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Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.03 19:44:00 - [1] Edited by: Winterblink on 03/03/2008 19:44:47 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7274377.stm I really don't know what to say about this that isn't summed up by a picture of Captain Picard burring his face in the palm of his hand. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.03.03 19:46:00 - [2] Welcome to last week, where we had a several page thread and one moved from General discussion. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.03 19:46:00 - [3] Originally by: Kirjava Welcome to last week, where we had a several page thread and one moved from General discussion. Good to know. A mod can delete as necessary. shrugs warp drive active \| nature vraie
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.03.03 19:49:00 - [4] In all honestly sometimes some people have to bite the bullet for the freedoms we have. Yes it's bad that 9/11 killed thousands and a boost in security was needed, but all these "anti-terrorism" laws blow it out of proportion. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 20:20:00 - [5] Edited by: Sephra Star on 03/03/2008 20:23:42 Originally by: Kirjava In all honestly sometimes some people have to bite the bullet for the freedoms we have. Yes it's bad that 9/11 killed thousands and a boost in security was needed, but all these "anti-terrorism" laws blow it out of proportion. You have obviously done very little research into 911, or you would realise existing security was more than adaquate. There was no breakdown of of the existing system at all. The simple truth of the matter is that existing security was intentionally pulled to allow for maximum carnage. That included a direct order from Vice President Chenney to allow one of the planes at 50 miles out to reach its target. That is incontrovertable. NORAD was in fact ordered to stand down. The bomb sniffing dogs were suddenly and without explanation pulled out of the Trade Center 3 days before 911 presumably by the head of the World Trade Centers Security. In case you forgot who that was it was President Bush's elder brother.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.03.03 20:28:00 - [6] Edited by: Kirjava on 03/03/2008 20:30:26 I'm British, I know 911 well in a British context in the way it effects me here. I know of the Terrosism Bills going through parlaiment, the 7/7 and attempted 21/7 bombings on the tubes, the recent alert concerning liquids on planes and things from that perspective. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Kyrall Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.03 20:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Sephra Star Stuff Woooooooo... Tin foil hats all round! - Originally by: CCP Whisper In response to this request we will now buff stations. All stations have their ability to remain in the same place increased by 10%. You can thank us later.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 21:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Kirjava Edited by: Kirjava on 03/03/2008 20:30:26 I'm British, I know 911 well in a British context in the way it effects me here. I know of the Terrosism Bills going through parlaiment, the 7/7 and attempted 21/7 bombings on the tubes, the recent alert concerning liquids on planes and things from that perspective. Have you ever heard of ther BBC? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk1WkmioQvA
Kyrall Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.03 21:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Sephra Star Have you ever heard of ther BBC? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk1WkmioQvA I hope you aren't insinuating that awful "report" has anything to do with the BBC! I know the quality of BBC reporting has slipped a lot in the past couple of decades but at least it is still just about worth watching, unlike that video. In case it isn't obvious what I mean, I'm talking about all the stupid music and images used in a (admittedly fairly clever) way that makes you agree with what the narrator is saying. Scary music when showing Bush/Blair etc. Show me a report without those sort of cheap tricks and I might watch it all the way through... - Originally by: CCP Whisper In response to this request we will now buff stations. All stations have their ability to remain in the same place increased by 10%. You can thank us later.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 21:37:00 - [10] Edited by: Sephra Star on 03/03/2008 21:38:25 If you were to watch it all the way through you would find much of it very enlightening. Particularly where the word Al Quida came from in the first place. Verifiable by the way. Better yet you get an update on the dispositions of the court cases of all the TERRORISTS that were caught in the United states that were never ever reported beyond the initial arrest stage. That part alone makes it worth it. Partularly when you consider the evidence that was used in the arrests. Vacation video's at Disney World and such. The cases were pretty much all quietly dismissed. Which is why of course noone ever heard about them again after the intitial scare campaign and arrests. Too embarrassing.
Kyanzes Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.03.03 21:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 03/03/2008 19:44:47 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7274377.stm I really don't know what to say about this that isn't summed up by a picture of Captain Picard burring his face in the palm of his hand. - Ali! It's time to detonate the bomb, mate! - I'm still grinding for level 42! Give me a sec! --------------------------------------------- GET TO THE CHOPPA!!! The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Mtthias Clemi Gallente The Space Bastards	Posted - 2008.03.03 22:50:00 - [12] Jesus did it.
