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Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:15:00 - [1] In the past, CCP stoped other races from using Amarr weapons by increasing powergrid usage massivly as well as cap usage. This meant that non-amarr pilots would not use Amarr weapons. It also meant that Amarr pilots could not use it either without cripling themselves, but that is another story. However, the 0 cap usage of Minmatar guns is unbalanceing the game as Amarr pilots use minmatar weapons on their ships. So to fix this, I suggest that each minmatar weapon have a straight 20% CPU increase, thus forcing Amarr pilots to not fit them. Also, since laser ammo is cap, I amarr pilots will still use projectiles anyway, since they are used to several fitting mods on their ships when using lasers. So to stop them, I suggest that all minmatar guns get a 40% drop in ammo capacity, and a bonus of 10% extra ammo per level. THis matches up squarly with 10% cap useage fix done on Amarr Lasers. Either this is a good fix or a stupid one. If you think its good fix, then you agree with CCP's Logic behind original Amarr nerf. If you think its stupid, then you Admit CCP's logic behind Amarr nerf is also stupid What do you think? Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:16:00 - [2] i think your post is stupid as allways. ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:17:00 - [3] Originally by: Riho i think your post is stupid as allways. How Ironic. Thanks for admiting you lack a opinion of your own. The definition of stupidity. Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
Waxau The Fated	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:18:00 - [4] HOLY PANCAKES BATMAN! JoJo's fifth whine of the week! Just one more, and it'll be like a normal week!
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:18:00 - [5] I think you need to go outside.
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:26:00 - [6] Edited by: Wu Jiun on 01/03/2008 19:26:42 I still think you are really flying minnies and try to make look amarr players stupid and ignorant on the forums or so. Hope you get banned soon.
Valenthra	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:28:00 - [7] Every now and then Jojo makes a good point. This topic isn't.
Slide	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:34:00 - [8] Dear Johnny Yawnjo, ehrm Johnny Moyawn, ehrm i mean Yawny mojo, thanks for your post's......every time i can't sleep i read one of your threadzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Aramark Omega Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.01 20:55:00 - [9] you have no idea how to fly amarr that is a fact. ----------------------------------------- Aramark unbanned and afraid
Guer	Posted - 2008.03.01 21:00:00 - [10] This fix is stupid. Your pathetic attempts at logic are stupid as well.
Donny HoBo Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.01 21:16:00 - [11] I can balance this for you easily cousin. Remove the cap usage bonus from the guns and replace it with a 5% per level damage bonus. Then to compensate for this reduce the ridiculously overpowered damage of lasers by 50%. This will bring them inline for damage. Then reduce the optimal range of all lasers by 50% as well. We then reduce the cap usage on the guns by 25% and reduce the capacitor of all Amarr ships by 50%. Then lastly we make all laser crystals expire after firing 10 shots. Now to fix projectiles. Increase their cap usage by 100% (yes it will now be 0) and increase the cap of all Minmatar ships by 25% to compensate. We then need to fix their pathetic damage and range. So what we do is increase the damage and range of all projectiles by 50%. I am Donny HoBo, Jonny MoJo's more intelligent Minmatar cousin.
Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.01 22:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Donny HoBo I can balance this for you easily cousin. Remove the cap usage bonus from the guns and replace it with a 5% per level damage bonus. Then to compensate for this reduce the ridiculously overpowered damage of lasers by 50%. . Excellent Idea. Lets firstly remove all cap usage to balance lasers with Minmatar guns. Now, since a Temptest does more DPS with 6 guns than a apoc does with 8, that 5% per level will come in handy to match the Amarr to match Minmatar Damage output. Great idea since Amarr weapons do less DPS than Minmatar ones. Cousin Hobo, you did attend math yes? Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
Vyllana	Posted - 2008.03.01 22:26:00 - [13] Arguing with your own board posting alt, nice ;x
