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Julian Shran
Amarr
Vengeance of the Fallen
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.04 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Julian Shran on 04/03/2008 18:36:16
Posted - 2008.03.04 18:19:56
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Originally by: duckmonster
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Edited by: duckmonster on 03/03/2008 16:10:30
Goons already have a stupidly large capship fleet (and use it frontline), plenty of T2 , and more than enough "rich goons".
Not sure what your getting at. Also BOB's ferrogel chains lol.
edit: When was the last time you actually saw goonfleet in action
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This is the one I love, maybe 250 rich Goons? What about the other thousands of pilots that are broke? I gotta admit this is exactly like BoB and you claim to be better than that? I doubt it as you, in addition, orchestrate to destroy other allies to get at their moons. All just to benefit your small leadership and cap savvy pilots...
Seriously at what point do the younger pilots in EVE (under 10 mil SP) become worth anything other than fodder for the Rich Goons that they fight along side?
Weren't the original Goons fighting just that kind of hippocracy?
It seems that Goons have become what they claim to hate and it will be your downfall.
Like BoB you will be forced back into a small place and start changing the definitons of victory to suit your brittle ego. Like BoB you have become bloated with a great disparity between the haves and have nots.
The propaganda you speak of has nothing to do with BoB, it has to do with your own actions the covert operations meant to undermine other alliances, the broken promises, the moons and other resources demanded to line your pockets. Goons have created an Oligarchy and wonder why as they continue to succeed against BoB, they are getting a bad rep.
Simply put, your ARE the beast we all fight against. Those that will attempt to take all, and cannot seem to understand all the "phat lewts" are not yours for the taking. Simple respect of anothers sovern space would go a long way and not just the respect of those who can fight you back if pressed.
Goons need to remember how small they once were...
I hope the truth hurts.
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Naj Rebueller
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 18:32:00 -
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look at all those words
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Kaldaine
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 18:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Julian Shran
Weren't the original Goons fighting just that kind of hippocracy?
We are still very much so fighting the good fight against hippos.
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Althair Erin
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 18:40:00 -
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Terminal case of not getting GoonSwarm.
For your benefit, I will just say that the outpouring of love and support both financial and logistical for our newbees is one of the most charming aspects of this great alliance.
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Jonis Sinmaker
Dead Hooker Industries
G Thanks Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.04 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jonis Sinmaker on 04/03/2008 18:43:46
The only cause that goons fight for is the cause of ****ing other people off. Ask any goon and they will tell you the same...hell ask Sesfan he even stated that very fact on several occassions and to a few gamer magazines iirc.
Once BoB is gone they will find some other way to cause hate and discontent and laugh about it on their forums about how bad they ****ed other people off. If there isn't something for them to feed off of to **** people off than they create the situtation themselves.
Do some research and look at any other game that Goons infest and you will see the same. Their game is not the same as ours. Their game is to ruin your game.
Go read the SA forums and you will understand.
Now take a look at the history of eve and realize that every group of pilots that fights against the "mainstream oppressors" becomes themselves that same force they fought against at the beginning. Power corrupts...
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Semper Fi,
Jonis Sinmaker
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Shran
I hope the truth hurts.
What the hell are you even on about?
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Karonas
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 18:48:00 -
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*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. ~Saint
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WilWheaton
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 18:49:00 -
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its me, im the opressed goon newbie in da op
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 18:54:00 -
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Damn those stingy goonies with their 0% lones to newbies for their first BS to rat with, and all those free frigates and cruisers to suicide into HACS.
Dont even get me started on the reinburstment programs.
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Julian Shran
Amarr
Vengeance of the Fallen
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Julian Shran on 04/03/2008 19:02:59
Originally by: Yorda
Damn those stingy goonies with their 0% lones to newbies for their first BS to rat with, and all those free frigates and cruisers to suicide into HACS.
Dont even get me started on the reinburstment programs.
What I am on about (for those that asked) is that Goons are complaining that the "BoB propoganda machine" is somehow responsible for the recent bad press they have gotten. It is not true, it is the Goon mantra of "MINE!!!" that has caused it.
As for the "Generousity" of Goons to nubs, if you need bodies to throw at HACS then you need to give them cheap free ships...
Oh and loans for what Goons stole from others through threat of force? That is like me mugging someone then "loaning" it at "no interest" to my buddy to buy a car I know will be wrecked in a demolition derby that I arranged... then my buddy now owes me for this car and he needs another for ... behold another derby I set up... Hmmm, seems like a version of extortion to me...
Indentured servitude is slavery also...
Again, I hope the truth hurts.
