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Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.01 09:12:00 - [1] Hello, I am looking to fit a Amarr frig with beam lasers. However, everything seems to be impossible to fit with a scram and Mwd. How would you fit out a Amarr frig with beams? And is it possible to fit them with non-lowest tier frig beams? Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.01 11:56:00 - [2] Beam-Saider is pretty nice. . .I suggest you look into one of those. It is a frig. -----------
Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.01 12:02:00 - [3] Originally by: Atius Tirawa Beam-Saider is pretty nice. . .I suggest you look into one of those. It is a frig. How do you fit a Beam-Sader? I trued to fit it with medium beam lasers but it wont fit. And with dual lights, I may as well fly a crow insted. Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.01 12:19:00 - [4] Medium Beams have too high pg. They need a tweak. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
Cecil Montague Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.01 12:35:00 - [5] Beam Sader 4 Dual Light Beams II's named 1MN MWD J5 20km scram Lows can be an OD II/ Nanofibre II fit for speed or you can through in some HS II's for more damage. Play around and see what you like best. Feel free to upgrade the mids to T2 if you can fit it. I'm not at home atm so i can't double check. Easily a match for a crow and like many amarr ships it's underestimated and underpriced. "There is no such thing as an effective segment of totality." - Bruce Lee
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.01 12:38:00 - [6] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 01/03/2008 12:38:42 Other races can fit highest tier guns on their frigs/inties. Atleast have a decent chance of fitting it. There is no way in hell you can fit medium beams on a crusader. How would you feel if your race only had ONE assault frigate that was ONLY ship that could viably fit the highest tier of small guns? Youd be here whining about it too. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
Van Steiza Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.01 12:48:00 - [7] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 01/03/2008 12:38:42 Other races can fit highest tier guns on their frigs/inties. Atleast have a decent chance of fitting it. There is no way in hell you can fit medium beams on a crusader. How would you feel if your race only had ONE assault frigate that was ONLY ship that could viably fit the highest tier of small guns? Youd be here whining about it too. Dude wtf Medium guns you mean cruiser sized guns on a frig? or Medium tier? like Ions neutrons electrons etc etc. Its not easy to fit highest tier small guns on a cruiser without a small tank or a mwd etc etc anyway sooo..... You people all you do is complain lol. ----------------------------------------------- Stop removing my Sig its fine!!!! Nerf Moderaters.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.01 12:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Van Steiza Dude wtf Medium guns you mean cruiser sized guns on a frig? or Medium tier? like Ions neutrons electrons etc etc. Its not easy to fit highest tier small guns on a cruiser without a small tank or a mwd etc etc anyway sooo..... You people all you do is complain lol. facepalm+headtodesk+hairpull The highest tier of small amarr guns are called MEDIUM beam/pulse laser. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
Van Steiza Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.01 12:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Van Steiza Dude wtf Medium guns you mean cruiser sized guns on a frig? or Medium tier? like Ions neutrons electrons etc etc. Its not easy to fit highest tier small guns on a cruiser without a small tank or a mwd etc etc anyway sooo..... You people all you do is complain lol. facepalm+headtodesk+hairpull The highest tier of small amarr guns are called MEDIUM beam/pulse laser. ahah mybad. ----------------------------------------------- Stop removing my Sig its fine!!!! Nerf Moderaters.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.01 12:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Van Steiza Dude wtf Medium guns you mean cruiser sized guns on a frig? or Medium tier? like Ions neutrons electrons etc etc. Its not easy to fit highest tier small guns on a cruiser without a small tank or a mwd etc etc anyway sooo..... You people all you do is complain lol. facepalm+headtodesk+hairpull The highest tier of small amarr guns are called MEDIUM beam/pulse laser. Yeah but he made a point on the last part he said. Besides that, its pretty much hard to fit a scram mwd highest tier guns on ANY of the frigs...so....yeah....stop whining? *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. Originally by: Mitnal Locked, one troll after another. Mitnal, Community Representative
