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The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.04 22:52:00 - [1] For the past 12 months I have turned down contract after contract against Eve University. I have told our corps that we have a strict no shoot policy and have taken action against people who went off the reservation and did so against stated policy. I have spoken with the alliance leader and told him after the incidents that we would not put up with another gang bang of anymore of our pilots, and he agreed to set us to +1 just to remind his alliance of our no shoot policy. After repeated attacks on our pilots I now have no choice but to end this "hands off" agreement. From this point forward we will take on contracts concerning Eve University. This first one will be on me, since it was my desire to leave them alone because I have always considered them to be a good thing for Eve as a whole. My efforts to keep them off the menu has only resulted in them throwing it back in my face and costing my pilots pods and ships. The only way to avoid this action will be to drop 1 Billion isk into the Privateer's wallet within 24 hours from the time of this post and that will grant you 4 weeks of peace with us and will replace ships lost due to your ill advised actions against us. The clock is running... Hooch, rip snort'n **ed off Concord punishes people, it does not protect them**
ZenTex Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.03.04 22:58:00 - [2] Edited by: ZenTex on 04/03/2008 22:59:27 Wow. Always enjoyed reading about your decs, but seriously, Eve-Uni? There's little a sledgehammer can't fix. If you can't fix it, you need a bigger sledgehammer. If it's unfixable, blame CCP. :p
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.04 23:05:00 - [3] Originally by: ZenTex Edited by: ZenTex on 04/03/2008 22:59:27 Wow. Always enjoyed reading about your decs, but seriously, Eve-Uni? When I see KM's that have 81 ships on one Typhoon that tells me alot... Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
SoldierOfJustice Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.03.04 23:30:00 - [4] Originally by: The Hooch Originally by: ZenTex Edited by: ZenTex on 04/03/2008 22:59:27 Wow. Always enjoyed reading about your decs, but seriously, Eve-Uni? When I see KM's that have 81 ships on one Typhoon that tells me alot... lol, 81 ships vs 1? no wonder everybody and their moms blob in EVE. EVE-Uni is teaching them. ---------- My words represent my opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of my corporation or alliance.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.03.04 23:35:00 - [5] Originally by: ZenTex Edited by: ZenTex on 04/03/2008 22:59:27 Wow. Always enjoyed reading about your decs, but seriously, Eve-Uni? ahhh another clueless Roadfail member posting...re-read the OP and maybe it'll make sense to you on the second or third go around. ____________________________________________ Originally by: Thargat They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.
Cybarite Gallente Aristotle Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.05 00:06:00 - [6] why exactly were you being nice to them in the first place? it's not like you guy's have carebare rep to uphold or anything. ... Why do I PvP? Because I love the feeling I get when I see the pretty lights and know that someone somewhere is screaming incoherently at their computer screen.
Requiescat True Foundation	Posted - 2008.03.05 00:27:00 - [7] My name is Requiescat and I fully endorse this product and/or service Putting them on a pedestal in the first place is silly in and of itself but them making you regret your actions by attacking your pilots is nothing short of Machiavellian, deserving of every bullet you put into them. Best of luck on your campaign sir
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 00:27:00 - [8] and in 2 days you'll claim you get a contract... ------ Tides of Silence
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 00:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Splagada and in 2 days you'll claim you get a contract... Ummm, less than that I am thinking Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
Zizzyx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.05 00:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Splagada and in 2 days you'll claim you get a contract... Originally by: The Hooch This first one will be on me, since it was my desire to leave them alone because I have always considered them to be a good thing for Eve as a whole. My efforts to keep them off the menu has only resulted in them throwing it back in my face and costing my pilots pods and ships. Read -> Comprehend -> Post
kassie kelmar Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.05 01:15:00 - [11] To The Hooch PLease read the relevant section of the University's Rules Of Engagement. "# Criminally Flagged (Red Backed Skull) IVY members may initiate combat with player-pirates who are criminally flagged, for reason including (but not limited to) theft, unprovoked attack or security status below -5.0. Note that a criminal flag for theft does not propagate further than corporation members and other IVY corporations cannot retaliate for theft from another corporation" As the person you claim was killed came in flashy, attacked and was killed. Do you wish to review the frapps footage we have of the engagement? No other University members except for diplomatic staff are to reply to this thread
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.03.05 01:17:00 - [12] Originally by: The Hooch Originally by: ZenTex Edited by: ZenTex on 04/03/2008 22:59:27 Wow. Always enjoyed reading about your decs, but seriously, Eve-Uni? When I see KM's that have 81 ships on one Typhoon that tells me alot... Tbh I don't blame you. If they have want to blob those kinds of numbers then you need to trim the fat I think. They had 130 in Bosena the other day. Spent my time out in a Eagle popping t1/t2 frigs.
