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Spoon Thumb Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.28 11:39:00 - [31] Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 28/02/2008 11:39:47 The problem with Eve is that if it is a pvp game then you might initially think, coming into the game for the first time, that Empire space is the newbie area. You could expect it to be 100% safe but also stupendusly crappy and not worth spending 5 minutes in once you get your feet off the ground Sadly Empire is neither safe nor crappy. Imagine Eve where you start in an island of a few systems of high sec and the rest of the universe is low and 0.0 sec. It would be very easy for someone to just pitch up and camp all four (or however many) exits out of that area, and because of the nature of gates being chokepoints, you can't "sneak out" by just picking your moments, running between areas of cover or whatever like you might in a more traditional MMOG Eve however is more like a country at war or experiencing some sort of insurgency. There are relatively safe and calm areas, but you could still be unlucky and the victim of a random attack or be percieved as being rich and and/or successful and thus a candidate for a targeted attack as is the case with these suicide gankings (edit: grammar) Khaldari khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists Recruiting
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.02.28 11:39:00 - [32] The deep reason is because it's easy and "safe" tbh.. ganking empire ppl for isk is an age old tradition tbh.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
Haks'he Lirky Dominion Imperium	Posted - 2008.02.28 11:42:00 - [33] hahahaha :) Mission farmers are flying so expensive ships that it's only bound to attract the attention of someone with the means to take them down. This is what makes Eve what it is, as in you are never safe, you cannot just play this game as a single player isk hoarding game. The few mission runners I know are flying ships with fittings that would cover my ingame expenses for a year if I would get my hands on a few of them.
Tjakka KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.28 11:50:00 - [34] Originally by: Set* [posted in CAOD even if there is no Alliance for "Carebears" that I know of] Mark my words: This combination of greed, arrogance, selfishness and complete disregard of the well- being of other humans is the exact reason why we (the human race) up the REAL world RIGHT NOW. Child soldiers, relocated tribes in "reservates", genocide, pogroms, or, generally speaking, killing out of greed and jacking off in the process because it feels so great. It just makes me puke. Reason why the world gets fcked up is because of ppl like you taking a game to serious And that Puke is making the floor look nasty so look at yourself ... Pathetic **
Weeman Caldari Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 11:57:00 - [35] Another cohesive and well thought out post by TJ there. Back to the OP, who frankly has mis-interpreted this game to be some kind of Hello Kitty in space. To compare the workings of an online game to something akin to the situation in Darfur...well, i'd put that down as far fetched at best. But then again, i'm apparently a filthy fascist.
Zathi Shaitan Minmatar Illiteracy Combatants	Posted - 2008.02.28 12:00:00 - [36] Originally by: Baroness Burgundy How people play the game is no reflection of who they are as a person out of the game. Wrong. Not at 100%, but in a MMO, you do what you'd LIKE to do in RL but can't. Basically, MMO "bad guys" are the carebears of RL. ---- " Several unconventional alliances where made at that point " - Hey CCP, "where" != "were".. you too, Brutus?
Arelius Sarum Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.28 12:15:00 - [37] The OP needs to step back from the game and stop taking things so seriously. If you are having trouble playing your way, adapt. I sometimes do a little pirating in game for fun, but I am a border security officer IRL. I certainly don't go out, point a gun a people's cars and rob them of their money. You shouldn't be playing this game if you are offended by it. Per Ardua ad Astra - Through Adversity, to the Stars
Tjakka KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.28 12:17:00 - [38] Originally by: Weeman Another cohesive and well thought out post by TJ there. Back to the OP, who frankly has mis-interpreted this game to be some kind of Hello Kitty in space. To compare the workings of an online game to something akin to the situation in Darfur...well, i'd put that down as far fetched at best. But then again, i'm apparently a filthy fascist. XXX
Ishamel 1 Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.28 12:37:00 - [39] Well, people who mine in hi sec in hulks are a missing the point in my view anyway. I mean you progress far enough in the game to use what is basically the end-game miner, and you aren't even out of "beginner space"? CCP should change it so that Hulks cant mine low ends tbqh, i mean the other exhumers are limited in this way (there is still ice in empire but it will run out eventually). Kinda reminds me of experienced players who sit on the beginners table in online poker ... Then there is people doing missions in faction fitted faction bs. WHY?? I mean really there should be a risk involved in using these things which there plainly isn't in doing the missions. If you are willing to spend billions just so you can do a mission a bit faster and then cry cos someone fancies a bit of your stuff you are definately in the wrong game. As an aside, do you really think Tri and/or goons will carry on doing this for any length of time? They will get bored pretty quick.
