I hear about it every time, since my returning in EVE, in the late 2010. I hear about it here and there, but nothing was specified and backed by facts. So, what backs these rumors? Is it only wishful thinking or we have something more solid about it from CCP?

Thanks in advance for any new info about it.

As soon as this hybrid buff comes out, you morons are gonna be complaining about how OP they are.

1. No one flies Gallente; no one catches Minmatar ships with Gallente ships BECAUSE no one flies Gallente.
2. Hybrid buff.
3. People start flying Gallente.
4. "Wah wah wah, I can't kite with Minmatar ships any more; CCP what did you do???"

Of course, this doesn't apply to your ***** "everybody wins" blob pvp.

I hear about it every time, since my returning in EVE, in the late 2010. I hear about it here and there, but nothing was specified and backed by facts. So, what backs these rumors? Is it only wishful thinking or we have something more solid about it from CCP?

Thanks in advance for any new info about it.

Since Blaster dont get the same falloff bonus as projectiles people are getting mad and forcing ccp to take actions! Some were the player base has forgotten how to fly these top dmg drones armor plated bastards..

I for one hope that nothing happens at all!

Also, just sayin, a geddon does more damage than a mega at 8km, which is certainly what I would consider short range (WELL inside web/scram range, before even overheating), so the idea that gallente are some sort of damage wtfpwnmobiles is more than a little misleading.

Typically speaking you balance the shortest range builds in any game by also making them the fastest, with a slight damage increase or some other advantage that makes up for lost time burning into range. CCP did not do this, and it's far too late to change that. Consequently, blasters need to do more than the tiny amount of extra DPS they do now to make up for the fact that there's no reasonable way to actually USE said damage.

Also, just sayin, a geddon does more damage than a mega at 8km, which is certainly what I would consider short range (WELL inside web/scram range, before even overheating), so the idea that gallente are some sort of damage wtfpwnmobiles is more than a little misleading.

7 Neutrons whit 2 mag stabs does 875 eft "dmg"
7 pulse whit 2 heat sinks does 747 eft "dmg"
7 tachyons whit 2 heat sinks does 705 eft "dps" (also wont fit whit any tank)
whit laser spec 4s and blaster spec 4, gunnery spec max "my" mega will pop your gaddeon on what ever similar fitt we use at 8km and not counting webs and ogre IIs.. ill even do it at 15km :) 25 whit null??

Crazy idea for Blasterboats:

Role bonus: -30% to the range of stasis webifiers
Gallente Battleship bonus: 15% increase to the velocity factor of statis webifiers per level.

Meaning, it's hard to catch you, but when they do, you're royally feckered.

A random idea, but I like it.

You can't really argue with Cambarus there...

Blaster damage needs to be increased or blaster boats need to be faster.

Blasters are not as broken as people make out but do need work on them. Rails are something even I don't use.

Im mad about nano blaster hyperion and mega to tell the truth. There is just something about them that just makes them so much fun.

They do perform quite well when accompanied with a gang of 20-30 other people all using ACs

Im mad about nano blaster hyperion and mega to tell the truth. There is just something about them that just makes them so much fun.

stuff

here are the fixes for hybrids:

blasters:

concept shotguns (short range arties...)

1. Increase base damage by 30%
2. Decrease rate of fire by 30%

well it is an instance where it works because you eliminate the mobility issue out of the equation

Been going out in gangs of 5 to 10 in them lately. Bugger all was found to kill. I keep trying to get more FCs to let me bring them but they hold the view a BS cant keep up with BC

However I have corrupted another player who now flys a triple nano mega

usefull crtique

The mega is just being silly

I agree, its daft, looks comical on a KM and EFT screams just no.

But my god it is so much fun to fly and at the end of the day, if it works and you're having fun why not?

When I do take it out on "nano hac roams" someone will always pipe up with "erm, why is that mega here?". People will then mutter about it but when they hear its me the FC will just say something along the lines of "No battleships, only baltec is to be in one, he does magic". I then become the fleets flagship and fun is had with much trolling about the guys who are slower than me and everyone compeating over who can out damage the mega. I normaly win if I can lock the target

Also yes shes the same fit.

so what you are saying is that in the nano hac you pose as the bait? cool and then dumfound the guys when you start to orbit them lolz classic... i was looking for a good bait ship...

drones anyone?