Cosmic Raider Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.05 01:24:00 - [13] Originally by: The Hooch For the past 12 months I have turned down contract after contract against Eve University. I have told our corps that we have a strict no shoot policy and have taken action against people who went off the reservation and did so against stated policy. I have spoken with the alliance leader and told him after the incidents that we would not put up with another gang bang of anymore of our pilots, and he agreed to set us to +1 just to remind his alliance of our no shoot policy. After repeated attacks on our pilots I now have no choice but to end this "hands off" agreement. From this point forward we will take on contracts concerning Eve University. Confusing post tbh. You made a non-aggression pact with Eve Uni or not? The Uni is very careful about who is attacked. Did you discuss this with the Uni diplomats? Our diplomats pride themselves on working across Eve. I doubt they would fail to live up to any agreement. I was present the whole day last Saturday and can say that all targets we engaged were red and flashing. FC's made the rules of engagement very clear and all present were quite disciplined about engaging only designated targets. There seems to be some unhappiness with the "fairness" of our blob. Sorry about that. Most of us with little PVP experience and low SP totals are just happy if we can get a lock on someone, much less get on the kill mails. Eventually we will be experienced and, when we leave the Uni for our next corporation, you will all be the better for the experience we gained on our way to you. Inexperienced we may be, easily intimidated we are not. Time for some popcorn and clock watching.
Terror Rising Death Of Fallen Angels	Posted - 2008.03.05 01:25:00 - [14] Edited by: Terror Rising on 05/03/2008 01:26:46 Although you have jumped on his one statement, i believe his origional statement of "repeated" attacks still holds true. But can you really say that 81 vs 1 is somehow a measured response? Also, as Hooch has repeatedly NOT gone after EVE Uni, that should also tell you somthing.
Candyspy	Posted - 2008.03.05 01:36:00 - [15] Edited by: Candyspy on 05/03/2008 01:37:03
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 02:31:00 - [16] kassie kelmar We had a policy of not attacking Ivy, anywhere at anytime. Reguardless of popular ideas about us, we do operations in all areas of Eve and to that end we will chase fleeing targets into those areas. If you are saying that all bets are off in .4 and below then "it's on" mate. When this alliance was nerf'd to hell and back, we lacked enough targets to hardly hold us together, but we steadfastly held to the "no shoot Ivy policy" and refused badly needed contracts. I assumed you respected that, however your apparent lack of control over zealots has brought us to this. Hooch Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 02:44:00 - [17] lol are you greifing a training corp? I am broke and need isk to get my Thanatos combat ready against RA. All my peeps out there, please donate what you can to this character. boobs [IMG]http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/
kassie kelmar Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.05 02:45:00 - [18] You may wish to have to chat with your pilot about your own policies then.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.05 03:08:00 - [19] Originally by: dastommy79 lol are you greifing a training corp? reread op then post "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
Crimsonjade Anger Management	Posted - 2008.03.05 03:30:00 - [20] BB round 2 coming up. any corp teaching people to blob should be purged by fire! go Privateers. tempting to pay for the war myself
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.03.05 03:57:00 - [21] Originally by: Zizzyx Originally by: Splagada and in 2 days you'll claim you get a contract... Originally by: The Hooch This first one will be on me, since it was my desire to leave them alone because I have always considered them to be a good thing for Eve as a whole. My efforts to keep them off the menu has only resulted in them throwing it back in my face and costing my pilots pods and ships. Read -> Comprehend -> Post unfortunately, none of the hydra members know how to read->comprehend->post ____________________________________________ Originally by: Thargat They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.
Rechal Active Measures	Posted - 2008.03.05 04:20:00 - [22] First no more story posts, now this. The wheels are coming off....
Sabre A Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.05 04:42:00 - [23] AHAHAHAH Your a Joke Bud, "we chose not to dec the uni b/c we think they are good for eve"?? Im sure the past 4 wars with us kicking your @#* left and right didnt have anything to do with that right? You say pay 1 bil hahah. I say your a joke, we will cause that much damage to you in the first week. gl hooch
Dapanman1 Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.05 05:10:00 - [24] Edited by: Dapanman1 on 05/03/2008 05:10:21 Originally by: Sabre A AHAHAHAH Your a Joke Bud, "we chose not to dec the uni b/c we think they are good for eve"?? Im sure the past 4 wars with us kicking your @#* left and right didnt have anything to do with that right? You say pay 1 bil hahah. I say your a joke, we will cause that much damage to you in the first week. gl hooch I really hope you're not 'Diplomatic Staff.' Beets, you're among friends.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.05 05:18:00 - [25] griefing training corps is pretty awesome i think you'll like it o/\o grats all grats all
Sgt Napalm Synergy Fundacion	Posted - 2008.03.05 06:03:00 - [26] Eve University diplomat please contact me in game. My corporation wishes to help. Always up for some -PRIV- bashing.