Wallenberg Wallenberg's Investor	Posted - 2008.02.28 12:43:00 - [40] We need some more of these plz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf-FUmR4DMA No, that aint RickRoll.

Seth0r Minmatar Legacy State	Posted - 2008.02.28 12:43:00 - [41] Originally by: Ishamel 1 "beginner space"? CCP should change it Hmmm... thought I'd made myself clear. I was NOT talking about EVE game design. Not at all. I was talking about design of humans. Anyway, I finally got this off my chest. Pod pls thx
Zillazuki Personal Vendetta Reavers.	Posted - 2008.02.28 12:59:00 - [42] You are a Doozer, we are the Fraggles... ...Doozers get sick and poorly if we don't break their stuff. Signature removed after it was found hanging around with a wax crayon.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2008.02.28 13:04:00 - [43] Perhaps goons have turned to empire ganking to keep their member base interested in eve? they love to grief. Tri are just gankers, they dont care what sec they are in, they just love to kill everyone. Or perhaps they are sick of the 0.0 lag? or the gms persecuting goon leadership? Maybe they think the server resources should be focused on 0.0 and not on mission runners? Maybe they want to hurt CCPs bottom line by annoying carebears? Maybe they just like the bright flashes and pretty colors?
Baroness Burgundy Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.28 13:28:00 - [44] Originally by: Zathi Shaitan Originally by: Baroness Burgundy How people play the game is no reflection of who they are as a person out of the game. Wrong. Not at 100%, but in a MMO, you do what you'd LIKE to do in RL but can't. Basically, MMO "bad guys" are the carebears of RL. People do things based on the context of the game, knowing that it is a game. When I blow someone up it's not because I want to blow someone up in real life, but because I can blow them up in the context of the game. You're right, it's not an absolute statement. Maybe some people do, I'll give you that. But I doubt miners want to mine in real life, or that every pirate wants to pillage the high seas.
Mik kyo D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:15:00 - [45] Originally by: Set*** You beat other people up, because you want their riches and/ or "because you can", meaning it gives you "some kind of satisfaction" to act out your power over a group of lesser beings. Correct, You exploit the riches of high security space, spending isk like a spoilt little brat, "wrongly" thinking that you are untouchable.
Dana Foxworth Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:22:00 - [46] Edited by: Dana Foxworth on 28/02/2008 14:23:12 Originally by: Baroness Burgundy People do things based on the context of the game, knowing that it is a game. When I blow someone up it's not because I want to blow someone up in real life, but because I can blow them up in the context of the game. You're right, it's not an absolute statement. Maybe some people do, I'll give you that. But I doubt miners want to mine in real life, or that every pirate wants to pillage the high seas. This statement is false. Given the chance, I would definetly pillage the high seas SACK
Niobius Julius Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:50:00 - [47] Did anybody else imagine the OP's words told by britney fan from that video? They are humans!!!!!!!! lol
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:39:00 - [48] It's a game. A role playing game at that. Nothing any of us do in it has any bearing on real life whatsoever. Your fellow Eve players aren't evil people just for playing a freaking game. Get a grip.
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:00:00 - [49] you didn't read the back cover of the game box did you? Linkage
Gallant Nose Thunderstruck.	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:02:00 - [50] Originally by: Nekumi Hello Kitty Online is going to be out soon.

