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DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:17:00 - [1] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 01/03/2008 19:18:19 Alright this is becoming just plain stupid now. Something has to be done about logistic ships! CCP complains that rigs would make tanking too hard to break. Well so far the teams that are winning, or AT THE WORST not losing, are dual logistic boredom set-ups! The counter to it is ECM, but guess what.... REMOTE (yes has to be remote) ECCM is stronger than ECM since it doesnt stack. So you cant jam the logistics ships with the curses running remote eccm. The matches are boring as hell, but you cannot blame any team using it. Everyone wants to win. The problem is that everyone is trying not to lose! So remote rep and hope you can kill a ship on the other side. Eliminate logistic ships (from the game in all honesty) or fix the amount they rep, or point system. This is really rediculous now, WildCat
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:20:00 - [2] I've watched a few natches where the logtisics ships died fast. goon match for instance, they lost but with the right set up down they go. but ECCM should stack.
Krasnij Okjabre Caldari Havoc Inc Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:20:00 - [3] /signed. Ridiculous* You'd be amazed how fast a cast lives run out when you have a hammer.
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:34:00 - [4] 2 tourneys ago it was NOS 1 tourney it was RSD this tourney it is duel logistics... Adapt or die
Gerdan BloodELF	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:35:00 - [5] agreed and what's with the red hat it must be burned!!!!!!!!!!!
Antodias North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:35:00 - [6] Although to get points you need to kill things, the problem is the way THDs are at the moment, you need a big tanking team to keep everybody alive.
Krasnij Okjabre Caldari Havoc Inc Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:36:00 - [7] Edited by: Krasnij Okjabre on 01/03/2008 19:36:38 Adapting is one thing, thats fine. Mind numbing boredom and predictability is another. We all wanna see a good old-fashioned slugfest. Not a rep-fest. (Edited for spelling before someone picks up on that). You'd be amazed how fast a cast lives run out when you have a hammer.
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:36:00 - [8] Originally by: EVIL SYNNs 2 tourneys ago it was NOS 1 tourney it was RSD this tourney it is duel logistics... Adapt or die indeed! - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Adrienne Sorbonne Gallente Silent Sisters of the Bloody Rose	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:37:00 - [9] aye its boring but as the above poster said adapt or die still there¦s a point the orange poster has logistics make this one boring
Doppleganger Minmatar Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:37:00 - [10] Well this was a bit predictable for this tourny since two logistics were so good last yr as well.
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:39:00 - [11] Same thing was said about the past tourneys with the above things... Tourney only gets exciting next weekend.. Too much fear! (its like champions league) ..sry RL
Madelchai Gallente Stimulus The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.03.01 19:39:00 - [12] Or you could try thinking of other way around it using the limitations of them. ------ Revolution. The only solution.
Conq Er	Posted - 2008.03.01 20:10:00 - [13] Who is this nerd? and Why is he writing in orange?
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.03.01 20:13:00 - [14] It looks like this thread has caused a few battles where dual-logistics setups have been convincingly beaten. Life's like that sometimes. ---- Anything less is wasted effort
Mythrell Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.02 01:39:00 - [15] I agree on this one, for next tournament go TF2, put "medic" limit to 1.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.03.02 01:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Gerdan BloodELF the red hat it must be burned!!!!!!!!!!! tis - Gob IXC Recruitment
Thanos Mortis The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.02 02:41:00 - [17] oh no I can't adapt...must post a thread on the forum. All time low for burn eden, what with your nano whine thread, damps nerfed, warp core stabs nerfed, you guys run out of tactics so you run to the forum now -
Roemy Schneider BINFORD Solidus Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.02 03:03:00 - [18] i take it the outrage is not aimed at scimis/onreiri? guardians/basilisk may be very efficient at "organizing" cap, but they still need some to produce more... today we've already seen a few neuts there - every cap neutered is basically 5 cap not being passed on (w/ energy emission V and logistics V) and cap is not "unlimited" with those daisy chains. and it doesn't even need that many neuts to topple that fragile construct. - putting the gist back into logistics
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.03.02 04:15:00 - [19] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 02/03/2008 04:16:03 Originally by: Thanos Mortis oh no I can't adapt...must post a thread on the forum. All time low for burn eden, what with your nano whine thread, damps nerfed, warp core stabs nerfed, you guys run out of tactics so you run to the forum now This confuses me. Is terra Incognita in the tournament to where I cannot adapt to remote repping chain logistic groups? If they are I wasnt told of it..... hmmm I'll have to check, oh wait. So the point of this post was that I want to see explosions, not omg lets spider tank, yeah then we cant die! cool great idea. I wanna see things go boom! I like to see it in tq and in the tourny too. I guess it takes pvp'ers though to appreciate booms, instead of cool transfer cap, transfer armor! Anyways Im sorry that you have a personal vendetta gainst Burn Eden. However if you have fought us recently you would know that we have adapted and can counter any set-up just like usual. I tell you what, tommarrow bring 10 of yor buds to m-o. We'll have an 11 vs 4 fight. Lets see who wins.... feel free to bring logistic ships 8). WildCat
Necronus Amarr Monks of War	Posted - 2008.03.02 04:51:00 - [20] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 02/03/2008 04:16:03 Originally by: Thanos Mortis oh no I can't adapt...must post a thread on the forum. All time low for burn eden, what with your nano whine thread, damps nerfed, warp core stabs nerfed, you guys run out of tactics so you run to the forum now This confuses me. Is terra Incognita in the tournament to where I cannot adapt to remote repping chain logistic groups? If they are I wasnt told of it..... hmmm I'll have to check, oh wait. So the point of this post was that I want to see explosions, not omg lets spider tank, yeah then we cant die! cool great idea. I wanna see things go boom! I like to see it in tq and in the tourny too. I guess it takes pvp'ers though to appreciate booms, instead of cool transfer cap, transfer armor! Anyways Im sorry that you have a personal vendetta gainst Burn Eden. However if you have fought us recently you would know that we have adapted and can counter any set-up just like usual. I tell you what, tommarrow bring 10 of yor buds to m-o. We'll have an 11 vs 4 fight. Lets see who wins.... feel free to bring logistic ships 8). WildCat You're just a simple whiner. Just get over it.
