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Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.01 14:35:00 - [31] Originally by: welsh wizard Whats stopping the Malediction using precision lights? The Malediction already goes faster so its ging to suffer to a lesser extent than the Crow, and the range isn't even an issue, you still exceed your locking range easily with light missiles in a diction, even with a sensor booster fitted. Are you under the impression that you can't fit tech II missiles on a Diction? Because you can, easily. I already made my point, Amarr frigates are generally balanced using lower tier weaponry. I suppose you think we should increase the grid + cpu on Amarr frigates so everyone fits lower tier guns and overpowered tanks right? While I might be off topic you're just completely evading the argument because you know you're wrong. The Diction is plan better than the Crow in every way but damage. Anyway, can't keep this up, not supposed to be on t'internet at work. :P malediction with precisions, insisting the "Diction" better than the crow, amarr AFs are good and so is the punisher I'm afraid I've fallen victim to a fakepost ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.01 14:36:00 - [32] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: welsh wizard Well given the fact that the performance of basically all of the Amarr frigates is pretty much optimal and balanced perhaps you don't need a higher tier frigate turret? :P The Punisher is fantastic, both the Amarr assault frigates are very good and we've already discussed the interceptors. The only problem in my eyes with Amarr frigates is the missing one! WTF? Why shouldnt we have a high tier small turret like everyone else? Perhaps you need an extra lower tier turret? question begging welsh what is more parsimonious, that it's simpler to balance amarr with low tier guns while the rest have tangible options for fitting the full spectrum of weaponry or that racial balance means parity in fitting in all categories? You seem to think approximate parity means uniformity when it absolutely does not. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.03.01 16:28:00 - [33] Since we seem to be limiting this to frigs, what frigate can mount a full rack of highest tier, long range, small weapons and still do anything else? Hell after the upcoming patch, the Raptor won't even be able to fit the middle tier of long range guns without a fitting mod. Assault Frigates usually can but not much else. Hey, maybe that's the long-lost fourth bonus on assault frigates.... Role Bonus: Enough fitting to use the biggest long range race-specific weapons available for this class. As much as it pains me to, I'm going to have to agree with Jonny to an extent. However, this problem is generally not limited to Amarr, it's for frigates in general, so I don't know if this was what CCP intended (i.e. frigates mostly using mid-tier guns) or if frigates as a whole need a looking-at fitting-wise. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.01 16:39:00 - [34] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 01/03/2008 16:39:21 Originally by: Bronson Hughes Since we seem to be limiting this to frigs, what frigate can mount a full rack of highest tier, long range, small weapons and still do anything else? Hell after the upcoming patch, the Raptor won't even be able to fit the middle tier of long range guns without a fitting mod. Assault Frigates usually can but not much else. You can fit neutron II on a taranis with 1 fitting mod. Go try fit medium pulses on a crusader and see what happens. Rifter can fit 280mm arty II with 1 fitting mod. Go try fit full rack medium beams on a punisher. The whole point is, and youre still trying to avoid it, that amarr dont have a high tier small turret that is viable to fit. Except on a crappy AF no one flies. Everyone else CAN fit their highest tier with 1 fitting mod. Medium pulses and beams need a serious PG usage fix. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.03.01 16:45:00 - [35] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer You can fit neutron II on a taranis with 1 fitting mod. Go try fit medium pulses on a crusader and see what happens. Rifter can fit 280mm arty II with 1 fitting mod. Go try fit full rack medium beams on a punisher. You're absolutely right, but I was limiting my discussion primarily to the long range weapons since that's what the topic started as. Originally by: Lyria Skydancer The whole point is, and youre still trying to avoid it No, just trying to stay on topic. I feel that for the long range guns my points still are valid. Short range guns are a completely different discussion. Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Medium pulses and beams need a serious PG usage fix. Quite possibly, but given the issues with long range frigate guns in general you'd likely have to split that fix between the lasers themselves and frigates in general. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.01 17:05:00 - [36] Welsh, have you finally gone off the deep end?
