Originally by: Ishtar1

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5-6bill in fits will bring anyone over to the dark side

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Originally by: Ishtar1

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My guess is you just lost somthing

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Originally by: Set***

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Thanks for reminding me though, have fun destroying the hard work as well as the pleasure of others. You have no honor, no dignity, no empathy.

*pukes*

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Originally by: Brmble

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IN A WORLD
WHERE ENJOYMENT IS OUTLAWED
AND MOCKERY IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH
ONE MAN
WILL MAKE
A POST

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Originally by: Set***

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yeah, thats the whole point.

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Originally by: Central Scrutinizer

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The OP really makes me want to suicide gank mission runners, tbh.

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Originally by: Saladin

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Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.

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Originally by: Set***

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Thanks for reminding me though, have fun destroying the hard work as well as the pleasure of others. You have no honor, no dignity, no empathy.

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Originally by: Metuma

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So many whiney carebears who moan about PVP in a hardcore PVP game. I agree with the above post, I am starting to think about ganking some of these mission runners too.

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Originally by: Set***

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Analysis: You beat other people up, because you want

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Originally by: LvxAeterna

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Every time I blow up a hauler, a starving boy in Kenya dies!

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Originally by: Set***

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[posted in CAOD even if there is no Alliance for "Carebears" that I know of]

To GS, TRI and whoever else is ganking mission runners in Empire:

Seeing the recent development from the perspective of an after work gamer who *really* enjoys PvE and has *very* little time to do anything else, in the beginning I was just ****ed, but there is more to see and say about this....

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Originally by: Set***

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[posted in CAOD even if there is no Alliance for "Carebears" that I know of]

Mark my words: This combination of greed, arrogance, selfishness and complete disregard of the well- being of other humans is the exact reason why we (the human race) **** up the REAL world RIGHT NOW. Child soldiers, relocated tribes in "reservates", genocide, pogroms, or, generally speaking, killing out of greed and jacking off in the process because it feels so great.

It just makes me puke.

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Originally by: Baroness Burgundy

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How people play the game is no reflection of who they are as a person out of the game.

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Originally by: Weeman

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Another cohesive and well thought out post by TJ there.

Back to the OP, who frankly has mis-interpreted this game to be some kind of Hello Kitty in space.

To compare the workings of an online game to something akin to the situation in Darfur...well, i'd put that down as far fetched at best. But then again, i'm apparently a filthy fascist.

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Originally by: Ishamel 1

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"beginner space"? CCP should change it

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Originally by: Zathi Shaitan

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Originally by: Baroness Burgundy

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How people play the game is no reflection of who they are as a person out of the game.

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Wrong.
Not at 100%, but in a MMO, you do what you'd LIKE to do in RL but can't.
Basically, MMO "bad guys" are the carebears of RL.

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Originally by: Set***

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You beat other people up, because you want their riches and/ or "because you can", meaning it gives you "some kind of satisfaction" to act out your power over a group of lesser beings.

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Originally by: Baroness Burgundy

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People do things based on the context of the game, knowing that it is a game.

When I blow someone up it's not because I want to blow someone up in real life, but because I can blow them up in the context of the game.

You're right, it's not an absolute statement. Maybe some people do, I'll give you that. But I doubt miners want to mine in real life, or that every pirate wants to pillage the high seas.

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Originally by: Nekumi

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Hello Kitty Online is going to be out soon.

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Originally by: Taizu Lilith

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Edited by: Taizu Lilith on 28/02/2008 16:15:36
To be honest, all these empire terrorists are people who fly the flag of their corporation. They can be war-deced. If the members of empire space wish to throw off this yoke of oppression, then they would form corporations (or join those already in place) and declare war against GS or Tri.

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Quote:

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Meet the best , die like the rest!