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:04:00 - [11] Edited by: Erotic Irony on 01/03/2008 13:04:04 Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Van Steiza Dude wtf Medium guns you mean cruiser sized guns on a frig? or Medium tier? like Ions neutrons electrons etc etc. Its not easy to fit highest tier small guns on a cruiser without a small tank or a mwd etc etc anyway sooo..... You people all you do is complain lol. facepalm+headtodesk+hairpull The highest tier of small amarr guns are called MEDIUM beam/pulse laser. Yeah but he made a point on the last part he said. Besides that, its pretty much hard to fit a scram mwd highest tier guns on ANY of the frigs...so....yeah....stop whining? crusader medium beam II x4 1 MN MWD II empty mid PDS II x3 CoPro II Ancillary currents x2 That is pretty godawful that with max skills it requires 6 fitting mods, I very much doubt the taranis or crow much less the scrambler inties are in this bad of a position using standard missiles or 150mm rails and certainly not the minmatar ceptors. How can anyone call this parity? ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:22:00 - [12] Edited by: Jonny MoJo on 01/03/2008 13:22:35 Originally by: Erotic Irony Edited by: Erotic Irony on 01/03/2008 13:04:04 Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Van Steiza Dude wtf Medium guns you mean cruiser sized guns on a frig? or Medium tier? like Ions neutrons electrons etc etc. Its not easy to fit highest tier small guns on a cruiser without a small tank or a mwd etc etc anyway sooo..... You people all you do is complain lol. facepalm+headtodesk+hairpull The highest tier of small amarr guns are called MEDIUM beam/pulse laser. Yeah but he made a point on the last part he said. Besides that, its pretty much hard to fit a scram mwd highest tier guns on ANY of the frigs...so....yeah....stop whining? crusader medium beam II x4 1 MN MWD II empty mid PDS II x3 CoPro II Ancillary currents x2 That is pretty godawful that with max skills it requires 6 fitting mods, I very much doubt the taranis or crow much less the scrambler inties are in this bad of a position using standard missiles or 150mm rails and certainly not the minmatar ceptors. How can anyone call this parity? exactly. amarr beams are borked Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:22:00 - [13] Edited by: welsh wizard on 01/03/2008 13:24:34 Originally by: Erotic Irony Edited by: Erotic Irony on 01/03/2008 13:04:04 Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Van Steiza Dude wtf Medium guns you mean cruiser sized guns on a frig? or Medium tier? like Ions neutrons electrons etc etc. Its not easy to fit highest tier small guns on a cruiser without a small tank or a mwd etc etc anyway sooo..... You people all you do is complain lol. facepalm+headtodesk+hairpull The highest tier of small amarr guns are called MEDIUM beam/pulse laser. Yeah but he made a point on the last part he said. Besides that, its pretty much hard to fit a scram mwd highest tier guns on ANY of the frigs...so....yeah....stop whining? crusader medium beam II x4 1 MN MWD II empty mid PDS II x3 CoPro II Ancillary currents x2 That is pretty godawful that with max skills it requires 6 fitting mods, I very much doubt the taranis or crow much less the scrambler inties are in this bad of a position using standard missiles or 150mm rails and certainly not the minmatar ceptors. How can anyone call this parity? Because despite all this the crusader still manages to be arguably the best all-round combat interceptor? Guess what? The Maledictions better than the Crow in every way too, its only deficiency is approx 15 less dps, hardly of consequence for an interceptor! --------------- you all smell!
Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:27:00 - [14] Originally by: welsh wizard Because despite all this the crusader still manages to be arguably the best all-round combat interceptor? Guess what? The Maledictions better than the Crow in every way too, its only deficiency is approx 15 less dps, hardly of consequence for an interceptor! Crusader, if it had grid, would struggle to kill a hauler with a scram on the hauler with med beam lasers. Malediction was reacently fixed, so its reasonable ok. I am not talking about missle ships, I am talking about putting proper beam lasers on a amarr frig. Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:40:00 - [15] Edited by: welsh wizard on 01/03/2008 13:41:20 Originally by: Jonny MoJo Originally by: welsh wizard Because despite all this the crusader still manages to be arguably the best all-round combat interceptor? Guess what? The Maledictions better than the Crow in every way too, its only deficiency is approx 15 less dps, hardly of consequence for an interceptor! Crusader, if it had grid, would struggle to kill a hauler with a scram on the hauler with med beam lasers. Malediction was reacently fixed, so its reasonable ok. I am not talking about missle ships, I am talking about putting proper beam lasers on a amarr frig. And you think a Crow doesn't struggle? Or the Ares, or the Raptor? Infact anything but the taranis? Crows rarely get that luxury without some skillful bumping. The Crusader is a very very nice interceptor, Amarr have the best interceptors currently. You're just trying to kick up a trolling argument for the sake of it aren't you? --------------- you all smell!