Galan Undris	Posted - 2008.03.01 17:06:00 - [37] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Rifter can fit 280mm arty II with 1 fitting mod. Go try fit full rack medium beams on a punisher. Err... A Rifter with 3 280 IIs has 11 grid left for other stuff without fitting mods, a Punisher with 3 Medium Beam IIs has 18 grid left for other stuff. Medium beams on a punisher is tight, but 280s on a Rifter is worse.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.01 17:18:00 - [38] Edited by: welsh wizard on 01/03/2008 17:19:17 Originally by: Goumindong Welsh, have you finally gone off the deep end? I'm utterly lost for words, so far not a single god damned person has given me a reason that the Crow is better other than it does more damage? Cloaks? Faction disruptors? Wtf are you lot on about? You are aware that interceptors are tacklers and not recon ships right? Ask ANY of the premier Crow pilots in the game what they're flying these days and why. Unbelievably bias bs from you lot. --------------- you all smell!
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.03.01 17:24:00 - [39] [threadjack] Originally by: welsh wizard I'm utterly lost for words, so far not a single god damned person has given me a reason that the Crow is better other than it does more damage? Sorry, I was talking about beam lasers. The Crow is probably the most popular 'Ceptor, especially with newer 'Ceptor pilots, because it can orbit at point range with it's MWD on and still hit it's target for decent damage, all while being perfectly cap stable and without using expensive faction gear, rigs, or implants. In short, it requires very little thought and money to fly and still get good performance out of it. This in no way implies that it's the best 'Ceptor, just the most popular. [/threadjack] -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.01 17:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Bronson Hughes [threadjack] Originally by: welsh wizard I'm utterly lost for words, so far not a single god damned person has given me a reason that the Crow is better other than it does more damage? Sorry, I was talking about beam lasers. The Crow is probably the most popular 'Ceptor, especially with newer 'Ceptor pilots, because it can orbit at point range with it's MWD on and still hit it's target for decent damage, all while being perfectly cap stable and without using expensive faction gear, rigs, or implants. In short, it requires very little thought and money to fly and still get good performance out of it. This in no way implies that it's the best 'Ceptor, just the most popular. [/threadjack] And my point is that the Malediction can do all of this BETTER. It is a better interceptor than the Crow in every concievable way. I'm beginning to think that some of you have been living in a nuclear bunker for the last 6 months and are unaware that its actually a missile boat. --------------- you all smell!
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.01 17:38:00 - [41] Duel Light Beams. . .not Medium Beams. . .some of these fits are a little dumb. And you would be suprised at how well it works. -----------
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.01 17:40:00 - [42] Originally by: Atius Tirawa Duel Light Beams. . .not Medium Beams. . .some of these fits are a little dumb. And you would be suprised at how well it works. But why can a taranis fit neutron IIs with 1 fitting mod but crusader cant fit medium pulse without pg and cpu mods, so many fitting mods that it gets worse. We just want a viable dmg upgrade that is viable to fit with 1 fitting mod. Everyone else can. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.03.01 17:44:00 - [43] Originally by: welsh wizard And my point is that the Malediction can do all of this BETTER. It is a better interceptor than the Crow in every concievable way. I'm beginning to think that some of you have been living in a nuclear bunker for the last 6 months and are unaware that its actually a missile boat. I agree personally, I think the Malediction is awesome. Compared to a missile crow, it's faster, can scramble from longer range, and is tougher, but it's locking range is shorter. The range bonus on the Crow helps it a lot on a Rocket setup since it has a chance to hit with normal rockets from outside of web range, but that's only if your target is stationary and doesn't know how to overheat their web. I think it comes down to two things: 1. There's probably more Caldari 'Ceptor pilots than there are Amarr 'Ceptor pilots. 2. People are slow to change. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.01 17:52:00 - [44] Originally by: Bronson Hughes Originally by: welsh wizard And my point is that the Malediction can do all of this BETTER. It is a better interceptor than the Crow in every concievable way. I'm beginning to think that some of you have been living in a nuclear bunker for the last 6 months and are unaware that its actually a missile boat. I agree personally, I think the Malediction is awesome. Compared to a missile crow, it's faster, can scramble from longer range, and is tougher, but it's locking range is shorter. The range bonus on the Crow helps it a lot on a Rocket setup since it has a chance to hit with normal rockets from outside of web range, but that's only if your target is stationary and doesn't know how to overheat their web. I think it comes down to two things: 1. There's probably more Caldari 'Ceptor pilots than there are Amarr 'Ceptor pilots. 2. People are slow to change. Diction has a spare mid slot for a sensor booster and its capacitor STILL outperforms the Crows even with the SB running. You can of course fit a web on the Crow but that basically nullifies the point in spending isk on polycarbons and snakes because you're going to die in web range more often than not. If you want sustainability in a Crow that mid-slot needs to be a CR II. It's not like the SB on a diction is a wasted slot either! You get about 37km lock range and a faster lock. By virtue of the Dictions design & bonuses it just happens to be a better light missile boat than the Crow nevermind a better rocket boat. --------------- you all smell!