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Originally by: Set***

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Edited by: Set*** on 28/02/2008 18:21:11
*sigh*

Ok to set a few points straight:
- I didn't write this b/c I lost anything, and I couldn't care less if I did... my RL is superior to EVE
- I didn't think you should be "safe" in empire space either
- I didn't critizize PvP vs. PvE (jeez)

Nothing of this was about the game or its mechanics, really

What troubles me is
- stabbing someone,
- looking them in the eyes saying "I don't care how you feel"
- taking a considerable RL amount of time/ effort from them
(but point really follows here)
this is being done solely because you can, without fear of being punished

Or to put it short:
Greed paired with cowardice, and disdainfulness

Does this ring any bells? The same things that we see in RL every day, if we just care to open our eyes. Take a defenseless populace, even with only a small amount of money, with no- one to protect them: They die.

It bothers me that even while playing a game with lots of "honorable" targets people just can't seem to be anything else than greedy opportinists that will happily backstab you, but only if they can't lose.

Like the big kids in the playground that try to pick at you: Once you beat them up, they try to be your best friend and pick at someone else.

Thats PvP allright, but with ZERO honour.

Yuck.

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Originally by: Graalum

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i actually blow empire carebears up out of malice, any loot is just a bonus

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Quote:

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Thanks for reminding me though, have fun destroying the hard work as well as the pleasure of others. You have no honor, no dignity, no empathy.

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Originally by: Set***

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Edited by: Set*** on 28/02/2008 18:21:11
*sigh*

Ok to set a few points straight:
- I didn't write this b/c I lost anything, and I couldn't care less if I did... my RL is superior to EVE
- I didn't think you should be "safe" in empire space either
- I didn't critizize PvP vs. PvE (jeez)

Nothing of this was about the game or its mechanics, really

What troubles me is
- stabbing someone,
- looking them in the eyes saying "I don't care how you feel"
- taking a considerable RL amount of time/ effort from them
(but point really follows here)
this is being done solely because you can, without fear of being punished

Or to put it short:
Greed paired with cowardice, and disdainfulness

Does this ring any bells? The same things that we see in RL every day, if we just care to open our eyes. Take a defenseless populace, even with only a small amount of money, with no- one to protect them: They die.

It bothers me that even while playing a game with lots of "honorable" targets people just can't seem to be anything else than greedy opportinists that will happily backstab you, but only if they can't lose.

Like the big kids in the playground that try to pick at you: Once you beat them up, they try to be your best friend and pick at someone else.

Thats PvP allright, but with ZERO honour.

Yuck.

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Originally by: Set***

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honour

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Originally by: Hrin

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Originally by: Set***

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Edited by: Set*** on 28/02/2008 18:21:11
*sigh*

Ok to set a few points straight:
- I didn't write this b/c I lost anything, and I couldn't care less if I did... my RL is superior to EVE
- I didn't think you should be "safe" in empire space either
- I didn't critizize PvP vs. PvE (jeez)

Nothing of this was about the game or its mechanics, really

What troubles me is
- stabbing someone,
- looking them in the eyes saying "I don't care how you feel"
- taking a considerable RL amount of time/ effort from them
(but point really follows here)
this is being done solely because you can, without fear of being punished

Or to put it short:
Greed paired with cowardice, and disdainfulness

Does this ring any bells? The same things that we see in RL every day, if we just care to open our eyes. Take a defenseless populace, even with only a small amount of money, with no- one to protect them: They die.

It bothers me that even while playing a game with lots of "honorable" targets people just can't seem to be anything else than greedy opportinists that will happily backstab you, but only if they can't lose.

Like the big kids in the playground that try to pick at you: Once you beat them up, they try to be your best friend and pick at someone else.

Thats PvP allright, but with ZERO honour.

Yuck.

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Originally by: Set***

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honour

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That doesn't work here

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Originally by: Nekumi

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Hello Kitty Online is going to be out soon.

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Originally by: Set***

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Edited by: Set*** on 28/02/2008 18:21:11
*sigh*

Ok to set a few points straight:
- I didn't write this b/c I lost anything, and I couldn't care less if I did... my RL is superior to EVE
- I didn't think you should be "safe" in empire space either
- I didn't critizize PvP vs. PvE (jeez)

Nothing of this was about the game or its mechanics, really

What troubles me is
- stabbing someone,
- looking them in the eyes saying "I don't care how you feel"
- taking a considerable RL amount of time/ effort from them
(but point really follows here)
this is being done solely because you can, without fear of being punished

Or to put it short:
Greed paired with cowardice, and disdainfulness

Does this ring any bells? The same things that we see in RL every day, if we just care to open our eyes. Take a defenseless populace, even with only a small amount of money, with no- one to protect them: They die.

