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Red Doom Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.03.05 08:24:00 - [31] Dear Mr Hooch. Your opening post paves the road to the future. It guarantees war. Were Eve University (or any corporation in the same position) to accede to your public demands and pay the ISK you ask they would automatically become the prime target of every corporation who would seek to rattle sabers and threaten war as a means to attempt to obtain ISK from them in the future. Therefore they now cannot give you what you demand, even if they wanted to, because the repercussions of doing so would be to deeply poison their own well. As they cannot give you what you want you are now in a difficult position of your own, also because of your public stance, because if you withdraw your demand or modify it overly much your corporation will lose face and therefore be passed over for contracts in the future. Likewise to do anything else but to declare war you would risk appearing as a æstaw manÆ in the eyes of your peers both within your corp and the wider Eve community. It would seem you shot both the dove of peace and your chance at ransom before you ever set your clock running.
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.05 08:25:00 - [32] Haven't I seen this thread before? Like 3 or 4 times? --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Eskona Runningstar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.05 08:50:00 - [33] E-UNI is approaching its anniversary again, and there was a "roam low-sec" event to shoot reds and those who opened fire on us. At no point did IVY forces open fire on blues. The Privateer pilot in question was approaching two wings of our fleet with a smartbombing Typhoon and was flashy. He was in smartbomb range when he exploded, and he did attack and destroy IVY frigates with his smartbombs. The ship was purpose-fit to attack the frigates in our fleet. The last two Privateer incidents on our killboard before the current one were in April 2007 and November 2007.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.03.05 09:58:00 - [34] The plot thickens. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Kelduum Revaan Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.05 10:53:00 - [35] Originally by: The Hooch I have spoken with the alliance leader and told him after the incidents that we would not put up with another gang bang of anymore of our pilots, and he agreed to set us to +1 just to remind his alliance of our no shoot policy. Hooch, I would suggest you check your logs. Please let me know if you require a copy of our last conversation from November 18th. After the last 'incident', where one of our training gangs engaged a target already under fire from another party and criminally flagged, I offered a NAP which was turned down, and in good faith, reset Privateers to neutral standings, making it clear we are NRDS. Admittedly, I didn't clarify that -10.0 sec status members are still valid targets under the IVY RoE, but it should be noted that the recent incident involved a pilot who was both criminally flagged and belonged to a corp which had negative standings for repeated acts of piracy previous to them joining the Privateers. I'm not aware of any '+1' standings being mentioned, and indeed no mention of them are listed on our knowledgebase or any convo logs, and it is not something we would do - we only maintain alliance standings for simplified management, and these are made public, along with our policies (please check www.eve-ivy.com ingame). Finally, it should be noted that the recent incident was in losec, and the Privateer member initiated the hostilities, which is why the second highest entry on the killmail is the Caldari Sentry gun from the gate. Admittedly a 180+ man fleet appearing in-system would make most pilots nervous, but to recap, the pilot in question was a member of a corp with negative standings and a history of attacking Eve University pilots, had a -10 security status, and initiated hostilities, rather than warping out. We still maintain an Open NAP policy (again, see our IGB site for details), and would not have a problem in setting Privateers blue. Of course, as with everyone else we retain standings with, this in no way suggests that we agree with or support any of their actions, it is simply a ceasefire agreement and function to allow our students to identify non-hostiles. Originally by: The Hooch The only way to avoid this action will be to drop 1 Billion ISK into the Privateer's wallet within 24 hours from the time of this post and that will grant you 4 weeks of peace with us and will replace ships lost due to your ill advised actions against us. Attempts to extort money in this fashion do not tend to be well received - especially when we can easily use the same amount of ISK to continue a sustained campaign against an aggressor for months. Tech 1 frigates are very cheap, and it has been a while since our last war, so there are new students to train, especially with our membership growing considerably after the recent graphical improvements and Steam release. I should point out the Navitas and the Abaddon flown by E-UNI pilots and lost to the same member corporation in two separate incidents later, and at the time, the pilot involved in the initial incident stated that he "needed the insurance" in local, so its is unlikely that the single insured Typhoon loss and its mainly T1 fittings would come to 1 billion ISK, even with the typical losec markup. Unfortunately, Its a common misconception that Eve University doesnt like war. In fact, its quite the opposite - the occasional war is very good for training students, and with our massive base of pilots learning fast with nothing to lose, combined with FCs with years of experience in command roles, its is very uncommon that we 'lose' wars, either in ISK or resource damages. On top of this, wars declared by the Privateers on Eve University have not ended well for them in the past, with us actively hunting any available war-targets in empire and out, disrupting the typical gate camps. Hooch, as always, you are free to convo me ingame later today. -- Kelduum Revaan Diplomatic Director Eve University <IVY> _____