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Kaldaine
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Shran
Edited by: Julian Shran on 04/03/2008 19:02:59
Originally by: Yorda
Damn those stingy goonies with their 0% lones to newbies for their first BS to rat with, and all those free frigates and cruisers to suicide into HACS.
Dont even get me started on the reinburstment programs.
What I am on about (for those that asked) is that Goons are complaining that the "BoB propoganda machine" is somehow responsible for the recent bad press they have gotten. It is not true, it is the Goon mantra of "MINE!!!" that has caused it.
As for the "Generousity" of Goons to nubs, if you need bodies to throw at HACS then you need to give them cheap free ships...
Oh and loans for what Goons stole from others through threat of force? That is like me mugging someone then "loaning" it at "no interest" to my buddy to buy a car I know will be wrecked in a demolition derby that I arranged... then my buddy now owes me for this car and he needs another for ... behold another derby I set up... Hmmm, seems like a version of extortion to me...
Indentured servitude is slavery also...
Again, I hope the truth hurts.
what the hell extortion? slavery? is this some kind of elaborate troll cause oh man
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Shran
What I am on about (for those that asked) is that Goons are complaining that the "BoB propoganda machine" is somehow responsible for the recent bad press they have gotten.
Zinrix always gets his.
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Tellenta
Gallente
White-Noise
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:10:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't their roots Goon's vs. pubbies <everyone else>
Drawing from that anything halariously cruel that they do to blues, neutrals, reds, or themselves is in fact drawing from their roots? Just sayin
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Inflexible
Shokei
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Shran
...kind of hippocracy?
I hope the truth hurts.
Wait... they are ruled by horses or what? 
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Zizzyx
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Shran
What I am on about (for those that asked) is that Goons are complaining that the "BoB propoganda machine" is somehow responsible for the recent bad press they have gotten. It is not true, it is the Goon mantra of "MINE!!!" that has caused it.
As for the "Generousity" of Goons to nubs, if you need bodies to throw at HACS then you need to give them cheap free ships...
Oh and loans for what Goons stole from others through threat of force? That is like me mugging someone then "loaning" it at "no interest" to my buddy to buy a car I know will be wrecked in a demolition derby that I arranged... then my buddy now owes me for this car and he needs another for ... behold another derby I set up... Hmmm, seems like a version of extortion to me...
Indentured servitude is slavery also...
Again, I hope the truth hurts.
Read -> Comprehend -> Post
Loans are for ratting battleships, which are used to make money to pay back loans, whereas newbie combat ships are given out for free through our various new bee programs.
Although I guess it must suck not being in an alliance that will give you 100 free ships to go get killed in. I can see how you would be bitter.
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Brmble
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Shran
Edited by: Julian Shran on 04/03/2008 19:02:59
Originally by: Yorda
Damn those stingy goonies with their 0% lones to newbies for their first BS to rat with, and all those free frigates and cruisers to suicide into HACS.
Dont even get me started on the reinburstment programs.
What I am on about (for those that asked) is that Goons are complaining that the "BoB propoganda machine" is somehow responsible for the recent bad press they have gotten. It is not true, it is the Goon mantra of "MINE!!!" that has caused it.
As for the "Generousity" of Goons to nubs, if you need bodies to throw at HACS then you need to give them cheap free ships...
Oh and loans for what Goons stole from others through threat of force? That is like me mugging someone then "loaning" it at "no interest" to my buddy to buy a car I know will be wrecked in a demolition derby that I arranged... then my buddy now owes me for this car and he needs another for ... behold another derby I set up... Hmmm, seems like a version of extortion to me...
Indentured servitude is slavery also...
Again, I hope the truth hurts.
can you please stop constructing strawmen and argue his points? it's almost like you want to lose your argument...
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Julian Shran
Amarr
Vengeance of the Fallen
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Julian Shran on 04/03/2008 20:19:16
Originally by: Inflexible
Originally by: Julian Shran
...kind of hippocracy?
I hope the truth hurts.
Wait... they are ruled by horses or what?
Yes Hippocracy, not Hypocrisy because Goons do not have any posted code of honor or ethics. Hell they barely have a direction other than "kill BoB".
It is short for 'hippopotamocracy', "rule by hippopotami" ("river horses" in Greek), and refers to what are otherwise known as "fat cats".
The above was what I was referring to as in rule by "fat cats"
Gotta give you credit though, no Goon noticed the innuendo...
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Shran
"MINE!!!"
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Shran
Edited by: Julian Shran on 04/03/2008 20:19:16
Originally by: Inflexible
Originally by: Julian Shran
...kind of hippocracy?
I hope the truth hurts.
Wait... they are ruled by horses or what?
Yes Hippocracy, not Hypocrisy because Goons do not have any posted code of honor or ethics. Hell they barely have a direction other than "kill BoB".