It bothers me that even while playing a game with lots of "honorable" targets people just can't seem to be anything else than greedy opportinists that will happily backstab you, but only if they can't lose.

Like the big kids in the playground that try to pick at you: Once you beat them up, they try to be your best friend and pick at someone else.

Thats PvP allright, but with ZERO honour.

Yuck.

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Originally by: Ituralde

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Total fail by the OP.

It's very simple, it's like ratting but everything is an officer spawn. Sure, you have to split the loot a few ways but in the end you all have a pleasant payout from a group activity.

Now, we've all played the early game of EVE where we were mining or missioning for our first cruisers and battleships. Making ISK in EVE isn't really easy particularly when just starting out. I've got nothing but sympathy for new players trying to make it in this rough universe.

However, that's not who we are ganking.

Don't fool yourselves, we aren't attacking EVE's proletariat. These aren't your players who are struggling to get by, these are players with multiple billions of ISK. These are the most upper of the upper class, the bourgeoisie of EVE, with their faction vessels with officer modules.

Yes, they are still innocent carebears we are brutally murdering for fun and profit but they aren't exactly the downtrodden lower classes either. Like in real life their excessive displays of wealth make them targets for those interested in ill-gotten gains. These are the EVE-equivalents of people in real life who have multimillion-dollar purses and wris****ches, not to mention whatever monstrosity of an overpriced vehicle they are driving. Hell, some of these ships have better kits than some supercaps that have gone down over the past year or so.

I guess I should feel guilty for preying on people in safe space, but it's really a bit like feeling sorry for someone who got their brand-new $100k+ Mercedes lifted in Detroit's east side because they left it on the streets there for a day with the windows down. Yes, there are theoretically police about to theoretically prevent such things, and most often they do end up finding the vehicle, but not after all the expensive goodies have long since been fenced.

Maybe if those people were less extravagant with their ship fits and invested in getting some friends - say, a pair of logistics ships in the form of - *gasp* - corpmates (who knew) in exchange for, say, giving up a touch of their multibillions of profits, then they wouldn't have anything to worry about on the suicide ganking front.

In short, yes, we are evil, mean, greifing, criminal bastards that loot, pilliage, plunder etc. the hard-earned ISKs of the upper classes. We needn't have any illusions otherwise. But hey, if people who can afford multibillion ISK ravens don't bother to use their resources to take necessary precautions to stay safe, then their own greed is as much to blame.

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Originally by: Re Mi

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So these rich people should transfer their wealth to an alliance with even more isk and riches. An alliance that can put up their own moon mining POS for a constant stream of riches? Nice wall of text. You are still a hypocrite.

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Originally by: Zillazuki

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You are a Doozer, we are the Fraggles...

...Doozers get sick and poorly if we don't break their stuff.

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Originally by: Spoon Thumb

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Eve however is more like a country at war

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Originally by: Ituralde

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Total fail by the OP.

It's very simple, it's like ratting but everything is an officer spawn. Sure, you have to split the loot a few ways but in the end you all have a pleasant payout from a group activity.

Now, we've all played the early game of EVE where we were mining or missioning for our first cruisers and battleships. Making ISK in EVE isn't really easy particularly when just starting out. I've got nothing but sympathy for new players trying to make it in this rough universe.

However, that's not who we are ganking.

Don't fool yourselves, we aren't attacking EVE's proletariat. These aren't your players who are struggling to get by, these are players with multiple billions of ISK. These are the most upper of the upper class, the bourgeoisie of EVE, with their faction vessels with officer modules.

Yes, they are still innocent carebears we are brutally murdering for fun and profit but they aren't exactly the downtrodden lower classes either. Like in real life their excessive displays of wealth make them targets for those interested in ill-gotten gains. These are the EVE-equivalents of people in real life who have multimillion-dollar purses and wris****ches, not to mention whatever monstrosity of an overpriced vehicle they are driving. Hell, some of these ships have better kits than some supercaps that have gone down over the past year or so.