Cephalus Gallente Epic.	Posted - 2008.03.05 11:27:00 - [36] i dont understand why anyone would pay to get eve-uni killed? 04/10 - 12:28
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 13:30:00 - [37] Heh, so many nasty comments so little time. 1. We are a corpse waiting to be buried, oddly nobody has managed it thus far. 2. I did back them into an impossible corner, that was the point. 3. We do lose against 80+ blobs, most others do as well. 4. Yes he was rigged for lowsec smart bombing... we are thugs after all, and they targeted him first so he said "oh hell" why not. They jumped in on him and had him bingo'd how else could 81 guys get a piece of the km? 5. The Mods move my story posts now so I don't bother with anymore. 6. Given the number of T2 ships they have and well skilled pilots they are less a training alliance and more of an alliance that actively recruits new players to fill the role of meat shields during times of conflict and calls it "training". 7. You would be suprised at how many people want to pay us to dec Ivy. Finally even bad press is press after, now ain't it. This is a game, I am really bored at times with Goons and BoB posts. This allows us all a nice change of pace for our forum trolling. My guys get a kick out of watching me make an ass out of myself and reminds us all to never take this ** too seriously. Hooch, grumpy old man and forum * Concord punishes people, it does not protect them**
Tormenta Noche Amarr Tormenta Noche Industries	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:28:00 - [38] Originally by: The Hooch After repeated attacks on our pilots I now have no choice but to end this "hands off" agreement. Hmmm.... Too bad Privateers don't post their losses to their own killboard to provide substance to this 'claim'. Review of the Ivy killboard shows the Typhoon loss detailed above on March 1. The next most recent entry is on November 10, some 3 months ago. The next most recent entry is April 10, the last time Ivy & Privateers were at war. 2 non-war losses in 11 months. So, Hooch, drop the pretense. Admit there were no 'repeated attacks'. You guys just can't stand Goons' Hulk griefing leading to a worse reputation for thuggery than yours. The pair you grow just might be your own. Tormenta Noche "It's all just a bad dream..."
Freddy Jnr Racketeers	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:33:00 - [39] Backing you 100% on this one Hooch. Good luck
Ventro69 Caldari Manson Family SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:48:00 - [40] I can't decide who to back. Both alliances do so much good for the EVE universe. Let's just agree, less talk, more action. Pew pew pew...
Lrrp Minmatar Gallente Mercantile Exchange Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2008.03.05 15:06:00 - [41] Originally by: The Hooch Originally by: ZenTex Edited by: ZenTex on 04/03/2008 22:59:27 Wow. Always enjoyed reading about your decs, but seriously, Eve-Uni? When I see KM's that have 81 ships on one Typhoon that tells me alot... I understand E-Uni has secret Goonswarm "advisors" teaching it's pilots
Kelduum Revaan Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.05 15:47:00 - [42] This is a bit of a shame really, as I would have rather this be settled privately. Anyway (and apologies for the length)... Regarding the blobs - what can we do when we plan a celebratory 'rampage' and end up with a 180 ship fleet in our HQ system, sitting at a planet, ready to go? We broke the fleet up as much as possible, and in fact the element of the fleet which attacked the poor lone-BS-flying-negative-10-sec-minus-5-standing-pirate was only 2 wings of the 5 we had at the time - I believe the others were taking an alternate route, but there are only so many routes to 0.0. When you have a ratio of FCs to students of about 20:1, you form a big fleet, as there isn't much of a choice. We split it up as much as possible to avoid lag, with groups taking different routes, scouting, securing systems ahead and so on, but there comes a point when you have few options, especially when the most efficient ship most members can fly is a frigate. Originally by: The Hooch I did back them into an impossible corner, that was the point. I'm looking around, but I'm not seeing any corners around here - I suspect the corner you are referring to may be a bit more local. Assuming you are referring to us, it should be quite well known by now that we do not give in to blackmail or extortion, and it just ends up bad for the those attempting it. Originally by: The Hooch We do lose against 80+ blobs, most others do as well. Well, most actually dock or run, and whine in local, but yes, the students are eager and like their pew-pew, as I believe Ponderous stated. Originally by: The Hooch Yes he was rigged for lowsec smart bombing... we are thugs after all, and they targeted him first so he said "oh hell" why not. They jumped in on him and had him bingo'd how else could 81 guys get a piece of the km? Well, I was there at the time, and he was around 250km from the gate, so it took a while for one of our interceptors to close the gap and give us somewhere to warp to. Not exactly being 'jumped on' as you described, and there were others there who didn't get on the killmail as they didn't have chance. But, out of interest, how are a group of -10 losec pirates compatible with Privateers? You are well known for empire wars, and as such tend to operate there quite a bit. Obviously you do pursue people into losec from time to time, but I wouldn't think a group who are limited to losec would be much of an asset. It should be noted that I don't have anything against Filthy Scum - they do a good job of being the evil pirate menace a few jumps from hisec, but I just don't see how they fit into the Privateers mission.