Dr Qu Caldari Gone Viking	Posted - 2008.03.05 06:16:00 - [27] A Privateer whining about his pilots being shot at? Thats a laugh. Considering the niche you guys carved yourself in EVE over the years, being shot at should come as no surprise to you despite the attempts at suddenly trying to 'play nice'. Change dont come over night and given the multiple wardecs EVE Uni has suffered by you lot, I should not be surprised that your initial peace initiative met with more gunfire. I mean, who would trust a Privateer ;) :: "In hullintegrity we trust" ::
Derelyk Win Tech Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.03.05 06:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Sabre A AHAHAHAH Your a Joke Bud, "we chose not to dec the uni b/c we think they are good for eve"?? Im sure the past 4 wars with us kicking your @#* left and right didnt have anything to do with that right? You say pay 1 bil hahah. I say your a joke, we will cause that much damage to you in the first week. gl hooch i thunk eve-u needs to add diplomacy 101 to the curriculum. ... (how many times are you required to log into this site before you're actually logged in?)
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.03.05 07:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Dapanman1 I really hope you're not 'Diplomatic Staff.' Originally by: Derelyk Originally by: Sabre A AHAHAHAH Your a Joke Bud, "we chose not to dec the uni b/c we think they are good for eve"?? Im sure the past 4 wars with us kicking your @#* left and right didnt have anything to do with that right? You say pay 1 bil hahah. I say your a joke, we will cause that much damage to you in the first week. gl hooch i thunk eve-u needs to add diplomacy 101 to the curriculum. E-Uni keeps two diplomats locked under glass -- Kelduum Revaan, and Sabre A. Kelduum's case says "in case of war, break glass". Sabre's says "in case of PEACE, break glass". Hooch, you know I love ya man, but another round with the Uni? You know how the kids work, see flashy, shoot flashy. They don't know any better, it's just a pretty flashy. You guys don't have a very hot record against the Ivy Blob, why do it up again? -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2008.03.05 08:02:00 - [30] What policy change is this from Privateers? I seem to remember reading this sort of guff at least twice before. "We dont wardec Eve Uni, but we are going to this time because..." So get on with it, lose again, and have other Eve corps coming to Eve Uni aid for the laughs and giggles. Its about time Privateers Alliance was put out of its misery, its a corpse waiting to be buried. - - Happy user of CAOD troll cleaner http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584345
Red Doom Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.03.05 08:24:00 - [31] Dear Mr Hooch. Your opening post paves the road to the future. It guarantees war. Were Eve University (or any corporation in the same position) to accede to your public demands and pay the ISK you ask they would automatically become the prime target of every corporation who would seek to rattle sabers and threaten war as a means to attempt to obtain ISK from them in the future. Therefore they now cannot give you what you demand, even if they wanted to, because the repercussions of doing so would be to deeply poison their own well. As they cannot give you what you want you are now in a difficult position of your own, also because of your public stance, because if you withdraw your demand or modify it overly much your corporation will lose face and therefore be passed over for contracts in the future. Likewise to do anything else but to declare war you would risk appearing as a æstaw manÆ in the eyes of your peers both within your corp and the wider Eve community. It would seem you shot both the dove of peace and your chance at ransom before you ever set your clock running.
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.05 08:25:00 - [32] Haven't I seen this thread before? Like 3 or 4 times? --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Eskona Runningstar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.05 08:50:00 - [33] E-UNI is approaching its anniversary again, and there was a "roam low-sec" event to shoot reds and those who opened fire on us. At no point did IVY forces open fire on blues. The Privateer pilot in question was approaching two wings of our fleet with a smartbombing Typhoon and was flashy. He was in smartbomb range when he exploded, and he did attack and destroy IVY frigates with his smartbombs. The ship was purpose-fit to attack the frigates in our fleet. The last two Privateer incidents on our killboard before the current one were in April 2007 and November 2007.
