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Scipio Tranquilitas
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Posted - 2008.02.25 23:32:00 -
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What possible justification is there for the insane difference in subscription costs between Europe and the rest of the world?
$14.95 - the cost to American users - comes out at a fraction over 10 Euros.
So why am I being asked to pay a FIFTY PERCENT PREMIUM simply because I live in Europe?!
Living in the UK, I'm used to being ripped off for most things, but not usually by the vast margin of 50% more. For regular, real-world goods, the explanations given are pretty lame, but at least you can believe there might be some truth to claims of higher distribution costs and so on.
In the case of a virtual product, with zero distribution costs and complete global homogeneity, there is no defence whatsoever.
The game is great, but I am not going to be made a fool of by the price. There is no way I would subscribe KNOWING that I was being insulted by a pricing strategy that takes me for an idiot. One game, one price.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.02.25 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 25/02/2008 23:39:40
Edited by: MotherMoon on 25/02/2008 23:38:43
what is the possible justification of a Ps3 costing 400 pounds there but 400 $ here?
what is the possible justification that WoW cost 15 pounds there but 15 $ here?
what is the possible justification that gas cost 3$ in home town and 5$ in new york!
what is the possible justification that you get paid 10 pounds a hour and I get paid 10$ an hour for the same job? just because they are different countries...
I mean really it's the same with steam.
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Karanth
Gallente
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.02.25 23:38:00 -
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Lobby your government to lower taxes, or exempt internet goods. Either that, or move.
(Or do what others do, and buy GTCs.)
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Jonny MoJo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.25 23:39:00 -
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When the price was originally set, the exchange rate made the numbers accurate. They never changed them since then
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Ex0101
Gallente
Malicious Intentions
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.25 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ex0101 on 25/02/2008 23:46:38
The majority of mmo's now have different pricing for Europe and otherwise, its common thing, although the price difference in eve is a little more over the years with currency exchange rates changing.
But Who the hell in europe pays a CCP subscription anyway?
Buy a GTC like everyone else does and its the same price as the states then
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.25 23:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Karanth
Lobby your government to lower taxes, or exempt internet goods. Either that, or move.
(Or do what others do, and buy GTCs.)
Yeah you're right 17.5% = 50%.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.02.26 00:16:00 -
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Its not just VAT it's perceived value of goods and services.
There's a higher perceived value of goods and services in Europe, everything costs an arm and a leg.
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Shurikane
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Posted - 2008.02.26 00:25:00 -
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Aren't most prices in Europe tax-inclusive though? My memory isn't quite fresh on this but last time I went in Europe, everything seemed expensive until you realized that the taxes were all already taken into account, rather than added up once you went to the cashier...
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Anson Niven
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Posted - 2008.02.26 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Scipio Tranquilitas
In the case of a virtual product, with zero distribution costs and complete global homogeneity, there is no defence whatsoever.
I'm sure CCP will be very angry to find out that the bandwidth bills they are getting are fakes.
Also, we americans are getting a discount because the latency lowers the value of the game to us. 
Your rant is silly.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.02.26 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Scipio Tranquilitas
What possible justification is there for the insane difference in subscription costs between Europe and the rest of the world?
$14.95 - the cost to American users - comes out at a fraction over 10 Euros.
So why am I being asked to pay a FIFTY PERCENT PREMIUM simply because I live in Europe?!
Living in the UK, I'm used to being ripped off for most things, but not usually by the vast margin of 50% more. For regular, real-world goods, the explanations given are pretty lame, but at least you can believe there might be some truth to claims of higher distribution costs and so on.
In the case of a virtual product, with zero distribution costs and complete global homogeneity, there is no defence whatsoever.
The game is great, but I am not going to be made a fool of by the price. There is no way I would subscribe KNOWING that I was being insulted by a pricing strategy that takes me for an idiot. One game, one price.
Exchange rates.
Sorry, but CCP dont define the world echonomy.
yet.. 
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
Damage over Time
Angels Of Discord
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Posted - 2008.02.26 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Scipio Tranquilitas
So why am I being asked to pay a FIFTY PERCENT PREMIUM simply because I live in Europe?!
(1) VAT is included in the euro price, this explains part of the difference in pricing.
(2) The dollar has been dropping like a rock, while prices have not been adjusted. CCP is based in Europe, this means that they would likely increase the dollar price rather than the euro price, and that means that Europeans aren't paying too much, but others too little. By complaining about this, you might screw a very large percentage of EVE players into paying more for their subscription - not a very nice thing to do to the community.
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Scipio Tranquilitas
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Posted - 2008.02.26 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
By complaining about this, you might screw a very large percentage of EVE players into paying more for their subscription - not a very nice thing to do to the community.
Right, I should shut up, take it on the chin and think happily how half of the community is getting to pay 1/3 less than I do?
The GTC solution might work, but the bizarre nonsense of ordering pieces of paper and paying to have them mailed to me in order to play an online game is a perverse inversion of Occam's razor.
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Terra Fe
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.26 03:36:00 -
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Well lucky for you, that isn't how GTCs work. Get one of say shattered crystal, and they simply email the code to you which you can enter straight into your account on this site.
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Vasili vonHolst
Minmatar
Gargamel's Lair
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Posted - 2008.02.26 03:41:00 -
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Edited by: Vasili vonHolst on 26/02/2008 03:41:00
Originally by: Estel Arador
Right, I should shut up, take it on the chin and think happily how half of the community is getting to pay 1/3 less than I do?