Kelduum Revaan Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.05 15:48:00 - [43] (continued...) Originally by: The Hooch Given the number of T2 ships they have and well skilled pilots they are less a training alliance and more of an alliance that actively recruits new players to fill the role of meat shields during times of conflict and calls it "training". So, what you seem to be trying to do here is claim that we don't actually teach any more, and just recruit because we can? Interesting attempt, seeing as its well known we don't recruit during wars. Anyway, as a bit of a clarification, 12 out of the 81 ships on the killmail are Tech 2. We teach the students to fly what they can afford to lose, and what they can fly well, in that order. By far the majority of flying the T2 ships are instructors and directors. Now, it may be hard to believe, but every time Eve gets some big publicity in the press, there are quite a few new people playing, having problems with the learning curve, and then apply to the Uni. About one third of the applicants never make it into the Uni for one reason or another, and the last time I checked, we has around 500 people who have pending applications. So, if we wanted meat shields, we can easily get them. On top of these, its worth noting that we typically have a few experienced players per month joining us for a while in order to teach - people bored with the 'capital fleet lagfests' and 'boring POS sieges', who want to do something different. Often they will take on the FC role during wars, and flying under the IVY RoE, they tend to have quite a bit of fun. The thing is, the students don't care of they die, they don't care if they don't get the killing blow, they just want the experience of the fight and have nothing to lose. After all, frigates are very cheap to replace for anyone who has been playing a while, and when theres a few of them together in a well-run fleet, they can be dangerously effective. Originally by: The Hooch You would be suprised at how many people want to pay us to dec Ivy. Judging by past performance against IVY, and the general hostility you seem to have collected here, maybe these groups want you to declare war to watch you fail? Personally, I always saw the Privateers as the opposite of E-UNI and held you guys in fairly high regard, even more so after the conversations I had had with your leadership - you have an interesting and somewhat unique mission, but your reputation is slipping a little now. Anyway, the Uni is transitioning to war mode, we have jump clones provided for most of the students, and replacement frigates are being constructed. Its been a while since the last (rather short) war, so the new members are getting a little bloodthirsty - I just hope that this doesn't end up dragging on, as previous war have been rather disruptive for you. -- Kelduum Revaan Diplomatic Director Eve University <IVY> _____
Minbiry Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.05 15:57:00 - [44] Originally by: Lrrp I understand E-Uni has secret Goonswarm "advisors" teaching it's pilots this is a very stiff assumption i will need logs screenshots and FRAPPSED records of this incident along with killmails to demonstrate their teaching methods thank you Minbiry, Head Diplomat Republic Military School <RMS> Minbiry, Head Diplomat Republic Military School <RMS>
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.03.05 16:14:00 - [45] This thread is pure win. Eve Uni being accused of blobbing when a -10 Flashy attempts to kill frigs in a smartbombing ship in low sec. Fer Christ's sake, what would ANYONE do if a -10 Flashy was seen in low sec? Great Job, Eve Uni! Then PrivateRears moaning about some sort of ethics violation cuz they're low-life piewrat scum and didn't get to grief someone. Pure Joy! This must be Ambrosia from the Gods - made of the whiny tears of PrivateRears. Eve Uni, I believe the reason PrivateRears has not taken contracts against you is cuz they fear your uber-leet training students. Kick their ass.
Peekaboo Iseeyou	Posted - 2008.03.05 16:27:00 - [46] Quote: The only way to avoid this action will be to drop 1 Billion isk into the Privateer's wallet within 24 hours from the time of this post and that will grant you 4 weeks of peace with us and will replace ships lost due to your ill advised actions against us. "Pay 1b Iskies or I'mmagonna sit in station and rotate for the next week again. DON'T MAKE ME DO IT!! I'm WARNING!"
BLAMMM Minmatar Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.05 17:04:00 - [47] the privateers should end their petty action again the eve university, there are much meaner enemies to be shooting than those drunken students join blue! you know it's the right thing to do! BLAMMM's Rifter has been wtfpwn'd by something bigger.