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.03.05 09:58:00 - [34] The plot thickens. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Kelduum Revaan Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.05 10:53:00 - [35] Originally by: The Hooch I have spoken with the alliance leader and told him after the incidents that we would not put up with another gang bang of anymore of our pilots, and he agreed to set us to +1 just to remind his alliance of our no shoot policy. Hooch, I would suggest you check your logs. Please let me know if you require a copy of our last conversation from November 18th. After the last 'incident', where one of our training gangs engaged a target already under fire from another party and criminally flagged, I offered a NAP which was turned down, and in good faith, reset Privateers to neutral standings, making it clear we are NRDS. Admittedly, I didn't clarify that -10.0 sec status members are still valid targets under the IVY RoE, but it should be noted that the recent incident involved a pilot who was both criminally flagged and belonged to a corp which had negative standings for repeated acts of piracy previous to them joining the Privateers. I'm not aware of any '+1' standings being mentioned, and indeed no mention of them are listed on our knowledgebase or any convo logs, and it is not something we would do - we only maintain alliance standings for simplified management, and these are made public, along with our policies (please check www.eve-ivy.com ingame). Finally, it should be noted that the recent incident was in losec, and the Privateer member initiated the hostilities, which is why the second highest entry on the killmail is the Caldari Sentry gun from the gate. Admittedly a 180+ man fleet appearing in-system would make most pilots nervous, but to recap, the pilot in question was a member of a corp with negative standings and a history of attacking Eve University pilots, had a -10 security status, and initiated hostilities, rather than warping out. We still maintain an Open NAP policy (again, see our IGB site for details), and would not have a problem in setting Privateers blue. Of course, as with everyone else we retain standings with, this in no way suggests that we agree with or support any of their actions, it is simply a ceasefire agreement and function to allow our students to identify non-hostiles. Originally by: The Hooch The only way to avoid this action will be to drop 1 Billion ISK into the Privateer's wallet within 24 hours from the time of this post and that will grant you 4 weeks of peace with us and will replace ships lost due to your ill advised actions against us. Attempts to extort money in this fashion do not tend to be well received - especially when we can easily use the same amount of ISK to continue a sustained campaign against an aggressor for months. Tech 1 frigates are very cheap, and it has been a while since our last war, so there are new students to train, especially with our membership growing considerably after the recent graphical improvements and Steam release. I should point out the Navitas and the Abaddon flown by E-UNI pilots and lost to the same member corporation in two separate incidents later, and at the time, the pilot involved in the initial incident stated that he "needed the insurance" in local, so its is unlikely that the single insured Typhoon loss and its mainly T1 fittings would come to 1 billion ISK, even with the typical losec markup. Unfortunately, Its a common misconception that Eve University doesnt like war. In fact, its quite the opposite - the occasional war is very good for training students, and with our massive base of pilots learning fast with nothing to lose, combined with FCs with years of experience in command roles, its is very uncommon that we 'lose' wars, either in ISK or resource damages. On top of this, wars declared by the Privateers on Eve University have not ended well for them in the past, with us actively hunting any available war-targets in empire and out, disrupting the typical gate camps. Hooch, as always, you are free to convo me ingame later today. -- Kelduum Revaan Diplomatic Director Eve University <IVY> _____
Cephalus Gallente Epic.	Posted - 2008.03.05 11:27:00 - [36] i dont understand why anyone would pay to get eve-uni killed? 04/10 - 12:28
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 13:30:00 - [37] Heh, so many nasty comments so little time. 1. We are a corpse waiting to be buried, oddly nobody has managed it thus far. 2. I did back them into an impossible corner, that was the point. 3. We do lose against 80+ blobs, most others do as well. 4. Yes he was rigged for lowsec smart bombing... we are thugs after all, and they targeted him first so he said "oh hell" why not. They jumped in on him and had him bingo'd how else could 81 guys get a piece of the km? 5. The Mods move my story posts now so I don't bother with anymore. 6. Given the number of T2 ships they have and well skilled pilots they are less a training alliance and more of an alliance that actively recruits new players to fill the role of meat shields during times of conflict and calls it "training". 7. You would be suprised at how many people want to pay us to dec Ivy. Finally even bad press is press after, now ain't it. This is a game, I am really bored at times with Goons and BoB posts. This allows us all a nice change of pace for our forum trolling. My guys get a kick out of watching me make an ass out of myself and reminds us all to never take this ** too seriously. Hooch, grumpy old man and forum * Concord punishes people, it does not protect them**
Tormenta Noche Amarr Tormenta Noche Industries	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:28:00 - [38] Originally by: The Hooch After repeated attacks on our pilots I now have no choice but to end this "hands off" agreement. Hmmm.... Too bad Privateers don't post their losses to their own killboard to provide substance to this 'claim'. Review of the Ivy killboard shows the Typhoon loss detailed above on March 1. The next most recent entry is on November 10, some 3 months ago. The next most recent entry is April 10, the last time Ivy & Privateers were at war. 2 non-war losses in 11 months. So, Hooch, drop the pretense. Admit there were no 'repeated attacks'. You guys just can't stand Goons' Hulk griefing leading to a worse reputation for thuggery than yours. The pair you grow just might be your own. Tormenta Noche "It's all just a bad dream..."
Freddy Jnr Racketeers	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:33:00 - [39] Backing you 100% on this one Hooch. Good luck
Ventro69 Caldari Manson Family SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:48:00 - [40] I can't decide who to back. Both alliances do so much good for the EVE universe. Let's just agree, less talk, more action. Pew pew pew...