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.01 17:56:00 - [45] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 01/03/2008 17:48:31 Originally by: Bronson Hughes [threadjack] Originally by: welsh wizard I'm utterly lost for words, so far not a single god damned person has given me a reason that the Crow is better other than it does more damage? Sorry, I was talking about beam lasers. The Crow is probably the most popular 'Ceptor, especially with newer 'Ceptor pilots, because it can orbit at point range with it's MWD on and still hit it's target for decent damage, all while being perfectly cap stable and without using expensive faction gear, rigs, or implants. In short, it requires very little thought and money to fly and still get good performance out of it. This in no way implies that it's the best 'Ceptor, just the most popular. [/threadjack] And my point is that the Malediction can do all of this BETTER. It is a better interceptor than the Crow in every concievable way. I'm beginning to think that some of you have been living in a nuclear bunker for the last 6 months and are unaware that its actually a missile boat. edit: After trying to sift through rubbish about faction 40km disrupting crows (I think he means the battleship sized modules that need about 3000 grid), cloaks and completely false figures for velocity loss when using javelin rockets I've established that both Erotic Obsession and myself are arguing about different things. He seems to think rockets are optimal on both ships which is pretty bloody laughable tbh. Crow pilots use standards for a reason believe it or not. If you're fitting rockets on your Malediction you're fitting to kill not tackle and that means you operate with a web because all you're going to kill are other inties without webs. It also gives you a life expectancy of about 5 minutes. never heard of domination disruptors or thermodynamics I see that said where did I invent fictional numbers? also where are these 3000 kills logged, the celes board has you 500-0 lol ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.03.01 17:58:00 - [46] Originally by: welsh wizard stuff Again, I agree completely. The sensor booster makes a Malediction no longer cap stable, which is fine for an experienced pilot but rather kills it's appeal for newer ones. Again, I think that the reason the Crow is so popular is because it appeals to newer 'Ceptor pilots because it's so easy to fit and fly. More experienced ones know better. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.01 18:00:00 - [47] Edited by: welsh wizard on 01/03/2008 18:02:52 Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 01/03/2008 17:48:31 Originally by: Bronson Hughes [threadjack] Originally by: welsh wizard I'm utterly lost for words, so far not a single god damned person has given me a reason that the Crow is better other than it does more damage? Sorry, I was talking about beam lasers. The Crow is probably the most popular 'Ceptor, especially with newer 'Ceptor pilots, because it can orbit at point range with it's MWD on and still hit it's target for decent damage, all while being perfectly cap stable and without using expensive faction gear, rigs, or implants. In short, it requires very little thought and money to fly and still get good performance out of it. This in no way implies that it's the best 'Ceptor, just the most popular. [/threadjack] And my point is that the Malediction can do all of this BETTER. It is a better interceptor than the Crow in every concievable way. I'm beginning to think that some of you have been living in a nuclear bunker for the last 6 months and are unaware that its actually a missile boat. edit: After trying to sift through rubbish about faction 40km disrupting crows (I think he means the battleship sized modules that need about 3000 grid), cloaks and completely false figures for velocity loss when using javelin rockets I've established that both Erotic Obsession and myself are arguing about different things. He seems to think rockets are optimal on both ships which is pretty bloody laughable tbh. Crow pilots use standards for a reason believe it or not. If you're fitting rockets on your Malediction you're fitting to kill not tackle and that means you operate with a web because all you're going to kill are other inties without webs. It also gives you a life expectancy of about 5 minutes. never heard of domination disruptors or thermodynamics I see that said where did I invent fictional numbers? also where are these 3000 kills logged, the celes board has you 500-0 lol Right so a Malediction with a Domi disruptor and thermodynamics can tackle at close to 50km aslong as its sensor booster is loaded with a range script, the Crow can't even hope to lock out that far nevermind tackle. So whats your point? The Original Celes killboard and basically a years worth of kills with 0utbreak too. You can find them yourself seeing as you're so bloody certain about things. --------------- you all smell!
