EVE Search - Convention request : EFT warrior-ing

All Channels

Ships and Modules

Convention request : EFT warrior-ing

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] 2 :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.05 13:42:00 - [1] IF any of you EFT warriors plans to post anything... a) DO NOT overload EVERY module, unless you're trying to show off volley damage or anti-alpha resists ; the nature of heat means that setup can't last long that way to begin with, so.. just don't do it, unless you give a VERY good reason why you overload any of the modules, and then SPECIFY how long it lasts before it breaks down b) whenever you quote DPS numbers of ANY kind, include optimal/tracking/falloff numbers for turrets, and explosion velo/radius plus warhead velocity for missiles, or your post WILL be rejected out of general principles c) stop over-using modules with metalevel above 5 and T2 rigs. If at all possible, don't use ANY of those to begin with... or if you do, make that a relatively CHEAP item (i.e. LP-shop stuff). Just about any NON-CAPITAL fit that sports T2 rigs or officer modules is, as people say, "FAIL". d) there's no such thing as "perma-run" for PvP fits, unless your INJECTOR can provide 100% of the needs ; there's no such thing as "perma-run" for PvE fits if you're using any injectors at all ; there's also no such thing as a "perma-run" fit for missions/complexes/whatever that sport any capacitor warfare e) NEVER forget to include any implants or gang effects used, and DO specify that you used the "all L5 skills" char, if you did That is all. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Ariel Dawn Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:08:00 - [2] There are many T2 rigs that cost between 15m-40m to build from a ME0 BPC. Some rigs like Poly IIs, ANC IIs are very expensive, but thats no reason to rule out the cheaper ones.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:09:00 - [3] Edited by: Akita T on 05/03/2008 14:10:16 Well, problem is, most of the rigs used in "fantasy fits" by EFT warriors are those expensive rigs. And the reason they're expensive it's because they're in demand, and they're in demand because they're useful. I suppose you can see where this is going Hence, the use of the terms "cheap" and "just about" in the phrasing of "paragraph c". 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:11:00 - [4] preety much QFT by the OP ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Gram Hellfire Smoking Hillbillys Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:15:00 - [5] I had a buddy who pew pew'd in a Raven with T2 cap recharge rigs. God was he ****ed when it popped.
Deadeye Devie Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:19:00 - [6] /signed if i do have to EFT to help someone, i tend to leave off rigs and try and use the cheapest for quality mods i can. i am personally aversed to using best named T1 turrets over T2 as most ppl who want a ship of that race tend to have the T2 skills and the turrets are cheaper. Also using your own characters skills to fit the ship helps you to compromise an 'optimal dream fit' in favour of attainable running fit due to cap/pg/cpu/etc. All to 5 fittings are all good and well, but TBQFH do not benefit anyone who is asking for the ship fit!!! Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themself without that law is both.
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:24:00 - [7] when i post fits or stuff from EFT i allmost allways use my skills or my alts skills only. i only use the mods that i can afford and would fit on ships myself (if i havent allready bought a ship like that :D) usually most fits i post i have tryd myself ingame so i know abit about them. i use all skills 5 character to see how much im missing in dps or tanked dps from maxed skills in that particular ship... helps me decide if its worth the effort to max the ship or weapon system skills :D ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Ima Nub	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:35:00 - [8] Obvious troll is obvious. There I said it too. I find it laughable that you're in all seriousness trying to police people in the subject of EFT like you knew more about it than anyone else out there. Like it actually matters if people use T2 rigs on their raven EFT setups. Onoes it can't be called perma-run if there's any chance at all someone has a neut fitted to their ship. lul. So please, in all consideration to us normal people who like to read these forums without having to endure this kind of abrasive rabble, stfu, and if you don't like someone's EFT post just click the back button on your browser.
Deadeye Devie Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Ima Nub Obvious troll is obvious. There I said it too. I find it laughable that you're in all seriousness trying to police people in the subject of EFT like you knew more about it than anyone else out there. Like it actually matters if people use T2 rigs on their raven EFT setups. Onoes it can't be called perma-run if there's any chance at all someone has a neut fitted to their ship. lul. So please, in all consideration to us normal people who like to read these forums without having to endure this kind of abrasive rabble, stfu, and if you don't like someone's EFT post just click the back button on your browser. .....pot, kettle???!?!?!?!? i read nothing abbrasive till this alt posted.... Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of themself without that law is both.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:38:00 - [10] I think the OP's post is more aimed at the ""xxxx" ship is overpowered cause it does mega damage in EFT. Nerf it" posters. In which case, /signed, though I doubt it'll do any good. Quote: Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Agil TradeAlt	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:39:00 - [11] Only beef I have with EFT is this People assume DPS and damage on the basis of first second of fire or first volley. They should use damage over time. If EFT designer can develop such a built in chart, it would be great! Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