It is short for 'hippopotamocracy', "rule by hippopotami" ("river horses" in Greek), and refers to what are otherwise known as "fat cats".
The above was what I was referring to as in rule by "fat cats"
Gotta give you credit though, no Goon noticed the innuendo...
Well done, you totally got away with that. Damn you are a smart one.
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Inflexible
Shokei
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Shran
Hypocrisy
Congrats on successful edit  .
Now you are one of the few who can spell it correctly. 
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Hrin
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 21:01:00 -
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NO BLOOD FOR FERROGEL
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Garregus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 21:02:00 -
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every time im down i just come read caod and man do i feel better
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Xerpex
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Garregus
every time im down i just come read caod and man do i feel better
Yeah.
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Nero Winger
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.04 21:37:00 -
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talking about goons and mentioning BoB more then goons in the monologe.... hmmm....
flaimbait? 
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Thomina Yorke
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hrin
NO BLOOD FOR FERROGEL
we must RISE UP against our oppressive Alliance overlords
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Civrax
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 21:39:00 -
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Oh snap, watch out: I hear Empire Pubbies, Alts and our enemies know more about us and their posts about our truths will certainly tear the very foundation of our alliance out from under us...
...or we could just laugh at you, it is also a viable answer to the current thread.
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Hrin
NO BLOOD FOR FERROGEL
i invented this phrase when mike takumi got banned that one time true story
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 21:50:00 -
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free firstname lastname power to the people!
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jamus Drakkon
Originally by: Civrax
Oh snap, watch out: I hear Empire Pubbies, Alts and our enemies know more about us and their posts about our truths will certainly tear the very foundation of our alliance out from under us...
...or we could just laugh at you, it is also a viable answer to the current thread.
There is where you are wrong, I have been in two alliances now that the Goons screwed over. These alliances were +10 BLUE allies not just NAP'd allies and in both instances they did not uphold their promise of aid when sovern systems were being seiged and in both instances Goons took actions that were the deciding factor in laying waste the the defensive ability of said alliances. One was political turning and back alley deals to get the alliance wrecked and the other was overt treason to the multi alliance defense.
I was not an enemy until the second, I wrote off the first as an honest mistake despite the evidence given to me at the time. The second was full of evidence also. This time I understood what it is to be an "ally" to the Goonswarm.
guessing votf
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Minbiry
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Junkie Beverage
Originally by: Jamus Drakkon
blahblhabblhab
guessing votf
JB are you getting the fc training in 4 thread beneath this
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Jamus Drakkon
Caldari
Confederate Government
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zizzyx
Originally by: Jamus Drakkon
There is where you are wrong, I have been in two alliances now that the Goons screwed over. These alliances were +10 BLUE allies not just NAP'd allies and in both instances they did not uphold their promise of aid when sovern systems were being seiged and in both instances Goons took actions that were the deciding factor in laying waste the the defensive ability of said alliances. One was political turning and back alley deals to get the alliance wrecked and the other was overt treason to the multi alliance defense.
I was not an enemy until the second, I wrote off the first as an honest mistake despite the evidence given to me at the time. The second was full of evidence also. This time I understood what it is to be an "ally" to the Goonswarm.
Name names or it never happened.
FREGE...
KOS...
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Minbiry
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jamus Drakkon
Originally by: Zizzyx
etc etc
FREGE...
KOS...
looooooooooool
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Minbiry
Originally by: Junkie Beverage
Originally by: Jamus Drakkon
blahblhabblhab
guessing votf
JB are you getting the fc training in 4 thread beneath this
i havent read that is it a good read or no can i get a tl;dr
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Julian Shran
Amarr
Vengeance of the Fallen
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Minbiry
Originally by: Jamus Drakkon
Originally by: Zizzyx
etc etc
FREGE...
KOS...
looooooooooool
Post with your main please...
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Julian Shran
Amarr
Vengeance of the Fallen
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Junkie Beverage
Originally by: Minbiry
Originally by: Junkie Beverage
Originally by: Jamus Drakkon
blahblhabblhab
guessing votf
JB are you getting the fc training in 4 thread beneath this
i havent read that is it a good read or no can i get a tl;dr
Stay on topic please...
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Kaldaine
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Junkie Beverage
Originally by: Minbiry
Originally by: Junkie Beverage
Originally by: Jamus Drakkon
blahblhabblhab
guessing votf
JB are you getting the fc training in 4 thread beneath this
i havent read that is it a good read or no can i get a tl;dr
Yaay offers FC courses for alliances/individuals at 1-10 billion isk pricetags.