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.01 18:03:00 - [48] Edited by: welsh wizard on 01/03/2008 18:04:36 Originally by: Bronson Hughes Originally by: welsh wizard stuff Again, I agree completely. The sensor booster makes a Malediction no longer cap stable, which is fine for an experienced pilot but rather kills it's appeal for newer ones. Again, I think that the reason the Crow is so popular is because it appeals to newer 'Ceptor pilots because it's so easy to fit and fly. More experienced ones know better. Fit a PDU at the expense of a speed mod and you've got sustainable cap. The Crow needs to fit a PDU with the same setup aswell so I'm not comparing a Crow with 3 speed lows to a Diction with 2. Even without a PDU the Dictions cap lasts for close to 14 minutes, the Crows lasts for about 4 minutes. --------------- you all smell!
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2008.03.01 18:06:00 - [49] Ah, good point on the PDU. I'm used to fitting with AWU V or the cheap +1% PG implant. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Traeon Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.03.01 18:08:00 - [50] Beam laser fitting requirements in general need to be looked at. I can't think of any sub bs ship except the Zealot where one would want to use top tier beams.
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.03.01 18:49:00 - [51] Edited by: Dianeces on 01/03/2008 18:50:34 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Other races can fit highest tier guns on their frigs/inties. Atleast have a decent chance of fitting it. There is no way in hell you can fit medium beams on a crusader. How would you feel if your race only had ONE assault frigate that was ONLY ship that could viably fit the highest tier of small guns? Youd be here whining about it too. Did you know that the only Minmatar frig that is able to fit a full rack of 280mm 2s and a 1MN MWD 2 is the Jaguar? And were you aware that having done so, with maxed fitting skills, it will have 1.65 PG left over? Quit failboating, you're making yourself look bad.
Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:34:00 - [52] Edited by: Jonny MoJo on 01/03/2008 19:35:25 Originally by: Dianeces Edited by: Dianeces on 01/03/2008 18:50:34 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Other races can fit highest tier guns on their frigs/inties. Atleast have a decent chance of fitting it. There is no way in hell you can fit medium beams on a crusader. How would you feel if your race only had ONE assault frigate that was ONLY ship that could viably fit the highest tier of small guns? Youd be here whining about it too. Did you know that the only Minmatar frig that is able to fit a full rack of 280mm 2s and a 1MN MWD 2 is the Jaguar? And were you aware that having done so, with maxed fitting skills, it will have 1.65 PG left over? Quit failboating, you're making yourself look bad. Quit talking Rubbish. Minmatar can fit FULL 280 Ii AND Standard Missile Lanucher and 1mn MWD II and scram and Speedtank of 6-7k+ E.G Claw 3 x 280 II, 1 x Arbalest Standard Missle Launcher 1MN MWD II, Faint Warp Disrupter 1 x MPAC, 3 X Speed/Agility Mods of choice (e.g any combo of Overdrive II, Nanofiber II and Interia Stab II) YES. ITS NOT A AF - ITS A CEPTER WITH SAME SLOT LAYOUT AS CRUSADER! Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
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Amira Shadowsong Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.01 23:29:00 - [54] Originally by: Jonny MoJo Edited by: Jonny MoJo on 01/03/2008 19:36:32 Originally by: Dianeces Edited by: Dianeces on 01/03/2008 18:50:34 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Other races can fit highest tier guns on their frigs/inties. Atleast have a decent chance of fitting it. There is no way in hell you can fit medium beams on a crusader. How would you feel if your race only had ONE assault frigate that was ONLY ship that could viably fit the highest tier of small guns? Youd be here whining about it too. Did you know that the only Minmatar frig that is able to fit a full rack of 280mm 2s and a 1MN MWD 2 is the Jaguar? And were you aware that having done so, with maxed fitting skills, it will have 1.65 PG left over? Quit failboating, you're making yourself look bad. Quit talking Rubbish. Minmatar can fit FULL 280 Ii AND Standard Missile Lanucher and 1mn MWD II and scram and Speedtank of 6-7k+ E.G Claw 3 x 280 II, 1 x Arbalest Standard Missle Launcher 1MN MWD II, Faint Warp Disrupter 1 x MPAC, 3 X Speed/Agility Mods of choice (e.g any combo of Overdrive II, Nanofiber II and Interia Stab II) YES. ITS NOT A AF - ITS A CEPTER WITH SAME SLOT LAYOUT AS CRUSADER! AND IT HAS 27k OPTIMAL with T2 Ammo I think this is called: "owned"
