only a fraction of your corp can mine.
Looking at a few individuals, they make much better profit it 0.0 space.
Looking at a whole corp, the corp makes better profit in empire space.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
dalman
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Posted - 2004.04.03 22:59:00 -
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Then logic dictates that you split your miing ops up and make even more profits than the empire miners. 
There are 2 entrances to stain. There are 1 station in catch, 1 in esoteria and 1 in paragorn soul with refineries.
Total of 5 possible places to ship your ore.
Only in our corp, we have like 20 members online. -> 5 groups of 4 ninja mining at each place.
Add all the other corps...
That logic doesn't work.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.04.03 23:15:00 -
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of course you make **** loads of money in alliance space, dont even try to deny it! see FA for example, what do you think they are doing now? MINING ARKONOR!!!
Well, go out there and mine their ark you too. Or stop them from mining it.
Shouldn't be that hard, right?
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you can see it everywhere, the alliance dudes whining becouse battleships is so easy to replace but for us in empire space its difficult and will take days...
Bull****.
Tier 2 battleship with standard mods = 110M.
Insurance payout = 105M.
Insurance cost = 35M.
Something like that, right (or even less loss)?
Total loss = 40M.
An apoc mining in empire brings in that in 2 days without taking any risk at all.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.04.03 23:26:00 -
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and so did one solo miner in 0.0 , let alone two whoe cleared 140 mill in 6 hours now explain to me how i can mine 70 mill in 6 hours in empire?
If its possible I'd really like to know how
No, you can't. And I already explained it.
Reposting it for you:
Because the point is: YOU CAN'T RUN A BIG MINING OP IN 0.0 SPACE.
You can have 1, 2, 3 maybe 4 guys "ninja mining".
They will do HUGE profits.
But you can't mine with all your corp. Only a fraction of your corp can mine.
Looking at a few individuals, they make much better profit it 0.0 space.
Looking at a whole corp, the corp makes better profit in empire space.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
dalman
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Posted - 2004.04.03 23:29:00 -
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how can i mine in their space? its locked down...
It's not locked down unless they have large mobile warpdisruptors at all the entrances guarded 23/7. I seriously doubt that they have.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
dalman
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Posted - 2004.04.03 23:34:00 -
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40 mil in two days with a single Apoc in Empire ..... you must be playing a different game pal.
You do know that an Apoc with good mining skills brings in 1080 m^3 ore per minute, right?
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
dalman
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Posted - 2004.04.04 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Ulendar on 04/04/2004 17:59:20
I don't think its impossible for a new character to get upto speed and make his fortune in EVE...
The only difference is that in level threadmill type games you max out at some point and people which be able to catch up easyer. In EVE there is no such thing as maxing out. There is always another skill you can train and new skills being added.
Yea, well, look here:
A tempest user, he's using large projectiles and cruise missiles.
He wants to max out his damage.
Now, 1.25/1.2 = 4.17%
Training both these skills from lvl 4 to 5 takes a total of 2 months.
So, 2 months of training gives him and advantage of 4% better damage output in combat.
While a new player never can catch up, the difference between the old and the new fast becomes very small...
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
dalman
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Posted - 2004.04.05 12:47:00 -
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40 mil in two days with a single Apoc in Empire ..... you must be playing a different game pal.
You do know that an Apoc with good mining skills brings in 1080 m^3 ore per minute, right?
You know thats bull****, right?
Apoc = 8xminer2s, plus 10 harv drones.
8xminer2 = 8x60m3x1.25(mining 5)x1.25(astro5) = 750 x 0.90 (abt 90% effeciency because of roid switching / moving around) = 675m3 / min
10xharvester = 10*30m3x1.25(mining drones 5) = 375 x 0.60 (abt 60% effeciency because of drones moving to roid then back, plus roid switching / moving around) = 225m3 / min
this leads to a practical maximum of 900m3/min, given you had rather large roids to mine, and you are in 1.0/0.9, where you dont have to worry about pirates blowing up the drones.
You'll need a dedicated hauler for this mining output, but you need those for 0.0 as well.
Fact is, a very skilled miner can make 2.5 mils-3.0mils / hour on a good day in empire space. That will not make you 'rich'. Definitely not compared to the richness of 0.0.
Besides all that, the theoretical maximum is 1125, not 1080.
But WTF
1. If you make 3M/hour in empirespace, then it doesn't take more than 2 days to get 40M...
2. 0.6 efficiency on drones? Ever heard of moving closer to the roid?
3. I know the damn maximum output. But anyone who has astreology lvl 5 does not need to worry about losing his ship...
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