Lrrp Minmatar Gallente Mercantile Exchange Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2008.03.05 15:06:00 - [41] Originally by: The Hooch Originally by: ZenTex Edited by: ZenTex on 04/03/2008 22:59:27 Wow. Always enjoyed reading about your decs, but seriously, Eve-Uni? When I see KM's that have 81 ships on one Typhoon that tells me alot... I understand E-Uni has secret Goonswarm "advisors" teaching it's pilots
Kelduum Revaan Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.05 15:47:00 - [42] This is a bit of a shame really, as I would have rather this be settled privately. Anyway (and apologies for the length)... Regarding the blobs - what can we do when we plan a celebratory 'rampage' and end up with a 180 ship fleet in our HQ system, sitting at a planet, ready to go? We broke the fleet up as much as possible, and in fact the element of the fleet which attacked the poor lone-BS-flying-negative-10-sec-minus-5-standing-pirate was only 2 wings of the 5 we had at the time - I believe the others were taking an alternate route, but there are only so many routes to 0.0. When you have a ratio of FCs to students of about 20:1, you form a big fleet, as there isn't much of a choice. We split it up as much as possible to avoid lag, with groups taking different routes, scouting, securing systems ahead and so on, but there comes a point when you have few options, especially when the most efficient ship most members can fly is a frigate. Originally by: The Hooch I did back them into an impossible corner, that was the point. I'm looking around, but I'm not seeing any corners around here - I suspect the corner you are referring to may be a bit more local. Assuming you are referring to us, it should be quite well known by now that we do not give in to blackmail or extortion, and it just ends up bad for the those attempting it. Originally by: The Hooch We do lose against 80+ blobs, most others do as well. Well, most actually dock or run, and whine in local, but yes, the students are eager and like their pew-pew, as I believe Ponderous stated. Originally by: The Hooch Yes he was rigged for lowsec smart bombing... we are thugs after all, and they targeted him first so he said "oh hell" why not. They jumped in on him and had him bingo'd how else could 81 guys get a piece of the km? Well, I was there at the time, and he was around 250km from the gate, so it took a while for one of our interceptors to close the gap and give us somewhere to warp to. Not exactly being 'jumped on' as you described, and there were others there who didn't get on the killmail as they didn't have chance. But, out of interest, how are a group of -10 losec pirates compatible with Privateers? You are well known for empire wars, and as such tend to operate there quite a bit. Obviously you do pursue people into losec from time to time, but I wouldn't think a group who are limited to losec would be much of an asset. It should be noted that I don't have anything against Filthy Scum - they do a good job of being the evil pirate menace a few jumps from hisec, but I just don't see how they fit into the Privateers mission.
Kelduum Revaan Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.05 15:48:00 - [43] (continued...) Originally by: The Hooch Given the number of T2 ships they have and well skilled pilots they are less a training alliance and more of an alliance that actively recruits new players to fill the role of meat shields during times of conflict and calls it "training". So, what you seem to be trying to do here is claim that we don't actually teach any more, and just recruit because we can? Interesting attempt, seeing as its well known we don't recruit during wars. Anyway, as a bit of a clarification, 12 out of the 81 ships on the killmail are Tech 2. We teach the students to fly what they can afford to lose, and what they can fly well, in that order. By far the majority of flying the T2 ships are instructors and directors. Now, it may be hard to believe, but every time Eve gets some big publicity in the press, there are quite a few new people playing, having problems with the learning curve, and then apply to the Uni. About one third of the applicants never make it into the Uni for one reason or another, and the last time I checked, we has around 500 people who have pending applications. So, if we wanted meat shields, we can easily get them. On top of these, its worth noting that we typically have a few experienced players per month joining us for a while in order to teach - people bored with the 'capital fleet lagfests' and 'boring POS sieges', who want to do something different. Often they will take on the FC role during wars, and flying under the IVY RoE, they tend to have quite a bit of fun. The thing is, the students don't care of they die, they don't care if they don't get the killing blow, they just want the experience of the fight and have nothing to lose. After all, frigates are very cheap to replace for anyone who has been playing a while, and when theres a few of them together in a well-run fleet, they can be dangerously effective. Originally by: The Hooch You would be suprised at how many people want to pay us to dec Ivy. Judging by past performance against IVY, and the general hostility you seem to have collected here, maybe these groups want you to declare war to watch you fail? Personally, I always saw the Privateers as the opposite of E-UNI and held you guys in fairly high regard, even more so after the conversations I had had with your leadership - you have an interesting and somewhat unique mission, but your reputation is slipping a little now. Anyway, the Uni is transitioning to war mode, we have jump clones provided for most of the students, and replacement frigates are being constructed. Its been a while since the last (rather short) war, so the new members are getting a little bloodthirsty - I just hope that this doesn't end up dragging on, as previous war have been rather disruptive for you. -- Kelduum Revaan Diplomatic Director Eve University <IVY> _____
Minbiry Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.05 15:57:00 - [44] Originally by: Lrrp I understand E-Uni has secret Goonswarm "advisors" teaching it's pilots this is a very stiff assumption i will need logs screenshots and FRAPPSED records of this incident along with killmails to demonstrate their teaching methods thank you Minbiry, Head Diplomat Republic Military School <RMS> Minbiry, Head Diplomat Republic Military School <RMS>
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.03.05 16:14:00 - [45] This thread is pure win. Eve Uni being accused of blobbing when a -10 Flashy attempts to kill frigs in a smartbombing ship in low sec. Fer Christ's sake, what would ANYONE do if a -10 Flashy was seen in low sec? Great Job, Eve Uni! Then PrivateRears moaning about some sort of ethics violation cuz they're low-life piewrat scum and didn't get to grief someone. Pure Joy! This must be Ambrosia from the Gods - made of the whiny tears of PrivateRears. Eve Uni, I believe the reason PrivateRears has not taken contracts against you is cuz they fear your uber-leet training students. Kick their ass.