Ima Nub	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Deadeye Devie Originally by: Ima Nub Obvious troll is obvious. There I said it too. I find it laughable that you're in all seriousness trying to police people in the subject of EFT like you knew more about it than anyone else out there. Like it actually matters if people use T2 rigs on their raven EFT setups. Onoes it can't be called perma-run if there's any chance at all someone has a neut fitted to their ship. lul. So please, in all consideration to us normal people who like to read these forums without having to endure this kind of abrasive rabble, stfu, and if you don't like someone's EFT post just click the back button on your browser. .....pot, kettle???!?!?!?!? i read nothing abbrasive till this alt posted.... He's telling us how to use EFT like he's laying out rules, and how our EFT setups will be "rejected" and whatnot. I find it offensive and it's exactly this kind of attitude that makes these forums so elitist and hostile (which I admit I'm contributing towards right now, sorry about that).
Msobe	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:51:00 - [13] Edited by: Msobe on 05/03/2008 14:53:58 If you don't like his "abusive" post, kindly follow your own advice, and click the back button on your browser. Obvious troll, it turns out, is DAMN obvious. Edit: The EFT monkeys do annoy me a lot. I just tend to ignore it though, since its the equivalent of a 13 year old who got into his dads girly mags and can't tell the difference between fantasy and "reality." Not that EVE is exactly real, but EFT is a simulation of a game . . . only useful if you understand its limits, and what it can really tell you.
Cailais Amarr VITOC Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:53:00 - [14] All bow before Akita T, king of the forums! Or dont bother. Up to you. C. Improved Low Sec Idea!!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Ima Nub He's telling us how to use EFT like he's laying out rules, and how our EFT setups will be "rejected" and whatnot. And that's exactly what I'm doing. Spelling out the ground rules. Rules that most people consider "common sense". But that NEED to be specified since so many IGNORE them. Then wonder why nobody takes them seriously. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Ima Nub	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Msobe If you don't like his "abusive" post, kindly follow your own advice, and click the back button on your browser. I said abrasive. Other than that, you're completely right
Terianna Eri Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:58:00 - [17] Addendum to first post: Do not overload shield boosters when you have boost amps fitted. I believe boost amps have a 100% heat damage attribute or something such that, if you overload a shield booster, you will (understandably, if you think about it) instantly blow out your amps. So please don't point to overloaded, dual-officer boost amped shield tanks. __________________________________
Msobe	Posted - 2008.03.05 15:00:00 - [18] So you did. Abusive was how I read your post - Akita came off to me as direct, not abrasive. Teach me to try and respond from memory though, wonder what I'm smoking? <laffin>
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.03.05 15:52:00 - [19] Quote: I find it offensive So follow your own advice and click the back button on your browser? That said, I tend to reject almost all "Omg this ship is overpowered look at its EFT fit" out of hand. If it's a comparison between two ships both using a similar EFT fitting that is reasonable (T2 gear, T1 rigs) then I might investigate further.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.06 15:19:00 - [20] Precisely what Ulstan said. If you're trying to "compare" two ships, or "prove" one of them is "broken" or "underpowered" or "overpowered" or whatnot, you'd better not use some broken/underpowered/overpowered module/rig/whatever to show that. It's like that "omg full Estamel Raven State Issue with full high-grade Crystal set can tank more than a dread in siege"... well, duuh ! 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Trojanman190 Yultani Advanced Research and Reproduction	Posted - 2008.03.06 15:26:00 - [21] He could just open source it so dudes like me can add the stuff we have always wanted... 1. DPS breakdown by damage type. 2. DPS at range X option. 3. DPS against target of sig size Y option. 4. DPS against target with transversal Z option. 5. Combination of all of the above. The simplest, and the one I want the most, is the first one. Would be fantastic for comparing setups against each other and would probably be extremely easy to do.
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.03.06 15:50:00 - [22] i agree with most of this bar the lines about perma running, CERTAIN ships perma run just fine, its not very common but it's certainly possible. both in PvP and PvE, IE ceptors, tanking abbadons, etc etc. but yes, in the main i compleatly agree, EFT warriors with fantasy fits **** me off. EFT warrior : but your nano ship does not perma run, mine does. me: whilst your slowboating away from gate at 2.2k i am doing 3.8k to get off gate, there for i live and you die. honestly. ------- woot a sig ------- Linkage