PhantomMenace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.03 23:05:00 - [13] "baseline normative behaviors". ?? what the hell does that mean , i disagree with that article its the goverments trying pry and snoop into our private lives in another attempt to control us . does this mean if i post something anti goverment on the forums then they will start monitering my actions . as for the 9/11 comment made on this thread , have you seen terrorstorm on youtube ? if not go and watch it , im convinced the bush admin were behind it , theres to many un answerd questions same as the attacks here in the crappy uk
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 23:20:00 - [14] Edited by: Sephra Star on 03/03/2008 23:26:08 Edited by: Sephra Star on 03/03/2008 23:24:04 Originally by: PhantomMenace does this mean if i post something anti goverment on the forums then they will start monitering my actions . as for the 9/11 comment made on this thread , have you seen terrorstorm on youtube ? if not go and watch it , im convinced the bush admin were behind it , theres to many un answerd questions same as the attacks here in the crappy uk Right after Senator Wellstone was assassinated I started writing letters to elected officials. I lived in Florida at the time. I got a reply from one of Governor Bushes aides thanking me for my concerns in what sounded like a sarcastic threat informing me that my information was being forwarded to the Office of Homeland Defence. Three weeks later when my Social Security check was due it never came. I went to the Social Security Office and I was informed that I had been listed as DECEASED in the computers and that was why I had not received my check. Took me three months to proove that I was still alive. I'll check out Terror Storm. Personally I am convinced Daddy Bush (Rummy and Chenney) had more to do with it than his Dupe Son in office. An attemt at Plausable Deniability that simply did not work and only got worse the more they tried to cover it up. Have you seen this.. New World Order; September 11, 1991 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 23:46:00 - [15] Edited by: Sephra Star on 03/03/2008 23:55:19 George Orwell "1984" 1984 -- The Power to Lead is published. Author James McGregor Burns admits: "The framers of the U.S. constitution have simply been too shrewd for us. The have outwitted us. They designed separate institutions that cannot be unified by mechanical linkages, frail bridges, tinkering. If we are to 'turn the Founders upside down' -- we must directly confront the constitutional structure they erected." 1987 -- The Secret Constitution and the Need for Constitutional Change is sponsored in part by the Rockefeller Foundation. Some thoughts of author Arthur S. Miller are: "...a pervasive system of thought control exists in the United States...the citizenry is indoctrinated by employment of the mass media and the system of public education...people are told what to think about...the old order is crumbling... Nationalism should be seen as a dangerous social disease...A new vision is required to plan and manage the future, a global vision that will transcend national boundaries and eliminate the poison of nationalistic solutions...a new Constitution is necessary." Does anyone smell PATRIOT ACT? CNN/DOBBS: W FULFILLS HIS DAD'S DREAM OFA NEW WORLD ORDER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdxI0zClV_Y
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.03.04 07:35:00 - [16] 9/11 happened because of global warming. Global warming happened because of a lack of pirates. The lack of pirates happened because of the navies. Navies were created because bodies of water needed to be crossed and defended. So inconclusion 9/11 happened because two elements were attracted to each other and created water. I can back this up with "evidence" just as much as you can back up your "the US governemnt did 9/11" BS, and my theory about 9/11 makes just about as much sense as yours. Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.03.04 07:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Sephra Star You have obviously done very little research into 911, or you would realise existing security was more than adaquate. There was no breakdown of of the existing system at all. The simple truth of the matter is that existing security was intentionally pulled to allow for maximum carnage. I dug this up just for you Fight Piracy - Encourage PvP in Lowsec!
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.04 08:09:00 - [18] You people are awfully defensive. I did NOT suggest at all that the Government was responsable for 911. All I did was post some incontrovertable facts and a few links with historical video's and the next thing I know I am being called a conspiracy nut. If the things I posted make it sound like I was suggesting the Government was responsable then I can only assume that must be what you think, but for some reason are unwilling to admit it and prefer to scream TIN FOIL at anyone who does out of fear that someone might do it to you if you don't do it to them first. I did say that I am fully convinced there was a cover-up, but that fact is incontrovertable as well. What I did not say was exactly what was being covered up. We already know our government was fully aware of an impending attack and how it would be carried out. I personally don't think DUBYA Junior had a clue. One things for sure though. Chenney did. He was running the show while junior was ducking for cover. However, if your interested you can find some of what was covered up yourself. You don't need me to tell you. Look up the information that was in the Saudi Governments Intelligence Report that was leaked to the German Press that barely made it into limited print before being pulled from publication in the international media. Look up what our own Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee (Bob Grahm) tried very hard to divulge to us, but noone would listen because it was not part of the program you were supposed to follow.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.04 08:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Sephra Star You have obviously done very little research into 911, or you would realise existing security was more than adaquate. There was no breakdown of of the existing system at all. The simple truth of the matter is that existing security was intentionally pulled to allow for maximum carnage. I dug this up just for you What I posted here was true. NORAD was ordered stand down. The explanation for it was that there was a simultanious excercise going on simulating a terrorist attack right at the exact time the real attacks occured and the excuse was they thought what was going on was part of the excercise. Funny; the same thing happened in the UK on 7/7
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.03.04 09:42:00 - [20] didnt u hear? battlefield 2 apparently recruits terrorists and is an outlet for terrorist propaganda. They've even infiltrated WoW reminds me of the south park episode where they get into our minds and unleash chaos.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.04 10:00:00 - [21] just want to say, that i'm not this sephra star person. If someone would think so since i've also written some stuff about that in the past. that said, well ya'll know how i feel about that.. anyways, believe whatever it is you want to believe and take care the world is what we make of it once all realize they can make a difference and then do it too.