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:45:00 - [16] Originally by: welsh wizard And you think a Crow doesn't struggle? Or the Ares, or the Raptor? Infact anything but the taranis? Crows rarely get that luxury without some skillful bumping. The Crusader is a very very nice interceptor, Amarr have the best interceptors currently. You're just trying to kick up a trolling argument for the sake of it aren't you? Yeah the amarr ceptors arent bad. Thats not the real issue here. Wouldnt you think its utterly stupid to put in a weapon that can only be used by ONE ship? Even Medium PULSE is hard to fit and you can dream on fitting Medium BEAM on anything except on a retribution. And we all know how godawful AFs are. So basically what we have is a weapon that isnt used. Amarr DO NOT HAVE A HIGH TIER SMALL TURRET. This is the problem. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:49:00 - [17] Originally by: welsh wizard Because despite all this the crusader still manages to be arguably the best all-round combat interceptor? Guess what? The Maledictions better than the Crow in every way too, its only deficiency is approx 15 less dps, hardly of consequence for an interceptor! No the crow is still king, full damage bonus out of the box combined with the velocity bonus means t1 rockets act like javelins without speed penalty on the malediction. On top of that you have better cpu on crow which means multiple faction mods so you can actually disrupt out to your 40km lock range (-10 on malediction) or an easier damage control/armor rep can fit in the mids & lows where they wouldn't on other CPU gimped ceptors. You could upgrade the rockets to standard II or arbalest and the fitting and quality gap between the malediction and crow becomes even more obvious. The malediction is versatile and lots of fun but hardly best when faced with the alternatives. You can even have an improved cloak with 3 arbalest and your fit is intact. I'm not sure how you can say the malediction is better and then say the crusader is the best all around interceptor either--sure you can fit four guns but if you fit largest caliber like a crow or taranis, you can't even squeeze a damage control or anything in the lows much less bring a scrambler. 4 medium beams and no scrambler? Why bother with an interceptor that can't intercept? Also, what do you mean by best? Top damage on mails? That's not exactly the kind of parity the ship needs and thats to say nothing of the accuracy of killmail damage hierarchy, namely, you're doing the most shield damage not effective damage overall. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:51:00 - [18] Well given the fact that the performance of basically all of the Amarr frigates is pretty much optimal and balanced perhaps you don't need a higher tier frigate turret? :P The Punisher is fantastic, both the Amarr assault frigates are very good and we've already discussed the interceptors. The only problem in my eyes with Amarr frigates is the missing one! --------------- you all smell!
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:54:00 - [19] Originally by: welsh wizard The Maledictions better than the Crow in every way too, its only deficiency is approx 15 less dps, hardly of consequence for an interceptor! Uhm, is this why people fit SML on crows instead of RLs? The crow does more damage at greater range. There is also nothing wrong with kinetic dmg type, its one of the best. Fitting SMLs on malediction is like using a pea shooter. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:55:00 - [20] Edited by: welsh wizard on 01/03/2008 13:55:28 The Malediction is faster, tackles further, its tougher (loads more effective HP), better capacitor sustainability even with a sensor booster fitted. Like I say its single disadvantage is damage. I can't believe you even bought rockets up, the Malediction is a thoroughbred rocket ship, the Crow dies. Whats more the Malediction is a better light missile boat too. It can fit a perfect light missile setup with no fitting mods, just like the Crow. Almost 3000 kills in a Crow gives me the kind of experience required to make these insights btw. --------------- you all smell!
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:55:00 - [21] Originally by: welsh wizard Well given the fact that the performance of basically all of the Amarr frigates is pretty much optimal and balanced perhaps you don't need a higher tier frigate turret? :P The Punisher is fantastic, both the Amarr assault frigates are very good and we've already discussed the interceptors. The only problem in my eyes with Amarr frigates is the missing one! WTF? Why shouldnt we have a high tier small turret like everyone else? -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: welsh wizard Well given the fact that the performance of basically all of the Amarr frigates is pretty much optimal and balanced perhaps you don't need a higher tier frigate turret? :P The Punisher is fantastic, both the Amarr assault frigates are very good and we've already discussed the interceptors. The only problem in my eyes with Amarr frigates is the missing one! WTF? Why shouldnt we have a high tier small turret like everyone else? Perhaps you need an extra lower tier turret? --------------- you all smell!
