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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.03.02 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 02/03/2008 02:49:58
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All the races have interesting back-stories and good-looking ships and yet 60+% of EVE's population is caldari.
I didn't have to read any further than this to realize the OP is completely ******** and absolutely wrong in every point he makes.
The majority of EVE's population are NON CALDARI RACES.
Caldari ships look like ****, are the slowest around, shield tanking sucks for PvP, and missiles are terrible in fleet engagements.
What the hell more do you want?
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.02 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Nasta443 on 02/03/2008 04:49:26
Originally by: Zekelle
Minmatar; hardest to train(have to train everything), hardest to learn, good tank (if trained), great damage but only if at right range
Minmatar have no good tank at all. The only thing that can tank well is the maelstrom, and even then it sucks due to not being able to fit a shield transporter properly and not having the awesome shield resistance bonus that the rokh has and that puts the maelstrom to shame.
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Adarr
Caldari
g guild
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.03.02 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Edited by: Ulstan on 02/03/2008 02:49:58
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All the races have interesting back-stories and good-looking ships and yet 60+% of EVE's population is caldari.
I didn't have to read any further than this to realize the OP is completely ******** and absolutely wrong in every point he makes.
The majority of EVE's population are NON CALDARI RACES.
Caldari ships look like ****, are the slowest around, shield tanking sucks for PvP, and missiles are terrible in fleet engagements.
What the hell more do you want?
Don't forget about the gimpy chance-based ECM and the fact that everyone will be able to see who's jamming them starting with Trinity 1.1.
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.02 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Caldari ships look like ****, are the slowest around, shield tanking sucks for PvP, and missiles are terrible in fleet engagements.
What the hell are you on. Who cares what a ship looks like. You have as good agility as minmatar (the "speed" race.. ha) and missiles are as good as arty for fleet. Yes, useless. Oh wait, caldari have the rokh. While minmatar have... what? Nothing. Caldari have torps for close range while minmatar have maybe the phoon if you have 22M skillpoints.
Stop the whining.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.02 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
You have that list wrong.
Amarr are probably the most training intensive race atm. As you need capacitor and fitting skills at lv5 before you begin to become effective. Lasers and armor seem pretty strightforward, but to run lasers and armor tank at the same time its a pain in the ass.
Amarr = Eve in hard mode
I laughed. Minmatar - along with all those skills that amarr needs (minus lasers, plus projectiles) - also needs excellent navigation AND shield skills. Seriously, WTS clue.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr
Fruit Fellatio
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Posted - 2008.03.02 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
I laughed. Minmatar - along with all those skills that amarr needs (minus lasers, plus projectiles) - also needs excellent navigation AND shield skills. Seriously, WTS clue.
Yeah, minmatar really needs all those skills that amarrs must have. Because matars use weapon that acutally eats cap
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Originally by: Torfi
There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.02 05:07:00 -
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And now we'll have some idiot saying taht they need to train drone skills because their ships has a drone bay while failing to realize how damage is split across subsystems in minmatar ships.
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.02 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: MenanceWhite
Originally by: AstroPhobic
I laughed. Minmatar - along with all those skills that amarr needs (minus lasers, plus projectiles) - also needs excellent navigation AND shield skills. Seriously, WTS clue.
Yeah, minmatar really needs all those skills that amarrs must have. Because matars use weapon that acutally eats cap
Amarr paraphrasing:
WAAH WAAAH My lasors do uber damage uber range and have uber mega tracking but eat cap WAAAH WAAAH
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.02 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: MenanceWhite
Originally by: AstroPhobic
I laughed. Minmatar - along with all those skills that amarr needs (minus lasers, plus projectiles) - also needs excellent navigation AND shield skills. Seriously, WTS clue.
Yeah, minmatar really needs all those skills that amarrs must have. Because matars use weapon that acutally eats cap
D'oh. Maybe you should check the base capacitor on minmatar ships and compare them to amarr - it's not pretty. Running a MWD on basically every ship just to stay alive is no treat either.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr
Fruit Fellatio
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Posted - 2008.03.02 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
D'oh.
Oh wow so amarr ships has recharges 6-10% more cap than minmatar ships.
No, I don't think that those 6-10% makes up for I-don't-know-how-much-but-I'm sure -t's alot cap that lasers need.