Miss Anthropy The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.04 10:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Sephra Star stuff I agree. I don't believe the US government actively planned 9/11; but I do believe they deliberately let it happen. They had enough warnings, information and intelligence to know something was going on and yet they did absolutely nothing to stop it. They didn't even scramble aircraft to bring down the planes. As far as I'm aware the US has laws on bringing down planes (or challenging them) if they deviate from their flight path too much. Britain is another case entirely though I think. I do believe the UK government actually tries to prevent terrorism. The UK democratic system is a lot more rigid than the US which is probably* the most corrupt "democracy" on the planet. The fathers of the US constitution wrote their constitution on the ideas of building a republic (rather than a democracy) because they feared mob rule. The irony is that mob rule via the wealthy elite has corrupted US politics. *I'm tied between the US and the EU as to who is more corrupt.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.03.04 10:44:00 - [23] Both are pretty laughable, difference is that the EU is a loose confederation in the midst of an identity crisis whilst the US has had 200 years to make up it's mind. EU is not going to be fit for purpose until the baby boom generation is out of power. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.04 10:52:00 - [24] Edited by: Sephra Star on 04/03/2008 10:53:42 Originally by: Miss Anthropy I agree. I don't believe the US government actively planned 9/11; but I do believe they deliberately let it happen. They had enough warnings, information and intelligence to know something was going on and yet they did absolutely nothing to stop it. They didn't even scramble aircraft to bring down the planes. As far as I'm aware the US has laws on bringing down planes (or challenging them) if they deviate from their flight path too much. I'm tied between the US and the EU as to who is more corrupt. Now if you tie in what Senator Bob Grahm announced on Maninstream News that was subsequently ignored and burried about how the United States Government being fully aware that 911 was pulled off with the support of a Major Intelligence Organization from a soverign nation and that we do in fact know exactly which country was responsable, but that the information would be kept secret for at least 30 years for reasons of national security; and then couple that with the Saudi Intelligence Report that was leaked to the German Press you would then have a pretty good idea why the truth can not be made public. It is TABOO... I'll give you a hint... Remember them 5 guys that were arrested on 911 by NY Police Officers when someone called in and reported them dancing on a rooftop? They had their video camera set up prior to the planes hitting the Trade Center and got some of the best footage of the day. They were subsequently held in custody for about a year before being deported. Shhhh
Miss Anthropy The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.04 11:16:00 - [25] Edited by: Miss Anthropy on 04/03/2008 11:18:07 Originally by: Sephra Star Remember them 5 guys that were arrested on 911 by NY Police Officers when someone called in and reported them dancing on a rooftop? They had their video camera set up prior to the planes hitting the Trade Center and got some of the best footage of the day. They were subsequently held in custody for about a year before being deported. Shhhh I haven't heard any of this to be honest. Got any links or sources for more info? EDIT: None of this was reported on UK news programmes, at least not that I'd seen and I watched the news avidly during and after 9/11.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.04 11:30:00 - [26] Edited by: Sephra Star on 04/03/2008 11:36:59 Originally by: Miss Anthropy I haven't heard any of this to be honest. Got any links or sources for more info? EDIT: None of this was reported on UK news programmes, at least not that I'd seen and I watched the news avidly during and after 9/11. It used to all be easily obtainable with reputable links. Much of the truth has been systimaticly removed, or burried. You can thank GOOGLE for that. Programmed by NSA. I have not realy tried looking this stuff back up for more than a couple of years. I was one of the few active American Protesters prior to the invasion of Iraq. I was in a car accident in late 2000 and have not worked since. I was able to keep up on things full time from the very start. Kinda made it my job. It was not easy. I grew up with the internet. In other words I was using computers back in the day before there was an internet. I have watched as the internet has been systamaticly de-informationalized since 911 in an attempt to stifle the flow and freedom of information. I could give it a try though. I know so much in the way of details that so many people have never heard, or have forgotten. Like I said. It has not been easy. Knowing, but never being able to talk about it.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.04 11:46:00 - [27] Graham Alleges a 9/11 'Coverup' http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0512-04.htm
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.04 11:47:00 - [28] Sen. Graham: Bush covered up Saudi involvement in 9/11 The former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee tells Salon that the White House has suppressed convincing evidence that Saudi government agents aided at least two of the hijackers. http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/09/08/graham/
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.04 11:53:00 - [29] Edited by: Sephra Star on 04/03/2008 11:54:27 Foreign Intelligence Warnings What did Israel Know? http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essaytheytriedtowarnus
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.04 11:56:00 - [30] The 5 Dancing Video Tapers Arrested on 911

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