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.03.01 23:41:00 - [55] Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Originally by: Jonny MoJo Edited by: Jonny MoJo on 01/03/2008 19:36:32 Originally by: Dianeces Edited by: Dianeces on 01/03/2008 18:50:34 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Other races can fit highest tier guns on their frigs/inties. Atleast have a decent chance of fitting it. There is no way in hell you can fit medium beams on a crusader. How would you feel if your race only had ONE assault frigate that was ONLY ship that could viably fit the highest tier of small guns? Youd be here whining about it too. Did you know that the only Minmatar frig that is able to fit a full rack of 280mm 2s and a 1MN MWD 2 is the Jaguar? And were you aware that having done so, with maxed fitting skills, it will have 1.65 PG left over? Quit failboating, you're making yourself look bad. Quit talking Rubbish. Minmatar can fit FULL 280 Ii AND Standard Missile Lanucher and 1mn MWD II and scram and Speedtank of 6-7k+ E.G Claw 3 x 280 II, 1 x Arbalest Standard Missle Launcher 1MN MWD II, Faint Warp Disrupter 1 x MPAC, 3 X Speed/Agility Mods of choice (e.g any combo of Overdrive II, Nanofiber II and Interia Stab II) YES. ITS NOT A AF - ITS A CEPTER WITH SAME SLOT LAYOUT AS CRUSADER! AND IT HAS 27k OPTIMAL with T2 Ammo I think this is called: "owned" ZOMBIE GHOSTS LEAVE THIS PLACE! Also, assuming a Claw had 4 turret hardpoints, your setup wouldn't allow it to fit a fourth turret. So I guess that means we should give the Crusader 3 turret hardpoints and a missile hardpoint, then you should be able to fit everything nicely.
Donny HoBo Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.02 00:22:00 - [56] Originally by: Jonny MoJo Edited by: Jonny MoJo on 01/03/2008 19:36:32 Originally by: Dianeces Edited by: Dianeces on 01/03/2008 18:50:34 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Other races can fit highest tier guns on their frigs/inties. Atleast have a decent chance of fitting it. There is no way in hell you can fit medium beams on a crusader. How would you feel if your race only had ONE assault frigate that was ONLY ship that could viably fit the highest tier of small guns? Youd be here whining about it too. Did you know that the only Minmatar frig that is able to fit a full rack of 280mm 2s and a 1MN MWD 2 is the Jaguar? And were you aware that having done so, with maxed fitting skills, it will have 1.65 PG left over? Quit failboating, you're making yourself look bad. Quit talking Rubbish. Minmatar can fit FULL 280 Ii AND Standard Missile Lanucher and 1mn MWD II and scram and Speedtank of 6-7k+ E.G Claw 3 x 280 II, 1 x Arbalest Standard Missle Launcher 1MN MWD II, Faint Warp Disrupter 1 x MPAC, 3 X Speed/Agility Mods of choice (e.g any combo of Overdrive II, Nanofiber II and Interia Stab II) YES. ITS NOT A AF - ITS A CEPTER WITH SAME SLOT LAYOUT AS CRUSADER! AND IT HAS 27k OPTIMAL with T2 Ammo Thats really useful when it can only lock to 22km, nice work cousin! I am Donny HoBo, Jonny MoJo's more intelligent Minmatar cousin.
Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.02 00:33:00 - [57] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Originally by: Jonny MoJo Quit talking Rubbish. Minmatar can fit FULL 280 Ii AND Standard Missile Lanucher and 1mn MWD II and scram and Speedtank of 6-7k+ E.G Claw 3 x 280 II, 1 x Arbalest Standard Missle Launcher 1MN MWD II, Faint Warp Disrupter 1 x MPAC, 3 X Speed/Agility Mods of choice (e.g any combo of Overdrive II, Nanofiber II and Interia Stab II) YES. ITS NOT A AF - ITS A CEPTER WITH SAME SLOT LAYOUT AS CRUSADER! AND IT HAS 27k OPTIMAL with T2 Ammo I think this is called: "owned" ZOMBIE GHOSTS LEAVE THIS PLACE! Also, assuming a Claw had 4 turret hardpoints, your setup wouldn't allow it to fit a fourth turret. So I guess that means we should give the Crusader 3 turret hardpoints and a missile hardpoint, then you should be able to fit everything nicely. Do you even play this game? Or are you some kind of a zombie ghost wannabe? WTF are you on about 4 turret claw? Claw has 3 turret, 1 launcher. A 4 turret claw does not exist. But 3 x 280 II + STANDARD LAUNCHER - not a rocket crap, is amazing. You cannot even get 3 SML on a malediction without pain and suffering. Lol Look, first you say that 280 II is impossible for minmatar. I prove you wrong. Hell dam, you just got OWNED when you relised that you can fit a OMG setup with 27km optimal! Since you are Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