Since we're talking about SP : yeah you'll need more to be considered "specced at minmatar" compared to "specced at amarr" however, I'd say that you need alot more to be "usefull with amarr" than "usefull with minmatar".
Originally by: Nasta443
Amarr paraphrasing:
WAAH WAAAH My lasors do uber damage uber range and have uber mega tracking but eat cap WAAAH WAAAH
Shut up you are hurting my feelings 
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Originally by: Torfi
There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.02 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: MenanceWhite
Since we're talking about SP : yeah you'll need more to be considered "specced at minmatar" compared to "specced at amarr" however, I'd say that you need alot more to be "usefull with amarr" than "usefull with minmatar".
And you'd be wrong.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr
Fruit Fellatio
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Posted - 2008.03.02 05:55:00 -
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Some kind of... 8 days old trolling alt
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Originally by: Torfi
There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.02 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: MenanceWhite
Some kind of... 8 days old trolling alt
Don't worry, you'll grow out of it.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.03.02 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: MenanceWhite
Some kind of... 8 days old trolling alt
Yeah... been awhile since I heard anyone implying that Minmatar as somehow gimped. Always good for a giggle.
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Alekzander
Caldari
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.02 06:23:00 -
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You know, if I go back over all the patch notes from the time I started in 2004, I think caldari have recieved, one, maybe two, buffs, and tens, if not a hundred nerfs. In various ways shapes and forms. Imo, the devs do not like caldari, they beat the crap out of them to get people to quit playing them.
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Relyndrel
Gallente
Zozekraku Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.02 06:24:00 -
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CCP doesn't love Caldari.
The players love Caldari more than likely due to it's backstory and the "prettiness" of their avatars.
The players find ways to make Caldari work for them in pvp and pve. The only thing flying Caldari does for missioning is lower the attention required of the pilot to complete the missions. Pretty boring way to play imo. Other races ships are more interactive in terms of pve and usually more damaging when played and fitted correctly.
In terms of PVP ECM is definately a worthwhile reason to cross train Caldari however the delayed nature of missiles, as well as the lower dps of them, do make them rather gimp vs. opposing teams who have half a clue.
So yeah, keep flying Caldari for damage in pvp (in terms of missiles, not hybrid users). It brings me such pleasure to watch the missile spamming *****s go boom.
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FluterEx
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Posted - 2008.03.02 19:00:00 -
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This FP has evolved from a "Whine on Caldari ships-" to a "Whine on all ships" post. Seriously, all of you guys that whine about ships beeing overpowered should go away and play some "easy mode" games. A fact is that "Overbalancing" ruins all the fun and slowly changes every game into a game for people that dont want to use their brain.
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ZerKar
Caldari
Zen'Tar
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Posted - 2008.03.02 20:05:00 -
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To Op try flying some of our ships in PvP and then come back and talk like you know something.
Missiles do not even hurt things that are moving fast enough. Caldari ships are the slowest ships in the universe making them easy to outrun. Shield Tanking in PvP = Fail. Missiles take time to get to their target making them avoidable by cycling targets. Torps now have a short range that can not be obtained by our BS's on the enemy without either A) The enemy walking right up into OUR face or B) Powerful Tacklers to hold the enemy still. Missiles have no wrecking ability.
What we HAVE are some nice Ewar ships and if you can learn to use them well then you can be very "helpful" to a fleet but you will never be the Damage Dealer or Tanker main of a Fleet.
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For the LAST time...
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.02 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 02/03/2008 20:15:51
Crow, Drake, Scorpion, Widow, the only Caldari ships I bother flying with any sort of regularity.
Yes, that's in PvP too. 
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.03.02 21:56:00 -
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U don't have to be caldari to pilot their ships u know? 
I'm great with caldari ships, but stick me into an amarr or even gall one and it makes me wanna cry 
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.02 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tarron Sarek
Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 02/03/2008 01:56:37
Originally by: Mr QUE
Actually CCP hate the Cald race. my main been online for 4 years and they have nerfed the cald race every patch since.
Check your memory implant. It must be broken.
Massive torp damage boost - check.
ECM boost - check.
Dunno if you refer to PvE, but Caldari is still the easiest choice for PvE, and those boosts surely weren't aimed at killing NPCs.
Originally by: Mr QUE
one day we will regain our glory maybe one day :)
I suppose you mean overpoweredness?