Peekaboo Iseeyou	Posted - 2008.03.05 16:27:00 - [46] Quote: The only way to avoid this action will be to drop 1 Billion isk into the Privateer's wallet within 24 hours from the time of this post and that will grant you 4 weeks of peace with us and will replace ships lost due to your ill advised actions against us. "Pay 1b Iskies or I'mmagonna sit in station and rotate for the next week again. DON'T MAKE ME DO IT!! I'm WARNING!"
BLAMMM Minmatar Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.05 17:04:00 - [47] the privateers should end their petty action again the eve university, there are much meaner enemies to be shooting than those drunken students join blue! you know it's the right thing to do! BLAMMM's Rifter has been wtfpwn'd by something bigger.
Frayen Gallente Band of the Damned Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 17:26:00 - [48] Hooch! You do this on the week I have to work 12 hour shifts? You son of a *****! Ok, don't worry. I will evemail you some decent things to say in local chat. I wont be there to smack, but atleast some of the crap I say will be. Its like sniffing your friends finger after he does your girlfriend. Its not really the same, but atleast you can imagine you were there. _____________________________
Orkasm Leet Fleet R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.03.05 17:51:00 - [49] Edited by: Orkasm on 05/03/2008 17:51:05 Originally by: Cephalus i dont understand why anyone would pay to get eve-uni killed? I would, anyone who teaches noobs to blob all over the place should be shot to little pieces! Privateers just jump a Titan in there and dd the little F*****s pease ~Ork --------------------------------------
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 18:15:00 - [50] Edited by: The Hooch on 05/03/2008 18:15:56 There should be rules against having so much fun with one post... and I have not even make the war dec yet Hooch, easily entertained old fart Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
The Jackhammer Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 18:29:00 - [51] Originally by: The Hooch .... Meat Shields .... Thank-You, The Jackhammer
Zed Class Carribean Thai Fusion	Posted - 2008.03.05 19:20:00 - [52] I LOL'd. See ya in hellz0r, Privies. \| \|_Zed Class \|__CTFU Head Diplofatguy
IRONUTRR Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 19:28:00 - [53] Edited by: IRONUTRR on 05/03/2008 19:28:58 Damn, so these guys are the reason I hate fleet battles. It's time to start up the "Just Say no to Blobs" campaign. Guess we'll have to pull out the Privateer Titan.
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.05 19:35:00 - [54] Originally by: IRONUTRR Edited by: IRONUTRR on 05/03/2008 19:28:58 Damn, so these guys are the reason I hate fleet battles. It's time to start up the "Just Say no to Blobs" campaign. Guess we'll have to pull out the Privateer Titan. Oh damn it all to hell! Here I am trying to pick a fight and you blab about us having built a real Capital fleet and all. Thanks for running yer yap, wait till I tell Vance what you just did, you are so gonna get a whoop'n Hooch, old gasbag Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.05 19:37:00 - [55] Originally by: The Mittani griefing training corps is pretty awesome i think you'll like it o/\o grats all grats all IVY vs. The Goons? The T-1 Frigate wreckage will choke the skies...
Skitza Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.06 00:48:00 - [56] Edited by: Skitza on 06/03/2008 00:50:37 Originally by: Princess Jodi This thread is pure win. Eve Uni being accused of blobbing when a -10 Flashy attempts to kill frigs in a smartbombing ship in low sec. Fer Christ's sake, what would ANYONE do if a -10 Flashy was seen in low sec? Great Job, Eve Uni! Then PrivateRears moaning about some sort of ethics violation cuz they're low-life piewrat scum and didn't get to grief someone. Pure Joy! This must be Ambrosia from the Gods - made of the whiny tears of PrivateRears. Eve Uni, I believe the reason PrivateRears has not taken contracts against you is cuz they fear your uber-leet training students. Kick their ass. 0/10 You're by far one off the worst posters
Stolen Lotus Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2008.03.06 02:21:00 - [57] Originally by: kassie kelmar "# Criminally Flagged (Red Backed Skull) IVY members may initiate combat with player-pirates who are criminally flagged, for reason including (but not limited to) theft, unprovoked attack or security status below -5.0. Note that a criminal flag for theft does not propagate further than corporation members and other IVY corporations cannot retaliate for theft from another corporation" I've heard of "Not Red Don't Shoot" and "Not Blue Shoot It", what's this? Rules of engagement longer than four words won't get much respect. And hey I'm pretty flashy when out driving the Elise but no-one shoots at me :D
D8 PREACHER Reiskokopops	Posted - 2008.03.06 04:35:00 - [58] ok own up , who was the eve uni pilot that sniffed The Pooch`s @ss and got him all up in a hissy fit ?