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kaldaine
Originally by: Junkie Beverage
Originally by: Minbiry
JB are you getting the fc training in 4 thread beneath this
i havent read that is it a good read or no can i get a tl;dr
Yaay offers FC courses for alliances/individuals at 1-10 billion isk pricetags.
does he prorate for peptalks or no
also can i pay him to fc for a diff alliance how would that even work
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Cursive
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:36:00 -
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Words. Words. Words.
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Kaldaine
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Junkie Beverage
Originally by: Kaldaine
Originally by: Junkie Beverage
Originally by: Minbiry
JB are you getting the fc training in 4 thread beneath this
i havent read that is it a good read or no can i get a tl;dr
Yaay offers FC courses for alliances/individuals at 1-10 billion isk pricetags.
does he prorate for peptalks or no
also can i pay him to fc for a diff alliance how would that even work
peptalk jokes were played out within the first several posts how could you not predict that
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Civrax
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:46:00 -
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There is a certain degree of dependability when dealing with Goons. You pat our back, we pat yours. We patted yours, you recruited farmers and carebears: nice return.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Shran
As for the "Generousity" of Goons to nubs, if you need bodies to throw at HACS then you need to give them cheap free ships...
They do. Not only that, individual members shower them with random ISK donations at all times. Seriously, there is no corporation in Eve that loves on their newbies and supports them like Goonfleet. Not a single one. Anyone who has any experience with Goonswarm knows this. It's always "aww, cute newbie. Sending ISK."
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Julian Shran
Amarr
Vengeance of the Fallen
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Julian Shran on 04/03/2008 22:55:52
Originally by: Civrax
There is a certain degree of dependability when dealing with Goons. You pat our back, we pat yours. We patted yours, you recruited farmers and carebears: nice return.
I think what he is refering to is the patting someone's back with a knife in your hand.
Curiously, isn't anything not PVP related considered carebearing? So moon mining would count?
I am sure there are a fair amount of "Carebears" in the ranks of the Swarm also, otherwise you would not have the income you do have from minerals and reactions.
Tell me this: At what point do the Goons determine that an alliance is full of carebears? When they want theire moons? Then eventually Goons will determine everyone is full of them and will take whatever it deems as the "corrective" action. Someone earlier implied that I have no idea of the workings of Goons. If that is so, then how can Goons ever hope to know the workings of another alliance and determine that they are full of carebears?
This is just weak logic.
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Pokcha
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:54:00 -
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the newbie lotteries are the best
a rifter fitted with 3x cccs?
i wish i could get me one of them.
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Zizzyx
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jamus Drakkon
FREGE...
KOS...
Wasn't around long enough to go to know anything about FREGE but I do distinctly remember when AAA set you hostile for attacking their POSes - which, even though it didn't cause Goonswarm proper to set you red, did completely destroy any sympathy goons had for any of you losers. Everything that happened after that you really had coming to you.
One day people will learn that if you don't play nice, you will get stomped on. If you don't bring anything useful to the table, why assume that we have an obligation to protect you? Goonswarm practically gives away regions, stations, whatnot and all that we ask is that you be useful. If you're useless, you're gone, it's that simple.
Why would we take time away from our own war to help you if you can't even begin to help yourselves? We're not America, we're Goonfleet.
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Civrax
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Civrax on 04/03/2008 22:56:24
Originally by: Julian Shran
Originally by: Civrax
There is a certain degree of dependability when dealing with Goons. You pat our back, we pat yours. We patted yours, you recruited farmers and carebears: nice return.
I think what he is refering to is the patting someone's back with a knife in your hand.
Curiously, isn't anything not PVP related considered carebearing? So moon mining would count?
I am sure there are a fair amount of "Carebears" in the ranks of the Swarm also, otherwise your would not have the income you do have from minerals and reactions.
Tell me this: At what point do the Goons determine that an alliance is full of carebears? when they want their moons? Then eventually Goons will determine everyone is full of them and will take whatever it deems as the "corrective" action. Someone earlier implied that I have no idea of the workings of Goons. If that is so, then how can Goons ever hope to know the workings of another alliance and determine that they are full of carebears?
This is just weak logic.
Yes, your logic is quite weak: thanks for clarifying that for everyone.
And we didn't take corrective action, KOS attacked AAA (aka, KOS took it's own best corrective action).
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Zizzyx
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Shran
I think what he is refering to is the patting someone's back with a knife in your hand.
Curiously, isn't anything not PVP related considered carebearing? So moon mining would count?
I am sure there are a fair amount of "Carebears" in the ranks of the Swarm also, otherwise your would not have the income you do have from minerals and reactions.
Tell me this: At what point do the Goons determine that an alliance is full of carebears? when they want theire moons? Then eventually Goons will determine everyone is full of them and will take whatever it deems as the "corrective" action. Someone earlier implied that I have no idea of the workings of Goons. If that is so, then how can Goons ever hope to know the workings of another alliance and determine that they are full of carebears?