Overall, please let's just agree to disagree, because it's no use arguing.
Not as long as there is PvE and PvP, as long as both aspects are rather separated, and as long as people don't state whether they argue from a PvE or PvP point of view.
I guess most don't even know.
Caldari are overpowered in PvE.
Caldari are not good for solo PvP or sub BS damage dealing.
Let's keep it at that.
When was the ECM boost?
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jam6549
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2008.03.02 22:41:00 -
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actually, most ppl chose caldari because in the character creation the were described in a way that they sounded like the best race out of the four. Dunno if it's still there now tho...
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Rabbitgod
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.03.02 22:58:00 -
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Caldari specked and doing just fine in PvP and PvE thank you. Mind you we suck at close range solo, and we don't make the best pure damage dealers but the simple solution to that is...
DON'T FORCE YOUR CHAR INTO ROLES IT IS NOT SPECKED FOR!!!
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Manic Smile
Tau Ceti Global Production
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.03 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Caldari suck.
I'm Amarr/Caldari cross trained and i once used caldari to run missions and amarr to pvp. I like shield tanking and i like instant damage and the power of amarr. Now i barely use my caldari part only for some specific ships. Caldari turret ships are fine, but missile ships mostly suck because of their low and delayed damage.
I wouldnt say caldari are the best and strongest race, i wouldnt even start a caldari char.
Missiles have allready a unique penality .. delayed damage.
because you know the fastest mission running ships using guns and armor tank...
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Cosmar
Gallente
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.03 15:11:00 -
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I can't speak about the other races, but as far as Gallente go the only thing that makes Caldari more desirable is their starting attributes.
I think our ships are more then fine.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.03 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
I must confess as an ECM specialist I had to cross train Caldari. If CCPs idea of Minmatar E-War was Dampner bonii instead of targert painting then maybe I wouldn't.
Of course the prime fiction does support the notion that Caldari are extremely advanced in all things warfare related. They are however very boring at dinner parties.
I take exception to that, I'm the life and soul of the party. But I have this terrible urge to shout across people from the other side of the room when they start trying to talk.
Perhaps I should spend less time in a Falcon.
I initially chose a caldari main when i first started playing, just simply from the backstory. Religious zealot, Rebelious ex-slaves, hippies, or zomg megadeathleetkillors! i went with the only sensible option.
Regretted it a little since, but picking up a few extra skills here and there gives me a lot more options.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.03.03 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nasta443
minmatar have... what? Nothing.
Yeah those poor minmatar. So gimped in PvP compared to amarr.
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NeoTheo
Final Conflict UK
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.03 17:01:00 -
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everyone rolled caldari back in the day cause they used to be first on the list and looked cool, besides the description mentions powerfull shields... ifyour a newb, shields sound cool! :)
well they are cool but ho hum.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.03 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: NeoTheo
everyone rolled caldari back in the day cause they used to be first on the list and looked cool, besides the description mentions powerfull shields... ifyour a newb, shields sound cool! :)
well they are cool but ho hum.
yeah, they're also described as flying small fast hi-tech ships.
hah.
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Adamai
Gallente
Naval Protection Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.03 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Adamai on 03/03/2008 17:50:44
ok this might not be what was intended for this forum but my theory on caldari goes a little something like this.
ccp doesnt like them more than any other its simply because cadlari are easier to play in empire space. all you do is load your missiles set your passive tank and run missions endlessly using chase tactics, this means lock and run shooting behind with high power missiles with no range problems i beleive cruise and heavy missiles do this very well.
the caldari ships are very easy to set up so most players have them, their simple and combat is easy they are also one of the most damadging classes to play.
they are also very boring.
me i like galante their is a few ways to go with galanet like sheild and armour tanks obviously their sheild tanks are not so clever as their armour abilities but its doable. their is a lot of variation in weapon usage and ammo types all changing how you fight ammo effect range and changes your dmg potential while their is other hybrids with considerable disadvantage and advantages to dmg modifiers fall off and over all range their is more combining of weaons to be don with the galante race and the ship set ups are endless giving you what i think is more of a depth to the game we play i love being galante its allways challenging and ive got a caldari too and i can say that caldari is a sure thing for empire missions but very very boring.
i also favour minmatarr class too again very diffrent weapon systems compaird to caldari almost the same as galante very close.
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