Caliwyrm O'Libr Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.06 05:03:00 - [59] Originally by: Eskona Runningstar The Privateer pilot in question was approaching two wings of our fleet with a smartbombing Typhoon and was flashy. He was in smartbomb range when he exploded, and he did attack and destroy IVY frigates with his smartbombs. The ship was purpose-fit to attack the frigates in our fleet. Originally by: Kelduum Revaan Well, I was there at the time, and he was around 250km from the gate, so it took a while for one of our interceptors to close the gap and give us somewhere to warp to. Not exactly being 'jumped on' as you described, and there were others there who didn't get on the killmail as they didn't have chance. Which is it? Earlier we were told that the smartbombing mean evil Privateer approached your fleet. Now you're saying that you purposely flew 250km to attack a him.. ======= Talk is cheap because supply always outweighs demand..
Kandrew Dorak Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.06 06:12:00 - [60] Whoops, that was me up there. ^^
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.06 12:41:00 - [61] Edited by: The Hooch on 06/03/2008 12:40:58 Originally by: D8 PREACHER ok own up , who was the eve uni pilot that sniffed The Pooch`s @ss and got him all up in a hissy fit ? Heya DB, nice to see you post again. I am curious about your corp now, is that like a retirement home for BoB geezers like you when they are past it? And please leave my lower naughty bits out of this thread, remember... do ask, don't tell. Hooch, lacks any moral compass Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.06 12:44:00 - [62] Reparations have not been recieved thus far, I guess I have my answer... Hooch, man of the people Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
Peekaboo Iseeyou Trollops Are Really Terrifying	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:21:00 - [63] Sh1t or get off the pot, son. If you want to dec ivy again, by all means, please do...or don't...instead of honour tanking your forum war. Either way, I'm all for watching yet another CAOD pontificating forum w***e pound his chest angrily at some corp or another, gesticulate wildly...then end up camped in station yet again. Since your own killboards totally disprove the 'months of unprovoked attacks', I'm not sure what crawled up your piehole and died. Regardless, good luck on your hojilionth attempt. I honestly mean it.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.06 18:47:00 - [64] Hey look! Sabre A! Someone go find Curzon Dax! "He fights like a woman and talks like a man." ~Cuzon Dax (A tribute to Sabre A) Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Peekaboo Iseeyou Trollops Are Really Terrifying	Posted - 2008.03.06 19:24:00 - [65] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Hey look! Sabre A! Someone go find Curzon Dax! (A tribute to Sabre A) Hardly. Sabre can't spell for p00p. And I still find it lame that p o o p is a 'bad word'. Le sigh.
Eveonlineisforbob Amarr Health and Beauty Spa	Posted - 2008.03.06 19:51:00 - [66] Originally by: The Hooch For the past 12 months I have turned down contract after contract against Eve University. I have told our corps that we have a strict no shoot policy and have taken action against people who went off the reservation and did so against stated policy. I have spoken with the alliance leader and told him after the incidents that we would not put up with another gang bang of anymore of our pilots, and he agreed to set us to +1 just to remind his alliance of our no shoot policy. After repeated attacks on our pilots I now have no choice but to end this "hands off" agreement. From this point forward we will take on contracts concerning Eve University. This first one will be on me, since it was my desire to leave them alone because I have always considered them to be a good thing for Eve as a whole. My efforts to keep them off the menu has only resulted in them throwing it back in my face and costing my pilots pods and ships. The only way to avoid this action will be to drop 1 Billion isk into the Privateer's wallet within 24 hours from the time of this post and that will grant you 4 weeks of peace with us and will replace ships lost due to your ill advised actions against us. The clock is running... Hooch, rip snort'n ****ed off is it just me or did he post this drivel 6 months ago Yes it is ;)
DarkonRhoe NET Profit Trading	Posted - 2008.03.06 20:43:00 - [67] Quick someone get Dax to make a song about uni and priv to the music of the barney theme. I dec you. You shoot me. Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Hey look! Sabre A! Someone go find Curzon Dax! "He fights like a woman and talks like a man." ~Cuzon Dax (A tribute to Sabre A) Calmarri FTW
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.06 20:58:00 - [68] Originally by: Peekaboo Iseeyou Sh1t or get off the pot, son. If you want to dec ivy again, by all means, please do...or don't...instead of honour tanking your forum war. Either way, I'm all for watching yet another CAOD pontificating forum we* pound his chest angrily at some corp or another, gesticulate wildly...then end up camped in station yet again. Since your own killboards totally disprove the 'months of unprovoked attacks', I'm not sure what crawled up your piehole and died. Regardless, good luck on your hojilionth attempt. I honestly mean it. Well, it is good to see that Ivy members are using their alts to post and obeying the policy to not post with the toon that is in the alliance... Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
Peekaboo Iseeyou Trollops Are Really Terrifying	Posted - 2008.03.06 22:41:00 - [69] Originally by: The Hooch Well, it is good to see that Ivy members are using their alts to post and obeying the policy to not post with the toon that is in the alliance... Of course you -would- think that wouldn't you, since everyone who tells you to put out or stfu must be an ivy alt, amirite? Suffice it to say, although I can say while that isn't the case, it makes no difference. I do however enjoy watching great forum warriors such as yourself rawr with beastial vigor. It gets me all happy in the pants.