This is just weak logic.
If you want to be an industrial alliance, that's all well and good - that's what MRCHI does. However, even MRCHI has plenty of people that show up on alliance operations - hell, one of our great FCs is from MRCHI. And barring that, we're usually pretty friendly with people that don't do much combat support but help us by way of supporting our industrial backbone... but if you don't do either we aren't going to do jack to help you when someone else drops the hammer.
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Julian Shran
Amarr
Vengeance of the Fallen
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:02:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Civrax
Edited by: Civrax on 04/03/2008 22:56:24
Originally by: Julian Shran
Originally by: Civrax
There is a certain degree of dependability when dealing with Goons. You pat our back, we pat yours. We patted yours, you recruited farmers and carebears: nice return.
I think what he is refering to is the patting someone's back with a knife in your hand.
Curiously, isn't anything not PVP related considered carebearing? So moon mining would count?
I am sure there are a fair amount of "Carebears" in the ranks of the Swarm also, otherwise your would not have the income you do have from minerals and reactions.
Tell me this: At what point do the Goons determine that an alliance is full of carebears? when they want their moons? Then eventually Goons will determine everyone is full of them and will take whatever it deems as the "corrective" action. Someone earlier implied that I have no idea of the workings of Goons. If that is so, then how can Goons ever hope to know the workings of another alliance and determine that they are full of carebears?
This is just weak logic.
Yes, your logic is quite weak: thanks for clarifying that for everyone.
And we didn't take corrective action, KOS attacked AAA (aka, KOS took it's own best corrective action).
From what I know AAA attacked and KOS asked for Goon assistance and then were informed after a large battle that was to destroy a BoB fleet that Goons would not shoot AAA.
Then when Goons were asked for help KOS found Goons following KOS fleets providing AAA intel on locations and ship makeup.
Additionally during that time KOS were kicked form all Southern Coalition intel channels. This was supposedly during the time KOS was still part of the Coalition.
Also if you are unable to argue a point with some intelligence and can only quote bits of test attmepting to dissuade other from reading then do not bother.
Give informative facts and then people can see what Goons are about.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:04:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Julian Shran
Originally by: Civrax
There is a certain degree of dependability when dealing with Goons. You pat our back, we pat yours. We patted yours, you recruited farmers and carebears: nice return.
I think what he is refering to is the patting someone's back with a knife in your hand.
Curiously, isn't anything not PVP related considered carebearing? So moon mining would count?
I am sure there are a fair amount of "Carebears" in the ranks of the Swarm also, otherwise your would not have the income you do have from minerals and reactions.
Tell me this: At what point do the Goons determine that an alliance is full of carebears? when they want theire moons? Then eventually Goons will determine everyone is full of them and will take whatever it deems as the "corrective" action. Someone earlier implied that I have no idea of the workings of Goons. If that is so, then how can Goons ever hope to know the workings of another alliance and determine that they are full of carebears?
This is just weak logic.
Believing that Goons had any kind of moral obligation to help KOS against AAA is seriously weak logic. You recruit farmer corps into the alliance who then go and rat in Goon space without permission, and then you pick a fight with AAA (who are definitely better friends to Goons than you) and you expect Goons to help you?
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Julian Shran
Amarr
Vengeance of the Fallen
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:04:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Zizzyx
Originally by: Julian Shran
I think what he is refering to is the patting someone's back with a knife in your hand.
Curiously, isn't anything not PVP related considered carebearing? So moon mining would count?
I am sure there are a fair amount of "Carebears" in the ranks of the Swarm also, otherwise your would not have the income you do have from minerals and reactions.
Tell me this: At what point do the Goons determine that an alliance is full of carebears? when they want theire moons? Then eventually Goons will determine everyone is full of them and will take whatever it deems as the "corrective" action. Someone earlier implied that I have no idea of the workings of Goons. If that is so, then how can Goons ever hope to know the workings of another alliance and determine that they are full of carebears?
This is just weak logic.
If you want to be an industrial alliance, that's all well and good - that's what MRCHI does. However, even MRCHI has plenty of people that show up on alliance operations - hell, one of our great FCs is from MRCHI. And barring that, we're usually pretty friendly with people that don't do much combat support but help us by way of supporting our industrial backbone... but if you don't do either we aren't going to do jack to help you when someone else drops the hammer.
This is exactly what I am talking about. If the Goons do not see a profit from someone they will orchestrate their demise in a harsh and swift manner. No reasons given other than "see you didn't give use your (insert what Goons desire) so we cannot help you."