Hybrids have several issues. Here is the list I know of for blasters:

1) harsh fitting requirements (it is nearly impossible to fit neutron blasters and tank be it active or passive on blasterboats)
2) only marginal damage increase compared to other gun types (especially if you take into account fitting requirements. your ion/electron blaster ship will be outdamaged even at close range by 425mm ACs)
3) ships intended as blasterboats are slow (hence will be kited to death or killed before being able to apply it damage)
4) blasters uses relatively high amount of capacitor (because amarr have cap reduction for their ships and other dmg types does not use cap)

tweaking these stats will probably only move blasters closer to autocannons, which is not intended direction. What about giving hybrids possibility to shoot auxiliary ammo?

This ammunition would do 0 damage, but would have other effects like ECM, web, knocks off your aligment, etc. (exact details can be worked on)

Together with maybe slight increase in damage it could justify having harsh fitting requirements, cap usage and long ammo switch time.

Similar solution could be used for railguns maybe with different effects.

ammo:

Simular boost that projectile ammo got

concept choice between what damage type you want to do between thermal and Kinetic (i.e. antimater does 80% thermal damage 20% kin damage, uranium does 80% kin damage and 20% thermal damage)

While I realize that having the option to change damage type seems appealing, please consider the many active, cap using, modules these ships typically fit. Especially the active tanked ones. Say you're out in a Hyperion, there's plenty to manage already without having consider the type of ammunition you're using for the "right" damage. Besides, as I understand it, hybrid ammunition already has one of the best damage profiles.

Disagree.

ECM should be limited to ECM modules - and, what would stop another racial shiptype from fitting those guns and using that ammo?

Why would you be interested in giving every-other-ship capable of fitting hybrids the exact same advantage?

Rethink your suggestions, they have merit worth considering but are open to exploit by anyone with enough CPU and cap, don't you think?

AK

Surely the main and primary choice of ammo is related to the amount of damage it deals and then range?

As for damage type, w/e?

Blasters are not as broken as people make out but do need work on them. Rails are something even I don't use.

Crazy idea for Blasterboats:

Role bonus: -30% to the range of stasis webifiers
Gallente Battleship bonus: 15% increase to the velocity factor of statis webifiers per level.

Meaning, it's hard to catch you, but when they do, you're royally feckered.

A random idea, but I like it.

...because it would inherently mean we loose one bonus on ships that don't already have a hybrid bonus...

Why?

The short-comings of the Hybrids are a result of poorly thought out game changes, and none of those changes were to hybrid weaponry...

Because you can't add another bonus to a ship that is supposed to use hybrids without also adding another bonus to the same ship of the other races.

If you did, that hybrid ship would be overpowered. And if you add another bonus to the same ship of other races, hybrids users loose again because the added bonus was "wasted" on fixing the turrets while the others likely got something specific for their role.



I partly agree. I don't think they were necessarily poorly thought out, but you're right that nothing has changed with hybrids themselves to get us to where we are today.

Which means that one way to go about it would be to nerf projectiles/lasers/missiles/whatever instead. I believe that will upset a lot more people than whatever boost they can come up with for hybrids though.

Because you can't add another bonus to a ship that is supposed to use hybrids without also adding another bonus to the same ship of the other races.

If you did, that hybrid ship would be overpowered. And if you add another bonus to the same ship of other races, hybrids users loose again because the added bonus was "wasted" on fixing the turrets while the others likely got something specific for their role.

Not sure I understand.

Why can't you add ship bonuses to hybrid ships and not add bonuses to non-hybrid ships.

If you are adding ship bonuses to affect the usability / piloting of hybrid ships when using hybrids, then why would that be overpowered?

If it boosted the ships too much, then there is failure in the bonuses that have been applied and that would have to be thought out carefully through testing, testing and more testing.

As for what blasters actually need: much higher DPS, much lower falloff, slightly better tracking(and that one's optional)

It sets a bad precedent, mostly. If you want to buff hybrids by a certain amount, why not just buff the guns? Having one race with an extra bonus over the others will make it look like gallente are op even if they aren't, and I for one would not want to be working for CCP when gallente get their turn on top and people start screaming about how unfair it is that they get a whole extra bonus over the other races.