Taizu Lilith Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:04:00 - [51] To be honest, all these people are under their corporation. They can be war-deced. If the members of empire space wish to throw off this yoke of oppression, then they would form corporations (or join those already in place) and declare war against GS or Tri.
Ishamel 1 Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:20:00 - [52] Originally by: Taizu Lilith Edited by: Taizu Lilith on 28/02/2008 16:15:36 To be honest, all these empire terrorists are people who fly the flag of their corporation. They can be war-deced. If the members of empire space wish to throw off this yoke of oppression, then they would form corporations (or join those already in place) and declare war against GS or Tri. Indeed, or if they don't want to pew pew they can hire some mercs to do it for them.
Adeptus mecanicus The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:27:00 - [53] was talking to some ppl from the first corp i was in and they was grumbeling about can flipping and that they cant afk fly anymore, all i said to that was "servers your right if your are lazy and dont care about your assets". been living in low sec/0.0 and the best trait you develop is "paranoia" it has saved many pilots ships and clones and made them able to fend fore themselves instead of allways relying on others. so next time instead of being greedy you put 1-2 stabs on your itheron 5 regardless of being in high sec and you never fly afk.....paying attention on scanner and local dosent kill ya either.... have a nice day
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:30:00 - [54] NEWS AT 11! People gank in empire for fun and profit! Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
Thak Navari Caldari UNITED STAR SYNDICATE Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:31:00 - [55] Notice that most major alliances have members commenting on this subject. Unfortunately for you as you get enjoyment from PVE others bathe in your sorrow and gain pleasure from your misery as they gank you. Welcome to EVE! Strength from Intelligence! Use an alt to scout ahead of you before you enter low sec systems. Never do PVE missions in low sec and you will be "somewhat" safer. Dont give attention to ppl ganking your wrecks etc. this advice will keep you safer from the gank. Good Luck!
Lipix Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:33:00 - [56] Anyone else running a location agent to find where this guy lives?
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:07:00 - [57] "Anyone else running a location agent to find where this guy lives?" That's not right man, funny, but not right. Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and All Around Major Idiot
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:32:00 - [58] I can understand ganking the mission runners, but killing the miners who keep the crap minerals so cheap is just counter productive since youll end up paying more for mods or to build them in the end. However, with this "problem" becoming so in-the-know everyones going to be doing it now. Which means alot of empire dwellers will start complaining, i.e. its going to be nerfed in some way. GJ on using mains in large alliances to draw attention! Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Malaphar Amarr W33D Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:33:00 - [59] Edited by: Malaphar on 28/02/2008 17:33:18 Sethor , if you really are so affected by what those "nasty" people did to you , you can always petition them for grief play against your character.See what comes out of it! Or , you can become the "voice of the carebears" and start some sort of movement aiming to impose some RL laws for people's deeds ingame! Like in Second Life game, no? Posting here will never bring you anything good but Trolling and Flaming! Nor will you ever be able to change anyone's behaviour or mind. That's life and this is our species! Live with it! Otherwise , happy missioning/mining and try to fly safe!....Or learn to... Quote: Meet the best , die like the rest!
Threv Echandari Caldari Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:34:00 - [60] To the OP. This is a game where you need lots of ISK if you want to keep playing PvP in Nice Ships. For those of us in 0.0 where fighting and losing stuff can be a regular occurance the need to make ISK is paramount. Now if you like to play and have little time for ratting and cannot stand the tedium of mining then think about it.... CNR Raven with mods is 3 to 5 BILLION Think about that number even divided betwee 5 guys in disposable insured Ravens thats a ****-ton of ISK that would keep me in ships and mods for good long while. Of course its not that much for a carrier pilots who lose say, 20 carriers in one night but for you avg 0.0 PvPer it makes for more time Ganking nd less time monkey spanking. Its not about RL issues or any of that. Sorry if you can't see that but thats the way it is.



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