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Julian Shran
Amarr
Vengeance of the Fallen
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:07:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: Julian Shran
Originally by: Civrax
There is a certain degree of dependability when dealing with Goons. You pat our back, we pat yours. We patted yours, you recruited farmers and carebears: nice return.
I think what he is refering to is the patting someone's back with a knife in your hand.
Curiously, isn't anything not PVP related considered carebearing? So moon mining would count?
I am sure there are a fair amount of "Carebears" in the ranks of the Swarm also, otherwise your would not have the income you do have from minerals and reactions.
Tell me this: At what point do the Goons determine that an alliance is full of carebears? when they want theire moons? Then eventually Goons will determine everyone is full of them and will take whatever it deems as the "corrective" action. Someone earlier implied that I have no idea of the workings of Goons. If that is so, then how can Goons ever hope to know the workings of another alliance and determine that they are full of carebears?
This is just weak logic.
Believing that Goons had any kind of moral obligation to help KOS against AAA is seriously weak logic. You recruit farmer corps into the alliance who then go and rat in Goon space without permission, and then you pick a fight with AAA (who are definitely better friends to Goons than you) and you expect Goons to help you?
Not a moral obligation, but as part of the Coalition Goons agreed that they along with the rest would defend only if sovern space was threatened. They did not and invited AAA and VENOM to take the space.
Broken promises because KOS would not give up some prom and dyspro moons.
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:15:00 -
[51]
Goons have become a lot like BoB, but they will never be exactly like BoB. You see, BoB can PvP.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Cursive
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:16:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Julian Shran
This is just weak logic.
And that is ad hominem and not "logic" at all. Pretty much everything you've said is a text-book logical fallacy, but YAWN. <-- See, I bolded that, it means SERIOUS YAWN.
Forums are the best.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:16:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Julian Shran
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: Julian Shran
Originally by: Civrax
There is a certain degree of dependability when dealing with Goons. You pat our back, we pat yours. We patted yours, you recruited farmers and carebears: nice return.
I think what he is refering to is the patting someone's back with a knife in your hand.
Curiously, isn't anything not PVP related considered carebearing? So moon mining would count?
I am sure there are a fair amount of "Carebears" in the ranks of the Swarm also, otherwise your would not have the income you do have from minerals and reactions.
Tell me this: At what point do the Goons determine that an alliance is full of carebears? when they want theire moons? Then eventually Goons will determine everyone is full of them and will take whatever it deems as the "corrective" action. Someone earlier implied that I have no idea of the workings of Goons. If that is so, then how can Goons ever hope to know the workings of another alliance and determine that they are full of carebears?
This is just weak logic.
Believing that Goons had any kind of moral obligation to help KOS against AAA is seriously weak logic. You recruit farmer corps into the alliance who then go and rat in Goon space without permission, and then you pick a fight with AAA (who are definitely better friends to Goons than you) and you expect Goons to help you?
Not a moral obligation, but as part of the Coalition Goons agreed that they along with the rest would defend only if sovern space was threatened. They did not and invited AAA and VENOM to take the space.
Broken promises because KOS would not give up some prom and dyspro moons.
Dude, the Goonswarm general membership were itching to kill you off for the things you were doing (like the aforementioned KOS farmers in Goonspace). If the Goon leadership had really wanted to kill you off, I'm sure they would have preserved that pleasure for Goonswarm.
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Julian Shran
Amarr
Vengeance of the Fallen
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:24:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Dude, the Goonswarm general membership were itching to kill you off for the things you were doing (like the aforementioned KOS farmers in Goonspace). If the Goon leadership had really wanted to kill you off, I'm sure they would have preserved that pleasure for Goonswarm.
This is the deflection they needed and orchestrated. These "agreements" are only followed by Goons if is suits them. To do not want to be known for betrayal, so this is the tactic.
The ratting in Goon space was an excuse. KOS had the entire Teneferis region. KOS ratted there. Goons took space in Teneferis and said it was ok for those KOS members still in those systems to rat and then turned tables when KOS did not want to hand over valuable moons.
It is a lie and an excuse to make Goons look like they were in the right.