Frayen Gallente Band of the Damned Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 17:26:00 - [48] Hooch! You do this on the week I have to work 12 hour shifts? You son of a *****! Ok, don't worry. I will evemail you some decent things to say in local chat. I wont be there to smack, but atleast some of the crap I say will be. Its like sniffing your friends finger after he does your girlfriend. Its not really the same, but atleast you can imagine you were there. _____________________________
Orkasm Leet Fleet R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.03.05 17:51:00 - [49] Edited by: Orkasm on 05/03/2008 17:51:05 Originally by: Cephalus i dont understand why anyone would pay to get eve-uni killed? I would, anyone who teaches noobs to blob all over the place should be shot to little pieces! Privateers just jump a Titan in there and dd the little F*****s pease ~Ork --------------------------------------
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 18:15:00 - [50] Edited by: The Hooch on 05/03/2008 18:15:56 There should be rules against having so much fun with one post... and I have not even make the war dec yet Hooch, easily entertained old fart Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
The Jackhammer Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 18:29:00 - [51] Originally by: The Hooch .... Meat Shields .... Thank-You, The Jackhammer
Zed Class Carribean Thai Fusion	Posted - 2008.03.05 19:20:00 - [52] I LOL'd. See ya in hellz0r, Privies. \| \|_Zed Class \|__CTFU Head Diplofatguy
IRONUTRR Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 19:28:00 - [53] Edited by: IRONUTRR on 05/03/2008 19:28:58 Damn, so these guys are the reason I hate fleet battles. It's time to start up the "Just Say no to Blobs" campaign. Guess we'll have to pull out the Privateer Titan.
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 19:35:00 - [54] Originally by: IRONUTRR Edited by: IRONUTRR on 05/03/2008 19:28:58 Damn, so these guys are the reason I hate fleet battles. It's time to start up the "Just Say no to Blobs" campaign. Guess we'll have to pull out the Privateer Titan. Oh damn it all to hell! Here I am trying to pick a fight and you blab about us having built a real Capital fleet and all. Thanks for running yer yap, wait till I tell Vance what you just did, you are so gonna get a whoop'n Hooch, old gasbag Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.05 19:37:00 - [55] Originally by: The Mittani griefing training corps is pretty awesome i think you'll like it o/\o grats all grats all IVY vs. The Goons? The T-1 Frigate wreckage will choke the skies...
Skitza Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.06 00:48:00 - [56] Edited by: Skitza on 06/03/2008 00:50:37 Originally by: Princess Jodi This thread is pure win. Eve Uni being accused of blobbing when a -10 Flashy attempts to kill frigs in a smartbombing ship in low sec. Fer Christ's sake, what would ANYONE do if a -10 Flashy was seen in low sec? Great Job, Eve Uni! Then PrivateRears moaning about some sort of ethics violation cuz they're low-life piewrat scum and didn't get to grief someone. Pure Joy! This must be Ambrosia from the Gods - made of the whiny tears of PrivateRears. Eve Uni, I believe the reason PrivateRears has not taken contracts against you is cuz they fear your uber-leet training students. Kick their ass. 0/10 You're by far one off the worst posters
Stolen Lotus Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2008.03.06 02:21:00 - [57] Originally by: kassie kelmar "# Criminally Flagged (Red Backed Skull) IVY members may initiate combat with player-pirates who are criminally flagged, for reason including (but not limited to) theft, unprovoked attack or security status below -5.0. Note that a criminal flag for theft does not propagate further than corporation members and other IVY corporations cannot retaliate for theft from another corporation" I've heard of "Not Red Don't Shoot" and "Not Blue Shoot It", what's this? Rules of engagement longer than four words won't get much respect. And hey I'm pretty flashy when out driving the Elise but no-one shoots at me :D
D8 PREACHER Reiskokopops	Posted - 2008.03.06 04:35:00 - [58] ok own up , who was the eve uni pilot that sniffed The Pooch`s @ss and got him all up in a hissy fit ?
Caliwyrm O'Libr Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.06 05:03:00 - [59] Originally by: Eskona Runningstar The Privateer pilot in question was approaching two wings of our fleet with a smartbombing Typhoon and was flashy. He was in smartbomb range when he exploded, and he did attack and destroy IVY frigates with his smartbombs. The ship was purpose-fit to attack the frigates in our fleet. Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Well, I was there at the time, and he was around 250km from the gate, so it took a while for one of our interceptors to close the gap and give us somewhere to warp to. Not exactly being 'jumped on' as you described, and there were others there who didn't get on the killmail as they didn't have chance. Which is it? Earlier we were told that the smartbombing mean evil Privateer approached your fleet. Now you're saying that you purposely flew 250km to attack a him.. ======= Talk is cheap because supply always outweighs demand..
Kandrew Dorak Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.06 06:12:00 - [60] Whoops, that was me up there. ^^

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