Donny HoBo Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.01 22:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Jonny MoJo Originally by: Donny HoBo I can balance this for you easily cousin. Remove the cap usage bonus from the guns and replace it with a 5% per level damage bonus. Then to compensate for this reduce the ridiculously overpowered damage of lasers by 50%. . Excellent Idea. Lets firstly remove all cap usage to balance lasers with Minmatar guns. Now, since a Temptest does more DPS with 6 guns than a apoc does with 8, that 5% per level will come in handy to match the Amarr to match Minmatar Damage output. Great idea since Amarr weapons do less DPS than Minmatar ones. Cousin Hobo, you did attend math yes? Your analysis that a Tempest out damages an Apoc in any scenario or that Amarr weapons do less DPS than any other weapons is incorrect. However, your assessment of my solution as excellent is spot on. My solution is perfect in its entirety and CCP should implement my proposed changes, in full, immediately. I am Donny HoBo, Jonny MoJo's more intelligent Minmatar cousin.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.01 22:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Jonny MoJo Originally by: Riho i think your post is stupid as allways. How Ironic. Thanks for admiting you lack a opinion of your own. The definition of stupidity. Actually you mean ignorance, not stupidity Nice try /me applauds ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.01 23:01:00 - [16] Edited by: Jonny MoJo on 01/03/2008 23:02:41 Originally by: Donny HoBo Your analysis that a Tempest out damages an Apoc in any scenario or that Amarr weapons do less DPS than any other weapons is incorrect. Assuming no damagemods. Temptest with 6 x 800 II + t2 Close range ammo = 500dps+ Apoc with 8 x megapulse II + t2 close range ammo = 450dps Average Tempest gun damage = 84DPS Average apoc gun damage = 56dps Gap is higher with damage mods since Apoc needs cap relays, fitting mods etc to match temptest. Each temptest gun does 28 DPS more per gun, which is a 50% increase of damave over laser apoc gun. Therefore your analasys must have worked backwords. But since, Cousin, you are a HoBo, that is why you are Minmatar Slave and not Amarr Ruler. Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
Donny HoBo Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.01 23:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Jonny MoJo Edited by: Jonny MoJo on 01/03/2008 23:02:41 Originally by: Donny HoBo Your analysis that a Tempest out damages an Apoc in any scenario or that Amarr weapons do less DPS than any other weapons is incorrect. Assuming no damagemods. Temptest with 6 x 800 II + t2 Close range ammo = 300dps Apoc with 8 x megapulse II + t2 close range ammo = 500dps Average Tempest gun damage = 84DPS Average apoc gun damage = 56dps Gap is higher with damage mods since Apoc needs cap relays, fitting mods etc to match temptest. Each temptest gun does 28 DPS more per gun, which is a 50% increase of damave over laser apoc gun. Therefore your analasys must have worked backwords. But since, Cousin, you are a HoBo, that is why you are Minmatar Slave and not Amarr Ruler. Fixed for you, cousin I am Donny HoBo, Jonny MoJo's more intelligent Minmatar cousin.
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.01 23:13:00 - [18] apoc gets a built in cap bonus in next boost patch. cap bonus changed to optimal bonus. new uber sniper has been created. great range... no ammo relaod lag etc etc ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Pavlinka Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.01 23:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Riho i think your post is stupid as allways. this ... ur post are in way "nerf u, buff me!" Pavlinka & Pavlinecka
Valenthra	Posted - 2008.03.01 23:19:00 - [20] When I saw Donny Hobo I was 100% that this man is a troll... actually thaught he wanted to actually say something before ^^
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.01 23:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Valenthra Every now and then Jojo makes a good point. This topic isn't.
Pavlinka Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.01 23:26:00 - [22] Originally by: Jonny MoJo Temptest with 6 x 800 II + t2 Close range ammo = 500dps+ Apoc with 8 x megapulse II + t2 close range ammo = 450dps Have you ever fly tempest? Compare tanks . And now, have you looked at what T2 projectile ammo do? Those "bonuses"? Noone use it, cos it simply sux so hard ... Pavlinka & Pavlinecka
Donny HoBo Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.01 23:34:00 - [23] Edited by: Donny HoBo on 01/03/2008 23:34:09 No he hasnt flown the Tempest or any AC ship. This is why he doesnt understand that ACs do about 50% of their paper DPS where as lasers do about 90% of their paper DPS. He also seems to have the strange idea that ACs have a higher paper DPS than laser which they do not. On top of that lasers have superior range and dont need to reload. Add to that that EM will be the best damage type and thermal the second best after the resistance changes. Amarr were over powered to begin with, after the changes it will be ridiculous. I am Donny HoBo, Jonny MoJo's more intelligent Minmatar cousin.