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.03.06 22:45:00 - [70] The only mistake was not deccing Ivy in the first place. They're in the business to learn pvp right? Might as well teach em some lessons.
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.07 02:21:00 - [71] Quote: It gets me all happy in the pants. Yikes, now you are scaring me, I don't like you that way... Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.03.07 03:58:00 - [72] Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 07/03/2008 04:01:48 Send all bets to Atomos Darksun on who will get their asses handed to them, Privateers or Eve Uni. Privateers can outskill them, but Uni can blob. Originally by: Atomos Darksun What's the difference between an alt poster and a leech? One is a blood sucking parasite, the other is a leech.
doctorstupid2 Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.03.07 04:05:00 - [73] Originally by: kassie kelmar As the person you claim was killed came in flashy, attacked and was killed. Do you wish to review the frapps footage we have of the engagement? you bothered to fraps 81v1? MOVIES: Deadspace Deadspace 2
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.07 05:18:00 - [74] jesus christ people can't read
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.03.07 09:05:00 - [75] Originally by: The Hooch Hooch, grumpy old man and forum *** You go Sir! Whatever gives moar pew pew is good. Sadly it's filled nowadays too much with politics. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of gold"**
Alysina Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.07 09:19:00 - [76] Originally by: Kruel The only mistake was not deccing Ivy in the first place. They're in the business to learn pvp right? Might as well teach em some lessons. would be interesting... Hiding in stations class 101 Blasters and beer are the best tools for diplomacy
Sinwalker Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.07 15:44:00 - [77] Edited by: Sinwalker on 07/03/2008 15:54:56 Originally by: The Hooch Reparations have not been recieved thus far, I guess I have my answer... Hooch, man of the people Maybe you should join the Uni so you can learn how to not get stomped by them. It's been almost a week (so much for 24 hours ) and what have you done? Nothing. Nada, zip. If you don't want to get stomped by the fearsome l33t uni blob, maybe you shouldn't try to pick on corps that are many, many times your size and that know what they are doing (I'd like to see you run a corp of their size with members constantly joining/graduating). Haven't your last two attempts taught you that much? You, sir, are pathetic. The Uni are good people. They enjoy their beer as much as any other and I doubt they will have any hesitation in podding you (oh wait, I forgot you pay all that money to hide in stations). Cheers.
Slave 775 Ministry of Punishment Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.07 16:36:00 - [78] Originally by: Sinwalker Edited by: Sinwalker on 07/03/2008 15:54:56] Maybe you should join the Uni so you can learn how to not get stomped by them. It's been almost a week (so much for 24 hours ) and what have you done? Nothing. Nada, zip. If you don't want to get stomped by the fearsome l33t uni blob, maybe you shouldn't try to pick on corps that are many, many times your size and that know what they are doing (I'd like to see you run a corp of their size with members constantly joining/graduating). Haven't your last two attempts taught you that much? You, sir, are pathetic. The Uni are good people. They enjoy their beer as much as any other and I doubt they will have any hesitation in podding you (oh wait, I forgot you pay all that money to hide in stations). Cheers. HOOCH !!!!! They are doing it again !! Our food is talking to us !!! PLEASE PLEASE make it STOP i don't want to get back to therapy again. You know i need my daily dose of goon blood to stay healty.
X3k5 Amarr Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.03.07 16:41:00 - [79] Edited by: X3k5 on 07/03/2008 16:41:59 And Privateers show that they are illiterate and ignorant yet again. Did you read what he said? All the dps you can muster seems to be coming from your mouth, not from your ships. How come I dont see any war decs yet?
IRONUTRR Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.07 20:45:00 - [80] Originally by: X3k5 Edited by: X3k5 on 07/03/2008 16:41:59 And Privateers show that they are illiterate and ignorant yet again. Did you read what he said? All the dps you can muster seems to be coming from your mouth, not from your ships. How come I dont see any war decs yet? LOL that's because we're a little busy killing all the ships you keep throwing at us.
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.07 21:18:00 - [81] Quote: You, sir, are pathetic. Why thank you... Concord punishes people, it does not protect them
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.07 21:29:00 - [82] Originally by: X3k5 Edited by: X3k5 on 07/03/2008 16:41:59 And Privateers show that they are illiterate and ignorant yet again. Did you read what he said? All the dps you can muster seems to be coming from your mouth, not from your ships. How come I dont see any war decs yet? Well, to be very honest you are far more fun atm. Care to tell everyone just how many Ravens you have lost? As to when we will dec? Well with all their cubs mewing and waiting for an attack I would be a damn fool to do so right now. The 24 hour thing was something for the forum trolls to feed on and I knew it would bring results. We have had 3 corps that support Ivy already dec us at no cost to us and that is a good thing and worked out very well and after all you never attack a prepared enemy... right? I really hate fair fights, I am a firm beliver in being a dirty low down good for nothing kind of fighter were I win... always. I am very lazy that way. Hooch, all things come to those who wait Concord punishes people, it does not protect them

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