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:56:00 - [23] I would agree with this JoJo, but then again, it's a JoJo, so agreeing with it it's bad for your health. He does have a point, but it's not nothing that we didn't knew already. --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:57:00 - [24] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 01/03/2008 13:55:28 The Malediction is faster, tackles further, its tougher (loads more effective HP), better capacitor sustainability even with a sensor booster fitted. Like I say its single disadvantage is damage. I can't believe you even bought rockets up, the Malediction is a thoroughbred rocket ship, the Crow dies. Whats more the Malediction is a better light missile boat too. It can fit a perfect light missile setup with no fitting mods, just like the Crow. Almost 3000 kills in a Crow gives me the kind of experience required to make these insights btw. Malediction with SML is fail. Try it and compare it to a SML crow. fail fail fail. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:58:00 - [25] Originally by: welsh wizard Perhaps you need an extra lower tier turret? We want a *****ble high tier small turret because everything except the highest tier gun in all amarr turret sizes is somewhat underpowered. Go compare to other tier drops from high to medium. Thats why giving a low tier is lol, good thing you dont work at balancing department. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 01/03/2008 13:55:28 The Malediction is faster, tackles further, its tougher (loads more effective HP), better capacitor sustainability even with a sensor booster fitted. Like I say its single disadvantage is damage. I can't believe you even bought rockets up, the Malediction is a thoroughbred rocket ship, the Crow dies. Whats more the Malediction is a better light missile boat too. It can fit a perfect light missile setup with no fitting mods, just like the Crow. Almost 3000 kills in a Crow gives me the kind of experience required to make these insights btw. Malediction with SML is fail. Try it and compare it to a SML crow. fail fail fail. Why? As far as I can tell your only possible argument will be "because it does less damage". Anyway I'm off to work, will have to catch up with this later. --------------- you all smell!
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.01 14:04:00 - [27] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 01/03/2008 14:05:02 Originally by: welsh wizard Why? As far as I can tell your only possible argument will be "because it does less damage". Anyway I'm off to work, will have to catch up with this later. Uhm going from 37dps to 56dps and the added capability of loading precision lights in bays for a crummy 100m/s slower speed is a pretty good trade. SML crow >>>>>>> SML maled. Youre also avoiding the issue now: Why dont we get 3 small tiers of turrets when everyone else does? -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.01 14:23:00 - [28] Whats stopping the Malediction using precision lights? The Malediction already goes faster so its ging to suffer to a lesser extent than the Crow, and the range isn't even an issue, you still exceed your locking range easily with light missiles in a diction, even with a sensor booster fitted. Are you under the impression that you can't fit tech II missiles on a Diction? Because you can, easily. I already made my point, Amarr frigates are generally balanced using lower tier weaponry. I suppose you think we should increase the grid + cpu on Amarr frigates so everyone fits lower tier guns and overpowered tanks right? While I might be off topic you're just completely evading the argument because you know you're wrong. The Diction is plan better than the Crow in every way but damage. Anyway, can't keep this up, not supposed to be on t'internet at work. :P --------------- you all smell!
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.01 14:26:00 - [29] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 01/03/2008 13:55:28 The Malediction is faster, tackles further, its tougher (loads more effective HP), better capacitor sustainability even with a sensor booster fitted. Like I say its single disadvantage is damage. I can't believe you even bought rockets up, the Malediction is a thoroughbred rocket ship, the Crow dies. Whats more the Malediction is a better light missile boat too. It can fit a perfect light missile setup with no fitting mods, just like the Crow. You keep touting the malediction is better, faster but in reality it isn't. The hidden assumption you're making is that the malediction is faster and better at the ranges that crow operates at when in fact to operate at those extreme ranges you lower the speed of malediction and the cost of doing this is much more dramatic than +/- 10 dps, its about real survivability. Tackling at range in a malediction? A cloaked javelin fitted crow can reach out to its maximum lock range happily and with a faction disruptor tackle no problem, uncloaked javelin malediction can't do 30km rockets and tackle at that same time without falling into the low 5000's. Quote: Almost 3000 kills in a Crow gives me the kind of experience required to make these insights btw. purely anecdotal, 3000 skills don't prove anything at all--they just confirm that the premier missile frigate is still the crow because it touts extreme lock range, damage ability and tackling all rolled into one. It isn't a combat ceptor, it is the only ceptor for all intents and purposes. Really the crow should lose some lock range and the malediction should gain a 7.5% missile bonus to velocity ala the apoc to rohk rebalance so atleast we can put our missile skills to use in a meaningful way. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.01 14:34:00 - [30] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 01/03/2008 14:34:42 Originally by: welsh wizard I already made my point, Amarr frigates are generally balanced using lower tier weaponry. I suppose you think we should increase the grid + cpu on Amarr frigates so everyone fits lower tier guns and overpowered tanks right? While I might be off topic you're just completely evading the argument because you know you're wrong. The Diction is plan better than the Crow in every way but damage. Anyway, can't keep this up, not supposed to be on t'internet at work. :P Overpowered tanks on frigs? Smoke much? We want the high tier gunsto be F I T T A BLE. We dont want extra fitting on our frigs. What are you going on about the malediction? How is losing 100m/s not worth a dps boost from 37dps to 56dps? Are you serisouly high? And who needs tank and EHP at long ranges? Please go play this game. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare

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