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Akita T there's also no such thing as a "perma-run" fit for missions/complexes/whatever that sport any capacitor warfare You know, except for passive fits, those really passive ones. Drowzy ones, almost.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Trojanman190 He could just open source it so dudes like me can add the stuff we have always wanted... 1. DPS breakdown by damage type. 2. DPS at range X option. .... The simplest, and the one I want the most, is the first one. Would be fantastic for comparing setups against each other and would probably be extremely easy to do. Well, those two are almost in plain sight there. Damage type is behind cahrge info. Damage at range X is....well, you get optimal and falloff...okay, some more automated info there would be nice.
Deux Machina	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:36:00 - [25] There are a few exceptions: - I really do put faction warp disruptors and webs on my PVP ships. - I really do fit faction armor reps, shield boosters, damage mods, weapons, webs, etc on my Mission PVE ships. They are for making money efficiently. - I do not faction fit my Ratting PVE ships (but do rig them). - I really don't rig all ships, but anything BC+ and HAC+, I definitely rig. I wouldn't T2 rig unless it was a capital - I wouldn't fit officer mods unless it was a supercap or unique ship (Fedathron). - Comedy fits As a general rule, when quoting a ship setup, use some common sense. If you wouldn't buy it, fit it, and fly it that way... you probably shouldn't post it.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:37:00 - [26] Originally by: Ima Nub Originally by: Deadeye Devie Originally by: Ima Nub Obvious troll is obvious. There I said it too. I find it laughable that you're in all seriousness trying to police people in the subject of EFT like you knew more about it than anyone else out there. Like it actually matters if people use T2 rigs on their raven EFT setups. Onoes it can't be called perma-run if there's any chance at all someone has a neut fitted to their ship. lul. So please, in all consideration to us normal people who like to read these forums without having to endure this kind of abrasive rabble, stfu, and if you don't like someone's EFT post just click the back button on your browser. .....pot, kettle???!?!?!?!? i read nothing abbrasive till this alt posted.... He's telling us how to use EFT like he's laying out rules, and how our EFT setups will be "rejected" and whatnot. I find it offensive and it's exactly this kind of attitude that makes these forums so elitist and hostile (which I admit I'm contributing towards right now, sorry about that). You can do whatever you want with EFT, but if you're going to be on the forums and talk about how different ships perform versus each other, game balance issues, or give fitting advice then you have to use some basic common sense and not give completely unrealistic numbers.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:38:00 - [27] Edited by: Akita T on 06/03/2008 16:43:41 Originally by: Qui Shon You know, except for passive fits, those really passive ones. Drowzy ones, almost. Except for those, yeah. But those aren't "omfg overpowered" There's no true asinine EFT warrior that won't be pushing complex/officer active tank modules alongside T2 CCC rigs and cap rechargers or PDUs Originally by: Deux Machina exceptions: - I really do put faction warp disruptors and webs on my PVP ships. - I really do fit faction armor reps, shield boosters, damage mods, weapons, webs, etc on my Mission PVE ships. [...] As a general rule, when quoting a ship setup, use some common sense. If you wouldn't buy it, fit it, and fly it that way... you probably shouldn't post it. Well, those help a lot, and are not that expensive for the edge they give you in combat. PvE ships, you might want to start reconsidering, there's a whole 9-page thread over in missions already about exactly that. I suppose you DON'T overload your PvE ship, for instance... and you do overload your web or MWD in PvP, or even your guns when target's about to break... if you can make good use of that extra range, speed or extra damage (you just don't do it constantly). But yeah, common sense is all that's needed, like you said, and most others here did too Originally by: Reem Fairchild You can do whatever you want with EFT, but if you're going to be on the forums and talk about how different ships perform versus each other, game balance issues, or give fitting advice then you have to use some basic common sense and not give completely unrealistic numbers. Bingo ^ 2 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:50:00 - [28] I fully agree with the OP. ------------------------------------------
Deux Machina	Posted - 2008.03.06 17:42:00 - [29] The T2 ship skills at 5 are rather rare (even disregarding the "all level 5 crap") - but some provide a "bigger" boost than others: - Logistics 5 allows for some crazy fits to actually work that simply are not even possible to attempt with Logistics 4 - Recon 5 has huge fitting implications for Recons - etc If you're going to post a fit that requires the T2 ship skill at 5 - make note of that and advise us of the performance at level 4.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.03.06 18:32:00 - [30] OP makes some fair points I think, but what do I know? EVE RELATED CONTENT

Pages: [1] 2 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.