FarScape III Journey On Squad	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:20:00 - [21] DHB, Iknow you are waaaay better then me in PvP, but if you think about it, every time someone thinks of a new plan like 2 logistics at once it works great for a while but then you know what happens, people begin to learn how to counter it sooner or later. ***
Pharos Dei Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.02 09:27:00 - [22] im personaly just waiting for someone to bring 3 guardians and a curse, that will be the most interesting fight to sebetter yet 2x teams fielding them
Ituralde The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.02 09:52:00 - [23] Remote ECCM is a great idea, until they lock you faster and get jams up before you put them on. Then, you have a beautiful waste of a module that might have been great but you can't lock anyone to make use of it. That's just a sidenote though. Dual logistics does make a nice kit (and saldy boring matches) but it is quite counterable. A little creativity, out of the box thinking, and depending on the rest of the team there are multiple ways these teams can be broken. It's nearly happened a few times already this tournament. The trick is, knowing that's what you are going to face, as a lot of these tactics that can break dual-logistics kits simply will die horribly to other setups. It's a lot of dice-rolling really in these tournaments and if you come up with the wrong number at the wrong time you end up looking like **** and people wonder what the hell you were thinking. If alliance tourney 4 taught us anything, it is that there simply is no such thing as an 'unbeatable' setup. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
maGz The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2008.03.02 10:46:00 - [24] Whine You've gone from educated posts about tournament-changes to this? ____________
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.02 11:31:00 - [25] THD bonus should be replaced with a time bonus IMO. Faster you win, more points you get. Encourage gank > tank. What would be REALLY bad would be if logistics got nerfed after this, and I've seen people calling for this ________________________________________________________________ Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Lucas Avignon Avignon Associates Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.02 11:34:00 - [26] Plenty of dual logistic ships setups have died in the tourny, I think it's fine. I want to see 3 logistic ships .... sig goes here!
flyinhedgehog The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2008.03.02 11:58:00 - [27] I agree with magz. There are plenty of ways to counterbalance remote logistics that have been used in this tournament not just ecm. Reducing the amount of setups by getting rid of logistics ships seems pretty stupid to me if you want more interesting fights. Logistics give setups the flexability to use more different ships without having to worry so much about tank. Thereby making fights less generic and allowing more ecm type modules to be used. Logistic setups aren't the be all and end all. There are plenty of ways to counter them, you just have to use your brains. This flexability and diversity is one of the reasons I think eve works (for me anyway). There is always a counter you just have to start thinking. There have been some really pathetic dual logistic setups that show no imagination at all. There have also been none dual logistic setups that have the same characteristics. The problem is not with the tools but with the people behind them.
Hortoken Wolfbrother Amarr Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2008.03.02 13:00:00 - [28] Dual logistics is not only extremely powerful, but extremely boring. Limit teams to 1 logistics. Now we get into real slugfests, the way it should be.
Ozstar Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.02 13:14:00 - [29] No orange text... i have concerns about the validity of this post. What have you done with the real DHB Wildcat?
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2008.03.02 13:20:00 - [30] I heard BOB had an unbeatable setup for years, rumour has it 10 t1 cruisers killed it. The turtle tank, kill one frigate and tank for 20 minutes, that was tedious. The rules are now changed and that is a way of ensuring a quick exit now. Twin logistic setups certainly are strong, but they have lost as well as won. Dont watch the matches if you find them boring, a side-effect of the tournie is you get to watch it, its not the reason for its existence. The need to see an explosion every few seconds to keep those with short attention spans entertained is also the wrong way to go. This looks to be the best tournament to date, all teams seen would appear to be taking it seriously and have put in the time to give it thought and training time. The coverage is the best yet. - - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345

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