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:25:00 -
[55]
let me clear this up for you
"Once upon a time there was a shobon little alliance named KOS who had some decent leaders and members and joined the winning team when their buddies threw them to the wolves. Then a lot of time passes and they stay pretty shobon but get a lot of farmers in there and well that's annoying but then their leaders go mostly afk. Then this ****face who has killed every alliance he's ever been in gets into a position of near power in KOS and then spends the next month recruiting every player he can find (like he did in his last two failed alliances) and causing huge drama with people who should be his friends (like he did in his last two failed alliances) so that he can prove how STRONG and NEEDED his leadership is in this time of crisis."
so here we are the third time an alliance has been killed by this blowhard yet someone is acting surprised for some reason
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Julian Shran
Amarr
Vengeance of the Fallen
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:29:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Junkie Beverage
let me clear this up for you
"Once upon a time there was a shobon little alliance named KOS who had some decent leaders and members and joined the winning team when their buddies threw them to the wolves. Then a lot of time passes and they stay pretty shobon but get a lot of farmers in there and well that's annoying but then their leaders go mostly afk. Then this ****face who has killed every alliance he's ever been in gets into a position of near power in KOS and then spends the next month recruiting every player he can find (like he did in his last two failed alliances) and causing huge drama with people who should be his friends (like he did in his last two failed alliances) so that he can prove how STRONG and NEEDED his leadership is in this time of crisis."
so here we are the third time an alliance has been killed by this blowhard yet someone is acting surprised for some reason
Name names or it didn't happen...
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:29:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Junkie Beverage on 04/03/2008 23:29:37
seriously i have never said an unkind word about kos and firk is my brosef for lyfe but the leaders towards the end were pants on head short-busers
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:36:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Julian Shran
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Dude, the Goonswarm general membership were itching to kill you off for the things you were doing (like the aforementioned KOS farmers in Goonspace). If the Goon leadership had really wanted to kill you off, I'm sure they would have preserved that pleasure for Goonswarm.
This is the deflection they needed and orchestrated. These "agreements" are only followed by Goons if is suits them. To do not want to be known for betrayal, so this is the tactic.
The ratting in Goon space was an excuse. KOS had the entire Teneferis region. KOS ratted there. Goons took space in Teneferis and said it was ok for those KOS members still in those systems to rat and then turned tables when KOS did not want to hand over valuable moons.
It is a lie and an excuse to make Goons look like they were in the right.
Anyone who was in Goonswarm at the time (yes, this is an alt, my main is... indisposed... for 2 weeks  ) knows that what I wrote is true. The regular members wanted to kill KOS and kept being told by the directors to calm down. And this was going on for at least a month, I think more, before you and AAA started fighting.
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Erik Amirault
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:52:00 -
[59]
I didn't read a single word in this thread except the title. I am posting to increase my post count.
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Mo Steel
Caldari
Sanguis vix Dignatio
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:59:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Kaldaine
Originally by: Julian Shran
Weren't the original Goons fighting just that kind of hippocracy?
We are still very much so fighting the good fight against hippos.
Winner of thread.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 00:07:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Julian Shran
Originally by: Junkie Beverage
let me clear this up for you
"Once upon a time there was a shobon little alliance named KOS who had some decent leaders and members and joined the winning team when their buddies threw them to the wolves. Then a lot of time passes and they stay pretty shobon but get a lot of farmers in there and well that's annoying but then their leaders go mostly afk. Then this ****face who has killed every alliance he's ever been in gets into a position of near power in KOS and then spends the next month recruiting every player he can find (like he did in his last two failed alliances) and causing huge drama with people who should be his friends (like he did in his last two failed alliances) so that he can prove how STRONG and NEEDED his leadership is in this time of crisis."
so here we are the third time an alliance has been killed by this blowhard yet someone is acting surprised for some reason
Name names or it didn't happen...
You're seriously pretty dumb if you cant work out that he's talking about Xirtam.
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Thomina Yorke
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 00:08:00 -
[62]
Everything Xirtam touches turns to shit.
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 00:28:00 -
[63]
this is known as the chowdown effect
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The Mittani
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 04:57:00 -
[64]
hey nice latin alliance name you've got there votf
i forgot my roots once but then i found them again it was pretty confusing
also hey what's with this big marxist kick on caod about the rich capitalists exploiting the working man it's kind of out of nowhere
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Baxalusx
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 08:20:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Baxalusx on 05/03/2008 08:21:08
This thread is based on some hilarious bull**** fed to the OP by Xirtam. The actual story is we gave KOS several stations worth of space when BoB abandoned the south and retreated west, on the condition that we retained rights to the promethium/dysprosium moons should we eventually want them. Later, Xirtam and VOTF joined KOS and, apparently in Plazmalord's absence, essentially took over and started making trouble, like trying to back out of our agreement on the southern moons. Additionally, we had trouble with other KOS corps like Blue Labs squatting on the moons for months before that.
I was directly involved in the situation from crafting the agreement right to the end as head of GS moon mining, so I have a reasonably good idea about how this went down, and while I'm sure you've no intention of accepting the correct version of the facts as it would, well, make you look silly for trusting Xirtam, there's no logical reason it would have happened the way you claim it did. As I recall, Plazmalord himself was not exactly happy with the way Xirtam had handled the situation in his absence, either, and was actually quite sympathetic to GS.