Nasta443	Posted - 2008.03.01 23:50:00 - [24] Edited by: Nasta443 on 01/03/2008 23:50:44 Edited by: Nasta443 on 01/03/2008 23:50:31 Originally by: Donny HoBo No he hasnt flown the Tempest or any AC ship. This is why he doesnt understand that ACs do about 50% of their paper DPS where as lasers do about 90% of their paper DPS. Not to mention a tempest can fit 0 damage mods with something like a normal tank. whereas the amarr ships can. Quote: Amarr were over powered to begin with, after the changes it will be ridiculous. Yes. In fact they got already overpowered when their got their mad tracking.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.01 23:51:00 - [25] Originally by: Donny HoBo Edited by: Donny HoBo on 01/03/2008 23:34:09 No he hasnt flown the Tempest or any AC ship. This is why he doesnt understand that ACs do about 50% of their paper DPS where as lasers do about 90% of their paper DPS. He also seems to have the strange idea that ACs have a higher paper DPS than laser which they do not. On top of that lasers have superior range and dont need to reload. Add to that that EM will be the best damage type and thermal the second best after the resistance changes. Amarr were over powered to begin with, after the changes it will be ridiculous. This. and... IBTL. *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. Originally by: Mitnal Locked, one troll after another. Mitnal, Community Representative
Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.02 00:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Donny HoBo Edited by: Donny HoBo on 01/03/2008 23:34:09 No he hasnt flown the Tempest or any AC ship. This is why he doesnt understand that ACs do about 50% of their paper DPS where as lasers do about 90% of their paper DPS. He also seems to have the strange idea that ACs have a higher paper DPS than laser which they do not. On top of that lasers have superior range and dont need to reload. Add to that that EM will be the best damage type and thermal the second best after the resistance changes. Amarr were over powered to begin with, after the changes it will be ridiculous. Obviously you have never flown amarr ships since most Amarr ships do almost 0 DPS due to lack of cap. If you orbited that apoc with your minmatar typyhoon, and lets saw we webbed your phoon to 20 m/s at 1km distace, 40% of apoc + conflag shots would miss. BTW - Temptest do 500+ dps with NO damage mods and 6 x 800 II + t2 close range ammo. please do some math cousin. I know that your side of your family has inbreeding, since oyu are but a slave child of a Minmatar concubine. I do not hold it against you cousin, but really, you should learn to do maths. Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
Donny HoBo Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.02 00:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Jonny MoJo Originally by: Donny HoBo Edited by: Donny HoBo on 01/03/2008 23:34:09 No he hasnt flown the Tempest or any AC ship. This is why he doesnt understand that ACs do about 50% of their paper DPS where as lasers do about 90% of their paper DPS. He also seems to have the strange idea that ACs have a higher paper DPS than laser which they do not. On top of that lasers have superior range and dont need to reload. Add to that that EM will be the best damage type and thermal the second best after the resistance changes. Amarr were over powered to begin with, after the changes it will be ridiculous. Obviously you have never flown amarr ships since most Amarr ships do almost 0 DPS due to lack of cap. If you orbited that apoc with your minmatar typyhoon, and lets saw we webbed your phoon to 20 m/s at 1km distace, 40% of apoc + conflag shots would miss. BTW - Temptest do 500+ dps with NO damage mods and 6 x 800 II + t2 close range ammo. please do some math cousin. I know that your side of your family has inbreeding, since oyu are but a slave child of a Minmatar concubine. I do not hold it against you cousin, but really, you should learn to do maths. Sorry child but again you fail yourself. On PAPER I agree that the Tempest does about 500 DPS without damage mods. However, paper IS NOT reality. In reality it struggles to achieve that with 3 tech 2 damage mods fitted AND to do so it must sacrifice its tank. This means it would mostly likely die before it had even knocked down your Amarr uber tanks shields. I am Donny HoBo, Jonny MoJo's more intelligent Minmatar cousin.
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.03.02 00:26:00 - [28] Originally by: Jonny MoJo Originally by: Donny HoBo Edited by: Donny HoBo on 01/03/2008 23:34:09 No he hasnt flown the Tempest or any AC ship. This is why he doesnt understand that ACs do about 50% of their paper DPS where as lasers do about 90% of their paper DPS. He also seems to have the strange idea that ACs have a higher paper DPS than laser which they do not. On top of that lasers have superior range and dont need to reload. Add to that that EM will be the best damage type and thermal the second best after the resistance changes. Amarr were over powered to begin with, after the changes it will be ridiculous. Obviously you have never flown amarr ships since most Amarr ships do almost 0 DPS due to lack of cap. If you orbited that apoc with your minmatar typyhoon, and lets saw we webbed your phoon to 20 m/s at 1km distace, 40% of apoc + conflag shots would miss. BTW - Temptest do 500+ dps with NO damage mods and 6 x 800 II + t2 close range ammo. please do some math cousin. I know that your side of your family has inbreeding, since oyu are but a slave child of a Minmatar concubine. I do not hold it against you cousin, but really, you should learn to do maths. ZOMBIE GHOSTS LEAVE THIS PLACE!
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.02 00:36:00 - [29] I have a good one to improve your laser performance mw whine: Train the energy skills to 4/5 (look them up in eft, you could also do this in game but that requires you to install it first). Train the specefic shipskills to 4/5. Train up controlled burst (look them up in eft as well since you still didnt installed eve online). Also train up biology to 5 as well, should give you less brainfarts. Also, drinking and firing lasers doesnt work together, so cut down on the first one. Because I, destroyer of worlds, maker of the best chocolate cookies in the world say so, it is true! Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. Originally by: Mitnal Locked, one troll after another. Mitnal, Community Representative
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.03.02 01:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Jonny MoJo Originally by: Dianeces ZOMBIE GHOSTS LEAVE THIS PLACE! I think you have some kind of mental phobia. All I see you do is act like one of those crazed loon's you get waking around parking lots shouting "the world is ending" and so on. But then again, you are minmatar, and since oyu lack a solid argument, all you can do is call on non-existant zombies. ZOMBIE GHOSTS LEAVE THIS PLACE!

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If you think its good fix, then you agree with CCP's Logic behind original Amarr nerf. If you think its stupid, then you Admit CCP's logic behind Amarr nerf is also stupid