I guess I should feel guilty for preying on people in safe space, but it's really a bit like feeling sorry for someone who got their brand-new $100k+ Mercedes lifted in Detroit's east side because they left it on the streets there for a day with the windows down. Yes, there are theoretically police about to theoretically prevent such things, and most often they do end up finding the vehicle, but not after all the expensive goodies have long since been fenced.

Maybe if those people were less extravagant with their ship fits and invested in getting some friends - say, a pair of logistics ships in the form of - *gasp* - corpmates (who knew) in exchange for, say, giving up a touch of their multibillions of profits, then they wouldn't have anything to worry about on the suicide ganking front.

In short, yes, we are evil, mean, greifing, criminal bastards that loot, pilliage, plunder etc. the hard-earned ISKs of the upper classes. We needn't have any illusions otherwise. But hey, if people who can afford multibillion ISK ravens don't bother to use their resources to take necessary precautions to stay safe, then their own greed is as much to blame.

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Originally by: eveflame

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Edited by: eveflame on 29/02/2008 02:48:02
This is my 2 cents, all of the care bears (mission running, mining, trade goods trading) are going to get tired of losing stuff and are going to eventual quit the game do to being griffed or what every u what to call it.
In addition to my 2 cents, IF all of the care bears up and quit or leave the game, all of a sudden ur ships will triple or even be more expensive to buy. Because the care bears mining for the mins they are sudden not there any more. Just because you (the greifer) is too stupid, or refuse to grind out the mission or just buy it off the market and thinking that eve owns you something get a life. Life is not free, and just because you lose a 10 mil ship and the other person loses more pulse you bring an alt in to collect everything that I would hope ccp would wise up and classify that as an exploit...

This is the fact of the game
miners - mine the ore to sell it on the market so that ship and other stuff can be made
Mission runners - Get the faction mods and then sell it on the market
traders - to make isk
TRUE pvper's - to fight in wars in 0.0 against other alliance,

Pkers, gankers, and other trash - have the attitude that eve owns them something and im going to be a kid and trough a fit and cry and take what i want w/o working for it.

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Originally by: eveflame

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Edited by: eveflame on 29/02/2008 02:48:02
This is my 2 cents, all of the care bears (mission running, mining, trade goods trading) are going to get tired of losing stuff and are going to eventual quit the game do to being griffed or what every u what to call it.
In addition to my 2 cents, IF all of the care bears up and quit or leave the game, all of a sudden ur ships will triple or even be more expensive to buy. Because the care bears mining for the mins they are sudden not there any more. Just because you (the greifer) is too stupid, or refuse to grind out the mission or just buy it off the market and thinking that eve owns you something get a life. Life is not free, and just because you lose a 10 mil ship and the other person loses more pulse you bring an alt in to collect everything that I would hope ccp would wise up and classify that as an exploit...

This is the fact of the game
miners - mine the ore to sell it on the market so that ship and other stuff can be made
Mission runners - Get the faction mods and then sell it on the market
traders - to make isk
TRUE pvper's - to fight in wars in 0.0 against other alliance,

Pkers, gankers, and other trash - have the attitude that eve owns them something and im going to be a kid and trough a fit and cry and take what i want w/o working for it.

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Originally by: Ki An

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I think what GoonFleet is doing is wrong, because it's immoral to kill people.

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Originally by: Poo Pei

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I kinda agree with the original poster in that the game could use some fixes, but I stay away from rl comparisons to a game. EVE is not a reflection of rl, it is a fantasy game. I seriously doubt if the griefers in the game cloak on the highways of the world and run "Bob the Plumber" off the road to steal the mods off his truck.

The players that should go away are the scammers and isk spammers.

This is a PVP game. If the game mechanics allow for fair play in griefing then so be it. Find a new game if you don't like it.

CCP should take note and if there are enough people that want a PVP free game, then they should facilitate it. But without nerfing what we have. Other MMOs have optional PVP, some suck, some suck real bad, what brought me to eve was real PVP. Don't nerf it CCP, just give the folks that don't want PVP a server of their own and reduce the lag for me while I shoot people tht want to be shot.

Pleeeessse!

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