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Anikadir
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.05 11:45:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Baxalusx
Edited by: Baxalusx on 05/03/2008 08:21:08
This thread is based on some hilarious bull**** fed to the OP by Xirtam. The actual story is we gave KOS several stations worth of space when BoB abandoned the south and retreated west, on the condition that we retained rights to the promethium/dysprosium moons should we eventually want them. Later, Xirtam and VOTF joined KOS and, apparently in Plazmalord's absence, essentially took over and started making trouble, like trying to back out of our agreement on the southern moons. Additionally, we had trouble with other KOS corps like Blue Labs squatting on the moons for months before that.
I was directly involved in the situation from crafting the agreement right to the end as head of GS moon mining, so I have a reasonably good idea about how this went down, and while I'm sure you've no intention of accepting the correct version of the facts as it would, well, make you look silly for trusting Xirtam, there's no logical reason it would have happened the way you claim it did. As I recall, Plazmalord himself was not exactly happy with the way Xirtam had handled the situation in his absence, either, and was actually quite sympathetic to GS.
And you say you don't roleplay and don't like folks posting long winded poasts?
Many hippos died ferrying the electrons from my screen to yours.
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Baxalusx
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 11:55:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Baxalusx on 05/03/2008 11:55:49
Originally by: Anikadir
Originally by: Baxalusx
Edited by: Baxalusx on 05/03/2008 08:21:08
This thread is based on some hilarious bull**** fed to the OP by Xirtam. The actual story is we gave KOS several stations worth of space when BoB abandoned the south and retreated west, on the condition that we retained rights to the promethium/dysprosium moons should we eventually want them. Later, Xirtam and VOTF joined KOS and, apparently in Plazmalord's absence, essentially took over and started making trouble, like trying to back out of our agreement on the southern moons. Additionally, we had trouble with other KOS corps like Blue Labs squatting on the moons for months before that.
I was directly involved in the situation from crafting the agreement right to the end as head of GS moon mining, so I have a reasonably good idea about how this went down, and while I'm sure you've no intention of accepting the correct version of the facts as it would, well, make you look silly for trusting Xirtam, there's no logical reason it would have happened the way you claim it did. As I recall, Plazmalord himself was not exactly happy with the way Xirtam had handled the situation in his absence, either, and was actually quite sympathetic to GS.
And you say you don't roleplay and don't like folks posting long winded poasts?
Many hippos died ferrying the electrons from my screen to yours.
I have no problem with long winded posts so long as they're worth reading and make debatable, logically constructed points. I'm a big old hurf blurfer, there's plenty of competent guys on the poasting crew already.
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Dorah Hawkwing
Chosen Path
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.03.05 12:36:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Jamus Drakkon
I was not an enemy until the second, I wrote off the first as an honest mistake despite the evidence given to me at the time. The second was full of evidence also. This time I understood what it is to be an "ally" to the Goonswarm.
oh what being an 'ally' to goonswarm means has been known by a few since back to the OSS / tribute time... when goons tried to trick their northern OOS aliance branch into covering their asset-retreat from tribute before D¦ advance... too bad the dupes woke up in time back then.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.05 12:43:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Dorah Hawkwing
Originally by: Jamus Drakkon
I was not an enemy until the second, I wrote off the first as an honest mistake despite the evidence given to me at the time. The second was full of evidence also. This time I understood what it is to be an "ally" to the Goonswarm.
oh what being an 'ally' to goonswarm means has been known by a few since back to the OSS / tribute time... when goons tried to trick their northern OOS aliance branch into covering their asset-retreat from tribute before D¦ advance... too bad the dupes woke up in time back then.
chosen path talking about betrayal hahahahahahhahhaha oh man
also you're in veritas immortalis now f y i
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Dkiler
Gallente
Dkiller Delta Force Corp.
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.03.05 23:43:00 -
[70]
Originally by: The Mittani
hey nice latin alliance name you've got there votf
hey julian get back and shoot ****  , forum whoring is not adviced º 37 ; section 6
ohh btw Mittani i made that name 
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Brobuck
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 00:18:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Junkie Beverage
free firstname lastname power to the people!
Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!!! Help!!! I'm being oppressed!!!11`
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Devian 666
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 00:57:00 -
[72]
My broken computer is oppressing me someone send ha;lp
Originally by: Darkrydar
Oh and killboard loss arguments are so 2005.
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Mike Huckabee
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.03.06 01:03:00 -
[73]
Only Nate Hammertown can save us now.
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duckmonster
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.06 01:07:00 -
[74]
its me im the duckmonster in the op
Ima just go and check up on my new-bee "man drones". The isk supplies are getting low again!
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