Donny HoBo Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.02 00:36:00 - [58] Originally by: Jonny MoJo Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Originally by: Jonny MoJo Quit talking Rubbish. Minmatar can fit FULL 280 Ii AND Standard Missile Lanucher and 1mn MWD II and scram and Speedtank of 6-7k+ E.G Claw 3 x 280 II, 1 x Arbalest Standard Missle Launcher 1MN MWD II, Faint Warp Disrupter 1 x MPAC, 3 X Speed/Agility Mods of choice (e.g any combo of Overdrive II, Nanofiber II and Interia Stab II) YES. ITS NOT A AF - ITS A CEPTER WITH SAME SLOT LAYOUT AS CRUSADER! AND IT HAS 27k OPTIMAL with T2 Ammo I think this is called: "owned" ZOMBIE GHOSTS LEAVE THIS PLACE! Also, assuming a Claw had 4 turret hardpoints, your setup wouldn't allow it to fit a fourth turret. So I guess that means we should give the Crusader 3 turret hardpoints and a missile hardpoint, then you should be able to fit everything nicely. Do you even play this game? Or are you some kind of a zombie ghost wannabe? WTF are you on about 4 turret claw? Claw has 3 turret, 1 launcher. A 4 turret claw does not exist. But 3 x 280 II + STANDARD LAUNCHER - not a rocket crap, is amazing. You cannot even get 3 SML on a malediction without pain and suffering. Lol Look, first you say that 280 II is impossible for minmatar. I prove you wrong. Hell dam, you just got OWNED when you relised that you can fit a OMG setup with 27km optimal! Since you are Conveniently ignoring my post with its reality cousin? I am Donny HoBo, Jonny MoJo's more intelligent Minmatar cousin.
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.03.02 00:45:00 - [59] Originally by: Jonny MoJo Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Originally by: Jonny MoJo Quit talking Rubbish. Minmatar can fit FULL 280 Ii AND Standard Missile Lanucher and 1mn MWD II and scram and Speedtank of 6-7k+ E.G Claw 3 x 280 II, 1 x Arbalest Standard Missle Launcher 1MN MWD II, Faint Warp Disrupter 1 x MPAC, 3 X Speed/Agility Mods of choice (e.g any combo of Overdrive II, Nanofiber II and Interia Stab II) YES. ITS NOT A AF - ITS A CEPTER WITH SAME SLOT LAYOUT AS CRUSADER! AND IT HAS 27k OPTIMAL with T2 Ammo I think this is called: "owned" ZOMBIE GHOSTS LEAVE THIS PLACE! Also, assuming a Claw had 4 turret hardpoints, your setup wouldn't allow it to fit a fourth turret. So I guess that means we should give the Crusader 3 turret hardpoints and a missile hardpoint, then you should be able to fit everything nicely. Do you even play this game? Or are you some kind of a zombie ghost wannabe? WTF are you on about 4 turret claw? Claw has 3 turret, 1 launcher. A 4 turret claw does not exist. But 3 x 280 II + STANDARD LAUNCHER - not a rocket crap, is amazing. You cannot even get 3 SML on a malediction without pain and suffering. Lol Look, first you say that 280 II is impossible for minmatar. I prove you wrong. Hell dam, you just got OWNED when you relised that you can fit a OMG setup with 27km optimal! Since you are Jesus, you fail so hard it's not funny. I'll quote my post for you. Originally by: Dianeces Also, assuming a Claw had 4 turret hardpoints That would be a hypothetical Claw. One with 4 turret hardpoints, no less. Since you're on about not being able to fit a full rack of your highest-tier long range guns, why don't we drop a turret hardpoint on the Crusader, and add a missile hardpoint, that way you would be able to fit a full rack? In this case, Minmatar's split weapons system actually count for something. So give up, and crawl back under your rock. Alternatively, ZOMBIE GHOSTS LEAVE THIS PLACE!
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.02 00:53:00 - [60] 00:49:20 Info Jonny MoJo is either offline or otherwise unreachable. (lol?) 00:50:09 Info No owner can be found with 'Jonny JoJo' in the beginning of its name. (thats his former trolling alt, seems like it got banned) So much for trying to send hatemail All you need to do is petition him, please everyone do this and make S&M a better place! *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. Originally by: Mitnal Locked, one troll after another. Mitnal, Community Representative

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