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eveflame	Posted - 2008.02.29 02:43:00 - [91] Edited by: eveflame on 29/02/2008 02:48:02 This is my 2 cents, all of the care bears (mission running, mining, trade goods trading) are going to get tired of losing stuff and are going to eventual quit the game do to being griffed or what every u what to call it. In addition to my 2 cents, IF all of the care bears up and quit or leave the game, all of a sudden ur ships will triple or even be more expensive to buy. Because the care bears mining for the mins they are sudden not there any more. Just because you (the greifer) is too stupid, or refuse to grind out the mission or just buy it off the market and thinking that eve owns you something get a life. Life is not free, and just because you lose a 10 mil ship and the other person loses more pulse you bring an alt in to collect everything that I would hope ccp would wise up and classify that as an exploit... This is the fact of the game miners - mine the ore to sell it on the market so that ship and other stuff can be made Mission runners - Get the faction mods and then sell it on the market traders - to make isk TRUE pvper's - to fight in wars in 0.0 against other alliance, Pkers, gankers, and other trash - have the attitude that eve owns them something and im going to be a kid and trough a fit and cry and take what i want w/o working for it.
GO MaZ Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.02.29 03:11:00 - [92] Originally by: eveflame Edited by: eveflame on 29/02/2008 02:48:02 This is my 2 cents, all of the care bears (mission running, mining, trade goods trading) are going to get tired of losing stuff and are going to eventual quit the game do to being griffed or what every u what to call it. In addition to my 2 cents, IF all of the care bears up and quit or leave the game, all of a sudden ur ships will triple or even be more expensive to buy. Because the care bears mining for the mins they are sudden not there any more. Just because you (the greifer) is too stupid, or refuse to grind out the mission or just buy it off the market and thinking that eve owns you something get a life. Life is not free, and just because you lose a 10 mil ship and the other person loses more pulse you bring an alt in to collect everything that I would hope ccp would wise up and classify that as an exploit... This is the fact of the game miners - mine the ore to sell it on the market so that ship and other stuff can be made Mission runners - Get the faction mods and then sell it on the market traders - to make isk TRUE pvper's - to fight in wars in 0.0 against other alliance, Pkers, gankers, and other trash - have the attitude that eve owns them something and im going to be a kid and trough a fit and cry and take what i want w/o working for it. You seem to think that people who gank in highsec are mutually exclusive with "TRUE" pvpers in 0.0. You are wrong. Suicide ganking has been going on for years before this current spree, and will continue for years after. Yes, people have quit over it but more people have started playing BECAUSE the game allows things such as this. Again - if you're not willing to take the necessary (EASY) precautions to keep your **** safe, then it's your own fault. EVE is, always was, and always will be a PVP game.
BuckStrider Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.02.29 03:48:00 - [93] Edited by: BuckStrider on 29/02/2008 03:48:55 Actually, I think it's worse being a "pirate" in 0.0 Your all 'flashy flashy' on the OPFOR overview People tend to shoot at flashy things first
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.29 03:52:00 - [94] Originally by: eveflame Edited by: eveflame on 29/02/2008 02:48:02 This is my 2 cents, all of the care bears (mission running, mining, trade goods trading) are going to get tired of losing stuff and are going to eventual quit the game do to being griffed or what every u what to call it. In addition to my 2 cents, IF all of the care bears up and quit or leave the game, all of a sudden ur ships will triple or even be more expensive to buy. Because the care bears mining for the mins they are sudden not there any more. Just because you (the greifer) is too stupid, or refuse to grind out the mission or just buy it off the market and thinking that eve owns you something get a life. Life is not free, and just because you lose a 10 mil ship and the other person loses more pulse you bring an alt in to collect everything that I would hope ccp would wise up and classify that as an exploit... This is the fact of the game miners - mine the ore to sell it on the market so that ship and other stuff can be made Mission runners - Get the faction mods and then sell it on the market traders - to make isk TRUE pvper's - to fight in wars in 0.0 against other alliance, Pkers, gankers, and other trash - have the attitude that eve owns them something and im going to be a kid and trough a fit and cry and take what i want w/o working for it. You seem to assume athat all production is done by people who can't watch local or align to warp. Not so. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
rValdez5987 Amarr Killed In Action The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.02.29 07:38:00 - [95] goons ganking high sec mission runners.... what happened to the "great war" or did the coalition get bored already My views and opinions are my own, and do not reflect my corporation or alliance.
Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2008.02.29 09:33:00 - [96] after i played this game since beta basicly, i have seen it all before LOL... its not the first time some corp goes to empire and gank a few or 100.. seriously that is part of the game... however i do agree in that its lame. yet i understand people who do it.. it is FUN especially the whining letters like this one ( the ops ) i dont undertsnad why the emeperiel corps havent united yet and actually do something about the problem... This weekend i invite all pvp players who are SERIOUSLY boored with eve to come close to jita... we will suicide and kill everything... ingame channel name will be "Empsuicide" I also endorce more to do it all ower... lets start slay empire for real... LONG LIVE INSURANCE!!!!! Op is starting tonight and will stay all weekend... ships: dominixes as the actually pay you isk when blown up, if u look at market price and insurance payout you wont loose more than say 12 mill pr pop and im sure we all know that it gives more loot :)))
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.02.29 09:57:00 - [97] I think what GoonFleet is doing is wrong, because it's immoral to kill people. I mean, would you kill someone IRL? Would you? It's exactly the same in Eve. You are nothing but murderers. I hope you like it in hell because that's where you are going. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Lee Malone	Posted - 2008.02.29 11:35:00 - [98] "Sadly you have picked entirely the wrong game to play, its design will never allow you peace. I understand what you say, and I have empathy for your position, but the reality is your complaint amounts to no more than a glass maker complaining about the injustice of having his crystal shattered during WWII. Yes, it is unjust, but its what it is. I rather suspect there are not as many carebears in Empire as people would like to think, just youngling PvPers trying to make an ISK as they work their way up through the feeding chain. The ultimate carebears are probably asian ISK farmers living in 0.0 space, paying for the privilege and being protected by PvP corporations who maintain they hate carebears. Irony lies kind of deep on the ground in this game." BRAVO!
Information Minister The Ministry of Truth	Posted - 2008.02.29 15:01:00 - [99] Originally by: Ki An I think what GoonFleet is doing is wrong, because it's immoral to kill people. Who's killing people? Podding in Empire would be bad juju.
Relaed Minmatar Shadows of the Dead The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.29 17:36:00 - [100] Goonies gank in empire, because they always have, and always said they would. You stopped reading the news because of stress? You should have the might to select what news from what sources you read, that is what being 'informed' means. Reading and watching any old vendor-machine-easy news is not being informed. Besides, the man wants you to be stupid, they don't want you to be informed or know what is going on around you, because only then, will they truly have you by the balls.
Yasmine de'Medici	Posted - 2008.02.29 18:21:00 - [101] The game mechanics allow it, it is profitable, so people will do it. It's just like corp thievery, or bumping of capitals outside of a POS shield, et cetera. I personally wouldn't do that, but if you're allowed to do it and it can make you money doing it, then people will do it. Period. Your best course of action is not to come on CAOD, but to post in the appropriate area about how you think CONCORD should respond faster, or how they should invest in some logistics ships for their mighty donut fleet.
William Darkk Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:08:00 - [102] Originally by: Poo Pei I kinda agree with the original poster in that the game could use some fixes, but I stay away from rl comparisons to a game. EVE is not a reflection of rl, it is a fantasy game. I seriously doubt if the griefers in the game cloak on the highways of the world and run "Bob the Plumber" off the road to steal the mods off his truck. The players that should go away are the scammers and isk spammers. This is a PVP game. If the game mechanics allow for fair play in griefing then so be it. Find a new game if you don't like it. CCP should take note and if there are enough people that want a PVP free game, then they should facilitate it. But without nerfing what we have. Other MMOs have optional PVP, some suck, some suck real bad, what brought me to eve was real PVP. Don't nerf it CCP, just give the folks that don't want PVP a server of their own and reduce the lag for me while I shoot people tht want to be shot. Pleeeessse! I'm not sure this would work - all the carebears are a useful buffer against the pvpers. Right now, there's enough carebears to buffer each other - the chance of gank per carebear is small. Once you get EVE-trammel and EVE-regular, EVE-regular will probably not have enough carebears to keep industry going at the same rate, and those carebears would be ganked at a much higher rate per-carebear. I've had some thoughts on the whole thing, but most of them would involve fairly radical changes. It'll be interesting to see what happens if there IS a pve-centric spaceship MMO released. Think UO->EQ->WoW. EVE->Star Trek Online?->??? OTOH, sci-fi is less popular than fantasy as far as MMOs go so there might not be enough room for two. So we'll be stuck with the carebears jammed in with the hardcore PVPers, and a dev team that doesn't really understand why they're still here. -------------------------------------------------- <3 my Drones

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