The GTC solution might work, but the bizarre nonsense of ordering pieces of paper and paying to have them mailed to me in order to play an online game is a perverse inversion of Occam's razor.
This made me lol
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Posted - 2008.02.26 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Scipio Tranquilitas
What possible justification is there for the insane difference in subscription costs between Europe and the rest of the world?
$14.95 - the cost to American users - comes out at a fraction over 10 Euros.
So why am I being asked to pay a FIFTY PERCENT PREMIUM simply because I live in Europe?!
Living in the UK, I'm used to being ripped off for most things, but not usually by the vast margin of 50% more. For regular, real-world goods, the explanations given are pretty lame, but at least you can believe there might be some truth to claims of higher distribution costs and so on.
In the case of a virtual product, with zero distribution costs and complete global homogeneity, there is no defence whatsoever.
The game is great, but I am not going to be made a fool of by the price. There is no way I would subscribe KNOWING that I was being insulted by a pricing strategy that takes me for an idiot. One game, one price.
Exchange rates.
Sorry, but CCP dont define the world echonomy.
yet..
is this another part of the conspiracy? 
the move to world domination is coming sooner than we thought!
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.02.26 04:16:00 -
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it's because us europeans are 50% richer than the americans.
uhm that can't be right. we're 50% poorer because we pay so much for everything, i think that's it 
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Clone 231D
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Posted - 2008.02.26 05:02:00 -
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Why don't you go on a medical website and complain about paying half, or less, than americans do for prescription medicine? Oh thats right, your a hypocrite.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.02.26 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Clone 231D
Why don't you go on a medical website and complain about paying half, or less, than americans do for prescription medicine? Oh thats right, your a hypocrite.
or paying taxes upon taxes to house immigrants who sponge of the state and declare a secretive 'benefits jihad'  , oh.
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Arturus Vex
Macabre Votum
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.26 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Scipio Tranquilitas
So why am I being asked to pay a FIFTY PERCENT PREMIUM simply because I live in Europe?!
(1) VAT is included in the euro price, this explains part of the difference in pricing.
(2) The dollar has been dropping like a rock, while prices have not been adjusted. CCP is based in Europe, this means that they would likely increase the dollar price rather than the euro price, and that means that Europeans aren't paying too much, but others too little. By complaining about this, you might screw a very large percentage of EVE players into paying more for their subscription - not a very nice thing to do to the community.
3.) But americans will not pay $30 dollars a month for an MMO.
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.02.26 05:37:00 -
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So you should get a discount cause the US's economy is in the tank? That makes a lot of sense.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 07:42:00 -
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:'(
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.02.26 08:27:00 -
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It's easy to "game" the exchange rate problem:
- Visit Shattered Crustal
- Select the amount of GTC you want
- Pay in $USD (Incl Paypal)
- Receive the codes in your email
- Copy/Paste the codes into your subscription
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.26 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
what is the possible justification that gas cost 3$ in home town and 5$ in new york!
And the equivalent of well over 6$ just about anywhere in Europe
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Amateratsu
Caldari
Terra Incognita
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 08:46:00 -
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1) Click on Shattered Crystal
2) Purchase GTC's for $14.95 for 30 days
3) Enjoy Eve online for under ú8 per month after exchange rate
4) Profit...
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.02.26 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 26/02/2008 08:53:24
Doh! Wrong thread....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Frobbe
Gallente
Conisor Excavations Syndicate
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele
It's easy to "game" the exchange rate problem:
Visit http://www.eve-map.com/external.asp?sendto=http://www.shatteredcrystal.com/code.php/eve_online/~132"]
- Select the amount of GTC you want
- Pay in $USD (Incl Paypal)
- Receive the codes in your email
- Copy/Paste the codes into your subscription
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.02.26 09:02:00 -
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there are several reasons,
VAT [Iceland is 24%]
Exchange rates - the Dollar has dropped
the pricing has never changed since launch,
you can buy GTC from a US site [like Shattered Crystal] and get the Dollar rate - though officially you should pay import duty on that...
I pay by 12mnth Subscription - so I want a boost
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Lara Renquist
Minmatar
The Phoenix Confederacy
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Posted - 2008.02.26 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Clone 231D
Why don't you go on a medical website and complain about paying half, or less, than americans do for prescription medicine? Oh thats right, your a hypocrite.
Lol, go vote next time... and vote for the right one
in any case yeh the Gtc's solve most of the problems, how ever the Op has a point.
The fault lies with ccp on this one, not neccesarely the fault of the price, just no justification why we pay more.
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Sir Atkinson
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Posted - 2008.02.26 09:13:00 -
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TBH I don't reaaly mind that the pitiful a,ericans pay a little less...
I have:
Free College
FREE HEALTHCARE!!!!!!!!
NO GUNS!!!!!!! (well at least my neighbour doesn't have enough guns to start WW3 in his tool shed).
A minimum wage of approx 19$ an hour.
An abundance of public transport.
And a political system that can in fact be considered democratic.
The Americans actually voted for Bush (the second time)...
Your dollar bills are a worthless pieces of paper.
In your worlds largest democracy - 40% of the population are poor.
And your primary elections are a farce and the following presidential election can be decided in the supreme court.
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.02.26 09:19:00 -
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Pro-tip:
GTCs come in the form of a string of text in an email as opposed to a bit of paper.
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