And remember, gallente aren't the only ones who use hybrids,so you're basically suggesting something like a third of the ships in the game get a new bonus added to them, rather than just tweaking the guns.

As for what blasters actually need: much higher DPS, much lower falloff, slightly better tracking(and that one's optional)

Hybrids need ships that can use them - why are you thinking backwards on this?

If you boost the guns then anyone can fit them and I fail to see the logic in that.

You want things to be fair? Boost the ships, and not the guns so anyone can use them - that's fair.

It sets a bad precedent, mostly. If you want to buff hybrids by a certain amount, why not just buff the guns? Having one race with an extra bonus over the others will make it look like gallente are op even if they aren't, and I for one would not want to be working for CCP when gallente get their turn on top and people start screaming about how unfair it is that they get a whole extra bonus over the other races.

And remember, gallente aren't the only ones who use hybrids,so you're basically suggesting something like a third of the ships in the game get a new bonus added to them, rather than just tweaking the guns.

As for what blasters actually need: much higher DPS, much lower falloff, slightly better tracking(and that one's optional)

Nope, they don-¦t need that. Lasers have no ammo and no reload, projectiles have no cap and all damage types, hybrids have no reason to exist. So replace them with lasers or projectiles.

Anyway, to post my input: Up PG on gallente ships (see 1600mm Ruppy v. 1600mm Thorax or x-l booster maelstrom v. dual rep Hyperion (the equivalent)). Up Blaster damage by 30%-40%, leave the ships slow as **** so you still have to work to get into range, but now it is actually worth it...

Up Blaster damage by 30%-40%, leave the ships slow as **** so you still have to work to get into range, but now it is actually worth it...

As for what blasters actually need: much higher DPS, much lower falloff, slightly better tracking(and that one's optional)

I would even cut a bit on the optimal if they boosted the damage considerably.

[Railguns]

As a massive fan of blasterboats I have to say you're idea stinks. Even though Cambarus and I dissagrees with massivly on my toys at least he is trying to come up with ways to make my chosen weapon type better.

Fine, but then you need to come up with a buff that makes hybrids actually a reasonable choice. And this means not only you need to consider the damage, but you need also a specific characteristic for hybrids that is desirable and only available for them. Like the fact that lasers doesn-¦t need ammo and projectiles doesn-¦t need cap.

Because if it-¦s just about dealing damage, well, that-¦s pretty much already covered by the other weapon systems. And this in all variations (high dps, high alpha, variable damage types etc.). You need something that sets hybrids apart from the other weapon systems.

These new forums have a really short time-out function - I've replied to some really interesting comments here, but due to my typing raging out of control, it timed out before I could hit the 'post' button.

/Digress.

I'll use bullets instead.

Not trolling.

The guns worked just fine before the speed nerf.

CCP forgot to alter the ships that use hybrids.

We got screwed.

The ships need fixing.

Changing the guns blurs the line between hybrids and other weapons.

EVE became less specialised.

Review the dev blogs on the changes.

Grr, Arrgh, Snarl, huff, gruff, why does no one understand what I'm saying?

AK

High tracking and face melting damage other weapons cannot manage with the drawback of much reduced range. Personally I think gal ships should be shield tankers but the abundence of lows means I can overcome the issue of speed while keeping omgnottheface damage.

Biggest issue with blasters many face is tracking at very close range. This might be overcome by computer magic. CCP could make the guns track targets better the closer they get so in effect, blasters would get the same tracking no matter the range.

The guns worked just fine before the speed nerf.

CCP forgot to alter the ships that use hybrids.

We got screwed.

The ships need fixing.

Changing the guns blurs the line between hybrids and other weapons.

EVE became less specialised.

When you say the guns worked fine before the speed nerf you are forgetting that hybrids are not only blasters, but also rails. Please tell me how being able to close the distance to the enemy faster would make rails working fine?

Ok, so for blasters you want to go for extreme damage. Fine but what about rails?

Also, with the understanding ccp has demonstrated in balancing matters, we are probably ending up with a range buff for hybrids, in exchange for even less damage.

Don't use them so not much point on commenting on rails. Last I saw of them in pvp was when sniper BS were usefull. They did the job well but tactics have changed so like cruise missiles and tachyons they are not used in fleets these days.

You want variety in the game? Make blasters actually do what they're supposed to do, rather than giving them slightly more DPS than lasers at less range than ACs.